Mini Normal 2035 : Duck Mafia Part 1 : GAME OVER

[davesaz]

Which of Flavor or me was more dangerous to scum in a mylo/lylo -- hint, it's not me.
Who was most dangerous to scum in the whole game? I'd say Flavor without question.
I protected the player scum was most likely to try to kill. They don't ever kill me in that situation because

I'm perennial lynchbait

. Tchill in particular

knows

this.
Whether it's a no-kill + visit on scum or a kill+protect+visit on scum, it's still a visit on scum no matter what.

Re: CT -- false dichotomy alert: I'm scum if my stance doesn't change, I'm scum if my stance changes under pressure. Missing 3rd option: my stance changes because I'm town and that's what town does.

Pedit: Una, are you suggesting that we have another role that's undeclared? Don't see how a kill attempt could have gone somewhere else unless there was another role available to stop it. And Flavor still would have had to visit scum right?

[UnaBombaH]

Who was most dangerous to scum in the whole game? I'd say Flavor without question.

Yes to this.

They don't ever kill me in that situation because I'm perennial lynchbait. Tchill in particular knows this.

THIS EXACTLY makes my spine crawl.
Chill should see the WIFOM-aspect of all this, but somehow he just skates over it.

Whether it's a no-kill + visit on scum or a kill+protect+visit on scum, it's still a visit on scum no matter what.

This was my point as well. Although, assuming you could be scum, you would have to say this anyway.

Una, are you suggesting that we have another role that's undeclared?

Absolutely not. Although if anyone feels like claiming a role, please go ahead! I'm all ears.
And then all hands..tying a noose..for the claimer.

Don't see how a kill attempt could have gone somewhere else unless there was another role available to stop it.

My hypothesis was that scum did try to kill Boon, in the hopes that you had A) fakeclaimed your 2-shot B) already used both of your shots. Or they have a strongman or something similar.
Still doesn't change the fact that Boon likely targeted scum last night.

[UnaBombaH]

I think scum here, any scum team here, would have killed Dave. It's a sure fire kill correct? Not only that but

if scum were to purposely kill boon it validates his night action.

I think your perspective is a bit flawed here. (the bolded)

Let's assume scum know where Boon is targeting.
Like, for certain KNOW where he is targeting.
If it's a visit on scum, they kill someone else (likely dave) to make it a LyLo, OR leave dave alive for the WIFOM of why he's not dead. (MyLo)
They win with just one mislynch on either scenario, so it doesn't matter from their perspective.
The only trusted town and the best "detective" is dead too.
All they need to do, is to make sure there isn't a one sure-fire way to read Boons "riddle" (I bet there really wasn't), and then just ARGUE ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION IF ANYONE SAYS BOON VISITED ONE OF THEM.

We really could be living through this scenario here.

If it's a visit on town, they want to kill that townie to give 0 actual confirmations AND they can still kill Boon the night after since dave will be out of shots. (we obviously know this didn't happen, but this was the alternative IF scum knew who Boon was about to target.)

[UnaBombaH]

So you see, dave not being dead doesn't mean anything IF scum had a hunch or guess on who Boon was about to visit. (and it was going to be one of them)
I also feel quite certain Boon didn't want to make a "safe" visit.
Simply because we finally landed a scumlynch D3, AND that lynch was a Roleblocker, making it sure that his death would be a result of a visit towards scum.
I'm back to scanning Boons ISO to try and maybe find something more solid.

[UnaBombaH]

Meanwhile, I'm feeling sketchy because Chill is pushing this angle so heavily because "Boons word is golden"..
You all want to know what were some of Boons last written thoughts before the night phase? (and yet Chill didn't even bring this up)

I'm willing to give my life into Boons hands for today, but I'm a bit worried he has given a pass to some players too soon..
One of Chill/CT is scum, I can still feel it in my bones.

+

Yeah, I’m starting to feel that way. Don’t put it all in my hands, haha.

Boon agreed that one of CT/Chill was likely still scum.

[UnaBombaH]

Wait, how did I miss this?????

Chill towards the end of last day phase:

This is ridiculous. I'll be damned if someone who fake claimed an even night doctor AND NEVER GOT NK'D gets me lynched.

You've gotten a pass from others but that's scummy has hell man. You're just flinging shit at me to see if it'll stick at this point.

+

This FA lynch is moving along too quickly imo.

VOTE: completely trustworthy

[UnaBombaH]

...that all was followed by Boon agreeing with me on one of Chill/CT being scum..how the fck did I sleep on that??

[UnaBombaH]

We have at least 2 ppl going into conspiracy theory mode atm. Yall enjoy that and call me back when you're being sensible.

And stuff like this is just AtE now that I read it with a clear mind.

@Chill - you really did your all to play me this day phase?

[The Mighty Ducks]

vote count 4.03

nonny

(0) :

UnaBombaH

(0):

davesaz

(0) :

Completly Trustworthy

(0) :

Reundo

(0) :

Tchill13

(0) :

not voting:

nonny, UnaBombaH, davesaz, Reundo, Tchill13, Completly Trustworthy

with 6 duckies alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

day three will end with no lynch in (expired on 2018-10-27 10:30:00)

mod notes:
- quack

[UnaBombaH]

UNA, which players am I supposed to believe are so good as scum that they thought of the idea of not killing this night phase? And why should I believe they were good enough to come up with that?

..and now that I'm re-reading these..I think this was actually you just taunting me?
Wtf man..

Una won't be able to provide me with reason when it comes to believing there is a competent scum team and it's gonna be rough depending on CT being town to win this game.

And this is you trying to turn CT and nonny to back you up?

Yeah. If he's competent enough to know setup spec and guess one right, he thinks he's good enough to fake claim in towns best interest.

Doesn't that make sense to you una? I mean no spite. It's just a common thing here at MS where players tend to be more selfish than they should when they actually know a thing or two about how to play.

I'm still thinking that your earlier "analysis" on scum!CT was better.
But since you need him to vote with/for you now, you can't keep calling him scum anymore.

[Tchill13]

Yall better not do anything tonight until I get home.

If.you bozos don't lynch Dave here you'll never hear the end of it from me.

[UnaBombaH]

SWEEPING DECLARATION TIME:

To anyone not named Chill - I'm starting to feel certain that Chill is scum.

He more than likely has been the whole game ( ) and this was the first time ever where I wasn't able to read him correctly. (I'm not sure if he admits it here, but I had a flawless record on reading him correctly when he's scum)
I think his play was to originally create associations with CT because of the assumption that I was going to sniff him out -> CT gets lynched after.
Then it turned into an act of just trying to push for CT's lynch once MyLo was rolling around and CT had already made that fakeclaim and the following redaction.
Today Chill has been pushing for dave+reundo and CT is now lock!town..
And most importantly -

I FEEL CERTAIN NOW THAT BOON VISITED CHILL LAST NIGHT.

Why?
1) He wanted to double-check him.
There was a ton of speculation about a roleblocker, and after such a role was flipped, he had no reason not to make sure.

2) His second to last post implied that he was starting to lean scum on CT/Chill as well again.

3) I finally found the thing I absolutely should have found during the night.

If I die anyways, it’s confirmed there is a roleblocker and Tchill can’t necessarily be considered town.

THIS BLATANTLY TELLS IT TO US.
He was going to visit Chill no matter what.

Let's not make any hasty votes yet, but I want everyone to start thinking who fits alongside assumed FA+Chill.

@Chill - if you want to convince me otherwise, you are going to need something other than AtE at this point.

[Tchill13]

I just rage typed a paragraph at una but that's not gonna get anything done.

I'm not asking you to say certain scenarios don't exist. I'm asking you to wonder which scenario is most likely una.

Do you really think Dave is town after, only voting the mislynches, no CC'ing the doc claim, not dying last night even though boon died...

[Tchill13]

Towns gonna lose because of unas ego and the fact he thinks he'll never read me wrong.

[Tchill13]

This isn't my scum game it's my I don't care game.

[UnaBombaH]

Towns gonna lose because of unas ego and the fact he thinks he'll never read me wrong.

..and this is AtE again.
Also, I just admitted that I read you wrong this game.
Kudos for your scumgame in fact!

Also also, you should already know that I really don't have much of an ego.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm not asking you to say certain scenarios don't exist. I'm asking you to wonder which scenario is most likely una.

Well, to be fair, that is EXACTLY what I finally decided to go back to doing!
I had a hunch that you/CT had at least one scum between the two of you, but I gave up on it for a moment because of what Boon said.
You also ALMOST had me played today - I already felt like giving up on trying to solve this game myself, and was just going to sheep you for better or for worse.

Good thing I decided to take a plunge one more time.

[Tchill13]

Why would boon check someone who he thinks is scum last night phase?

Make the case for town Dave this game.

Tell me why this is scum me. You know my scum game. Point to a game where I was this unactive the entire time.

[Tchill13]

I'm what world do I play FA going down like I did as his scum partner?

[Completly Trustworthy]

Tchill, are you very active as town too? I looked at mini normal 2021 and you had over 500 posts despite dying on day 2. If you aren't really playing like you normally would, why should previous meta be considered?

[UnaBombaH]

I'm what world do I play FA going down like I did as his scum partner?

In the world where you had already decided to play the game like this:

Dave is still in the game right?

Who would agree with the fact there's at least one scum in

Dave, fa, nonny. What's stopping that from being the team?

And the thing is, Boon sort of agreed with you actually:

Conclusion:
I’m pretty certain that the scum team is FA, Dave, and Reundo. Full stop.

Boom, right?

Replace Nonny for Dave, I guess in my thing.

I understand that and loud is kinda bleh right there for scum.

No, wait? This is something you just happened to miss, right?
But maybe Boon left it a bit open there then?

Shit, that was a very good page. Don’t wholly disagree with anything when laid out that way. I’m still more confidant in Dave though so will keep vote there for now.

Which also explains this post. Picks the townie of the three that i proposed.

Yeah, that fits nicely.

Nonny, Reundo, FA.

I’m going FA first.

[Tchill13]

You said you had no ego then continue to talk about your flawless record of me.

You almost give up on the game, then you reread and determine I'm scum because you don't have a good reason to believe anything as factual.

My agenda of associating myself with one player just so he's lynched after me is bad. I never play to get lynched.

[UnaBombaH]

Why would boon check someone who he thinks is scum last night phase?

Because we finally nailed scum last day.
And, you know...

@Unah - how many games have we played together recently? 7-8 games This Year, I’d say?

You should know I like to play risky....

..just something Boon yet again said.

[Tchill13]

Tchill, are you very active as town too? I looked at mini normal 2021 and you had over 500 posts despite dying on day 2. If you aren't really playing like you normally would, why should previous meta be considered?

I'm usually active as both alignments.

If you want to throw meta out the window then so be it. I understand the process. I'm just trying to get through to una.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm going to bed now, but I'll return to this tomorrow at some point.
I want to especially hear from dave, nonny, CT at this point, because if I'm on the right track their opinions matter the most to me now.