how good is vonflare at laser tag [game over]

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:19 am

In post 1991, Chara wrote:
In post 1986, Dunnstral wrote:Um yeah ok, I think it's likely scum come into today with the intention of trying to get my lynch going

Toranaga supposedly knew MariaR was town yesterday, then upon her flip says to look at me again, though I was town to him yesterday - what?
Invisibility comes into today pushing me as well

Cobbler I can't tell, him asking me for my read of Chikadee feels like a leading question, I think she's more likely town than not btw,
i'll actually ISO this later but Tora if you could answer this now?

i just finished a newbie with Cobbler and though i haven't seen them as scum, i can now say that the beat of his play looks as town as it was in that game. granted i was scum so bias?

Admittedly that's making it harder for me to read you, but your play this game does feel different. Granted, you're not ICing this game and it's a large so it's already gonna be different. Right now, I think I'll put you on the townie-list.

Chara · Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:27 am

different how? obviously yes different because this isn't a newbie, but still.

also actually agree with 1967 in a vacuum because i don't know how to read NM right now. problem being i don't have a good scumread that i'm not second-guess anyway.
Toranaga, are you going to be around at all?

think i'm going to call it at Lavos/Cobbler/elephant for actually good townreads. still looking for feedback if anybody has it but also they're just. probably town.

Chara · Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:28 am

oh uh. meaning the part of 1967 Dunnstral called dumb, because it was a reply to that.

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:43 am

Votecount 1.10
5 players voting for Alchemist21 (

RadiantCowbells

, Irrelephant11, Invisibility,

Gamma Emerald

, vonflare/lavos)
2 players voting for Majiffy (

MariaR

, Alchemist21)
1 player voting for Maruchan/not_mafia (chamber/toranaga)
1 player voting for Gamma Emerald (Pure Sadness/Cobblerfone)
1 player voting for horrordude0215 (

PenguinPower

)
1 player voting for RadiantCowbells (Maruchan/not_mafia)

5 players not voting (Majiffy, horrordude0215/Chara, Dunnstral, Chickadee)

with 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

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VC 1.21

4 players voting for Chickadee (chamber/toranaga,

PenguinPower,

Irrelephant11, Alisae/cobblerfone, Not_Mafia)
3 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Majiffy,

Titus

, Chickadee)
2 players voting for Majiffy (

MariaR, Gamma Emerald

)
2 players voting for Alchemist21 (Invisibility, Lavos)
1 player voting for Alisae (Alchemist21)

2 players not voting (Dunnstral, Chara)

with 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-10-04 14:30:00)

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Final Day 1 VC

8 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Majiffy,

Titus

, Chickadee, Toranaga, Irrelephant11,

PenguinPower,

Invisibility, Dunnstral)
2 players voting for Chickadee (Cobblerfone, Not_Mafia)
2 players voting for Majiffy (

MariaR, Gamma Emerald

)
1 player voting for Alchemist21 (Lavos)
1 player voting for Cobblerfone (Alchemist21)

1 player not voting (Chara)

with 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

-------
VC 2.4

5 players voting for Dunnstral

(MariaR,

Invisibility, Chara, Lavos, Not_Mafia)
3 players voting for Chickadee (

Titus

, Alchemist21, Irrelephant11)
2 players voting for Alchemist21 (Chickadee, Toranaga)
1 player voting for MariaR (Dunnstral)

2 players not voting (Majiffy, Cobblerfone)

with 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

-----

Final Day 2 VC

7 players voting for Titus (Irrelephant11, Chara, Chickadee, Invisibility, Not_Mafia, Alchemist21, Toranaga)
2 players voting for Not_Mafia (Majiffy, Cobblerfone)
2 players voting for Dunnstral (

MariaR

, Lavos)
1 player voting for Chickadee (

Titus

)
1 player voting for MariaR (Dunnstral)

0 players not voting

with 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

-----

I think the safest lynch is probably not_mafia. With the exception of gamma emerald's, he's been a late-comer to every major wagon since he replaced in. If he's mafia, I'm pretty sure that means Chikadee and Dunnstral are town as well.

I want to know why the alchemist wagon died down. Is it because "the first wagon is never scum"? But usually "town on town"?

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:49 am

In post 2001, Chara wrote:different how? obviously yes different because this isn't a newbie, but still.

also actually agree with 1967 in a vacuum because i don't know how to read NM right now. problem being i don't have a good scumread that i'm not second-guess anyway.
Toranaga, are you going to be around at all?

think i'm going to call it at Lavos/Cobbler/elephant for actually good townreads. still looking for feedback if anybody has it but also they're just. probably town.

Your questions don't sound as fake. But then again that may have been me projecting the "trying to be a good IC/example by coming up with questions and trying extra hard persona" onto you. Though it also isn't day one today.

Chara · Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:51 am

i'll be back later. would the town i'm not townreading please do things so i can townread you.

pedit: NM could absolutely be scum, the issue is town NM could also play like this and i don't want to lose for something like that.
honestly though he's more likely scum than not. i'd just feel better about it if i had a few more strong townreads.

not sure why Alch died down because i don't remember who besides Invis were pushing for it. i know others were though.

peditx2: thanks. i'd like to IC again and hopefully do a less terrible job. though i don't actually know how i did because i was too busy being disappointed with my scum performance.

Chara · Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:56 am

Majiffy
Toranaga
Not_Mafia
Alchemist21

Invisibility/Dunnstral

invis and dunn i'm townreading the most out of this PoE. remember Majiffy defending Alch earlier but i haven't looked in context yet.

Majiffy · Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:06 am

In post 1989, Cobblerfone wrote: @Majiffy: what's up with Titus?

Idk, what's up with Titus?

Chickadee · Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:45 am

Titus dead. That's what's up.

Sorry I'm being trolly. I've lost a lot of interest here.

Chara · Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:53 am

blah.

Chara · Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:58 am

would scum be more likely to be hanging back because they think we're off track? or is this just town disinterest. i mean i'm feeling it too but i also have a lot of time.
the game's still going, i still want to win it. the first scum flip would give some momentum again.
tell me what you think of my list.

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:25 am

In post 2010, Chara wrote:would scum be more likely to be hanging back because they think we're off track? or is this just town disinterest.

honestly it's hard to not feel like it's already a loss
I'll be here today, though, and will have time to re-read.
@cobbler the alchemist wagon died because RC, it's champion, left it.
Also are you familiar at all with NM's meta?

I wish Tora would post like at all

Chara · Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:54 am

it's not a loss. there's 6 town and 5 scum. i'm town, you're town, we just need to hit one of them.
would also like to see thoughts from you on my PoE/townlist. :>

Majiffy · Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:57 am

In post 2008, Chickadee wrote:Titus dead. That's what's up.

Sorry I'm being trolly. I've lost a lot of interest here.

U2 huh

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeahhhh!

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:02 am

ISO'd Tora and I'm still strongly leaning scum there. I don't buy that he doesn't care and is oblivious to the rules, I think he's actually just uninterested in solving the game because he replaced in to a scumslot. I would say more but, like, there isn't more.

ISO'd Chickadee and her reads never seem to mean anything to her. Like they disappear whenever it's convienent. I'm not sure I'll be able to find a 100% correct town team but these are my two strongest scumreads right now.

Aaaaand I have to go afk

Chickadee · Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:15 am

How many people did you ISO?

How do you feel about Jiffy accepting my town read of him so easily D1?

Chara · Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:17 am

Chick can you tell me about your Jiffy scumread? part of why i backed off on him was because of your townread there when i started townreading you. i think the other reason was not being that confident with the lack of support for the read.

Chara · Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:19 am

when you're back elephant: i agree on Tor, from what i know he prefers town but if someone could confirm or deny that i'd appreciate it.
Chick i'd need to look at because i think she's felt towny. need to remember why i discounted Chick/Majiffy team.

Chara · Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:22 am

i can't remember and i'm on mobile. trying to find where it was but whatever.
do remember that i found Majiffy scummier than Chick and preferred to wagon him over her while Chick was being wagoned, so it might be that.

Chara · Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:24 am

In post 208, Chickadee wrote:
In post 199, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why not? Because you're his buddy?
Sure

But really, I don't get scum jiffy vibes here. I'll admit I haven't played with jiffy that much, but I feel pretty confident that this is vastly different from the scum game I've played with him. I know thats not much, but with how different it is, I'm not scum reading him at this point.

when did your opinion on him change from this?

Dunnstral · Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:21 pm

Everybody seems intent on avoiding discussion on Invis or looking at their iso or saying you can't read him so I'll help you guys out: He wasn't quickhammered so there's guaranteed scum between the two of us, it doesn't matter what your read on alch or nm or tora or whoever is this day phase anymore

Invisibility · Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:22 pm

I was at L-1 when

Invisibility · Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:23 pm

legit question

Chickadee · Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:40 pm

In post 2019, Chara wrote:
In post 208, Chickadee wrote:
In post 199, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why not? Because you're his buddy?
Sure

But really, I don't get scum jiffy vibes here. I'll admit I haven't played with jiffy that much, but I feel pretty confident that this is vastly different from the scum game I've played with him. I know thats not much, but with how different it is, I'm not scum reading him at this point.
when did your opinion on him change from this?

I'm trying to reevaluate things. And looking back, I'm thinking maybe RC had something. Jiffy never questioned why I town read him. He just went along with it, saying he was happy to be pocketed.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:12 pm

In post 2020, Dunnstral wrote:Everybody seems intent on avoiding discussion on Invis or looking at their iso or saying you can't read him so I'll help you guys out: He wasn't quickhammered so there's guaranteed scum between the two of us, it doesn't matter what your read on alch or nm or tora or whoever is this day phase anymore

I agree with the Invis scumread but this logic doesn’t make much sense here. With a 5-player scumteam it’s probably hard for scum to organize a quickhammer off 1 vote. Town could cross-vote and it would still likely be some time before anything significant comes of it.