Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Performer]

This is outside of performers scum range as I understand it.

I am thinking Enigma.

I will have to re ISO Korina & his vex character.

[ruru]

Get me out of this game

Get me out of this game

Get me out of this game

Get me out of this game

Get me out of this game

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 5.1

Alonzo (0):

Performer (2):

skitter30, Korina

(L-2)

ruru (0):

Enigma (0):

skitter30 (0):

Korina (0):

Not Voting (4):

Alonzo, Performer, ruru, Enigma

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to kill.
Day 5 ends in (expired on 2018-11-08 20:30:00)

Other:

- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays

[Performer]

In times of great difficulty , the extent of your character is shown! You cannot give up!

In fact, one thing you can do too is parse through ISOs, ruru - from one Kpop fan to another.

[ruru]

do you know why alonzo thinks you're out of your scumrange?

[ruru]

The part I bolded about your reply, is very odd , so I'm trying to understand it. You're saying that I somehow know they're no killing?

as for this, you would know scum nokilled n3 (establishing it as a thing scum believe is good)

[Performer]

do you know why alonzo thinks you're out of your scumrange?

I know very well why he thinks this. In fear of letting on too much info for scum, I don't think he or I should get into that.

The part I bolded about your reply, is very odd , so I'm trying to understand it. You're saying that I somehow know they're no killing?

as for this, you would know scum nokilled n3 (establishing it as a thing scum believe is good)

Well...I hypothesized this because Alonzo blocked me twice and I'm just VT. So with all the info right now, that's the conclusion I arrive at - that scum no killed.

[skitter30]

performer himself i think is fine, and i lowkey townread him in isolation tbh

however, things that i'm finding a little problematic include:

-> in retrospect, tw's iso isn't that great

-> tw has pretty bad associatives with bujaber (on bujaber's end)

-> all iterations of flipped scum (anti, bujaber, and cj) townread sky

[skitter30]

that's a DRAW. That means they risked being ok with that. If I go off what I can tell from # of games played and meta - I don't think ruru is that type of scum, or skitter for that matter. But I think this last scum isn't too sharp due to what I've explained here.

i mean, it' spossible they think it's impossible for them to win so are going for a draw instead (after all, that's better than an outright loss)

[skitter30]

Subject: Open 713: Jungle Republic [Game Over]

Try 72/24 and 48/24 hour games, plus this game, which is 168/48.

This is the only site where I could fesibly get away with doing 3+ games at once.

I mean, I get it, life gets busy and you might not have time to post as much as you like - but like the fact that you're repeatedly popping in to tell us you're busy and that you can't really post content looks excuse-y.[/quote]

this is how i described town!korina in the other game i played with him

[skitter30]

i messed up those quotes; let me try that again

[skitter30]

Subject: Open 713: Jungle Republic [Game Over]

Try 72/24 and 48/24 hour games, plus this game, which is 168/48.

This is the only site where I could fesibly get away with doing 3+ games at once.

I mean, I get it, life gets busy and you might not have time to post as much as you like - but like the fact that you're repeatedly popping in to tell us you're busy and that you can't really post content looks excuse-y.

[Performer]

Subject: Open 713: Jungle Republic [Game Over]

Try 72/24 and 48/24 hour games, plus this game, which is 168/48.

This is the only site where I could fesibly get away with doing 3+ games at once.

I mean, I get it, life gets busy and you might not have time to post as much as you like - but like the fact that you're repeatedly popping in to tell us you're busy and that you can't really post content looks excuse-y.

Interesting. I didn't know ruru/enigma/buj/korina are so close to one another. One possibility I have is that korina is emulating his town game, if he's scum. A problem is , I don't know if kor is capable of stretching himself that much...is he capable of it? I haven't seen a scum game of korina's either.

[Performer]

Also - Korina spoke in d4 I think, of some possibility chart he made in terms of who was scum.

Iirc, he mentioned enig>perf>skitter? Problem with THAT is we can only risk 1 mislynch on d5, today.

I keep thinking enig is scummier than korina but there are some weird things like that from korina, that make me keep reevaluating. He even said he thought the game was solved
so he was disinterested . That's interesting in addition to the way he voted me today.

[Performer]

Something vex said is he lurks as scum. Vex & Korina's ISOs are over 200 posts combined already. So that alone....doesn't make me think he's scum over enigma.

[Korina]

My vote stays on Performer unless he gets modkilled.
I'll explain why in a bit, give me time to explain my reasoning.

[Korina]

My point here is that I do not believe that scum is certainly trying to gambit, and get Performer mislynched at this point. Unless scum is {Skitter, Ruru, Alonzo}, someone who is pretty much unlynchable, there is no way that Performer has been blocked, and there has been no mafia kill

twice

. If it is not Performer, Enigma, or Skitter, that means it has to fall between Ruru and Alonzo, however, at that point, I'm fine with mafia winning since they played such a risky gambit and pulled it off.

In Town of Salem, I've never seen this tactic being pulled off. I've never seen scum try not to kill in order to get a scummy player mislynched, even though, that greatly benefits them to do so, since, well, the game is so short. Now, lets translate that to this game, where games are a million times longer. Would scum try to pull something off like that unless they're unlynchable? No. Scum would never try to. That gives town more time to analyze this, and try to figure out who they are. At this stage, scum would want to play like a survivor: Try to get the game to end as soon as possible.

Like I said, unless scum is literally unlynchable, it has to be Performer or Enigma, because at this stage, scum needs to get kills if they are {Me, Performer, Enigma}. There's no way around that.

{Ruru, Alonzo, Skitter} would be fine not getting kills... for now, however, ultimately, it backfires on them, (exception being Alonzo).
Part of me is starting to think that Performer is trying to get anyone

but

himself lynched at this point, only to try to save himself. Why would Town!Performer do this when he knows he's been rb'd twice? Reasonably, any townie that's been rb'd twice would want to be hanged just to confirm that it is not them, and that it has to be someone else. Only scum at this point would be trying to stay alive.

I don't see Performer trying to confirm himself, (which would be lynch), I see him trying to save himself.
In addition to what I've said above, Performer is the most likely player to flip scum at this point. It really doesn't matter. He's been RB'd twice. Mafia have not killed twice. He's (in my eyes) mechanically confirmed scum.
Unless he's modkilled, or someone outright scum-claims, my vote will not change until his flip.

TL;DR
Scum can't be gambiting at this point unless its {ruru, Skitter, Alonzo}, who are basically unlynchable
Performer isn't really trying to prove himself, he's trying to throw blame elsewhere
He's mechanically confirmed scum imo

[Korina]

Why would we bother wasting our time on someone else, other than someone who has been rb'd twice, with no scum kills?

[Korina]

Something vex said is he lurks as scum. Vex & Korina's ISOs are over 200 posts combined already. So that alone....doesn't make me think he's scum over enigma.

Post count doesn't mean jackshit
I make large posts.
Trying to read me based on my overall post count on D5 isn't helping you at all.
It'll make you think that I'm scum because I'm not "being active".

My active is making large posts, not many smaller posts.

[Korina]

My lurking is making very short posts, if I even post.

[skitter30]

i'm not entirely sure why you're calling for him to be mod-killed tho

[Korina]

I'm not, I'm saying my vote only changes if he is modkilled.

[Korina]

If he's modkilled, we know his flip.
Either the game ends, or its not him. Simple as that.

He's been rb'd twice now, and this is the closest to a cop guilty we can get, so please explain why we would deviate from that?

[skitter30]

i could conceivably see myself no-kill maybe? i'm not sure why i owuldn't just nk tho

i know that i wouldn't want to go for a draw if i were scum in my position because i'm literally never getting lynched; scum!me wants the game to end faster so i can just win, and doesn't want the game to draw

i can kinda see scum in {performer/enigma, maybe korina} try to go for the draw (ie by proposing a no lynch today and no nk tonight again) because a draw is better than an outright loss

[skitter30]

i'm not sure if i'm seeing him be survivalistic tho?