Open 734: Paris Mafia (13-player variation) - Game Over

[innocentvillager]

innocentvillager replaces ldkldldldkdkdkdklllkkk

Straight upgrade.

you're going to be disappointed im super rusty and terrible at this game

[innocentvillager]

hi lion hi thor

don't think i know any of the rest of you bitches

[innocentvillager]

um yeah let's not try to hero vote over three posts i made when i was drunk and being really emotional haha ecksdee

lol potg

idk it's not my style to do catch up walls and quotes and im not in the mood to do so but ive skimmed some stuff and vaguely know whats going on

[innocentvillager]

Good. Now tell us what you think and ask some questions please. If the game doesn't get going I'm going to be totally withdrawn

i don't like this attitude but the fact that you're vocalizing it makes it less suspicious so im torn on that

[innocentvillager]

there's hardly anything for me to comment on

oh yeah specifically this

we play to read and find scum, not just write as much as possible

VOTE: Almost50 here for now

[innocentvillager]

also I don't really care about the Mime thing unless we lynch one, generally I feel like trying to distinguish between Mime/Mafia play is gonna be a barrel of WIFOM and not worth it

wow i like lion this game

[innocentvillager]

actually not him just the things he says

[innocentvillager]

but him as well in general <3 but not from an alightment perspective LOL

okay ill stop fillering

[innocentvillager]

wow overreaction much lol? how does me supposedly having poor logic translate to sure scum?

i don't like your attitude towards this. no you don't have "void" to go off of. do you seriously you have parsed all possible AI information from the past 5 pages?

i don't have much of a readslist rn and im not sure i need to disclose how i currently feel about everyone. I'll make it more as we go and currently you're leanscum

[innocentvillager]

Almost, could we please not go down this rage tunnel thing again - haven't you moved past this habit yet? You and I both know there are sloppy and skillful town who are going to act that way and I rarely see the rage wagon trigger particularly useful feedback - I know it's happy to go down that pah and I still do it too much myself, but I actually like his alignment's odds to be town for calling out one of the more active and generically town read slots at this juncture, yeah?

since for some reason Almost doesn't want to push my wagon despite me being his most confident scumread, can you explain his argument to me? It seems like you kind of understand where he's coming from but I don't

also your post gives me the shudders but people are townreading you for some reason I'm probably just not seeing so i'll let that go

honestly idk what's going on i'll revisit this tmr

[innocentvillager]

Well that was a fast readthrough

Early reads

Thor is town
A50's push on the obviously fake vig claim is so bad it almost has to come from a mime.
Sesq hasn't done anything yet except claim her vote on lane was real in 90 without reasoning
I like GL's catchup posts
Lady Angel isn't a mime
A lot of other null reads from there.

VOTE: Sesq

Not really interested in either of the other "wagons" right now.

i think i like you

[innocentvillager]

i think almost should be vigged tonight if this lynch doesn't go through could be mime but like lion said im not super interested in the wifom rn

[innocentvillager]

@Sesq @Rocky

why is almost mime not goon

IOW tell me why is goon!A50 significantly less plausible than mime!A50

like i don't think i can believe tells confidently distinguishing between mime and goon. I honestly think those reads are either delusional, heavily exaggerated or scum but I haven't much experience with third party games so prove me wrong i guess?

[innocentvillager]

A50's push on the obviously fake vig claim is so bad it almost has to come from a mime.

oh i should've iso'd you first. but like this to me seems as plausible from goon as mime, like lion said there's too much interchangeable wifom.

[innocentvillager]

Could I interest you in a fancy sesq wagon to generate some content from that slot?

i like my Almost vote

[innocentvillager]

Where do you get that he's not pushing it? He is absolutely pushing it - maybe not in the most efficient way humanely possible, but he's pushing it as much or more than basically anyone else is pushing their cases at the moment. This feels like an empty attack, yeah?

I would say the quickest way to explain it is to say "go do a search for games where Almost is town, and just read how he plays" Yes, he does the same as scum, but that's beside the point. The core revelation is that he tends to (much like myself, which is why I'm sympathetic to his position) get a burr up his backside when people "are not playing right".

You did something he considers inherently poor play, so the working theory from that is you're scum.
It seems like a fairly clear case even if you don't agree to it - why is his stance coming across as confusing and not being pushed to you?

huh??

Sigh! "This" never fails!

VOTE: innocentvillager

P.S. Not gonna explain "this". All I'm gonna say is innocentvillager has just claimed scum with Fink/DT/Eragon (in that order, so the most likely p is FINK, and Eragon is really unlikely)

^^ that is a "fairly clear case even if I don't agree to it"?? are we reading the same thing thor

what I mean by not pushing is basically just empty voting and proclaiming im scum but (1) not caring about other people voting/not voting me and (2) not explaining/refusing to explain to others why I'm scum. If he does either one of those I'd call it a push but if he's doing neither then imo it updates negatively for him

[innocentvillager]

If my case gives you shudders then address me about the shudders - otherwise you're not scumhunting and certainly avoiding trying to sort me.
I'm pretty sure people are towning me for a mix of activity and me being willing to state some opinions clearly.

you have a good reputation for scum which obviously makes me slightly more skeptical when everyone townreads you. but everyone else also knows that, but they're still townreading you anyway, and I assume they know your meta better

that one post you wrote that I felt weird about felt oddly manipulative but im not sure i have more than that gutshot. Maybe you're coaching Almost or something although i hate positing these low probability scenarios.

[innocentvillager]

What did I try to coach Almost on outside of advising him not to rage tunnel you?
And wouldn't that suggest I'm as much potentially your partner as I am his?

shh thor don't give it away

also what. and yeah there was a weird buddy vibe to it

[innocentvillager]

I've actually not played with a fair chunk of this player base.
I would like to think I also have a rep as decent town, no?

what i mean is im less inclined to TR you from everyone else TRing you, like you're pretty null for me rn ill keep you around for now

let's just drop the whole me not understanding Almost's vote on me and you making me feel dumb for not getting it I don't think this convo is helping anyone find scum

[innocentvillager]

(usually a wagon on me)

VOTE: sesq

okay fine rocky happy?

[innocentvillager]

id rather someone just fucking respond to my read on guiltylion. nobody has. not even him

what is your case on GL even? fluffposting? Lion is hard null for me

[innocentvillager]

this is a common thing that scum say when they're making up a new read btw - the reason is because you're not actually trying to sort people or read the game

i disagree with this i think this plausibly happens with either alignment due to confirmation bias

[innocentvillager]

sesq kinda scumflailed i think but the wording is interesting, but more likely that it's personality, I think im happy with my vote

[innocentvillager]

I would lay dollars to doughnuts that at least two scum are in the bottom third least active posters.

sold

[innocentvillager]

I would lay dollars to doughnuts that at least two scum are in the bottom third least active posters.

sold

wait but also why

[innocentvillager]

Even taking out the people who I think are lurking for legit reasons this game's pace is glacial.
There is a strategy at play here, and it's called lurk.
I am also of the opinion in two player scum teams generally there is a active/active enough teammate and one who opts to lurk. Expand that with two teams and you've got a solid explanation for why this game is extra slow soup.
The only bother is the number of town helping to occlude it.

can you state your scumreads based on that reasoning? sounds like you're ruling out quite some teams with that

[innocentvillager]

I stand by my previous commentary - I find him null. I don't see much meat in your case, and frankly considering how I could flip your name into his name and have the case make just as much sense

I'm worried that you do find meat in it.

okay he addressed this self-case thing I think but whats your read on sesq, given the bolded that you said?

[innocentvillager]

can the three voters restate the case on him because I really don't think he's done anything scummy and I'd like a fresh take on why he's the best place for your vote

i don't find the DT case appealing either.

[innocentvillager]

does anyone have sesq meta? does sesq seem the type to scumflail and hard push another wagon as either alignment when wagoned

[innocentvillager]

ope will get to this

[innocentvillager]

sorry im pretty behind but basically i have no reads since sesq and a50 died and they were the ones i had reads on

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: no lynch

[innocentvillager]

whats going on in this game lol

[innocentvillager]

Isnt thor basically claimed mafia? Why arent we voting him

[innocentvillager]

sorry just kind of checked out / busy with rl rn will try to be better

[innocentvillager]

sorry i am here and still behind

so basically from what I see eragon is watcher who caught thor confirmed scum and jingle is vig? is that all I need to know

[innocentvillager]

I onvioisly havemt read everything but i feel like people are just arguing about setup strata and ill just go along wih whatwvwr, i just dont have the time for this rn

In all seriousness should i replace out? I dont want to cost us the game bc im not really engaged and able to keep up. Sorry about this

[innocentvillager]

@mod: V/LA until the game is over. Thanks.

Same i guess