Pikmin Mafia - Game over

[GhostWriter]

Considering they actually aren't because, *gasp*, I'm not one of any kind of anti-town roles, I don't think I can help you with that question. Is there another, serious, question you'd like to ask me?

[Claus]

Hello! Busy this weekend, will post tomorrow, probably.

[armlx]

This is page 22, not page 2. Stop being dumb guys.

[Gorrad]

Don't worry GW, I got this one for you.

Yo Kison, GS is scum. We should totally lynch him!

[armlx]

Yo GS, Kison is scum. We should totally lynch him!

Fixed.

[Gorrad]

Frankly, I could see either right now. Decent preference for a GS-lynch though.

[armlx]

I can't really see the later so strongly right now, mainly b/c I've seen GS do a lot of this as town before and been attacked and almost lynched before and those that mainly did it be scum before.

[Kison]

GW : I wanted you to respond to a post of mine about twenty pages back, but for starters you can give us a list of who you suspect.

Gorrad : What do you think of the fact armlx claims his vote on JtF was due to his vote on JDodge despite the fact JtF didn't vote JDodge until after arml'x placed his vote on him? What do you think of the fact that he ignored it when I pointed it out?

Let's practice this again :

My vote on JtP yesterday had little to do with his view on you and more how he just hopped on the Jdodge wagon.

I concur with JDodge's case on Kison. Kison, early on, seemed to take many opportune votes, switching between bandwagons.

I would rather see more pressure on Kison than GS.

Unvote: Greasy Spot; Vote: Kison

...two posts later...

That is definitely worth my second vote.

Vote James the Phox

...next page...

JDodge makes a good point.

Vote: JDodge

"definitely worth my second vote" translated into "little to do with his views on you" translates into "i'm skewing this to fit my current need to vote you."

[armlx]

I originally voted based on that first swap, then kept it on due to the Jdodge wagon.

[Kison]

What you're trying to do here is underplay the significance of your initial vote, but it's not going to work. You were one of the people urging everyone not to fling their votes around, implying your vote had meaning and was more than a simple placeholder.

Like I said : "

definitely worth my second vote

" does not translate into "

little to do with his view on you

"

But that's not the point. The point is you're trying to use an argument to justify your vote when you voted someone for using that very same argument yesterday :

Here's your vote justification :

I've definitely come around to Jdodge/JtP's point of view on this. The blatant opportunism is astounding.

Here's the justification JtF used against me which you then proceeded to vote him for :

I concur with JDodge's case on Kison. Kison, early on, seemed to take many opportune votes, switching between bandwagons.

I brought this up before. You underplayed your vote significance. Tap dancing.

[armlx]

If he had hopped votes at that time to pretty much anyone I would have voted him.

[Kison]

Perhaps then you should explain why you would ignore his reasons and vote him simply based on the fact he changed his vote. Because I do not understand that for the life of me.

[Kison]

Basically what you're saying here is that JtF was the first to raise a good point against me(it's a good point because you are now using it to vote for me), but when you voted for him yesterday you ignored this solid reasoning and voted him simply because he was changing his votes. That's so scummy I'm having trouble actually believing you more or less admitted to it.

[armlx]

His first post voting you lacked real content vs you and felt to me like a weak attempt at pushing a wagon and hopping off GS at that time, which was exactly what I was expecting from scum regardless of where they moved their vote. However, he ended up posting a real case that has convinced me otherwise.

[JamesThePhox]

Also, I didn't really do vote "hopping" Day 2. I just voted all the people I found suspicious.

[Kison]

armlx -

I'm very unimpressed with the continued pressing of the slip. It was worth pointing out and seeing if he would explode under pressure, but he didn't and I would expect pro-town players to have moved on by now.

You also said on D2 that you viewed pressuring GS over his slip to be an acceptable move up to a certain point. I was perhaps the first to back down once I saw it was getting nowhere, but you've embedded this as part of my unacceptable manipulation. Any reason I am such an exception? Also, what do you think of WindKirby?

Vote: Greasy Spot

for the hammer of the Purple Pikmin, ZS. And for other past scum vibes.

What are these other past scum vibes you're talking about?

One other thing. Flameaxe was "blown off the map." That's similar to the kill on JDodge but not quite. What kind of Pikmin enemy would blow someone off the map? Could said enemy do what Gorrad claims he did last night?

[Gorrad]

I'm giving Armlx benefit of the doubt for now. I can see him doing what he claims.

The puffy blowhog blew Flameaxe off the map, naturally. I blew JD up, not off.

[Kison]

I noted the difference but also the similarity. Just double checking.

[armlx]

Also, I didn't really do vote "hopping" Day 2. I just voted all the people I found suspicious.

Voting multiple people at once is the same as vote hopping in a normal game, only you don't have to unvote in the middle.

[armlx]

armlx -

I'm very \\unimpressed with the continued pressing of the slip. It was worth pointing out and seeing if he would explode under pressure, but he didn't and I would expect pro-town players to have moved on by now.

You also said on D2 that you viewed pressuring GS over his slip to be an acceptable move up to a certain point. I was perhaps the first to back down once I saw it was getting nowhere, but you've embedded this as part of my unacceptable manipulation. Any reason I am such an exception? Also, what do you think of WindKirby?

Pressuring the slip at first was fine to see if GS decided to dig his own grave, which he started to a little, but he stabilized and the pressure no longer was useful. Your vote here was suspicious to me by the way as you made it first then attacked/justified later.

You did not really step down from GS all of Day 1 in my opinion, just drifted away and snapped back D2.

The last 2 I can answer in 1 statement: Currently my top suspects are you, PyroDwarf, windkirby, and JtP. Of those voting GS D2, I'm ignoring hascows as I think I'll be able to determine his scummitude much better by the later stages then now, skitzer because he's pretty null in general and falling close to my default lynch category (though he actually makes good points unlike most of the rest of them), xdaamno for same reason as hascow, and Blaze as I can see blaze town doing this. You are at the top as you seem the most malicious of those, then Pyro as he has been pretty under justified all game, then WK and JtP. WK is lower than you as when he posted his logic behind really attacking the slip I can see the train of thought used there (albeit a flawed one), and JtP as he finally posted the case on you and his D1 play was neutral at worst.

[Kison]

You did not really step down from GS all of Day 1 in my opinion, just drifted away and snapped back D2.

Then you need to reread Day One. I conceded that it was not worth pressuring over once JDodge came out and started explaining the likely meaning(which I later explained myself while offering the interpretation everyone else seemed bent on). My D2 vote was for the hammer. Again, reread.

[armlx]

I see no where you blatantly disagree with the sip pressing, and I can help but see a connection between both your GS votes.

[Kison]

Blatantly disagree? Maybe not. But I expressed my own viewpoint on the subject :

So yes, slips do happen to scum(and in that case, a player who's been around for a while). I'm actually less inclined to believe it's a slip, as I can see GS's post being interpreted both ways. But it was a decent thing to try to pressure him on.

Pretty much the same view you had. Decent thing to pressure, not worth it anymore.

[armlx]

Your post seems a lot more on the fence IMHO.

[windkirby]

WK is lower than you as when he posted his logic behind really attacking the slip I can see the train of thought used there (albeit a flawed one),

Why is my logic flawed? I think my train of thought of the slip is very sound. If a careless player such as GS walks into a game about Pikmin knowing that he is not a Pikmin, the slip he gave is a possible result.

And am I the only one completely lost in the Kison-armlx argument? I'm not exactly sure what they're fighting about.

Finally, what I meant to imply was that I believe that the Puffy Blowhog is teamed up with the Bulborb and that the titan dweevil sk kill simply mismatched color-wise.