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Post Post #8110 (isolation #200) » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:16 pm

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Cool, only need to watch one semi.

Pretty shitty that fnc won despite being outplayed for 4 straight games.
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Post Post #8112 (isolation #201) » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:27 am

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Not at the results tho. Salt is that Riot ruined league.

Canada Cup and Mid90s next weekend so worlds is over.
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Post Post #8113 (isolation #202) » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:34 am

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It's really unfortunate that western fans are so win starved that they'd watch this garbage and like it, tbh.
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Post Post #8115 (isolation #203) » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:34 am

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It sucks. I don't have to be "confidence starved" to vent my frustration that something I enjoy is no longer enjoyable.

Also, I've yet to be presented a reasonable argument that is against what I'm saying. No reason why they enjoy the meta. Nothing other than insults, "salt", and Go (western team). You want to know why? Cause you guys know it sucks and want to bask in it anyway. And that's frustrating. Cause you guys would rather have an unwatchable product and your team win then the watchable product we've had for 7 and half years and lose. That's just sad.
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Post Post #8118 (isolation #204) » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:02 am

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Both of those are significantly better than this cause there were decisions and counter play.

Ardent was arguably the best meta there ever was.
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Post Post #8124 (isolation #205) » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:43 am

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Dude, I get playing to win. I understand. This isn't enjoyable to watch and I'm baffled as to why anyone thinks that it is, and despite everyone else being in agreement no one will offer a reason as to why: so a) you don't know what's going on or b) you don't genuinely enjoy it and only enjoy the result.

Why is it the best? Variety is a bullshit answer because there actually is no variety when every game bakes down to the same exact 26 minute baron play, every series besides kt-ig as basically been deja vu.
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Post Post #8135 (isolation #206) » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:54 am

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Post Post #8138 (isolation #207) » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:03 am

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In post 8136, BROseidon wrote:Panzer u already lost. At best China (not Korea) will win worlds.
I bet on China and have consistently maintained that the east is better, including in the post you said was "aging poorly". The east as in China and Korea.

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Post Post #8139 (isolation #208) » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:03 am

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Post Post #8140 (isolation #209) » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:05 am

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But hey, make sure you post to tell me who won between EU and NA so I know who to troll, cause I'm not watching it.
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Post Post #8154 (isolation #210) » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:07 pm

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NA suck =(
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Post Post #8159 (isolation #211) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:08 am

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Booo. MAGA.

Make ADCs Great Again.
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Post Post #8162 (isolation #212) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:37 am

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except what they are typically being replace with are ranged ap champions and ap damages turrets on AAs, so it's a false choice. Especially when the ap guy is occasionally a better tower taker (heimer, Ziggs) or a better objective taker(Swain,brand). Changing ads was one of the worst changes they ever made to the game.

(also the trade off is already being made by making ADCs less tanky and less damage in the early phases of the game, which is why the mages were dominating down there when the changes were first made. If you're gonna nerf all of their items at least make them not explode).
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Post Post #8169 (isolation #213) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:19 pm

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Tanks are definitely not very good in solo, and that is definitely a bummer. Most of them are fairly low tier.

@bro, it's not 1-1 but they get ad and ap damage. And most of the viable bot lane mages all crush turrets by either being exceptions and/or building sheen so outside of the top tier tower smashers like Jinx or Trist, it's pretty similar. Tristan is one of the lowest win rate solo q Champs in the game so that's a trade off, and jinx has no escape.
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Post Post #8172 (isolation #214) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:37 am

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The fact that there aren't 2 or more means they are significantly undertuned. They are a primary part of league of legends. Bruisers are significantly over tuned because there are like 3 or more in every game.
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Post Post #8173 (isolation #215) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:38 am

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Playing without an ADC should be akin to playing without a jungler.

As someone that both watched and played league during the "Awesome Dude" meta, it was awful and we're still getting the shorty remnants of that.

The full Awesome Dude meta was literally so bad that a starting member of a world final team sat out for 3 quarters of a split because of it.
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Post Post #8177 (isolation #216) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:10 am

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Bruiser and Fighter are the same thing.

Solo laners are just one thing. They only have to learn 3 classes max and not every guy learns each classes.

Junglers only run two classes.

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Why is it okay for support to only be one thing, but not ADC? Not only is it okay, they nerf everything that *isn't* a support to force that pigeon hole. Just because you have an issue with the people who play the role doesn't mean it isn't an important part of the game. Not only that, but the ADC nerf also negatively effected the champion variety of support. Because they nerfed a lot of the scaling items AND the support items to protect and give the ADC more stats, you can basically only play like 4 supports that all play basically the same way. Over the 84 games of Play-ins, only 5 supports played 5 or more games(more than 4% of total games): Ali, TK, Rakan, BRaum, Thresh.

In the entire "Main Event", the only other guys who got significant play rate are Leona(because of Alistair Bans) and Gragas(because of really dumb coaching)
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Post Post #8185 (isolation #217) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:28 am

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I already disputed the "champion diversity point" in an edit. The supports basically fall into 2 categories, disengage tank or engage tank, due to the ADC changes.

There are 5 played top laners right now. 3 bruisers and Sion/Ornn(with Viktor picking up steam late with a measly 5 plays because of some Korean solo q shenanigans).

Mid legitimately has 4 classes(but that's more a testament to Irelia being busted).

Junglers right now are bruisers and Taliyah.

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You simply want to see the world burn because you don't like ADC players.
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Post Post #8186 (isolation #218) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:31 am

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You need to play bruisers everywhere because they are your early and mid game damage because ADCs take forever to ramp up. And unless you play 2 tanks and a scaling mage, you have to run 3 bruisers and an engage support. In my opinion, it's stale and it's all because ADC is too weak. They didn't need to rework all the items right after they basically dusted every support item. Edit: beside zekes
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Post Post #8187 (isolation #219) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:35 am

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And if you're speaking historically, every mage beside Morgana 6 years ago has been nerfed out of support(Annie, Lux, Brand, Vel Koz, Malzahar) and the meta has always been dominated by either the squishy supports or the tank supports. So why is it okay for Support to be a monolith but not ADC? Especially when the state of ADC has a larger impact on the game as a whole AND from a marketing stand point, losing 3 of the most bankable star pros for medium to large portions of a split is poor decision making.

It's like if you start calling traveling on LeBron. The game is worse. Do it. Let LeBron travel.
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Post Post #8190 (isolation #220) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:32 am

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Saying supports are learning two classes then you should acknowledge that somethign like ashe and something like MF or Corki are different classes.
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Post Post #8193 (isolation #221) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:07 am

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Build paths and play styles are completely different between MF/Luc and Ashe/Cait and you're blinded by your bias if you think otherwise.

And every support buys the same items and as basically always done so.
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Post Post #8194 (isolation #222) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:10 am

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ADCs might have the highest Item diversity and power spike diversity in the game. Everyone else basically builds the same shit as everyone in their class and are strong around the same time, with kit and numbers being the only deciding factor on who is played.
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Post Post #8197 (isolation #223) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:22 am

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large disagree, you're crazy. probably play the game more than once every two years,
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Post Post #8200 (isolation #224) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:27 am

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almost definitely not true
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Post Post #8201 (isolation #225) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:27 am

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ojn both counts
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Post Post #8204 (isolation #226) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:32 am

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12% in S3.

started end of s1
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Post Post #8205 (isolation #227) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:33 am

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which is irrelevent cause you know next to 0 about the game as currently played
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Post Post #8208 (isolation #228) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:34 am

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there's nothing to say because ou don't know ashe or mf.

it's literally the same diff as janna and leona
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Post Post #8212 (isolation #229) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:45 am

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If you think being hyper aggressive in lane and pressing lethality advantage vs farming and playing defensive/kiting for 3 items the same play pattern, then Janna and Leona are basically the same champion.

Plus MF has the AoE bomb/dark harvest situation.
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Post Post #8217 (isolation #230) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:20 am

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MF has more in common with Brand as a champion than she does with Ashe.
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Post Post #8228 (isolation #231) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:22 pm

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But in those Poke focused, siege metas, the ADCs that are exceptional tower takers weren't even the main component. Season 2 and 3 had a lot of that poke comp shit and it was mostly focused around Nidalee, ezreal, caitlyn, lux, ziggs and Jayce.

Outside of basically
just the ardent meta
(best meta tho), the game as never really been focused on zoning a tower and blowing it down with Tristana/Jinx etc.

Tl;Dr bro is talking out of his ass per usual.
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Post Post #8231 (isolation #232) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:58 am

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Yeah, exactly one of those is a traditional adc. So AS A CLASS, in a siege meta, you see more mage and fighters than traditional, shoot stuff carries. And the counter was heavy engage tanks and assassins to corral the squishy long range guys and take them down.

I get that you hate ad carry, but try not to be a dipshit.

Make ADC Great Again. Make league watchable again.
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Post Post #8236 (isolation #233) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:14 am

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In post 8232, BROseidon wrote:Uh you still saw 2 ADCs every game no matter what?
it's cause ability based character scale better on levels dude. y u think lucian and corki were solo laners for a while? Only reason lucian is back is cause all the non-ability based ADCs now are fucking awful beside the the on hit dudes. Cause AD items are trash. Like, being made about ADCs is like being mad about the 1 position in DotA. But hey man, keep being mad.
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Post Post #8240 (isolation #234) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:34 pm

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Post Post #8241 (isolation #235) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:39 pm

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In post 8062, BROseidon wrote:
In post 8029, PJ. wrote:Sorry, I'm here for the blue bloods. Play-ins were fun, but it's time for all the western teams to go home. Brackets are for Korea and China. I hope Flash Wolves and Fntic are the two non-korea, non-china teams.
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Post Post #8243 (isolation #236) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:33 am

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How? Eastern teams better was the goal post, always. Since you made that post to bust my balls, the east is undefeated.

And there was 1 good series in this entire tournament, and a western team wasn't in it. This worlds will be remembered as being garbage aside from the classic between ig-kt. "Best worlds meta" ohohohoho.

As the kids say, gg ez.
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Post Post #8245 (isolation #237) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:03 am

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Lol.

Yeah, Rookie has been good for a while, he's consistently outplayed Scout the last two years, and was better than xiye in gauntlet last year. He played xiaoyu about even in lpl finals. The issue last year was that West was no good at all and Ning hadn't fully arrived yet. If anyone thought Rookie was the problem, they weren't watching. The reason no one talked about him is because *most* people don't watch until worlds(and when they do watch it's only LCS) and then they read the "best players at worlds stuff" and just think everyone not on the list sucks. That's just the way it is. How many people do you think know how good Yagao and Loken are and how they potentially could of taken IG out of worlds all together if a 50/50 baron went the other way? 2 of the best players in the world in Tarzan and Viper didn't make world's due to a *really* bad game 5 draft against Gen G, who came to world 3 weeks later and stunk it up. Dotesports had an article up today title "5 reasons why IG can upset FNC tonight" when IG was the betting favorite last night. People don't pay attention and the media covering esports is either 2nd rate or produced riot as advertisement.

Edit: Also a big reason that EDG made worlds last year and IG didn't is because iBoy is like 4 months older than JackeyLove
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Post Post #8246 (isolation #238) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:06 am

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Like, how many people do you think know without looking it up that Rookie despite being Split MVP didn't have the most mvp performance points? 1st was doinb
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Post Post #8248 (isolation #239) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:57 am

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It's real funny how quit it got now that the west proved they were garbage even in a meta that favored them. Goodbye people who only watch once a year. See you next year.
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Post Post #8251 (isolation #240) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:20 am

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Maybe that's why the western teams should of just lost early instead of blowing their load in quarters just to get swept. Maybe the series would of at least been close.
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Post Post #8262 (isolation #241) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:47 pm

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Don't have to know how much damage people do if you don't get hit with it because you're not forced into face checking.
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Post Post #8275 (isolation #242) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:38 pm

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I just assumed he was fantasy booking.

I've been fantasy booking for 2 months with sleep trying to will Flame to optic
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Post Post #8288 (isolation #243) » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:05 pm

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I too have read reddit.
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