In post 2099, OkaPoka wrote:i think katy is testing the waters because if she has read how i play i get quite abrasive and can have flipped near death situations into counterwagoning someone else.
Probably but I’m more concerned about how scum feels about the situation and how planned out this was
pedit: no but that’s bc I don’t really text my irl friends that often so it’s more of a thing with like schadd or purrcocet
if you're town an oka or n_m lynch can only go so far if kmd chokes and votes you, likewise if i'm convinced somehow to vote against you (highly doubt this happens at this rate but You Could Be Bussingtm)
like there is an ever so slight chance it's Saudade/Oka or some shit since I dont think n_m reacts to you the way he has all game as your scum partner
part of being good at meta is understanding it's not what X does as town, it's personality analysis. even if we can put up acts or do things differently our personalities still impact how we play alignments differently. point 1 is just always wrong because "manipulating your meta" requires a lot of effort since you basically have to alter how you are. Like Creature, who a lot of people recognize the meta of, has been better at playing scum because the difference in his meta comes from him enjoying the solving aspect of mafia and feeling like there's nothing to do as scum. With more practice and seeing where that comes from he's able to mask that aspect of his personality as scum somewhat better but it's still kind of obvious when you actually play vs scum creature in 2018 just because he hasn't fundamentally changed this aspect of himself.
4 contradicts with 1 too since if people were bad at self-reflection they wouldn't know how to accurately manipulate their meta. different people have varying skills at manipulating their meta and ability to be self-aware. I think I am somewhat self-aware and can recognize when I'm playing poorly and have a vague idea of what is alignment indicative for me, but by no means am I able to make my scum play look like my town play.
Sure, and no because it's hard for me to be as expressive and genuine as I can be as town when I play scum because I can't mimic my thought process. I'm aware of its existence but I waffle and react to the gamestate I'm too scared to consistently try to fake.
Plus I'm in the camp where good scum play doesn't necessarily mean mimicking your town play anyway
pedit: Yes, otherwise scumhunting would be random and iirc town performance/read accuracy is higher than random
In post 2206, OkaPoka wrote:He is 25. I'm 17. If anything I'm at the disadvantage because I lack the wisdom of education and life experience. You can make the judgement call in the end, but let him have the time to flounder about.
In post 2208, Katyusha wrote:oka what do you think is the likelyhood im scum with saudade vs the team being saudade/n_m
Depends. Are you going to vote me or not?
@Saudade, so you have no desire to engage in an actual discourse? Do you wish the legal system worked in a way in which one side did all the talking while the other side didn't?
my alignment is not determined by my willingness to vote you oka - if you're town nothing precludes the possibility i'm town misreading you if i vote you
pedit: Okay then cool, if you're not sure then what questions do you have regarding my alignment that you would like cleared up? same w kmd's?
I'm like very confident that kmd is town here fwiw and from your pov if i had myself as locktown i'd be throwing to throw my vote onto n_m and get the lynch going there but that's just me
i mean from your pov yeah that's probably what's the most likely and i would agree that's scum indicative for n_m - same with him saying he's going to scumread me but that read disappearing all of a sudden
though now i'm curious about what your specific doubts are wrt me and kmd?
idk if it's posture when it's lylo and i think you have the most independent scum equity? i'm in no position to vote by any means, "when it's ok to leap" is when I think I'm ready to commit to ending the game if I'm wrong. I'm not.
kmd's activity is indicative how? does it seem opportunistic? why or why not
In post 2247, OkaPoka wrote:i can elaborate on what that means on scum!kmd vs town!kmd and there is a lot of stuff i can build off of, but the fact that he has changed sets off a red flag
i do love woof woof but i wanna give the deep wolf the freedom of speech slash technically my wincon involves hearing out both sides so i can be sure im voting scum and like i think the only way i can read oka is seeing him scumhunt for realsies
Anyway I don’t really have the chance to intellectually digest some of the later longer posts
My shower thoughts make me want to vote n_m rn and wait to do it for when kmd is online for the immediate gratification of seeing if he’s town BUT if u’d rather wait for me to talk to Oka that’s fine too
feels like the compromise option unless i somehow missed u agreeing oka is scummier
i guess i dont want to choke vs like n_m/saudade or something either. i feel stronger about oka being scum solely because he has more appreciable content, but i do think n_m has much more scum equity than saudade (still think not voting me or considering me as scum until i brought this up is Suspicious).
like my take was more that he was kind of saudade-or-bust and isn't putting much thought into seeing who else is scum. i feel like that doesnt come from scum trying to bus, that's just scum pushing a mislynch. but the point about his lack of urgency is valid too despite the fact they seem contradictory? like i said im super disengaged rn as well from midterms/all-nighters this week so i like read content but it went through me. but basically i see the reasons here as connected, his lack of urgency is from knowing he can't actually find scum and is relying on gamestate to sort his perspective for him and as a result can really only push saudade here. if it was oka/saudade i think saudade would be less lax about the situation so that there's tension being created between the two of them that makes people want to say it's SvS.
i rambled and i dont think it makes sense but im hitting that post button anyway
Sorry I’m going to comment on everything when I’m free - I’ve basically had a few moments of free time but lengthier posts deserve my all
I know hammertesting was a ballsy move but it was one I was confident in because of the work I put into the game last week. If you want to expand on why I was certain about him I can in addition to weighing in where I need to
In post 2343, OkaPoka wrote:No you weren't certain on him unless you are scum.
You can be near certain.
But you weren't certain.
Think clearly.
sorry this is just not how i play mafia
i was 100% sure cheeky was town and i still stand by that being a perfectly valid read to have had based on the circumstances. sure i'm not *informed* of that but you can be basically as certain as possible of sometnhing
were they 100% sure? like, "i'm never wrong on this read" confidence? there's a difference between hard townreading someone and genuinely believing they never flip scum. skitter's also just a bad player to locktown because she has an extremely strong scumgame
deepwolves happen, sure. i think you could have easily been the skitter of this game if i didn't take a step back and reread, and i never called you locktown either. sure, i called you fairly obvious town, but that's more like a 90% certainty read rather than a 100% certainty read. with cheeky i had meta to back myself up and the read just made sense. and for kmd at this point, not only did no team make sense, i think i gave him far too little credit wrt towniness when i was first playing here
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