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IdkIn post 10, Varsoon wrote:Present!
Also are we masons in this game?
Wait, is there mod meta on Alice in Wonderland games that I should know about?In post 7, Gamma Emerald wrote:This is my first Alice in Wonderland game
I’m 20% excited, 80% terrified
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Why be terrified?
But I know FG’s overall mod meta is pretty wild<Embrace The Void>
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I was in the most recent of thoseIn post 14, Varsoon wrote:I've played some of FG's wild rides in the touhou flavor, but this game seems much more grounded.
It was hellaciously crazy<Embrace The Void>
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Have you seen anything wrt that new LttP randomized mode Inverted? I’m hoping a tourney of that happens soon and Slim joins it. I watched him sporadically in the Vanilla randomizer and the Keysanity randomizer tourneys<Embrace The Void>
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Nosferatu is a Kokichi alt? 0.0
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Yeah I’m a miller tooIn post 43, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
How many millers do you think are likely in this game? Since, it’s FG, maybe 3 possibly?<Embrace The Void>
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Role relatedIn post 83, Sakura Hana wrote:
Btw why didnt u mention this in your first post?In post 71, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah I’m a miller too
Can’t say any more<Embrace The Void>
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NahIn post 107, hebichan wrote:I don't know Gamma doesn't normally just jump onto claims.
So it is weird to see him claim that easily there.
Gamma, was that a fake claim?
I’d rather fakeclaim Miller in a position where I could skate to a YEET victory<Embrace The Void>
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Why does likeable attitude = scum?In post 129, DVa wrote:
This is the part I didn't like -- I mean, isn't the answer yes? They looked at the sample role PM, people started claiming miller. Why does scum not claim miller here? You think all of them are real?In post 117, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:But would scum likely fakeclaim miller on D1?
I mostly dislike that you were commenting a lot on setup but not evaluating the claims themselves, instead categorically accepting them as a clump at the time. I also dislike the meta defense of you, your own self-meta, and your criticism of Varsoon.
But I do like your attitude, you seem like a cool cat. Did you roll scum Nancy?<Embrace The Void>
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LA, why vote for GE while responding to a Sakura quote and as a first post, no less?In post 148, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:In post 106, Lady Angel wrote:
...what?In post 104, Sakura Hana wrote:
proving im town is easy, and you dont even need to talk with me!In post 101, Marquis wrote:btw sakura if you're town you're going to have to prove it
like yeah i misread you before when you actually were town but i still feel burned. like. just talk to me
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
That miller claim is super shaky and more looks like you jumped on it for town points than an actual miller claim.
Idk that might just be how they play? This is off one game of meta thoughIn post 158, Varsoon wrote:Sorry about that. It's mostly for Nancy.
TL;DR: I don't know if this is town Nancy or Nancy playing what she believes is town Nancy but she's leaning heavily on this being meta-NAI and town while also seeming to have info we don't and presenting game approach that isn't logical given the data sets she should have, if town.
Also Marquis never informed his Dunn push and is now pushing me 'cus I called that out<Embrace The Void>
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Oh fuck that noiseVOTE: KokichiIn post 164, Kokichi Oma wrote:If you're a desperado. I say hip fire gamma since his Miller claim was not early or first post<Embrace The Void>
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This is why Kokichi asking for a hip fire on me is a scum play fyiIn post 184, Varsoon wrote:
I think the logic is that in previous games by this mod there's been a running theme ofIn post 175, hebichan wrote:Why is nancy assuming that there is a scum desperado?I've read the set up and I don't get why you would assume sum would have a dayvig.
~5 people with a basic, kinda useless role (like Miller here)
~3 people with a more useful role (like Desperado here)
At least 1 scum with one of those roles
So the assumption is that scum would have something to key them into the fact town has a lot of desperados or millers, and likely scum has a miller or desperado, but scum having a desperado is a more mechanically interesting design even if it's problematic because, as the mod made real clear, any death during the day ends the day.<Embrace The Void>
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Okay, I see it nowIn post 199, Wisdom wrote:Ill make it easy for you
In post 99, Sakura Hana wrote:Marquis is right tho, Dunn claiming miller doesnt change a thing.
But I dislike more Gamma randomly coming and going "Oh yeah im a miller too" after other people claimed miller.
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That miller claim is super shaky and more looks like you jumped on it for town points than an actual miller claim.In post 170, Wisdom wrote:
why would you encourage desperados to hit millersIn post 164, Kokichi Oma wrote:If you're a desperado. I say hip fire gamma since his Miller claim was not early or first postIn post 173, Lady Angel wrote: Kokichi asking players to desperado millers when the desperado role kills millers like scum is a little ridiculous on day one. Wouldn't it be better to wait and reduce the number of possible misfires first?
VOTE: Lady Angle<Embrace The Void>
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Why are you blatantly rolefishing?In post 215, Drixx wrote:Varsoon makes a really solid point. Giving scum a role that would end the day AND net them a mislynch (miller kill equates to a mislynch for the day) makes zero sense.
I would go so far as to say that if there were scum desperado this day would already be over. At least one of those miller claims is gross enough that I'm pretty sure a scum desperado could get away with shooting it.
@Gamma - I'm gonna need a better explanation for why you didn't claim miller post one.<Embrace The Void>
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I already said it was role-related. So either you haven’t been reading properly or you’re rolefishing.
And day ends on a shot. Yeah, you need to actually read games. As it is I feel it’s possible you thought you could coast by pushing me.<Embrace The Void>
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I wasn’t aware of the Repeated Role thing being consistent across the series. I only knew about the setup in what I think was the first game? Beyond that The only thing I got out of the other games was the Main Character gimmick. So like, what you expected and what I expected are different things. And you say you’re calling attention to yourself, your initial post was pretty subtle with you slipping that question towards the end.<Embrace The Void>
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Why...wouldn’t you take that at face value? And yeah, that’s what I’m saying. And idg what multi-faceted has to do with how much attention something gets but w/eIn post 239, Drixx wrote:
We've played together a LOT Gamma. You know I make posts which are multi-faceted. I expect a certain level of mental acumen from anyone playing mafia on a forum.In post 235, Gamma Emerald wrote:I wasn’t aware of the Repeated Role thing being consistent across the series. I only knew about the setup in what I think was the first game? Beyond that The only thing I got out of the other games was the Main Character gimmick. So like, what you expected and what I expected are different things. And you say you’re calling attention to yourself, your initial post was pretty subtle with you slipping that question towards the end.
And ... supposing I take that post at face value you are essentially saying that you didn't claim miller 1st post because you misunderstood the base assumptions for the game?<Embrace The Void>
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Btw I’m honored by thisIn post 236, Marquis wrote:coming back to ms.net and all these better than thou type attitudes is really just so irritating
i like gamma if only because he's straightforward without being snarky or mean about it<Embrace The Void>
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I also voted LA on Wisdom’s command though...In post 255, SirCakez wrote:In post 248, Varsoon wrote:Like it bugs me that you frame it as 'cus wis told varsoon, that is why he voted there' when that's not the case.That's what it looked like to me b/c Wis nudged you on that page but I suppose we'll see.
And I'll try
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So I can state what I meant by “role related” now. I’m a Miller 1-Shot Cop, tried to check SirCakez last night and got no result, which is honestly a better outcome than not getting blocked. When Dunnstral claimed I figured he could just be another of what my role is. It was only once there were more claims that I realized “no it’s not just me + one other”.<Embrace The Void>
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You wanna help or are you just gonna bad-mouth my ideas?In post 274, MariaR wrote:
Wouldn't think too hard about it. NKA is shitIn post 273, Gamma Emerald wrote:What I’m concerned about is scum not killing ND39, who was confirmed Town<Embrace The Void>
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I’ve actually been feeling the same
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Why would you miss it as town but not scum?In post 308, MariaR wrote:I'm still shocked you think I can be scum who missed day 1 but that's always personal bias.<Embrace The Void>
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Scum PT doesn’t tell you what phase it is though?In post 313, MariaR wrote:
I would've seen the scum pt when I click private topics.In post 310, Sakura Hana wrote:
Why would you not miss Day 1 as scum?In post 308, MariaR wrote:I'm still shocked you think I can be scum who missed day 1 but that's always personal bias.<Embrace The Void>
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Even though there was a Day 1 message? And how would having a scum PT change that?In post 315, MariaR wrote:
I didn't know this game started until I got the "day 2" msg is the thing.In post 314, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Scum PT doesn’t tell you what phase it is though?In post 313, MariaR wrote:
I would've seen the scum pt when I click private topics.In post 310, Sakura Hana wrote:
Why would you not miss Day 1 as scum?In post 308, MariaR wrote:I'm still shocked you think I can be scum who missed day 1 but that's always personal bias.<Embrace The Void>
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Because the entire purpose of NKA is finding scumIn post 327, MariaR wrote:
You're not giving a valid answer for why the argument is badIn post 325, Dunnstral wrote:
Bad argument, you're saying it's bad because we don't know who scum isIn post 323, MariaR wrote:Do you know what roles scum have wisdom?
Do you know who scum is?
No?
Then you don't have all the variables argo nka is shit
If we knew who they were, we wouldn’t have to do it, would we?<Embrace The Void>
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Those don’t really resemble WIFOM I thinkIn post 333, MariaR wrote:Like you can talk about why they were killed and the answers are many
1) They thought they were strong prs
2) they thought they'd never get lynched
3) They were scumreading the right people
4) they were townreading someone scum wanted lynched
5) Framing
like so many answers to why scum killed X we don't know the answer and we're not gonna know the answer.
WIFOM is where you argue back and forth about whatever being Town or Scum
Here it’s more just coming to a conclusion, as once you have an idea you’re likely to stick to it until other evidence is presented, at which point you’ll reconsider<Embrace The Void>
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Why?In post 373, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Do you think scum has a role cop because the odds of hitting a desperado. If there was a scum role cop n0, then that would be interesting.In post 372, Wisdom wrote:the problem with my theory is that cakez/dva could have been millers who didnt claim so eh. Would they risk it?
VOTE: Tripod
Let’s try this. Marquis is also good.<Embrace The Void>
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Thats how it felt to meIn post 413, Untrod Tripod wrote:I must have missed the part where I tried to talk you out of your vote when I wrote the post, I guess I should try harder next time<Embrace The Void>
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SweetIn post 488, Dunnstral wrote:ok, my role is Bandit king, I am a 2-shot vigilante miller, I shot Sircakez and hebichan
So Dunn+Nancy conftown rn (unless someone disputes Dunn’s role)<Embrace The Void>
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ORly, how
Btw VOTE: MariaR
This doesn’t leave unless either you explain that impeccably or someone else does something sketchier<Embrace The Void>
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On top of all the other crazy things going on giving scum 2 kills a night for 2 nights st the very least (cos if Dunn is scum it’s reasonable he’s lying about the two shot thing) just seems like making this a game scum were always supposed to win<Embrace The Void>
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That had a counter in the doctor thoughIn post 500, MariaR wrote:I could see a scum 2 shot vig given we had a scum even night poisoner last time.
It's not impossible
There’s absolute jack for stopping kills on town’s end rn<Embrace The Void>
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Now that I think about it you have a pointIn post 505, MariaR wrote:
Yes the 1 doctor to stop from getting poisoned.In post 503, Gamma Emerald wrote:
That had a counter in the doctor thoughIn post 500, MariaR wrote:I could see a scum 2 shot vig given we had a scum even night poisoner last time.
It's not impossible
There’s absolute jack for stopping kills on town’s end rn
Also just because nothing has shown updoesn't mean we don't have protectives.Anyway you're town so is marq you gonna keep that vote or move on sweet cheeks?
Pedit: That doesn't stop you from voting now does it.
VOTE: Kokichi Oma this still needs to die<Embrace The Void>
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Talk about this one, as it’s the only one I don’t see at least a little ofIn post 512, Wisdom wrote:Third probably sakura<Embrace The Void>
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What about Funnstral?In post 528, Sakura Hana wrote:
I have literally no idea, my mind went blank when my highest scumread flipped town.In post 526, Wisdom wrote:who else is scum, sakura?
Only thing im sure of is that Nancy's town.
You're probably town too because of your MariaR push.<Embrace The Void>
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I meant in THIS SETUP they kill millersIn post 546, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
So town desperadoes can normally kill millers?In post 544, Gamma Emerald wrote:Keep in mind they also kill millers, which isn’t the normal functionality either
So then a scum desperado could conceivably kill gfs in this kind of setup?
But they have been obviously wouldn’t and based on this, a town desperado should be able to kill a gf - if there actually was one in this game.
I thought that was clear when I said IT WASNT THE NORMAL THING
GOD I HATE HAVING TO EXPLAIN MY THOUGHT PROCESS 5 TIMES OVER<Embrace The Void>
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I think we have the same theory (doc protected you)In post 550, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
What is it?In post 536, Gamma Emerald wrote:I actually have a theory (and this is why I unvoted MariaR)
I also have one and it may explain why I’m still in the game.
It’s really weird to me that Drixx was killed but I’m still alive.
VOTE: Tripod<Embrace The Void>
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Hey I copped Cakez so I think me and Dunn wanted to make the same move in different waysIn post 551, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
You know, am I the only one wondering why all of the millers are still alive?In post 530, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What about Funnstral?In post 528, Sakura Hana wrote:
I have literally no idea, my mind went blank when my highest scumread flipped town.In post 526, Wisdom wrote:who else is scum, sakura?
Only thing im sure of is that Nancy's town.
You're probably town too because of your MariaR push.
Maybe I should revise this list. Gamma, Varsoon, Sakura=town.
Why does vig ever shoot Cakes? I didn’t understand hebi scumread either but Tripod and Marquis were the only ones on mine, hebi wagons. I don’t know if Maria is scum but Wisdom sr Maria reads town, OTOH, him sr Sakura reads scum. But this isn’t the first time Wisdom can’t see obvtown and I’m sure it won’t be the last.<Embrace The Void>
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YesIn post 562, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
“I really really dislike Wisdom Sakura push but he was off hebi wagon. I can definitely see why scum might see Cakes as a real threat in this game but not hebi.”In post 559, Gamma Emerald wrote:Could you restructure that last paragraph of thought Nacy? I can’t tell where one ends and another begins
This one?<Embrace The Void>
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Nah the shot was poorly timed but the reasoning was fairIn post 568, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:UNVOTE:
Nos, what is your role? I think Kokichi was killed for his I’m 100% sure there’s scum amongst the millers, post.
Kokichi kill indicates one scum amongst the millers.
So far only Gamma and Dunn have claimed. That leaves Wisdom Nos. Wisdom, same question. I think if we assume that Kokichi was killed due to hid assertion of scum amongst the millers, then - figuring out which miller claim is fake will hopefully get us out of which game-throwing Nico is solely responsible for IMO.
To improve on play there, I’d say Nico should have stated she was shooting but not shot til later<Embrace The Void>
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