Boundaries of Reality - [Game Over]

[Nosferatu]

you legit make me want to say stuff that would get me insta banned

how the fuck can you be this way unintentionally

[Nosferatu]

i even tried to use very specific language in that post, but we'll break this down again cause once again, you don't understand.

sometimes i dont know if nancy cant understand or if shes actively trying not to

What don’t you think I understand and why wouldn’t I want to?

???

well for arguments sake

ill bring up the fact that u think ur ic and actively ignore people's assertions to the contrary because it behooves u to cement ur town status regardless of alignment.

first off there's the bolded. I don't know if you've lived in an english speaking country before. I would assume so, since you don't seem to have any difficulty in airing your thoughts, or lack thereof, but this is an idiom for discussing something that may or may not be your opinion, but are bringing up for discussion. Here, I will give examples:

I know you want to go to Stanford, but just for the sake of argument, let's talk about what some of the other schools you got into have to offer.

<--- for the sake of discussion we are entertaining the thought of this person going to a school other than stanford

For the sake of argument, let’s say that prices continue to rise by 20 per cent a year.

<--- We don't know if the speaker really believe that prices will continue to rise, but we are bringing it up to discuss it

Again, for the sake of argument, let us assume that journalistic activities can be deemed a kind of aiding and abetting to so-called "terrorism.

<--- the speaker probably doesn't think that journalism counts as aiding and abetting terrorism, but we're bringing up the idea so we can talk about it.

That if we agree, for the sake of argument, that there is an ideal city to begin with.

<--- who knows if there is an ideal city, but the speaker is entertaining the idea of one.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that climatic warming or cooling is controlled by man-made carbon dioxide (CO2 ).

<--- a well supported fact, but preceded with for the sake of argument to let you know that we are only bringing this up as a talking point for discussion

Now to the next part of the quote:

sometimes i dont know if nancy cant understand or if shes actively trying not to

What don’t you think I understand and why wouldn’t I want to?

???

well for arguments sake

ill bring up the fact that u think ur ic

and actively ignore people's assertions to the contrary because it behooves u to cement ur town status regardless of alignment.

Nancy thinks nancy is an IC
There is no nosferatu in this sentence.
There have been at this point in my post literally no mention of my opinions whatsoever.
UNLESS you're going to tell me that you DON'T think you're an IC which would contradict what you literally just now said, you should have no problems up to this point.

sometimes i dont know if nancy cant understand or if shes actively trying not to

What don’t you think I understand and why wouldn’t I want to?

???

well for arguments sake ill bring up the fact that u think ur ic

and actively ignore people's assertions to the contrary

because it behooves u to cement ur town status regardless of alignment.

I brought up the IDEA that you ignore the arguments of people who don't think you're an IC and then you IMMEDIATELY ignored my "argument" when there wasn't even one at all.
this doesn't even say that I think you could not be IC, I brought up the possibility that there are other people who have stated this and that you have ignored their point. Which you have now proven correct from your response to me.

sometimes i dont know if nancy cant understand or if shes actively trying not to

What don’t you think I understand and why wouldn’t I want to?

???

well for arguments sake ill bring up the fact that u think ur ic and actively ignore people's assertions to the contrary

because it behooves u to cement ur town status regardless of alignment.

It is pro-town for other people to think that you're town so that they'll listen to your reads.
It is pro-scum for other people to think that you're town so that they'll listen to your mislynches.

these are not radical thoughts. Unless you think that as town, other town should be lynching you or as scum town should be lynching you, I don't know what your problem is here.

And now we come back to this gem:

Nos, I really DGAF whether or nit you believe I’m town or not - despite the blatantly obvious fact that all logic points to that.

You are aggressively stating that you don't care about my read on you. This would be fine, but not in this context, because I literally have not said a single word that discusses what I think your alignment is. I actually just discussed a case that would apply

regardless

of your alignment. If you don't know what regardless, it means not being affected by something, that something in this case being your alignment.

In other words your aggression here is completely unwarranted here and is either due to you not understanding, or you are grandstanding.

I am the goddamned motherdfucking IC and if this was LYLO, I wouldn’t have to waste my posts reiterating this. @Nos, or anyone in this game who hasn’t figured this out yet.

This is you, making a side remark to mock for an opinion I don't even have. Really, it makes me wonder if I should report you for conduct, but I won't because of this and literally everything I've quoted now I see that all logic clearly points to the fact that you are literally incapable of reading the words that come onto your screen and thinking about them for more than like 13 seconds past a 4th grade reading level. It's either that or you intentionally do not want to understand what other people say to you.

Oh wait this is that thing that I said before. It's almost like its so blatant to everyone but you that even your response to someone bringing it up reaffirms my point.

[Nosferatu]

And if you read that as one massive ad hom, you're beyond help, as am I, because it's hard for me to read you when I literally cannot tell if you are being genuine with most of your posts cause to me you come off as trolling about 80% of the time.

[Varsoon]

I just take em at face value, Nos.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And if you read that as one massive ad hom, you're beyond help, as am I, because it's hard for me to read you when I literally cannot tell if you are being genuine with most of your posts cause to me you come off as trolling about 80% of the time.

It is not against the rules to once again state in no uncertain terms that I am the IC.

[Varsoon]

But your role is not innocent child.
And the moderator never confirmed your alignment explicitly in-thread.
All we know is that a desperado (whose role PM isn't even fully revealed) bolded a shot at you in the thread and then died.
So

yes, it is as close to an IC as what we can get without it being an IC, but this is a closed non-normal setup, so accepting it at face value may lead to getting finessed by scum who lucked out with a very unlikely role interaction.

That said, I'd consider having that sort of role interaction to be bad setup design and I'd be fine losing a game because a mod included something that's so likely to be town-read, if that makes sense.

This is why I've accepted that you're town beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I just take em at face value, Nos.

Really, really damn close

but
Your role is not Innocent Child.

Close enough, when combined with being the obvious target N2, where there was only one scum kill, as opposed to N2, when there was 2 - which points to me very likely not dying probably due to they’re being a doc in the setup.

I have never yet been in a single game, which had both millers and godfathers in the setup.

[Varsoon]

As we discussed, though, it seems likely that scum have some protection against just getting their whole team shot to death during the day/night so that's why people are considering it as a possibility. Even something as simple as bulletproof could throw a huge wrench into things.

@Mod: How would the desperado role, as described in the Sample Role PM, interact with a role that is immune to being killed?

Once again, I do not think this is the case, as I think that false-confirmation interactions are poor design and beneath FG's pedigree.

[Varsoon]

@Nancy: Are we sure scum has two kills just because no one claimed one of them?

[Nancy Drew 39]

But your role is not innocent child.
And the moderator never confirmed your alignment explicitly in-thread.
All we know is that a desperado (whose role PM isn't even fully revealed) bolded a shot at you in the thread and then died.
So

yes, it is as close to an IC as what we can get without it being an IC, but this is a closed non-normal setup, so accepting it at face value may lead to getting finessed by scum who lucked out with a very unlikely role interaction.

That said, I'd consider having that sort of role interaction to be bad setup design and I'd be fine losing a game because a mod included something that's so likely to be town-read, if that makes sense.

This is why I've accepted that you're town beyond a reasonable doubt.

+1

What Nos isn’t getting here, that I am in total agreement with you on this.

[Varsoon]

Like it seems wild that scum would just have two kills every night and town would have kills.
Seems very swingy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy: Are we sure scum has two kills just because no one claimed one of them?

Dunn claimed 2-shot town vig, so I’m assuming there is no other vig, or they likely would have already claimed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like it seems wild that scum would just have two kills every night and town would have kills.
Seems very swingy.

It is definitely atypical for an FG setup but then so are 7 desperadoes. FG could not have forseen that town would kill 4 of them - either by vig (Dunn) or by desperado shootings.

Another interesting thing is that there are 3 mains in every single FG game and all 3 are still alive. Also, no minor characters have been revealed at SOD.

Now since Tripod seems to be MIA, even if he flips scum, it might not give us any info, because scum might be bussing under the circumstances.

If Tripod is scum, I would ideally like to have some idea on whom his partners could be.

[Varsoon]

Hm.
And you're sure that you were protected and it's not just something like scum only get an extra kill on N2 or an extra kill every time the town vig shoots or something wonky?

[Wisdom]

Maybe their extra kill is even night

[Varsoon]

Maybe their extra kill is even night

Yeah I'm worried it's likely gated in some way.

[FakeGod]

@Mod: How would the desperado role, as described in the Sample Role PM, interact with a role that is immune to being killed?

If a desperado shoots, say, a town bulletproof, then the desperado would die.

If a desperado shoots, say, a scum bulletproof, then nothing would happen.

[Varsoon]

Okay cool.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hm.
And you're sure that you were protected and it's not just something like scum only get an extra kill on N2 or an extra kill every time the town vig shoots or something wonky?

No, I have no idea. Scum could possibly have a N2 1-shot mafia vig, for all I know but why did they kill Drixx over me? He was also IC, so why is he dead and I’m not? That’s why I think there’s a doc in this setup, because since scum killed Drixx N2 for being IC, doesn’t it stand to reason that they also targeted me N1?

[Wisdom]

yeah I guess they would have killed you with their normal kill n1

[Wisdom]

if they only had a n2 extra

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maybe their extra kill is even night

Well, assuming we don’t mislynch doc and that seems highly unlikely if Tripod is the wagon and there is only 1 kill, then you’re might be right but I don’t understand why scum kills Drixx but not me. Even if there was an extra kill N2 and we don’t actually know that for a fact, so no reason to prematurely assume that, it’s still strange that I wouldn’t have been targeted N1. If there was no extra kill, then maybe scum didn’t target me and went straight for whom they assumed was doc and for some reason N2, assumed if there was a doc, they’d be on me over Drixx. Why? I have no clue.

[Wisdom]

anyway no need for speculation
We will see how many kills tomorrow and massclaim

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah I guess they would have killed you with their normal kill n1

if they only had a n2 extra

Yeah, that’s why I’m so sure they’re has to be a doc or some kind of protective in this setup but there has been 1 in every FG game, I’ve been in. Minuet had double jailkeep and Hourglass had doc. The only think highly likely, is that the protective isn’t a bodyguard.

[Nancy Drew 39]

anyway no need for speculation
We will see how many kills tomorrow and massclaim

Since I got shot D1, I’m assuming every day is my last, that’s why my vote is based on both whom I think is most likely to be scum and who is least likely to be protective. Because if we mislynch the protective, I am 100% not making it to LYLO.