Mini Normal 2040: Day 4

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: tictac

Since he gave not_mafia his 2nd vote, I'll give him his second vote!

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My RVS vote on tictac is no longer RVS. It's a serious vote, until I make up my mind on his scumchat comment.

Also,

FOS: DVa.

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That's actually a legit question

@Mod, do Scum have Daychat?

I believe that scum can only have daychat if it is announced in the rules, so I actually think scum shouldn't have daychat here?

What don't you like about me BEF?

Your response to the scum daychat comment seems calculated.

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It just feels off to me.
If you were town, a scum day chat shouldn't have any affect on how you scum hunt and your response feels like you are trying to remove yourself from being tied to a scum pt.

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Ebwop
*Effect

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Wouldn't you have voted me then because I was the one who actually pointed it out and kept driving it home? Or is it specifically because she asked for Mod clarification?

I'm still voting for tictac.

I'm not FOSing DVa or anyone else for simply bringing up the scum pt, but something in how DVa reacted to the situation just didn't sit right with me. If I was totally convinced I would have already switched my vote over to DVa but for now I feel comfortable with my vote on tictac.

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VOTE: Polo

???

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You're trying to make sense of NotMaf. That was your first mistake.

After a quick look at his meta, I see that...

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By post 80 he had *shown at least a small modicum of thought* and *reacted to people in the game*

Stop being manipulative. Did he post 80 posts yet? Did anyone? How long did it take him to get to 80 posts in that game (since the game started)? How long has this game been going?

VOTE: DVa

If I hadn't done it already.

You say you want to lynch scum but this vote is pure OMGUS.

Honestly, I am with Dva on this. NM is bringing nothing but confusion/irritation. I don't want his scum hunting abilities on D6 when that means I have to sit though 5 days of his nonsense.

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You say you want to lynch scum but this vote is pure OMGUS.

How can it be OMGUS when her push is on N_M and not me? I am trying my best to get her to redirect her attention to me still.

Then why such a quick unvote?

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UNVOTE: tictac

Moving him back to L-2.

N_M is already on the wagon = No quick hammers. You should've left him @L-1 for me to state intent and demand a claim. tictac has just finished a game with me and he knows well this is my playstyle. For better or worse he should've deduced this is NAI at worst.

You know, you could put him back at L-1 yourself

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Tac already said he's not interested in lynching anyone outside A50/Not_Mafia. And that too, not because they're his top scumreads, just policy alone. I really wish we all agreed on a course of action there, and moved past that.

What course of action(s) do you suggest?
Are you not happy with tictac's L-2? Can you present a better option for a D1 lynch with the info we have now?

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ah true metagaming annoys me too i feel ya

I don't really get into the metagaming unless I was actually in the game mentioned and the player in question made some type of pos/neg impression. I think there is too much context to read in metagaming and honestly I just don't have the desire to look into it.

That being said, if others take the time to do it and post their thoughts I will take it in to account but just because Player A did Action B in Game C, I don't use it as a tell-all for the this game.

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BEF you wanna hit us with a bright eyed reads list?

I've not pieced together enough as of yet to make a comprehensive read list. Most of you are sitting on my null fence. However, here is my current thinking:

My vote is still on tictac and will remain. I've not got a better option right now.
I'm still being critical of DVa for the same reasons in post 68.

I've got auro leaning town right now. I didn't like his unvote of tictac but his explanation and looking elsewhere besides tictac sits well with me. Even if I am right about tictac, he isn't the only scum out there and questioning others is good for the game.

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@NM
Why fugu?

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Well here we go...

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Any questions?

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Clem und Elsa = Scum

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VOTE: Elsa Jay

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Picking the last 2 people to join your wagon as scum

despite the fact they are not related in the slightest

is frankly a move without thought.

You could get away with reading me as Scum.

You could get away with reading Clementine as Scum.

But saying both of us are scum together? Horrible play.

Standard response for a standard scum player.

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^ i love it when people do my job for me

and the ditto from your scum partner

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I'm 100% sure EJ is not town

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@BEF: Any detailed reasoning? I'm not sharing that view.

I don't need detailed reasoning when I have facts.

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Hammer me and we go down 0-2 instead of 1-1

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That's assuming Scum gets town with a nk

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I've pretty much claimed.

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I'm 100% sure EJ is not town

How can anyone be truly 100% in this game on D1? What would they need to be?

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pocyad

Thats for NM.

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Day is a modifier that is normal, yes.

If he was legit though, I see no world where he tries to throw Clem under the bus as well. So he's trying for a mislynch on me because he was caught.

I'm not gonna claim if people start to run me up over a scum claiming daycop on me. A Day 1 cop at that.

I followed my gut, got the anti town response about you. Lucky guess, but paid off. I got to L-1 and figuring I would get hammered, I had to unload.

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Clem is just another gut feeling, the same I got from reading you posts.

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so you're trying to drive two lynches back to back right after getting wagoned up

We can worry about you on D2.

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due to "gut feeling?"




mate

How else should I choose to investigate D1.

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This game has become shockingly dull

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Auro why don't you join me here and try it on for size

Still dull?

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If I were wrong about the 2 scum on my wagon, I would have already been hammered by now.

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if you really are a daycop and this is how you've decided to lay out your claim, this is a half-step from gamethrowing

What good would I be if I got lynched on D1?

At least now we either lynch me or EJ. If EJ goes down, 1 less scum to worry about, if I go down then EJ goes tomorrow after I'm confirmed.

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best part is you didn't even need to try this half-baked attempt at a defense because the point of the wagon wasn't to get you lynched, it was to get you to talk
we've got what, like 9 days left?

Yeah this is actually a good point. Why did you claim before someone declared intent

Intent is not always declared. I thought it best to throw my information out there so long as I was able to

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if intent wasnt declared and you turn out town everyone would be on that like flies to honey
that's a bad excuse

Its a bad excuse maybe. But it happens way too often.

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That doesn’t make sense. If you were quickhammered, which I don’t think anyone besides not mafia would do and he’s already on your wagon, and you really flipped day cop, your flip would confirm your investigation result, so that still doesn’t explain why you claimed?

Here is my thought for how my claim benefits town.

We now know EJ is anti-town.

My claim makes me a perfect NK for scum unless they have a better option.

That means any other PR will only be NK'd out of dumb scum luck if they don't choose me.

I don't see how this is so hard.
EJ is anti-town, don't let it get anymore twisted.

Lynch EJ.

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I never said anything about multiball, you somehow pulled that out

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That's assuming Scum gets town with a nk

Yet you completely ignore the fact you tried to say this was Multiball, or even claiming Doc/Roleblocker would suffice this sentence.

You threw all that away with a Daycop claim.

WHat I meant with "That's assuming Scum gets town with a nk" is
It's possible that scum doesn't get town with a NK because their target are protected or something similar.

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THEN WHY DO YOU ASSUME THERE IS A DOCTOR AS A FUCKING DAYCOP.

Think of Balance, bro. A Daycop WITHOUT macho and you think there's a Doc in a 10p?

All I know is that you are anti-town.

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THEN WHY DO YOU ASSUME THERE IS A DOCTOR AS A FUCKING DAYCOP.

Think of Balance, bro. A Daycop WITHOUT macho and you think there's a Doc in a 10p?

All I know is that you are anti-town.

you keep saying shit like this
do you have any idea how it sounds

Sorry if it sounds bad, its the truth.

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can you please stop pretending that you've solved the entire game right from day one

I've only solved two things.

My alignment and EJ's.

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What have you helped town with?

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What have you helped town with?

The fact you haven't read up on me this game yet decide to "daycop" me and have not supporting evidence is even more telling.

Call it a "gut feeling" or just random luck, but I picked you out. There wasn't any specific post or act you did that made me do it.
I just thought I need to know if EJ is town or not before I trust/ignore what shes saying. You can maybe even take that as a compliment.

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Ha.
Ha.
Ha.

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This is a truly beautiful counterclaim.

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Why did you check a50s slot

Don't let her get in your head. Of course she can as scum say in confidence who is town.

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Ha.
Ha.
Ha.

This is the part where you retract your claim and say your a VT screwing around to call bullshit on my Daycop and informed mafia claim.

Or this is the part whete you get lynched as scum who outted the real Daycop.

Make your choice.

I will gladly take the lynch just to prove you are scum.

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Ha.
Ha.
Ha.

This is the part where you retract your claim and say your a VT screwing around to call bullshit on my Daycop and informed mafia claim.

Or this is the part whete you get lynched as scum who outted the real Daycop.

Make your choice.

SO I'm VT now?? I thought you said I was scum?

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Please don't fall for this people. What else can I say?
EJ is anti-town.

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Elsa The Eccentric

Abilities: Lucky guesses,

Never claiming VT on the stand regardless of alignment,

Role-playing, and urge to fuck around with people, enemy or ally.

So quick question: do we all want to basically start the real game now or later?

I can get us ice cream

for either occasion.

Was originally gonna claim Vanilla Cop, but then this fucker came along with this.

I guess I'm not the only one flailing.

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Because he dinged me first and basically outted me as a PR, that's why.

Plus I dont like dying n1 so he made me sad.

Work the sympathy.

You didn't out yourself because you are no daycop. Unless its a scum daycop.

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So are you backing out of your Daycop claim yet?

lol

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You're relentless.

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And your scum or stupid VT.

Claim one.

Persistent.

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you seemed just as confident about elsa as me back then, what changed?

I am as confident as I can be about you. Of course sometimes my reads are wrong but EJ isn't a read.

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Ok. I am going to try and put myself in EJ's shoes to explain her behavior after she was confscum.

She gets confirmed as scum and tries to think of a way out.
Of course the first step is to deny.

And then by her counterclaim she is trying to discredit me.

She thinks I'm playing bad for claiming so early but she does the same thing and isn't even under the pressure. It was still looking like I would be lynched since no one had switched their vote to EJ.

Why would she need to claim now?

I can understand it would make sense for her to claim once the votes started coming on her wagon.

Let's say I'm lying and I flip scum, there would be no need for her to claim and for town to lose a PR.

It's calculated and obvious.

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you seemed just as confident about elsa as me back then, what changed?

I am as confident as I can be about you. Of course sometimes my reads are wrong but EJ isn't a read.

that's exactly what i wanted to hear

give me your reasoning
i understand that in your side of the story elsa isn't a read that you can't explain in any other way than "you just know", but what's your case against me?

I'll get to that once we get rid of EJ.

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The fact your going this far up your ass is frankly almost impressive at this point, Fish.

I could probably say the same about you.

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@BEF: Since it seems likely ATM that you'll be lynched, you might as well give your thoughts on clem right now.

Clem's posts seem full of fluff without any honest commitment.
Examples:

okay so first off after reading over things again i really don't like tictacs slot because of how he tried to supress the game and then subsequently bailed on his slot
you (auro) and elsa are the strongest townreads in my eyes just by default in how you're driving the game forward
dva is also coolio on my eyes for the same reasons but a bit less so
uh
who else is relevant in this game
um, almost50 is kinda null for me, i guess

i know i essentially just said what town's probably been thinking but i don't really have any reads that stand out from the crowd atm

hell, i'll hop on that and i wanna see more of how tictacs replacement is gonna play the slot so
VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Clem's wishy washy take on tictac irked me too. Then Clem just jumps on the newest wagon and voila, here we are.

ah right okay i should move my vote off tictac since i don't see him as any particular alignment
or actually idk there's nothing bad about early pressure

okay so first off after reading over things again i really don't like tictacs slot because of how he tried to supress the game and then subsequently bailed on his slot
you (auro) and elsa are the strongest townreads in my eyes just by default in how you're driving the game forward
dva is also coolio on my eyes for the same reasons but a bit less so
uh
who else is relevant in this game
um, almost50 is kinda null for me, i guess

hell, i'll hop on that and i wanna see more of how tictacs replacement is gonna play the slot so
VOTE: BrightEyedFish

I get there isn't much here, but the way she just followed EJ (and by this time I knew her alignment) just pushed Clem straight into my scumpile.

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if you do turn out town though, oh boy i've got some explaining to do

You can start now. There is no if.

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Correction: if he flips Daycop, explanation is needed. If he's a VT you don't have to do shit.

nah, (he's) gonna get to that now
stop trying to avoid the subject

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i mean does it? it just feels like he's taking everything really out of context
how does this help our case

Our case?

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Scumslip?

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Yeah, I really gotta ask why Fish did what he did.

I knew what you were scum. if i had pulled my claim back after you CCd then you probably would have gotten towncred and I would have still been lynched.

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But you didn't know I was scum. You also had the same feeling about Clem... Who was the Bodyguard.

Well, I had a hypothesis and it was proven true

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and the effort you put into post 131 was very early on scumtelling.

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but gg you did well. maybe we will meet again out there somewhere