Mini Normal 2035 : Duck Mafia Part 1 : GAME OVER

[Tchill13]

As for not mentioning FA. I played a game with wilky not too long ago where he lurked as scum.

The only point for controlling carca's shot was for ppl to take stances on the subject. Then to see who was mentioned. Obviously I wasn't too self aware, I was more focused on other's answeres than my own in particular.

[Tchill13]

For me not to vote Dave.

Someone will have to explain why scum would try and shoot flavor even though a protective said he would block them. That's the only way Dave can be town here. Which would mean that either Dave didn't protect flavor or that flavor did visit scum.

Both scenarios are highly unlikely imo due to the fact that play is not in Scums best interest.

There's obviously a scenario where Dave is scum and claims that he did protect boon but boon visited scum. The issue with this is boons last crumb. Boon WOULD NOT be so transparent with his last night action knowing he'll probably die that night phase. So obviously scum would push Scum!una here, which won't work now. At least for me.

Scum should have killed Dave last night. It makes the most sense. Not only is it a sure fire kill, but you have the possibility of 2 townies dying due to boon visiting scum. The only reason scum don't shoot Dave here is that if Dave is scum. Then they would try to do the above scenario.

The only issue with scum Dave I can think of is that we had 2 players fake claim protective this game. Both of which wouldn't be true.

[Tchill13]

Novice vig, consecutive night watcher, weak visitor...

Should that get a protective also?

Because if Dave is scum he's probably a loud Rolecop.

[Completly Trustworthy]

I have a question Tchill, would you consider a town with a loud 2-shot doctor, novice vig, vengeful townie, nonconsecutive watcher, and weak visitor to be more powerful than normal? Is so, would that warrant the scum having two power roles?

[UnaBombaH]

Because if Dave is scum he's probably a loud Rolecop.

Then tell me two things - who else has dave targeted? No one has claimed a loud visit before Boon did.
Are you saying a scum!rolecop holstered N1? For what reason? It still wouldn't explain how scum found out Gamma was a PR.

[UnaBombaH]

If dave is a scum!loud-ANYTHING, I do not see why he would visit Boon to put himself in the spotlight.
ESPECIALLY IF he is a scum!loud-ANYTHING, WHY WOULD THE SCUM KILL BOON TONIGHT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FACT DAVE CAN'T SAVE BOON??

I'm thinking dave is just town!Doc, and I'm guessing he is now out of shots.
I'm thinking that we had only one kill because Boon targeted scum...
OR
I'm thinking scum tried to shoot Boon even though dave was supposed to save him again, because they thought dave might actually be out of shots.. or scum has a Strongman..or something.

[UnaBombaH]

Scum intentionally not killing doesn't make a lot of sense, but if you think about the end-result for just this one kill, this is the one that gives us the least information and leads to most WIFOM.

1)
Assume scum had killed dave.
Assume Boon dies as well.
We now KNOW that Boon targeted scum last night -> we get a guilty and dave as a WIFOM-target is gone.
We would be at LyLo, yes, but I'd say we would be better off. (since interpreting Boons hint correctly leads to scum and we don't have to be paranoid about dave)

2)
Assume scum had killed dave.
Assume Boon gets an inno.
We now KNOW that Boons result is reliable because a scum!RB has already flipped.
We have a townblock of Boon+Inno+Una.
Try to win that as scum.

3)
Assume scum tries to kill Boon / manages to kill Boon through a save.
and/or
Assume Boon dies because he visits scum.
We can't be sure what actually happened. (hence the and/or)
We have no townblock. We do not know who Boon possibly cleared/guiltied (I'm split 1/3 like said earlier)
dave is a suspect because he didn't die but his claimed save-target did.
Try to win this as town..

[Tchill13]

Because if Dave is scum he's probably a loud Rolecop.

Then tell me two things - who else has dave targeted? No one has claimed a loud visit before Boon did.
Are you saying a scum!rolecop holstered N1? For what reason? It still wouldn't explain how scum found out Gamma was a PR.

Then this should be simple. If Dave targeted you last night please claim that he did.

If nobody claims they were targeted. That means Dave targeted boon... Which means scum shot boon and boon only died because he visited someone.

And if you're asking me to believe that scum shot boon instead of shooting Dave. I'm not gonna believe that. Plain and simple. That's not in Scums best interest.

And if you're still hung up on me being scum. That means you think the RB just so happened to hit boon on the same night boon visited me. Then boon visited me again last night phase and scum just so happened to either holster their shot or to shoot boon anyways.

[Tchill13]

Look. You're asking me to believe this is the most competent scum team I've ever played against if you want me to think they didn't try to kill someone last night. I'm not going to believe that.

Dave is scum. Scum killed boon. Boon visited a townie. I'd bet all my mafia experience that that's what you're gonna see post game.

[Tchill13]

You're making this too complicated.

If scum no killed they deserve to win. Bravo. End of story.

They didn't no kill. They killed boon. Dave is scum. Nonny is town.

Fa/dave/reundo. Boon already pointed this out.

[Tchill13]

Scum on this site are atrocious. I hardly see scum thinking through multiple day phases here. So you're asking me to think scum thought THOSE scenarios out? Lol. Good joke.

[Tchill13]

The only reason there's no town block is because you're using a sliver of a possibility to believe I'm scum because you usually read me correctly. I understood I've given you reason to SR me but this game is more aligned with me not caring than me being scum. So stop with the conf bias.

[Tchill13]

This is actually pissing me off.

Dave isn't stupid enough to not protect boon in that scenario.

It's in boons best interest to clear someone he believes is town versus someone he believes is scum. So for him to visit someone he believes is scum is almost a non-existent possibility imo.

This means scum more than likely killed him.

This means Dave isn't town. Because if Dave was town he would be the correct kill. If Dave wasn't killed it's means boon shouldn't be killed.

This means Dave is scum.

[Tchill13]

And in what world do you not immediately CC a false protective claim if you actually are the protective? Dave didn't want any attention. That's why because he's not actually a doctor.

A doc for a scum is a win in towns book.

If Dave is scum, cc's. Then he knows he will get lynched after CT flips town. That's why Dave didn't say shit.

[UnaBombaH]

So how do you explain CT then?
I do not see a version where CT is actually town.

Maybe I'm just feeling paranoid because Boon wanted me to be able to read his clues..

[Tchill13]

If Dave is town here at the VERY LEAST he should have consistently, aggressively pushed CT if he didn't want to outright CC. I don't think Dave ever did that.

[UnaBombaH]

I don't fking know.

[UnaBombaH]

But didn't Boon agree dave is likely a doc before the night?

[UnaBombaH]

Also: why didn't dave just protect Boon again, and kill someone else then?
I still do not see WHY kill Boon if dave is scum.

[Tchill13]

You explain CT like you do half of town here on this sight.

Just competent enough to do dumb shit they think they're good enough to get away with. He put up FA for vengekill when he could have disagreed. That was FA still could have been saved at that point.

CT has consistently tried to solve. Setup spec has been decent. Maybe he's a good player. That fake claim lines up with "I'm good enough to do my own thing" which I've come to expect from any decent player here.

[Tchill13]

Also: why didn't dave just protect Boon again, and kill someone else then?
I still do not see WHY kill Boon if dave is scum.

Why wouldn't you kill Dave? If literally any other player is a mislynch candidate? You get rid of a claimed PR. You hope boon kills himself. That's the correct play there.

[Tchill13]

But didn't Boon agree dave is likely a doc before the night?

Boon got paranoid that if he was wrong town would blame him for the loss. That's understandable paranoia imo.

[Completly Trustworthy]

I reason I suspect this is a scum trap is because I know I am town and Flavor Leaf was town, so the only reason for them to not have killed either of us is because they wanted to frame the claimed PR's. I outlined a scenario earlier where the scumteam roleblocked Flavor Leaf night 2 and then killed someone widely townread for the sake of getting either me or Flavor Leaf lynched. Since I have reason to believe the scumteam deliberately let claimed power roles live for the WIFOM before, I think there's a possibility its happening again now.

[nonny]

In regards to 852 853 wouldn’t the balance be effects by all these “2 shot” “non consecutive” and whatever else limitations?

[Tchill13]

Boon was like Sherlock that last day phase. There was no reason to see anyone else as a real threat. You kill boon. Every,damn, time if you're Dave and you're scum.

Look at all the mislynch candidates left after you kill boon. After you kill Dave? There good reason to kill both those "claimed prs" as scum. If they're both town that is.