Open 739: Epic Duel [Game Over]

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Hello. Reading now. May take a bit - multitasking atm

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Walt, why is PP town?

He's acting like there's a real chance he could lose this duel. Seems towny to me.

Anyone would act like that.

This post does not sit right with me. Why would you expect scum to act otherwise?

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Shoshin

What is your take on garm?

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and...

VOTE: RC

This should not require explanation.

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and...

VOTE: RC

This should not require explanation.

it does. Elaborate on your vote please

RC did something that should be blatantly against site rules IMHO - he took outside beef with a player and willingly scraped his win con to ensure that they would not be playing together. That is disgusting and has nothing to do with the game period.

That is toxic to the site in general.

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VOTE: FA_Q2



RC is at L-1 I guess so might as well get this ready now. I know it's not a valid vote... yet.

There is no L-1. If there was, why would you be against L-1 this shitshow now so we can get on with the game? Why continue with a slot that we KNOW is going to die and not end the day?

And what makes me scum? You failed to even mention that part? What in my whole one post or in my predecessors posts makes you scum read my slot. Particularly when you JUST passed on TW. This is simply a convenient time for you to swap your reads.

Scum lean on cage.

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Can someone give me the case on eij, There are a lot of people claiming scum there and I don't see why?

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Postie?

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?

This is why I don't bother engaging with you. Motherfucker? Seriously?

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tw my boy are you scum?

UGH YOU'RE LIKE MY STUPID PARENTD WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND ME

((

I AM THE EDGELORD NOW
RC WHO SHOULD I LOLGLADIATE

So these posts are why I started out disliking this slot -- he starts out basically directly trying to dive into RC, who he has an existing connection with. This feels like a direct appeal to meta relationships.

I'm happy to figure it out but if I have to do that myself and THEN sort you I'll be in a Bad Mood from the get go

pedit: I don't see how that translates to lolduelling them. Before they post??

Next he starts focusing on his mood rather than sorting or engaging anyone else

gut read Walt scum

feels lazy

We should lynch Nicholas Cage.

he's spelled his own name wrong and he's a wolf.

He called me a wolf at this point when I basically had no reads which basically made no sense. He seemed more interested in shading low activity slots than in sorting or solving. He also wanted to focus on irrelevant BS.

feeling both PP and RC are town so far by the way which has -- VOID OF ALL IRONY -- pushed my absolute vexation over the edge.

The main thing here is that this feels really fake to me. Weird post and not townie.

just going to be the worst for a moment

I'm maybe townreading RC a little more strongly than PP atm

This is fencesitting while he doesn't actually vote PP

and...

VOTE: RC

This should not require explanation.

I mean, did RC doom himself? Maybe--but he makes no effort to sort PP and shows no interest in that slot


SUMMARY

The Duck seemed to want to get on RC's 'good side' before going down. Then, when that didn't work, he had no qualms with leaving the game as part of a qausi-site flake. The replace out is NAI since he left so many games at once, but it certainly doesn't make him town. His other actions were much more interested in political reads and manipulating RC than in sorting. FA_Q2 has basically purely relied on appeal to anger to avoid saying really anything interesting.

Really feel like this is the way to go for this dayphase

VOTE: FA_Q2

I explained my vote (which you left out entirely) AND you waited till after TW swapped and was unable to explain himself to attack any of his content. There was no anger there either, that is all your own inference.

Your entire post is garbage.

VOTE: Cage

Why is Io scum? The TMI case is reaching IMHO. Is there another case on him?

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VOTE: BrightEyed

Naked vote is naked.

Do you have an actual reason here other than following RC?

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That was garbage.

VOTE: Shoshin

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I guess I should start putting effort now.

Irrelephant, you around? Let's discuss the game?

Not usually on weekends, but I'm here now! You?

That was garbage.

VOTE: Shoshin

lol
shoshin is ~80% likely to be town here, move your vote

That was garbage.

I agree

Who did Light Ethos replace?

Too lazy to check for yourself?
Too obvious.
VOTE: Shoshin

This is also crap
Like in what world is it scum motivated to ask a question for which the answer is in the OP? She's, what, trying to play lazy town?

Eh I actually see what you might see here, but I still think this is a bad vote

Then tell me what makes Io scum.

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Well, I would put it with me on shoshin. Claiming that we should follow up on RC's reads (as though RC has some inside information which we know to be false) but not putting a vote anywhere and then jumping on as soon as someone puts a vote up - scummy. Claiming that there is a real reason that she is voting there and then not having one at all is scummier.

Why does townshoshin lose interest like this but scum shoshin not? If the driving factor is RC, then it would be NAI.

Could always go back to NC. Still do not like that slot much - a bunch of OMGUS and then purposefully casing a player that is no longer in the game is scummy as fuck. The useless excuse of not casing because we were locked into the duel BUT placing a vote on me during that duel is scummy.

The case would have been useful at that point - the vote was not yet he claims the exact opposite.

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What is your take on NC elephant?

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Even with the replacements, I think we need to follow RC's reads. I don't like the townreads from NC on either Io (BEF) or Ejji (teh Elephant).

I like teh Elephant though...too bad not town.

So do I. Why is he not town then?

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More misrep me claiming some anger BS with my points on your supposed case. I gave specific reason that your push on me was garbage - you put up a wall going into the worst AFTER he replaced out and ignored my posts. You had ample time to engage with the worst but chose to actually do so after he left and could not add anything to the game. Your 'reason' for this is that we were locked into the shitduel. Interesting reason considering YOU VOTED FOR ME THEN. Clearly the duel had nothing to do with not casing me. This is a clear indication that you came up with the case AFTER the read to me. And finally here you are being all belligerently angry without cause - something that you claim you are scum reading ME for.


So, don't leave your replacement hanging - why would town NC do this?


Or, you know, we can just lynch this scum slot now. Back to NC.

VOTE: Nicolas Cage

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Did we really just lynch the louder player?

But if you are talking about rc and pp in a duel then I don't like your response straight off the bat. Your in Nic slot to so nothing really changed my read on it.

No, I was talking in general, not sure who I would choose between the duelers.

You were talking about nothing useful. Why do you even care who you would choose between the duelers? That situation is over. I notice how you did not bother to comment on an actual post/player/action or anything that might move the game forward.

Do you have any actual useful observations?

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VOTE: FA_Q2

For voting an empty slot. Give the new person a chance, I say.

I never understood this mentality..

If someone thinks a slot is scummy, and they place a regular vote not a lynch or something close to a lynch like L-1, then why is it scummy? The rep out doesn't clear the slate.

It's straight up opportunistic...

It's not though. Not when this mentality is widespread on the site. People will be hesitant to lynch the replacement. You have to work harder to push it through.

I don't buy that.

Good for you. Does not make your statement any less false.

Anyway, I wanted NC to respond to what I said before he left. There was only one way to do that. I did not get a response unfortunately. Creature has done nothing to change my stance on that slot and he has had the opportunity.

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D2 will bring much needed information if I am alive to share it.

Did you just seriously hard scum slip....

The FA_Q2/Creature (NC) connection.

And then you don't even try.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Creature can wait till tomorrow.

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D2 will bring much needed information if I am alive to share it.

Did you just seriously hard scum slip....

The FA_Q2/Creature (NC) connection.

And then you don't even try.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Creature can wait till tomorrow.

Why vote now? Distancing?

You clearly do not know what distancing means.

Creature is still scum. He is just not as scummy as you anymore.

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oops I didn't ISO Garmr yet
I guess the deadline is the deadline so I still have time

@BEF I wish you'd do more to sort the remaining player list. Your lynch does seem like it was fated long ago, but that doesn't mean you can't help town at all

The deadline is in 7 hours. You had better hurry.

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And I told you EXACTLY why I voted now. That horrific post.

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One down, one to go. Back here

VOTE: creature

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Shoshin kill doesn’t make sense to me.

Same here considering that she was pretty universally scum read.

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If you think it is me and creature then why not use my vote there and hang creature. You can hang me after.

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Did you slip me town?

?

I don't see how you can get that from what I stated.

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Not once did faq try to explain his town read on the slot.

Not SR a slot does not mean TR that slot.

Interesting that you just assume so though.

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sigh.

Duels are asininely scum sided. garmr you are an idiot.

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Also I would even accept a scum read while explaining with what you agreed didn't agree with. But you didn't you just pushed against the wagon with out explaining a town read or a scum read or any read.

Because he was a null slot.

Holy shit, do you have a hard read on every player right now?

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VOTE: FA_Q2
this is silly
none of these duels feel like duels

I think I remember scumreading a couple FAQ2 posts before replace in
With Shoshin and RC slipped I feel comfortable sheeping PP and BuJaber whenever they agree, so

Let me know if I need to effort this game some more

Anyone think Garmr is the lynch here?

Well, obviously I do so yes, you need to effort some more.

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@Garmr: Can you expand a bit more on why you dueled FA_Q2 instead of shoving him? Who of your town reads were you worried about dueling another town read? (Or did I misunderstand your EBWOP?)

I was meaning in case it suddenly happens like rc and pp yesterday. Also I want FAQ dealt with and if another duel took place he might be able to sink away from attention.

Also it forces players to take a stance on him and me which is good for info.

I see what you mean now. Of the two of you, I tend to think that if either of you is scum, it would be FA_Q2, and I can't see this being a distancing tactic.
@FA_Q2: Why are duels "asininely scum-sided?"
@mod: No problem! Everyone makes mistakes.

Because scum get a town kill without putting any effort into it and do not have to cover. The entire discussion is now going to be around me and garmr. And garmr just happened to pick me who is an easy mislynch here. It is also noteworthy that he never really came out and pushed me as scum - just went right into duel mode. We are not going to get any associations or any information to find scum. Why duel a player WITHOUT at least trying to push them and get them lynched FIRST. You know, when you can refine your read, possibly find out more, see reactions to the wagon. You know - actually play in a pro town manner.

Garmr is being a bull in a china shop here - he does not want to figure out my alignment - he just wants a town lynched.

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Last time town rushed it and got another townie killed. Then day 2 scum did it. Then town was like derp he must be town. Then scum shoot me for saying the guy was probably scum (i think thats why)died.

Oh look.

Nice foreshadowing garmr....

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did you scumread garmr before this?

No.

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so why are you sure he's a better lynch than you? If he's town, and you're town, and you're more easily mislynchable (and based on others' reads up to this point that's the case) you should probably be the one to go. Is there anything other than the duel that makes you think Garmr is scum?

Because I

thought

he was town - pulling that duel particularly in the shit way he did certainly seems scummy af to me - but I KNOW I am town for certain.

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Okay so why'd you townread him before now?

I did not see scum garmr getting into that shitstorm with RC.

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You mean the RC grudge duel where RC threw his win-con out the window to peruse a personal grudge on a player for outside game interaction simply to ensure they would not be able to play the game?

That duel? Boy, I wonder why I did not bring this up.

It might also have something to do with the fact I was not even here until that shitstorm was almost finished.

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I voted already I don't know why my vote didn't count.

I voted before and after the duel was initiated

VOTE: FAQ

I don't understand what your first point is FAQ.
As for the rep-in fair enough.

How so?

RC dueled a slot that had not posted a single post. He dueled because he does not like the player PP replaced into - not to play. That was admitted.

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Garmr, this game ends when one more scum dies
FAQ2 is the lynch today and nothing will be changing that imo
If you have reads for if FAQ2 flips town then please share those

hmmm, then what is the point in even posting.

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Town has 2 ways of thinking this game. First way is to find the scum out of the 5 left after faq flips scum and shoots me that's a 20% chance if you did it by random. Another way is two find two town for me since I'm going to die since faq is scum which gives me a 64% chance to win if it's a random number calculator. For the people who are town after this only have to find one town and keep them alive so that's a 80% of winning if picking at random.

I just want town to think about that after I'm gone because This game has a high chance of a town win. Now for my input.

Bujaber

This slot is town and obvious town. I could pick this slot out as town early game. Keep this slot alive and It's a win for town. Along with my early arguments it's pretty easy to see from interactions with IO that this slot is town.

Penguin power.

Also a lot IO might bus but honestly one of the first to jump on IO when they didn't have to so in all townie.

So those are my two I would keep alive For a guaranteed win.

Walt/Light ethos

I noticed IO is pretty adamant about how town Walt is. I am leaning more to buddying but never explained the read well. Walt also synced up to me earlier game so I like that. If for some reason faq 2 flips town this read reverses but I don't think it will.

Eji/Irrelphant.

Well Ejji was awful so i'm not sure if IO was bussing or not. On the other hand I like Irrelphant. Most likey town.

Nic/creature

After FAQ2 flips scum don't need to look any further. Nic was quite obvious scum there attempts at distancing were shit and

Wished BEF would be more present.

Hint hint scum buddy.

Shoshin kill doesn’t make sense to me.

She obvtowns pretty easily

Ok to scum maybe but me and pp didn't think that and the other didn't mention the slot was obvious town and I'm town. This leads into

Shoshin prob died for wanting Walt dead

If Walt was obvious town why would this make sense. I feel like you are trying to rush a frame on walt here.

So from this I can figure out something. Scum thought the lack of people willing to vote Shoshin was because town had a town read on them and not becuase Io was obvious scum and with the counter wagon if town didn't town read the slot they predicted they would read Shoshin as town after. After Creature slips up and anwsers this and after a while tries to set up and frame walt/light slot as scum for shos def despite mentioning earlier the reason.


This game is over and easy.

Io/bef, worst/faq2 and nic/creature.

If creature was so obvious and I was voting there why not duel creature - the game is over when the second scum is hit. NOT using me to go after creature would be asinine. Further, scum ARE NOT GOING TO DISTANCE here - simply not going to happen because if one is shot then they simply lose. Ergo, you didn't even approach this duel - as already pointed out - with a town mindset at all.

ele/garmr would be my pick for scum - ele does not want to solve this shootout - he is ONLY interested in finding a reason to lynch my slot. Just look at the posts after the duel started - they are not posts about sorting me and garmr, they are posts simply to justify a vote that is already a given. Further, with as much time as we have left, my lynch is a 'given.' Why, because ele will not vote his scum buddy.

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Tbh I'm tempted to just hammer FAQ2 to end this duel and then we can lynch LE

Unfortunately, you cant hammer

deadline is deadline.

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I voted already I don't know why my vote didn't count.

I voted before and after the duel was initiated

VOTE: FAQ

I don't understand what your first point is FAQ.
As for the rep-in fair enough.

How so?

RC dueled a slot that had not posted a single post. He dueled because he does not like the player PP replaced into - not to play. That was admitted.

So you're saying because we know it was personal there was no point in asking him why he didn't try to push and sort the slot instead of duelling?

I think Nic/creature is scum but if scum with FAQ doesn't really make sense for nic to vote him so many times.
And creature isn't lurking lol.

@garmr - haven't you played this setup before?

He stated exactly why he dueled the slot and then promptly gave up.

To boot, the slot HAD ZERO POSTS when he dueled it. ZERO. There was literally nothing to go on.

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Scum lose first player and creature already had some people grumbling about the slot being scummy and I am chief among them. Garmr goes on and duels me getting creature completely off the hook, fingers creature as my partner (a read that is promptly going to vanish when he finds out he is 'wrong' about my alignment) and gets him in a duel he believes he can win.

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FAQ2 if I were scum in your spot I would get more fatalistic
This I encourage you to do

And when I flip town, what are you going to say about this bullshit post?

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garmr

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Just thought it weird FAQ's point wasn't brought up earlier so I asked..but to be honest I forgot he replaced in late.

And garmr I'm trying to make sense of your duel coming from the guy who was talking so much day 1 about optimal town duelling and maximizing its potential and all that which was my main reason for townreading you. Also I tend to get paranoid about people pocketing me so I like to reevaluate townreads.

Well to be honest I feel like I have this game solved. To me duelling faq2 was the optimal thing to do. I prevent a stupid duel, I get control of the participants of the duel meaning I have more faith in my judgement over others, None of this force players to duel each other shenanigans which may backfire, It caused a reaction from creature and FAQ2 was on the lynch list anyway So the player that makes the biggest deal is obviously his scum partner or if I'm wrong about him being scum, the scum that wants to set me up as a mislynch.

So, in short, anyone that does not agree with you weather my flip is town or scum, is scum.

And the rest of town is seriously tr this bullshit. Really.

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Don't let garmr get away with this bullshit - lynch him after I flip.