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VOTE: ap

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Hi

Fix your vote

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What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise

Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?

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What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise

Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?

Do you think anyone could possibly do that?

No

Which is why I'm curious as to why you need to work from that basis

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Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

Garmr has the highest red count. Why aren't you voting there?

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Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
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Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

Garmr has the highest red count. Why aren't you voting there?

Have you checked why that might be?

I dont find troll posting AI if that is what you're asking

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I think we are referring to garmr as trolling (I certainly was)

Yes.

Why would it make sense to rate posts as like/dislike as opposed to scummy/not scummy?

@creature can you weigh in on this?

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VOTE: DVa

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VOTE: creature

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VOTE: DVa

Why.

That's a strange choice.

Lots of setup spec with no scumhunting

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Flubb why are you voting Creature instead of dva now? I wanted to sheep the first vote.

I want creature locked into exactly what they are trying to convey with their records, and a wagon is a good motivation for that

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This I don't like as it's trying to explain creatures actions despite him saying earlier it's better to ask why.

I dont get this.

Profii made worthwhile accusations that people should be thinking about as the game progresses.

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Does an AP wagon truly need a reason?

At this point in the game it would be nice

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I still am waiting for creature to actually develop a read or at least vote

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I am only caught up to the early nos/seph interaction, which reads like scum theater to me. It started as an argument about bolding a name (uhhhh) and then turned into really shallow snipes at each other about who has more game forwarding content. Neither of them tried reading into motivations for the way each is posting.

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I actually have been looking at the thread throughout the day, just hadn’t had anything to say, and normally I can’t say that without it coming off as scum just active lurking, but I can say it, cuz I’m confTownBoon, the second best kind, right after the “Damn it, Boon.”.

This made me laugh

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xx2008/

Carcalilly

/Maxous/Garmr/Inferno390/Creature/FA_Q2/

Shattiel

/Completly Trustworthy/Flubbernugget/DVa

This is how my "unsorted" lynch pool looks like. The others are either TRs or Town leans for now.

Out of the crowd I'm slightly more pinged by the bolded. Carca basically for doing the exact same thing she did in a recent previous game when she was scum and tried to fake a connection with a town slot. Shattiel bc I suspect this to be someone I know and the 2nd post of hers (she only posted 2) is somewhat worrying if my guess is correct.

Of the two I'd give Shattiel a bit more time, but if this lurking continues and she only pops up to say "hi, I'm here, greetings," and so forth I suggest to lynch with fire. Also if she decides to completely vanish off the face of the planet we should lynch the slot. (If anyone knows for sure who Shattiel is and can confirm she's

not the person I'm describing

step up now, please).

Also keeping an eye on Creature. It's not the count of his posts, but rather the content. So far it's a lot of noise so it's NAI, because that's how he would start the game as either alignment of late. As Town though he will provide some reads and commit to them (sometimes spot on, sometimes garbage reads, but he will commit to them and argue for his PoV). As scum he still finds it hard to come up with a good reason to vote anyone, so there's that.

I need more time to try and sort Maxous, FA_Q2 & Flubber. I can't promise I'll ever return a confident read on the likes of Garmr, Inferno & DVa, but we will see.

xx & CT I'll leave for someone else to sort.

So this is a pretty big lynch pool. Even for a wip. I am going to be paying close attention to how it gets whittled down.

What does it mean to have players in it that you cant sort? And why cant you sort them?

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So this is a pretty big lynch pool. Even for a wip. I am going to be paying close attention to how it gets whittled down.

What does it mean to have players in it that you cant sort? And why cant you sort them?

In a 20 man game I don't see a problem with a wide early game lynchpool.

Why is Carca bolded here but not addressed in your questioning?

Did AP catch a partner or two in that net?

There's 12 people in the pool. That's 60% of the game. That's like (generously) saying you're okay to lynch 5 out of 9 in a micro.

Additionally, poe in a large is significantly worse than that ratio gives off just because most people can only hold a small list of ideas at one time. There's a lot of room for scum to hide in that mental load. I get that sometimes the whole game just looks town, but when that happens to me, I try to be as precise about why I am town reading each individual as possible.

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to ask about carca. AP bolded that and I do think they explained why in the same post.

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I best remember Flubb for helping me win a game as scum despite wavemode having essentially a guilty on me at the time.

Good times.

I still concede that bringing an investigation to lylo is a gamethrow.

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is it scum theatre because it looks fake or do you just wanna be a rebel, nugget?

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shh, they can't know yet

Yes. It looked fake. I am perplexed as to how you could infer otherwise.

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Tempting offer

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shots fired..
I thought for sure flubb would come charging at me

...and this would have helped you tell my alignment?

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VOTE: shattiel

Found the coasting scum

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I kind of have bad vibes on DVa but I really don't know why yet...

They entered the game with setup spec and no reads (something I have already mentioned).

That's pretty fishy, and for better reason than "bad vibes"

I'm starting to think you're just pulling soft stances out of your ass

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Just telling everyone ahead of time I'm probably not reading this upcoming pissing match

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Shattiel

Who is scum?

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It's also why you're scum!

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AP

Have you whittled down that lynch pool at all?

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The town play on MS continues to descend right down the pooper

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The one that says "wait for maxous to confirm the masonry and do something else in the meantime"

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The one that says "wait for maxous to confirm the masonry and do something else in the meantime"

garm or trustworthy?
When did you start townreading one or both of them?

What

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AP

Have you whittled down that lynch pool at all?

I'm working on it.

Day is almost half over.

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Day is almost half over.

why is Sephiroth a better lynch than you flubber?

They're both trash lynches

Next question

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Hey flavor

Maxous is town

Sorry about that

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Trustworthy's thought process is too simple but I trust that he actually believes what he's saying.

Trust me, CT is anything but simple. Learned the hard way in his scum game.
He's become a town lean for me in this game .

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Are you sheeping CT?

Because he's voting me over a post I've made as scum, town, and as no alignment outside of mafia games. And it's a sentiment that a lot of players on MS feel, so it's not like it's an off character thing for me to say either.

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And what ever he's saying about how I've interacted with shattiel vs how garmr did it is literally just dancing around a word count thing. Some people take a lot of words to explain that someone isnt scumhunting. I dont.

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I dont think I ever said I had a read on either (though garmr comes off as gut town and I do find CT scummy as of recent)

So I have no clue why you're asking that question, what you expect it to accomplish, or how it's related to any of the dumbness surrounding your Mason "gambit"

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It wasn't a particular player. It was the notion in general that the claim was worth investigating *at all* without having maxous check in

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If you're going to fake scumhunting, you should do better than trying to contrive scumslips. They dont work. Period.

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I am behind and will catch up tomorrow

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Day is almost half over.

why is Sephiroth a better lynch than you flubber?

They're both trash lynches

Next question

So why did you think Seph was a trash lynch here?

Spoiler:

I am only caught up to the early nos/seph interaction, which reads like scum theater to me. It started as an argument about bolding a name (uhhhh) and then turned into really shallow snipes at each other about who has more game forwarding content. Neither of them tried reading into motivations for the way each is posting.

is it scum theatre because it looks fake or do you just wanna be a rebel, nugget?

performer...
shh, they can't know yet

Yes. It looked fake. I am perplexed as to how you could infer otherwise.

So I can summarize my catch up basically by responding to this post.

First and foremost, scum theater is an association between two unflipped players. You dont push that as scum without flips. That's mafia 101.

Why are you throwing weak shade? And why are you testing the waters with weak shade to vote me once others approve of it?

Second, sephiroth was a trash wagon, and is even more a trash wagon with FL doing everything short of admitting the scum read is a vendetta. There was no explanation from the gate, and the wagon started off of sheeping FL via countdown status. That's not acceptable. Conftown is still probably going to hit town in their reads unless they have a damn good case.

Seph is probably town, and if they do end up flipping town, it's guaranteed scum were crawling over that wagon.

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I have shattiel and carcallily as coasting scum

I have ofrhz as playing scum poorly. VOTE: ofrhz

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I'm still mad I called out guerrilla as textbook scum, flipped town, and then still got ignored

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I skimmed through the posts I missed, and I kind of feel like dva is somewhat scummy in terms of wagons, but I can also see some genuine scum hunting.

Agreed

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I skimmed through ofrhz's posts, and some of them do appear to be scum playing poorly. I've seen him twice vote someone simply because others were voting that person.

Testing the waters bugged me a lot more than the bad case

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First and foremost, scum theater is an association between two unflipped players. You dont push that as scum without flips. That's mafia 101.

So, why shade an interaction as scum theater if you don't push it as scum without a flip?

Because its early into the game and being transparent about your thoughts is a good way to towntell and it makes the interactions harder to forget in the case one of them flips scum

Pedit: one of the scum theater and the sketch wagon were not alignment indicative then. I don't know what the big deal about being wrong early game is over.

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I'm sleeping people's flubb cases.

Groan

I will thumb through the "cases" on my wagon after work