Open 734: Paris Mafia (13-player variation) - Game Over
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This post is the perfect explanation of why A50 is mafia, btw.In post 379, Almost50 wrote:
Now, I know you know me as much as I know you. Do you think that was the best way you could have phrased it??In post 378, Nero Cain wrote:
umvote me or I'll join Jingle.In post 373, Almost50 wrote:Do you have any suggestions?
Andyou still haven't given me an alternative targetto vote for, so I am on you because I -at least- know you're not a Mime (bc DT replaced out while being wagoned).This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it.In post 378, Nero Cain wrote:
umvote me or I'll join Jingle.In post 373, Almost50 wrote:Do you have any suggestions?
Just think of how much more towncred you'll get when you join mebeforeI explain myself.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Okay, I can't remember and it isn't made explicit in this game's OP, so I'll ask here.
@mod: Do Mimes endgame town if both mafia and the vig die? If not, what is the resolution?
Town would win in that case.Last edited by Kmd4390 on Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:26 pm, edited 2 times in total.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Aye.In post 385, Almost50 wrote:
And you have an explanation too!! SWEET!In post 384, Jingle wrote:Just think of how much more towncred you'll get when you join me before I explain myself.
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A50, btw, is scum because he's a setup speccy player who is actively spouting plans that are only viable for town if scum plays along. Town doesn't expect scum to act in it's best interest. Further, A50 isn't looking for scum, he's looking for mimes despite being one of the most active players. Looking for mimes is a waste of time D1 for all but 3 players. The two mafiates and the vig. The vig, of these three wants to search for mimes without making such obvious. A50 on the other hand is very very clearly only threatening the less important scum faction. The faction we can defeat literally 100% of the time in this setup.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Setup spec with Jingle time!In post 395, Almost50 wrote:@Jingle: Mimes are the "less important" faction of the two? Tell me more. Also, tell the crowd something they don't know already, because I already said I was explicitly hunting for Mimes on D1.
First of all, the mimes, like in actual Paris, are a distraction. Their faction literally cannot win with an intelligent playerlist. (Whoops, broke the setup. Sorry!)
If we lynch one mime, we then stop lynching and rely on Vig v Mafia. Annoying as this setup is, it's much better EV than risking an entire game loss on a single mislynch.
Now, as for the threat that mimes would present had I not just invalidated their wincondition (Don't worry, I intend to fix that with a hotfix suggestion to the mod so that we can still play an enjoyable game) it is lesser than that of mafia. Mimes cannot kill, but can roleblock. Mafia can kill. That means mafia has more opportunity to trim the accuracy of town's reads. Further, Mafia actively want to Mimehunt while Mimes don't give a shit about Mafia hunting. This means that there are more voices to be heard looking at who not to lynch than who to lynch.
Mimes, additionally, have the hamper that once their wincondition is a real threat (one of them has been lynched) we can mine that player's ISO for hints as to the other mime. It's not quite the same skillset as associative tells with a flipped mafia player, but similar enough that we will be working from a position of increased information BEFORE there is an opportunity for them to win.
Further, there are players in this game that if town will just be shot by the mafia at some point because of their reputation and scumhunting ability. (Thor, me, GL) Remember, mafia doesn't know those players aren't town, so if any of us is a mime a win is virtually impossible to pull off anyway.
tl;dr Mimes winning is A. Not even possible given the playstate we have right now and B. Incredibly unlikely even without me cracking the setup.
@mod: I would like to suggest you append the rules to disallow no lynching, on the basis that it becomes a breaking town strategy that invalidates the wincondition of an entire faction and kills the fun of the setup. You could do so by simply lynching a random player if there is no wagon at EoD and instituting plurality lynching otherwise. If you are uncomfortable making such a large change to the setup mid game, I would suggest that you take a poll of the players by PM so as not to contaminate the game with this discussion. I would bet that the players themselves would be more than happy to agree to this change, small though it may be.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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I am the Hero that Arkham deserves.In post 361, lane0168 wrote:Thank god for true hero's like jingle
The super funny bit is: This post is going to be used to justify a scumread on me in 3... 2... 1...In post 367, Almost50 wrote:Here's for hoping this is a Town slot though (otherwise, we're in deep deep trouble).
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Reading this again this morning, I see that it has a different connotation than intended. I don't mean to imply that you're a sex crazed brainless creation of a mad scientist, only that your name is Rocky and thus you should have a picture of Rocky. I apologize for any unintended insultIn post 402, Jingle wrote:I was gonna post the deadline after rocky, but the mod beat me to it. Instead I’m just going to point out that Rocky himself would make a better avatar for that account.
If I decide you're a sex crazed brainless creation of a mad scientist and I determine that to be the case later, I will outright tell you, not hide it in clever wordplay. I do kind of wish the clever wordplay had been intentional though, because that is the kind of snark I can appreciate.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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I could find my way onto a Lane wagon or an Eragon wagon at this point, but neither had any steam when I subbed in and we're kinda at deadline. If you build it I will come though.In post 403, Thor665 wrote:
It is not strange that people want ot lynch scum over Lane and I never said anything of the sort - what I did say was that Lane perfectly matches a large number of cases people are pushing, yet I'm the only one looking at him and *that* is suspect (which it is). Want to debate my actual statements instead of a straw man?In post 359, Nero Cain wrote:Is is strange that ppl want to lynch scum over Lane? Also, you seem content sitting on a not scum wagon so your whine that we aren't lynching Lane seems odd.
You haven't done mch to convince me you're not a scum slot - your predecessor was scummy and this has been very lacksidasical Nero play thus far. Are you claiming I should have a town read on your slot for some reason? Why?
I like the idea of progressing the game, but the A50 run is pretty weak.In post 389, Jingle wrote:Thor, my wagon has just as much steam as yours, a loud mouthed asshole who actually cares about pushing it through, and managed to destroy two vanity wagons. Can I interest you in the sweet smell of actually progressing the game?
Do you actually townread Nero and/or Lane right now? If so - why?
I do think Nero is likely town, although it's a weak read at best. 1st, his jump to A50 reads as a genuine scumread. 2nd, his reads progression about a50 matches up with mine fairly nicely. 3rd, the posts in which he does content (particularly 299) feel like they're actually going somewhere. Regardless, I think that my A50 wagon is clearly superior to your Nero wagon.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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:thorface:In post 411, Almost50 wrote:
And the Mafia shoot the Vig and then they decide the outcome of the game. Great idea. Next.In post 398, Jingle wrote:If we lynch one mime, we then stop lynching and rely on Vig v Mafia. Annoying as this setup is, it's much better EV than risking an entire game loss on a single mislynch.
Mafia has the ability to both discover and kill the vig and discover and not kill the mime in this scenario, both reliably. If discovering the mime is that easy, then we are in no risk of lynching them. If discovering the vig is that easy then the watcher sits on the vig, and provides hard guilties that cannot be mimes. (Hard guilties that, you know, we can still lynch.) If we hit one mafia before the mime, they can't afford shooting likely vigs, because a single watcher guilty ends the game for them.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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A. Wrong. This is about the scenario of "After we lynch one Mime." Mimes literally don't matter until that point, because they can't win until we lynch TWO mimes.
B. Wronger. Your premise is that the mafia will be able to determine the identities of both of our power roles and the remaining mime. If they accidentally hit the mime, Mimes can't win and we have vig and lynch again. If the vig accidentally hits a mime, we have vig and lynch again. If the watcher gets a result on the mime, we have vig and lynch again. In none of these scenarios does the vig actually have to out. Therefore, No Lynching (after hitting one mime) is giving scum the advantage if and only if both scum are still alive AND scum have better PR reads than our PRs have scum reads. The remaining mime will be aiming to roleblock both scum and vig equally because they only care who is likely to shoot them.
C. Wrongest. This game is balanced with the thought that town will be distracted by the presence of mimes and unable to scumhunt effectively. The trick to defeating that is to ignore the mimes and look for players who are likely to be scum. Mimes only matter if we lynch one.
Which leads us back to the point. Mimes are a distraction until they have already achieved half of their wincondition. Then, we can literally invalidate their wincondition without throwing the game if they become the larger threat. Therefore, focusing on Mimes is scummy as fuck.
In hindsight, I was wrong that their wincon is fully invalidated (if scum manage to find both PRs and shoot them before mimes exit the game we have to begin lynching again, which means they CAN win, although it remains incredibly unlikely.) It's just so unlikely that it really doesn't matter.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Point. I'll stop engaging in setup spec for now. I do tend to let it bog me down.In post 420, RockyHorror wrote:This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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First. Yes. I did see that post. It's a scum post.In post 462, Almost50 wrote:Jingle has not only shown awareness of this, but has explained why the Mafia shooting an outed Vig was a bad idea (I maintain I would totally sacrifice myself in exchange of both TPRs if I was Mafia and my p was still alive though), and while being aware of the mechanics isn't scummy in itself it's the way he explained it to the masses that makes me iffy. I mean, WHY draw the Mafia's attention to it even if there was as little as a 5% chance of them not realizing it already? I mean, it could be argued that Jingle was talking precisely of the Vig, but saying it like that even the least competitive Mafioso would realize it applies to any "known" target of theirs.
Second, selective meta.
The game A50 knows me from we were both scum. And I made it very clear to him in that game that my scum strategy is to argue correct play.
As far as why I drew the attention to them targeting the town's choice of Night Kill target being a terrible idea (Which, yes, I did), it was because of one thing. A 5% chance of catching incompetent scum is not worth a 95% chance of not being able to use our PRs effectively. Aiming the watcher (and to a lesser extent, the vig) is a terrible idea, because publicly aiming a watcher means scum know exactly who not to shoot and the mimes know exactly who not to roleblock.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Oh, btw, this is incorrect. It would be more accurate to say that because he is hearing hoofbeats and thinking horse and I'm hearing hoofbeats and thinking horse that we're based in more or less the same cultural and geological setting.In post 467, Thor665 wrote:So basically the town read is mostly predicated on the value of your A50 read?
That's a silly stance.
His thoughts mirror mine, therefore his intentions likely also mirror mine. Mine are from a town perspective, therefore his are likely to be from a town perspective. And yeah, it is admittedly fairly weak.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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I disagree. If someone has the same reasons as me for thinking something when I haven't made those reasons well known, it stands to reason that they are more likely to be approaching the problem from the same angle. The inverse tell is infinitely more valuable (Someone agreeing with you for made up or insane reasons is a pretty good indication that they are in fact not the same alignment as you, and rather that your original read is simply convenient to them), but weak evidence is better than no evidence in a vacuum.
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In post 462, Almost50 wrote: There was also this little gambit I had set (albeit it being of a small chance of succeeding) which is assigning the Mafia target. It was in hopes the Mafia duo are both inexperienced or not paying enough attention and would somehow forget about the Watcher when they think of the NK. The Watcher would have automatically been on the Mafia target to catch one Mafioso if that's the case.
Ftr, I still think the potential beauty of 443 is worth keeping you around for a day. But wow.In post 478, Almost50 wrote:
Except I didn't aim the Watcher? In fact I deliberately "forgot" to make a mention of them at all! For all practical purposes an inexperienced/inattentive Watcher would have missed this "option" far more likely than the Mafia would have missed the existence of a Watcher!In post 463, Jingle wrote:Aiming the watcher (and to a lesser extent, the vig) is a terrible idea, because publicly aiming a watcher means scum know exactly who not to shoot and the mimes know exactly who not to roleblock.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Ah, project pinecone. The game where I replaced into a town slot in a PoE-able game because Pine asked me to, refused to actually read the thread (not only the part before I subbed in, but the play of people after I subbed in) and buddied the serial killer until he shot all of the scum before lynching him on balance arguments. A shining example of how I generally approach games.
As far as knowing about how I think, I've waxed poetic about it in many of my games, including the postgames where I had no real reason to lie. Probably the best way to get into my head so to speak is to read one of the Newbie's I've played, because I go out of my way to educate people on my ideas about how to play mafia in said games or to look at one of the games I reviewed. If anyone wants links, I keep them around, but my standard scumplay is to literally forget who my partners are and setup spec in the most protown manner I possibly can. And what's more important is that you know that firsthand.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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In post 482, Almost50 wrote:In post 480, Jingle wrote:In post 462, Almost50 wrote: There was also this little gambit I had set (albeit it being of a small chance of succeeding) which is assigning the Mafia target. It was in hopes the Mafia duo are both inexperienced or not paying enough attention and would somehow forget about the Watcher when they think of the NK. TheWatcher would have automatically been on the Mafia targetto catch one Mafioso if that's the case.
Ftr, I still think the potential beauty of 443 is worth keeping you around for a day. But wow.In post 478, Almost50 wrote:
ExceptIn post 463, Jingle wrote:Aiming the watcher (and to a lesser extent, the vig) is a terrible idea, because publicly aiming a watcher means scum know exactly who not to shoot and the mimes know exactly who not to roleblock.I didn't aim the Watcher? In fact I deliberately "forgot" to make a mention of them at all! For all practical purposes an inexperienced/inattentive Watcher would have missed this "option" far more likely than the Mafia would have missed the existence of a Watcher!This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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As much as I despise this train of thought and argument, look at the effort Lane is putting into defending himself.In post 493, Almost50 wrote:
I had them linked together as early as the top of page 2:In post 484, Fink wrote:
Your reads are equally strong? I thought your mimeread on Lane was just based on interactions with Sesq. If that's true, that ought to be a weaker read since we don't have a Sesq flip.In post 483, Almost50 wrote:So, my vote now decides which of the MIMES is the counter wagon to mine!
For all practical purposes it's all the same to me since I believe them both to be Mimes, so I'll wait for one more vote on either to decide where my vote should be.
I was "more to it" on page 8:In post 26, Almost50 wrote:Sesq is good scumm but she hasn't yet done anything scummy (well, a far fetched idea is that she is scum with lane and they're distancing already).
So, I think I had a "semi-conviction" that the two are of the same alignment way before I decided Sesq was a Mime because of the way she fought (or rather didn't) against her wagon. They're like "interchangeable". If X is Mime then Y is Mime where X is either and Y is the other in no particular preference.In post 186, Almost50 wrote:Anyway, having thought it over..IFlane flips Mime, Sesq would be his likely p. I don't trust their cross voting of each other and I could see that as coming from a Mime team (obviously to get half the job done) or from a Scum team (merely distancing).
This reads more like "Scum caught for the wrong reasons" flailing than "Oh yeah, I WANT to be lynched but need to disguise that". The frustration is real. Funny, but real. Therefore, Lane is probably not a mime. So vote him.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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In post 495, Almost50 wrote:Like, if I'm the Vig and either of them flips Mime I'm definitely shooting the other. I'm probably gonna get blocked for this declaration though.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Nope, but you're damn close.
I'm saying that you scumreading me for 'suboptimal setup spec' is just as bullshit as townreading me for 'optimal setup spec'. Which is why, had you expressed a scumread on me when I queued it up for you, I would have immediately dropped the line of questioning and assumed you were town. The fact that you didn't showed more concern for how you were seen than what you were seeing, and is why I'm still pretty sure on you being scum.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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I had a sudden and aggressive urge to make a meme alt named ONLY Thor and ask kmd to replace this slot with that player. I'm not going to, because I have too many alts as it is, but I felt like sharing.In post 504, lane0168 wrote:
YES! thank you for paying attentionIn post 500, Almost50 wrote:
I don't see it. All I see him doing is arguing with Thor and ONLY Thor.In post 496, Jingle wrote:look at the effort Lane is putting into defending himself.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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I mean... If we want claims at all they should be PR/Not PR and done at L-1. Doing them at L-2 is playing around mimes, which... There aren't words.
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There's a very good chance that both the mafia and the mime were on A50 last night, in which case the information is mostly useless to us today anyway. Hypoclaiming there gives us the option of maybe getting another night of useful results out of the watcher without outing them before they can lead us directly to the lynch. Town players in this case would ideally be roughly split between 1 result on A50, didn't target A50, and 2 results on A50. The actual watcher can choose to hypoclaim early to allow others to double up on his claim, wait until later to see if someone guesses his results correctly, etc, which means scum wouldn't be particularly likely to guess who is right. On the other other hand, mime might be able to guess who the watcher is from this information, but they can neither aim for the watcher (two KPN hurts them WAY too much) nor communicate this to the scum (Scum want to kill the mime too).
On the other hand, if the watcher outs results now, vig has a pool of 2 people to shoot from, meaning we either hit mime tonight (Yay, we're playing a game with a vig vs. 2 scum, one of which is guiltied!) or we hit mafia (Yay! Mime is a known quantity and thus can't be lynched!)
I'm leaning hypoclaim myself, because regardless of claims we should be no lynching today and this leaves more room for Watcher survival without giving us the opportunity of Watcher dying to an accurate scumshot/inaccurate vigshot without giving us information.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Sorry, didn't realize you were VT crumbing until superlate. 443 was super nice though.In post 537, Almost50 wrote:In post 531, Kmd4390 wrote:Almost50 was killed Night 1. He was avanilla townie
Sesq was also killed Night 1. She was aVanilla townie
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Deadline is Wednesday, September 12 at 5:30pm EST.Almost50doesitagain!This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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BTW, in case anyone cares this was about the spoilered dead thread of a game that just ended AFAICT (I was the backup mod, it was Mastina's Lynch the Wolves Large). Unless A50 has access to one of the game review threads I stick my head into and I don't know about it. No we couldn't talk about it at the time (non public information about the other game, etc) but since the game is over now you all can go and look if you care.In post 481, Almost50 wrote:@Jingle: while you replaced in after I was NK'd in Pine's "Project Pinecone" I was still following that game until it ended. There's also a 3rd thread we share where I can see your posts and thus can get a feel about your thoughts from your arguments. It's not a "game thread" but I sill am not sure if being more specific is still breaking the rules, so I'll stop at this.
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No.In post 559, GuiltyLion wrote:but if Vig just openly claims I don't think that's bad for town
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Okay, so there's three scenarios to consider if the vig claims.
1: Mafia kills vig. Mime RB's vig. Congrats, we're now at a 50% chance of instant loss because eventually we have to choose to lynch the mime or the mafia.
2: Mafia kills vig. Mime doesn't RB vig. Congrats, we're now a vanilla town against a mafia and a mime, meaning we HAVE to lynch to have a shot at winning and the mime is a legitimate threat.
3. Mafia doesn't kill vig. The watcher can't find mafia and is functionally a VT.
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Yeah, but posting No. Is literally the least letters I have to type to convey the message: "This is an objectively terrible idea and the vig shouldn't claim until I have a chance to explain why."In post 564, GuiltyLion wrote:Jingle no one elected you town leader
vig being deduced with no guaranteed watch protect is pretty clearly worst case scenario, objectively. vig claiming with watcher protect is far better. so you can disagree with the utility of a vig claim but nothing I said is wrong at allThis is a Parachute.- Jingle
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4. We're now in 2v7 mountainous which is ridiculously scumsided.In post 566, Eragon wrote:4. mime rb's vig and we find the mime.
5. mafia and mime dont do anything and vigi can shoot
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Nope. Both will say they're mafia. Because neither of them wants us to lynch the other. It's literally a 50/50 lose.In post 568, Eragon wrote:and what you forget is that mafia doesnt want mimes to win either so,
if 1 happens, and we catch both, mafia will probably out and hope their partner can win, to make sure the mime doesnt.
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Vig has a 2/9 shot of hitting mafia, a 1/9 shot of hitting mime, and a 1/9 shot of hitting watcher.In post 567, GuiltyLion wrote:the mime is now literally always a legitimate threat in this game specifically because you all lynched lane - we're absolutely not just no lynching until endgame. I want the hands of town's win chances in consensus and information driven by votes/wagons, not one town killing power. and you're completely ignoring advantage of a vig claim w/ watcher protect is a conftown. and 50% of instant loss is also 50% of instant win if we lynch the other mafia first
Mafia have a 1/8 shot of hitting vig, a 1/8 shot of hitting watcher and a 1/8 shot of hitting mime.
Lynch has a 2/8 shot of hitting mafia, a 1/8 shot of literally losing the game outright, and a 4/10 shot of outing town power. Which we need. To deal with the mime.
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We do still have to come to a consensus over the three possibilities Watcher wise.
Watcher outs if they have useful information.
Watcher hypoclaim.
Watcher holds cards close to chest regardless and we pray for mafia to miss.
I oppose option three, personally and endorse option 2, but it is theoretically a valid course of action. Very high risk, possibly very high reward. If we commit to one of the courses, everyone needs to agree to abide by it.
Otherwise, we should no lynch until mime or vig dies. Watcher outs guilties on mafia immediately after tonight, because tonight is the only night where there is likely to be such an obvious vig/scum split on the kill. Watcher outs guilties on mime if the vig dies. Boring game, but it should go fast considering there's little to talk about during the day and KMD supports ending nights early with unanimous agreement. Also, I'd like to request that scum plan their choices of kills and RBs during the day so we can have as short a nightphase as possible, just for the sake of town player's sanities.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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If we go with my plan, mafia won't be mime shooting, they'll be watcher shooting. The hilarious thing though is that mime/PR/mafia all play to be bad nightkills, so telling the difference between them is notoriously hard, increasing the chance that mafia accidentally kill the mime.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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The possibility of a double visit. If mafia and mime both visited A50 then the intelligence isn't really actionable today. Hypoclaim then serves exactly the same purpose as your pseudolynch target bit. For town/mime it's a chance to help aim the vig at the player(s) they believe to be mafia. For watcher, it's a chance to out the information without necessarily dying.In post 593, Thor665 wrote:The theory benefit of choosing option 2 over option 1 is that, if Mafia kill the Watcher we still get info if they have useful info.
The reality negative of option 2 over option 1 is it increases the ability of the Mafia to locate the Watcher regardless of the Watcher having useful info.
Wouldn't that make #1 the better option hands down? The only benefit requires the info to be useful to begin with, yeah?
What am I missing.
In hindsight, yeah, a single result on A50 is probably just immediately out, because trading the watcher for one of the scum is great for us.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Watcher isn't here to get innos; that's not what watchers do. Watcher is here to find mime/mafia.In post 597, RockyHorror wrote:I don't like hypoing right now. It gives way too much information to mafia for pretty little reward as an inno at this point only confirms someone as not being a mime.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Yes. Also, he was away at a scummeet for a large portion of the day. Doesn't make him town, but activity is expected to be low from Ari regardless of alignment.In post 605, RockyHorror wrote:Looking off the wagon, I honestly forgot Aristophanes was in the game until now - is it normal for him to do nothing in a game like this?
Also, @Thor: A50's softclaim means only a terrible vig shoots him N1, because PR softclaim. On the other hand, both mafia and mime had good reason to suspect he was a high threat slot (PR softclaim). Also scum were almost certainly shooting for a watcher because a watcher is the biggest threat to them as me and A50 discussed yesterday.
Sesq on the other hand was suspected as both mafia and mime and had already claimed VT. He was literally the perfect vig shot.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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The problem is that there’s no incentive for people who don’t have strong reads to join wagons since they’re largely meaningless so you’re really only going to get input from people with strong reads at the moment.
I’m intentionally posting very little, on the other hand, despite being around to avoid calling attention to any pr tells I see.
If needs must I can share a little though. I doubt GL is scum for two reasons: 1. Scum gl has a partner to discuss with last night, meaning he knows there’s a good chance he is aware that no lynch is at least a possibility. He came into the thread assuming a lynch was the plan, but seemingly hadn’t read my arguments. Fakeable, but my gut says genuine. He DOES have a a lot of mime potential, given that what he was arguing was literally their best chance at winning, but the suddenness in dropping it seemed pretty town to me.
Thor, you and me had the worst interactions with the lane wagon. I think that means mime #2 is probably one of you two or voting sesq at EOD. Possibly a sheep vote onto sesq because mime doesn’t have to worry about lynching mime.
Era gin gives me the feeling that he’s sleeping, which normally makes me think scum but probably means not mime.
I want to lynch ari exactly as much as I did in grey flag, which means he’s probably town. I would still follow a compelling case there though.
And, I think no lynching and seeing what flips earlier than later while we’re all still somewhat invested in this game is high utility.This is a Parachute. - Jingle
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