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VOTE: shortaru

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Tell me what you learned

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Catch up by the end of the night

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There's not much to relish

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VOTE: fuwa fuwa time

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Ari of TiC was supposed to have solid reads on like page 5 and we still haven't seen them

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I don't fully understand what happened here...

Thor is using content from an ongoing game to meta Gamma, and Gamma is baiting Thor into sharing details about that content which would get Thor in trouble with the site mods if he were to do so.

Yeah, I have to trace who egged who on to start that mess, but even then I dont really think Gamma makes cunning plays akin to Thor's accusation

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Btw shortaru do you have scum reads other than thor?

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So my meta is correct but only if I'm up to date on you and because you can't recall any games we've played recently (and apparently have decided I never read other games) then you're going to question my call on this correct meta and even back Sortaru on his really clumsy and (as far as I can tell) misreading what I'm saying attack on the meta as though he had a valid point.

Woah

Uhhh

There's a lot of really subtle use of "correct meta" here that tries to hand wave when or when not that meta was of good use

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I suggest people reread that part of 255, also reading what it is a direct response to

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You and I both know even if stuff is {redacted} I'm not only able to pull from a distant past with you, and maybe if I'm not pulling from a distant past I might have done more recent research.
Your issue here is blatant hogwash.

This is the first reference to doing the naughty thing that I caught onto. Maybe there was something more subtle or I skimmed too carelessly?

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Uh yeah thor, that's not baiting you. It's doubting your meta on gamma. Which if you cant talk about, I am going to doubt too. If you're this confident in gamma being scum you should be able to sell a case with tells outside of this meta conversation.

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There was other stuff I wanted to look at but now I forget what it was

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Uh, thanks I guess

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Hm
Recalled something wrong, I thought among his list of meta theories was one about not interacting with scumreads being stupid

What is this in reference to?

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Specifically, what post?

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I don't fully understand what happened here...

Thor is using content from an ongoing game to meta Gamma, and Gamma is baiting Thor into sharing details about that content which would get Thor in trouble with the site mods if he were to do so.

Why is the bating more wrong then trying to use ongoing meta in the first place?

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I'd argue that pushing a case you cant talk about is just as AI as calling that out, if not more AI

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I'd argue that pushing a case you cant talk about is just as AI as calling that out, if not more AI

AI as in significantly scummy in and of itself?

I didn't speak to the significance. Just that thor and gamma are being equally stupid about this.

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I thought it was passing the buck a bit.

Who has ever, as scum, passed the buck in RVS? I'd love to see an example of that ever.

Oh wait it’s the inverse
Why do you expect scum!me to be more active than town!me Thor?

My general experience and opinion of your play.
Are you claiming I'm wrong?

I don’t know any specific examples but I think I vaguely remember ver some instance of the passing the buck thing

re: meta Scumread, I’d say your meta was right if you had played with me recently, but our last game together was Newbie 1836, which was before my meta shift, so your evidence is wrong despite having a valid thought process. I don’t recall rolling scum in a game with you in it even.

Alright thor

Is this the post where gamma admits that your meta of him is correct? Because he just says your thought processes are valid. When he says your evidence is wrong, that's basically saying they aren't sound. You need both soundness and validity to be correct.

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I felt like it could be a thing because it made sense as a possible intent.

If you were currrent with me, I wouldn’t question your meta on me since it is right. But since you’re not, I perceive that you are making a faulty argument. I don’t trust you using outdated yet incorrect meta to form a scumread on me, even if it is correct meta nowadays.

This post removes any sense of ambiguity that gamma could be conceding that you're correct with exception to the meta you have no right to try and case someone with anyway.

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And again, if gamma is scum, you should be able to knock the ace attorney shit off and find scum tells outside of this meta argument.

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Actually, my 376 is wrong.

Its "

even if

you have correct meta"

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Also of note is that there is no counterwagon to this gamma nonsense

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Also of note is that there is no counterwagon to this gamma nonsense

Yes there is.

Don't blame Thor just because your chosen push is not going as well.

Uhhh, it's not blaming anything?

Its saying scum usually try to direct the town to a new wagon when one of their buddies are in danger. Which isnt happening here. Can you tell me why that is?

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You can literally iso the mod and see you're dead wrong in under 30s.

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Votecount 1.01

shortaru: Flubbernugget
Carcalilly: BBmolla, shortaru
SirCakez: Wisdom
Fuwa Fuwa Time (2): Gamma Emerald, Akarin
ThoseInCharge: SirCakez
Gamma Emerald: ThoseInCharge
Thor665: Fuwa Fuwa Time


Not voting (3): Thor665, Celestial Coordinates, Creature
No lynch: no one
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on (expired on 2018-11-07 16:12:53)


Moderator notes: please see "events" part of post 1 for more information

Unless you're arguing that rvs doesnt count but that's how the gamma wagon started too

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I'll give you that rvs isnt the most telling, but saying the that the votes initially moved from FFT to gamma and cant come back points to gamma being town.

More importantly, a lot of people are jumping on it off of Thor's word which is incredibly suspicious.

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What exactly is your read on FFT?

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Do you have any comments on why I think Thor's push is bad?

You dont like the cw theory.

I still have issue with how I think thor is twisting gamma's words into a narrative, and the fact that this seems to be the only way thor can push gamma as scum.

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With an awareness that the bolded is, functionally, a lie in his dismissal of my ability to read him

Cite this pls

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He's also admitting I'm right about his current meta presuming I know his current meta - which I do.

Same here

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And if the answer is "I'm cornering you into breaking the rules" the REAL answer is "I have no reason to trust your read"

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I don’t trust you using outdated yet incorrect meta to form a scumread on me, even if it is correct meta nowadays.

This?

So you're talking about "if it is correct meta nowadays?"

Because, that doesnt presume the meta is correct.

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Gamma,

Do you believe thor's current meta on you is correct?

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Gamma,

Do you believe thor's current meta on you is correct?

rn I believe he tried to push me and created a web of lies with his meta read that he’s now ensnared in.

Nope. Not what I wanted.

Yes, no, or tell me what he does and doesnt know about your meta.

If I get any other sort of answer I am voting for you.

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VOTE: gamma

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So depending on which of these he has read will determine how correct I view his current meta on me

No

You literally didn't

What kind of crazy land am I conscious in right now

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So then

You didn't do what I asked you to do

And I voted

As promised

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737 - you are town, start slow, spike activity, drift off.
2033 - town, slow roll start
Uncompleted game I did read - you are town, start strong drift off
2023 - scum, strong presence till near end replaceout
2035 - town, quick dropoff
214 - town slow roll that never really picks up
215 - town steady and good presence
2019 - town, slow start, never picks up
213 - scum, constant strong presence
Heroes Wanted - town constant presence
2028 - town okay start, strong dropoff
2018 - town slow start

Uh

That's it?

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Side note

FFT is not scumhunting. At all. And that should be painfully obvious to the entire game

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CC

Will you vote fft with me tomorrow if I vote TiC today

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Do you think gamma and thor are both scum?

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Honestly, I am not following the trajectory on either your thor or gamma reads at all

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Shortaru

You said you completely understood what thor was getting at with his gamma case. Do you reject that case now that you are voting for thor?

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I feel like the amount of shit flinging they're all doing has to have at least one scum fueling the fire of it. Like clearly nobody else cares about the minutiae of their argument but they keep vomiting it all over the thread, which makes me feel like one of them has to be doing it intentionally to keep fucking the thread.
idk maybe that's a fallacy but it's the vibe I'm feeling

I don't know what to make of how dishonest they are both coming off as

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VOTE: tic

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Thor you're going full Dunning-Kruger here

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Welp we're going to no lynch today aren't we

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Unless people wise up and Lynch Thor, maybe.

That wagon only has two votes. I actually make the no lynch dilemma worse if I switch there

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I am not unvoting Thor even to avoid a no lynch

If you all want to jerk off about your pet scumreads instead of lynch scum then that's your prerogative but Thor is literally guiltied scum and Wisdom is probably his scumbuddy trying to use TICs bad associatives to get the lynch there instead and nightkill me

Play better

Why dont you literally fucking think before you post like literally just fucking once because then you'd fucking realize how fucking stupid you fucking sound being on a fucking 2 man wagon and then telling everyone else that they're the fucking ones with the pet fucking scum reads

Fucking play better

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I'm half tempted to find the last game I saw you replace out of because your feelings were hurt to look for examples of how to get under your skin and make you leave again but that would probably be breaking a small handful of site rules

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@Flubber - that was rude and weird. Did I piss you off with something? Why are you insulting me after seeing the logic of my case earlier?

Is this about the dunning Kruger thing?

Cuz, if you really think everyone but you is an idiot...well...the conclusion that falls out of it is what it is, and trying to grandstand with a hypocritical appeal to civility doesnt change that

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Sorry but this is something I want to get off my chest for now:

Are some people (Gamma, BBmolla) reading us based on Ari's posting only? Sorry but this is a huge insult to me as I've been the one putting the most work into this slot, so it pains me when I'm like ignored.

yikes

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I'm just going off thors count that cakez is l1. I will vote in an hour

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This soft support for a tic lynch 2 hrs before deadline gives me scum vibes

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Nvmnd. 3 votes plus 2 I'm arounds still gets a no lynch.