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[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time
No slipping away from me this time!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TGP
Stop voting my mason buddy

[Gamma Emerald]

I am the Ultimate Mage, Himiko Yumenoooo.

[Gamma Emerald]

...
Well that failed epically.
Yeah we’re not masons, just wanted to see how people reacted to an early claim, but Carcalilly reacting like this is perfectly acceptable too.

[Gamma Emerald]

Carcalilly isn’t in a mood to take a mason claim and ride it unless she’s extremely clueless
she attempted to rolefish me quite blatantly

Read there is lean town but there are some things in those points I’m ehhh about
Btw before I did that thing, Carca was reading town

[Gamma Emerald]

What does fix yourself up mean

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote count in post 32 has been corrected for:
Gamma Emerald replacing TheGoldenParadox
Bbmolla replacing Light Ethos
Celestial Coordinates replacing Nancy Drew Shogunate

Sorry about the errors, Performer is not responsible for the Vote Count Settings but is responsible for replacements, we'll work on coordination

Tfw I self-vote in RVS...ACCUDENTALLY...

[Gamma Emerald]

Enough, ladies you’re both beautiful
Also I looked at the rules because I wanted to see if there was any setup info, and there’s a clause that the mafia MUST make a kill each night. Interesting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not meant that way but w/e
Thoughts on the clause itself?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald

Sheeping Those in Charge. Think that's town.
Willing to buy BBmolla and Shotaru as town also.

People should sheep me.

Maybe it feels like there’s “too much effort” because I was trying a gambit?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah gamma is town

If we have a single mislynch, I'm going to BoP scumread you. Fair?

Even if Wisdom is on the scum counterwagon?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah gamma is town

If we have a single mislynch, I'm going to BoP scumread you. Fair?

Even if Wisdom is on the scum counterwagon?

We wouldn't know that, would we?

Well I was trying to make an extreme point to demonstrate you’re me language used is rather unfair-sounding
If you said “If you are on a single mislynch I’m BoPing you” that would have been a different case.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sheeping Those in Charge. Think that's town.
Willing to buy BBmolla and Shotaru as town also.

People should sheep me.

If you're sheeping TiC, anyone else voting the player you're voting wouldn't, by definition, be sheeping you.

Also, do you really think 70 comes from scum?

I disagree with how you think sheeping works.

How do you see it not coming from scum exactly?

Maybe it feels like there’s “too much effort” because I was trying a gambit?

Maybe?
I'm sheeping him more due to my reads, I don't find your slot townish and I find him townish.
I will generally agree I find you a bit more involved already than I would expect from you being town, but that might also be early game excitement. Either way you're still a fine vote at this juncture.

What do you think of Shortaru defending you for pointing out something stated in the ruleset? Is he daft for buying that, or am I daft for considering it NaI?

I think it’s odd he’s defending that after calling it LAMIST.
VOTE: shortaru
I also feel like his Wisdom push is kinda scummy after digging into his thinking

[Gamma Emerald]

I also feel like his Wisdom push is kinda scummy after digging into his thinking

It wasn't a push.

It was snark.

You thought that was a push? Seriously?

You defended your position, so I took it as a push.

I think it’s odd he’s defending that after calling it LAMIST.

I thought you said 70 wasn't LAMIST? Along with the fact nobody after that said it was, I revised my opinion.

Is town supposed to stubbornly hang onto faulty assumptions? I'll have to work on that.

I might have missed that revision.

[Gamma Emerald]

You defended your position, so I took it as a push.

Not really.

My point remains the same. Save your verbiage lawyering for someone who cares.

^ telling someone that takes something silly seriously to piss off isn't "defending my position".

w/e
Your response to Wisdom makes sense as snark I guess
Also I think the point about Thor using an appeal to authority to push me isn’t bad

[Gamma Emerald]

I also feel like his Wisdom push is kinda scummy after digging into his thinking

What's scummy with that?
I thought it was fine.[/quote]
I thought it was passing the buck a bit.

[Gamma Emerald]

That was responding to Thor fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

Also activity reading on page 3 like WHAT
I’m sorry I’m not posting several pages a day?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh wait it’s the inverse
Why do you expect scum!me to be more active than town!me Thor?

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought it was passing the buck a bit.

Who has ever, as scum, passed the buck in RVS? I'd love to see an example of that ever.

Oh wait it’s the inverse
Why do you expect scum!me to be more active than town!me Thor?

My general experience and opinion of your play.
Are you claiming I'm wrong?

I don’t know any specific examples but I think I vaguely remember ver some instance of the passing the buck thing

re: meta Scumread, I’d say your meta was right if you had played with me recently, but our last game together was Newbie 1836, which was before my meta shift, so your evidence is wrong despite having a valid thought process. I don’t recall rolling scum in a game with you in it even.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I expect Ari to make significant contributions of I’m prolly gonna lobby for his lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

That happened.
I second the motion for RC to share thoughts

[Gamma Emerald]

Thoughts on me/Thor/short?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TIC

just read the game this is transparently scum

Talk to me on this? I’m kinda leaning that way myself, but want to give Ari a chance to post

[Gamma Emerald]

I get it’s not just Ari
That’s why I’m suspecting it: Ari hasn’t done anything and I know he prefers Town

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m behind but shorteru seems like a solid fucking policy lynch

Naahh. Unfortunately BBMolla just seems to have a habit of making shit pushes as town

[Gamma Emerald]

carca's vaguely town to me

Sheep this

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know any specific examples but I think I vaguely remember ver some instance of the passing the buck thing

So...not really any example of why you think this is a thing then?
I again submit - it doesn't happen.
I can get Shortaru thinking it's a thing, because a few seconds looking at his play, yeah. Why do you think it's a thing?

re: meta Scumread, I’d say your meta was right if you had played with me recently, but our last game together was Newbie 1836, which was before my meta shift, so your evidence is wrong despite having a valid thought process. I don’t recall rolling scum in a game with you in it even.

So my meta is correct but only if I'm up to date on you and because you can't recall any games we've played recently (and apparently have decided I never read other games) then you're going to question my call on this correct meta and even back Sortaru on his really clumsy and (as far as I can tell) misreading what I'm saying attack on the meta as though he had a valid point.
I don't follow this from a town perspective - walk me through it?

I felt like it could be a thing because it made sense as a possible intent.

If you were currrent with me, I wouldn’t question your meta on me since it is right. But since you’re not, I perceive that you are making a faulty argument. I don’t trust you using outdated yet incorrect meta to form a scumread on me, even if it is correct meta nowadays.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we let Gamma respond to all this lol

Boi this is nothing

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I’m not anticipating you doing research, because why would you? And what research have you done anyway?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I’m not anticipating you doing research, because why would you? And what research have you done anyway?

I lost interest in discussing stuff with you about the time you claimed I would have no recent meta on you after agreeing my meta conclusion was right and being aware we do have recent interactions that could easily lead to me having more recent meta awareness of you. Also, when you said that Shortaru's case on me had merit.
You're not dealing with this conversation honestly.

I don’t think you’re approaching this honestly if the second you’re forced to provide specific backing for your read you clam up.
VOTE: Thor

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually not a fan of 308.

Thor doesn't strike me at all as the type to clam up regardless of alignment.

Gamma, if Thor's meta on you is accurate, what's your beef?

My beef is that it was not accurate from his perspective as I thought it at the start of this game, and when he was asked to prove it made sense, he suddenly gets uppity about me not being honest. Which I think I might have his ass on actually.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm
Recalled something wrong, I thought among his list of meta theories was one about not interacting with scumreads being stupid

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait so is it Celestial Coordinates or RC or what

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't fully understand what happened here...

Thor is using content from an ongoing game to meta Gamma, and Gamma is baiting Thor into sharing details about that content which would get Thor in trouble with the site mods if he were to do so.

Lolno

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm
Recalled something wrong, I thought among his list of meta theories was one about not interacting with scumreads being stupid

What is this in reference to?

I was referencing 281

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually already thought Shortaru was town before I engaged him.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This only makes you scummier, because it means you have done less sorting on page 5, because posts 103 and 117 don't do much for you in your reads, but also 106, which I saw as either questioning short or convincing him of scum!Gamma, which is not in line with your stances on both of them.

103: This was mostly curiosity and maybe a potential teaching moment.
105: I was giving him my opinion of what Thor did/was doing. Wasn't so much a push as me trying to give my own take on the matter.
106: Just because I think someone is town doesn't mean I think everything someone does is town-indicative. I also wasn't completely sold on the 'self-vote' indicating town-Gamma (otherwise I probably wouldn't have been as open to discussing that read with Thor as I was in 109), and was interested in seeing if there was anything else that could point that direction (as in Shortaru seeing something that maybe other people don't). Also, just because someone agrees with me on a read, it doesn't make them town. And just because I think someone is town, it doesn't mean I'm right.
117: To my knowledge, this is supposedly Shortaru's first game with Wisdom. So I was curious as to why he didn't think Wisdom would explain his reads.

And if you read 115, you would see that I wasn't sure why he didn't think discussing his reads with me was productive. It was because I was trying to engage him and figure out his thoughts on some things and I wasn't really pushing to try and lynch him.

I also don't understand why you think that me already thinking someone is town means I'm doing 'less sorting' when I engage with them. I'm still free to question my own reads and change them in light of new information.

@FFT your post tags are broken

[Gamma Emerald]

What raised issue?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also of note is that there is no counterwagon to this gamma nonsense

Yes there is.

Don't blame Thor just because your chosen push is not going as well.

Excuse me? Flubber was towncasing me, where do you get “blaming Thor” from that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Votecount 1.02

shortaru (5): Flubbernugget, Akarin, Carcalilly, SirCakez, Gamma Emerald
Carcalilly: BBmolla
SirCakez: Wisdom
Fuwa Fuwa Time :
Gamma Emerald (2): ThoseInCharge, Thor665
Thor665 (2): Fuwa Fuwa Time, shortaru
Celestial Coordinates:
ThoseInCharge:
Flubbernugget:
Creature:
BBmolla:
Wisdom:
Akarin:


Not voting (2): Celestial Coordinates, Creature
No lynch: no one
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Gamma wagon behind here. Note zero votes on Fuwa Fuwa Time...

First vote on Fuwa Fuwa Time:

VOTE: fuwa fuwa time

Naked as a stripper at Little Darlings.

If Gamma flips red, Flubber needs wagoned next.

Is my name shortaru? Cos it looks like THAT is the leading wagon here.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TIC

just read the game this is transparently scum

Ok so here's where we stand right now

VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time

Man, did the joke really fly that far over your head...?

I wasn't completely caught up and thought he was serious when I asked the question.

How can a vanilla townie cc on the first few pages be serious?

I thought it could have been a Newbie mistake.

Mistake as in a newer player thinking that Vanilla was something they needed to CC.

This argument here makes no sense. I don't see anyone thinking that newbies would counterclaim vanilla, so claiming to think it was a newbie mistake is ridiculous. I also think that it is scummy, because I usually see this kind of out-of-the-world logic come from scum than town.

Earlier on I said I was evaluating FFT's posts on Page 5. That was because I felt that they were posturing to scumpaint shortaru given how much flak he already got. However I did a double take there because it could also be a town push. FFT ended up concluding shortaru town but given how their questions I see it as scummy.

-BNL

p.s. This slot has 2 heads, it's not just Ari

k

VOTE: Gamma

VOTE: ThoseInCharge

A few votes might motivate them to town up if they are.

If I see an opening for a Thor wagon, I'm abandoning ship.

VOTE: carca
you guys can fight me this is scum

Votecount 1.03

shortaru (3): Akarin, Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald
Carcalilly: SirCakez
SirCakez: Wisdom
Fuwa Fuwa Time (2): Flubbernugget, ThoseInCharge
Gamma Emerald (2): Thor665, BBmolla
Thor665 : Fuwa Fuwa Time
RadiantCowbells:
ThoseInCharge (2): RadiantCowbells, shortaru
Flubbernugget:
Creature:
BBmolla:
Wisdom:
Akarin:


Not voting : Creature
No lynch: no one
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on (expired on 2018-11-07 16:12:53)


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Votes following that until the next VC
Mmm your argument is feeling shaky.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not pretending it doesn’t exist? It’s a pretty big thing that happened, how is that even possible?
And am I just remembering wrong and we have a completed game together In forgetting/not aware of?

[Gamma Emerald]

That said, this is the scummiest thing about how the Shortaru wagon dissolved:

First!

VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time

First vote in the first post goes to the first player listed.

Too scummy post

Where's your vote?

When I finish catching up

Oh noes!

Not liking these

Creature, why no vote?

idk who to vote, man

If Shortaru is town, Creature is pushing the wagon without actually committing to it and jumping on in one of the more suspicious wagon positions.
If Shortaru is scum, Creature is set up to bus him if it looks inevitable.
Either way, VOTE: Creature

Well I’m not anticipating you doing research, because why would you? And what research have you done anyway?

I lost interest in discussing stuff with you about the time you claimed I would have no recent meta on you after agreeing my meta conclusion was right and being aware we do have recent interactions that could easily lead to me having more recent meta awareness of you. Also, when you said that Shortaru's case on me had merit.
You're not dealing with this conversation honestly.

I don’t think you’re approaching this honestly if the second you’re forced to provide specific backing for your read you clam up.
VOTE: Thor

VOTE: Gamma

hmmmmmmmmm
HMMMMMMMMMNN

That said,

VOTE: Gamma

I'm just disappointed in how this conclusion was reached.

Method matters.

While the numbers may not suggest it my initial thinking that I was actually a FFT cw might be right

[Gamma Emerald]

If you're aware of it, why are you asking me what issue I'm referencing? You went dead silent while I've been getting louder.
Not that I'm aware of.

Dead silent HOW?
And in that case, which games of mine have you read that are recent (recent in this case means I started that game in May of this year onward)?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you're aware of it, why are you asking me what issue I'm referencing? You went dead silent while I've been getting louder.
Not that I'm aware of.

Dead silent HOW?
And in that case, which games of mine have you read that are recent (recent in this case means I started that game in May of this year onward)?

Still can't reaally talk about my methodology, but basically i went and clicked on your threads and skimmed through a handful at the top for compare/contrast purposes.

I'm willing to go back and skim them again to try to recall specific games - but will only do so if you absolutely assure me this will;
1. Provide a game relevant interaction from you.
2. That you will explain how me bringing up meta you know is accurate and pointing out I'd checked recent games equates to you voting me. Because I'd love to hear that scumclaim explained.

Deal?
Because busywork is busy and empty as a question as far as I can see.

I can explain 2 fine: because the way you stopped talking told me there was no evidence. And FYI you presenting this won’t automatically improve how I perceive you: I have done meta to support my pushes as scum in the past. But if you seem honest following this I’ll reconsider.

[Gamma Emerald]

But yes I will interact meaningfully if you present this evidence

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma,

Do you believe thor's current meta on you is correct?

rn I believe he tried to push me and created a web of lies with his meta read that he’s now ensnared in.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma,

Do you believe thor's current meta on you is correct?

rn I believe he tried to push me and created a web of lies with his meta read that he’s now ensnared in.

Nope. Not what I wanted.

Yes, no, or tell me what he does and doesnt know about your meta.

If I get any other sort of answer I am voting for you.

Games I have with Thor:
Newbie 1836
Team Mafia White Flag
And a DDU I barely participated in and iirc replaced out of
All of those I was Town
These are my scumgames post-meta shift
Large Normal 213
Mini Normal 2023 (replaced out)
Mini theme 2032 (replaced in)
Mini 829
None of them Thor has been in.

So depending on which of these he has read will determine how correct I view his current meta on me

[Gamma Emerald]

I just need to find some other thing to keep posting here

Why are you forcing activity

[Gamma Emerald]

Why though
You forcing activity does not make you look Town
Post what you think is relevant, not to meet a quota

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay then.

[Gamma Emerald]

I tried to answer what Thor knew about my meta?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cos like, it’s not really black and white at this point. Without knowing exactly what meta Thor has on me I can’t make a call on whether it is valid. It’s why I’ve flipped out and ally-hunted people who claimed experience with me on an alt in the past.

[Gamma Emerald]

I tried to take that third option? What the fuck do you want from me?????

[Gamma Emerald]

While the numbers may not suggest it my initial thinking that I was actually a FFT cw might be right

Are you seriously suggesting that scum was so intimidated by RVS votes that they felt it was necessary to wagon you?

Wow.

Were the votes I quoted RVS? Nice discredit attempt, but no dice.

[Gamma Emerald]

You convenient ignore the FFT votes before those votes on me.

[Gamma Emerald]

You convenient ignore the FFT votes before those votes on me.

You mean the ones that were gone before your wagon started?

That’s 100% wrong. Flubber and TIC did not change votes between voting FFT and FFT voting me
Plus there’s the fact you were top wagon before then. Would you like me to theorize on that, because I think you might not like it

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I wasn’t the leading wagon at the point those FFT votes happened, you were
So it looks like FFT was counter to you and I was a counter to FFT

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I wasn’t the leading wagon at the point those FFT votes happened, you were
So it looks like FFT was counter to you and I was a counter to FFT

So, what's your theory? 2 Mafia teams and Mafia team 1 plus Mafia team 2 are all out to get you?

EBWOP

Counterwagon doesn’t always mean they’re different alignments
I’ve seen scum-scum counterwagons, and recently too

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry, I forgot our password lol

Reading up

This is Ari right

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not what I said
VOTE: shortaru
Twisting my words is a scum play, plain and simple

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
Then maybe you should apologize to Flubber

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
Then maybe you should apologize to Flubber

I'm open to hear what I should apologise for.

I didn't say anything I didn't believe when I said it, so where did I do anything wrong?

Not trying to be a contrarian, just trying to understand your perspective.

This arguments started with you and Flubber talking about FFT being or not being a scum counterwagon to me? So now that you’re admitting FFT could be scum you have ceded the point.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Thor665
I’ll wait a bit to vote TIC but I’m definitely leaning that way

[Gamma Emerald]

So, you and Fuwa may both be scum?

That's a fair point. I'll consider it.

I can see how you misunderstood this post, though.

I do apologise for not wording that more clearly. I didn't mean to imply that was what you were saying.

I understand that
That’s why I swapped back

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Thor665
I’ll wait a bit to vote TIC but I’m definitely leaning that way

why wait a bit

Because I want to see what Ari does

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I might have something on Thor

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so:
I was talking to Ranmaru on Discord and we talked about some old games, and he mentioned some past history with Thor that has made me think he’s scum here. Two things Ranmaru talked about Thor being like as scum was his “killing intent” and his what I summed up as his lack of banter. The killing intent is basically how aggressive Thor is in pushing his reads. I think this point makes Thor scum, as he clearly has that killing intent against me. As for the lack of banter, Thor will make jokes in his town games, but not in his scum games. I don’t recall Thor making any jokes, do you?
Also, fuck you for twisting my words Thor. I merely said I’d interact there, you’re adding your bullshit to it and it pisses me off. You’re the one who shut down the conversation in the first place, then you call me the one who isn’t engaging, ask me to engage, and when I say I will make sure to do that because I want you to stop hiding behind your attitude you act like it’s a signed confession.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wrt “lying” about meta awareness:
HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU READ MY GAMES YOU KOOK? THAT SORT OF TWISTY SHIT IS WHY I HAVE ALT HUNTED PEOPLE WHI CLAIMED EXPERIENCE WITH ME ON AN ALT: IT IS DECEITFUL AND PUTS THE VICTIM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CANT EFFECTIVE DEFEND.

[Gamma Emerald]

Now to actually adddress this

737 - you are town, start slow, spike activity, drift off.
2033 - town, slow roll start
Uncompleted game I did read - you are town, start strong drift off
2023 - scum, strong presence till near end replaceout
2035 - town, quick dropoff
214 - town slow roll that never really picks up
215 - town steady and good presence
2019 - town, slow start, never picks up
213 - scum, constant strong presence
Heroes Wanted - town constant presence
2028 - town okay start, strong dropoff
2018 - town slow start

737: Don’t recall that being a slow start
2033: think the entire game started slow
2023: I think I had a drop off there
2035: I don’t think this is accurate at all, but blitz game might be screwing with that
214: replaced into a claimed PR with no reason to effort beyond pushing whatever I saw as scummy
215: accurate
2019: accurate
213: eh I dropped off in spots
Heroes Wanted: same as 213
2028: don’t recall any drop off
2018: accurate
I’m consistently noticing that a lot of these seem to have small errors, so I think he’s not factoring in post density of others and only post spread of my own posts.

[Gamma Emerald]

More explicitly - he wouldn't vote me over it even if he was super hard line about site rules.
Open your eyes.

I never voted you until you clammed up.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think gamma and thor are both scum?

No.

Honestly, I am not following the trajectory on either your thor or gamma reads at all

I tend to bounce around in the early game.

So you think it’s one but not both?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Cakez pls address my 523

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree that Thor's onemindedness is scummy.
But what makes your tunnel better?

Okay, nice to see you’re underselling my opinion.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Ari I can get inactive, but you haven’t had time to read + talk with Bullet about the game so HE can help us see where you’re at?
Also I was thinking about switching to TIC earlier because something CC posted reminded me of another thing me and Ranmaru discussed, which was lynching the obvscum before the less obvscum. Problem was Thor had momentum then and I didn’t want to undermine the wagon while it had a chance.
VOTE: ThoseInCharge

[Gamma Emerald]

Thor isn't scum.

He's pretty easy to catch as scum, atleast for me.

What is your experience with him

[Gamma Emerald]

@Ari I can get inactive, but you haven’t had time to read + talk with Bullet about the game so HE can help us see where you’re at?

Why would he have time?

Also I was thinking about switching to TIC earlier because something CC posted reminded me of another thing me and Ranmaru discussed, which was lynching the obvscum before the less obvscum. Problem was Thor had momentum then and I didn’t want to undermine the wagon while it had a chance.
VOTE: ThoseInCharge

What is that?

I feel like I’ve seen Ari around on Discord but I may be wrong
And what is what?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thor isn't scum.

He's pretty easy to catch as scum, atleast for me.

What is your experience with him

Surreptitious II, some newbie I guess it was 1725 and don't remember what else.

Which ones was he scum in?

[Gamma Emerald]

no he is just scum. don't let him attribute his bad reads and worse play to incompetence, every time i have been like man i guess thor is actually a fucking dumbass it's been because he was scum

Wait where has Thor been playing the incompetence card?

[Gamma Emerald]

I've caught up, but can't really say I got anything useful out of some of the confusing (maybe pointless?) arguments that came up in thread.

I don't think Thor is scum and still like the Gamma wagon. Not really sure why others are defending Gamma so hard (don't think he's town and do think the entire 'your meta read is accurate but I must assess your evidence' to be pretty scummy as already explained by Thor). If the meta read is accurate, then it's NAI for Thor at best and Gamma's just flooding the game with nonsense.

I'm fairly unopposed to a TiC lynch. Don't really get why RC feels so confident there, but I find 540 fairly awful and don't think that anyone's so dense to think 294 has anything to do with my vote on Gamma (as opposed to, you know, interacting with Thor or reevaluating my thoughts on Gamma or reacting to anything Gamma had done between by previous post and my vote or some combination of the above; no, any of those would make too much sense), and I think they're stretching reallllyyyy hard to form a scumread on me.

I don't think TiC and Thor can be scum together. Don't really know why others think they could be.

Creature's now inflating his postcount, so I'm going to rescind my townread on him, not because I think he's scum, but as punishment for spamposting (I have close to zero interest in trying to read or sort through an inflated game).

Other players' defense of my slot are fairly ??? to me, but still welcome.

I would give you more developed thoughts if I had them, but I honestly haven't been paying much attention to this game. And I honestly don't have any interest in giving this game any energy when 1) most of you are skimming or ignoring the Thor/Gamma case and writing Gamma off as town for ??? or 2) tunneling slots and expecting others to sheep you without explaining reads or indicating what it is that makes you want others to sheep you (other than ego; mostly referring to RC, Wis can be included but I have close to no expectations from him).

Which head is this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
I think the post is bad but I don’t think that badness makes it inherently scummy, if it were Brian that would be the case

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m up for either of TIC or Thor

@everyone

please post which of the 4 main wagons (FFT, TIC, Thor, or myself) you support
Votes would be good too

[Gamma Emerald]

I am not unvoting Thor even to avoid a no lynch

If you all want to jerk off about your pet scumreads instead of lynch scum then that's your prerogative but Thor is literally guiltied scum and Wisdom is probably his scumbuddy trying to use TICs bad associatives to get the lynch there instead and nightkill me

Play better

Why dont you literally fucking think before you post like literally just fucking once because then you'd fucking realize how fucking stupid you fucking sound being on a fucking 2 man wagon and then telling everyone else that they're the fucking ones with the pet fucking scum reads

Fucking play better

Okay why the sudden outburst of vitriol

[Gamma Emerald]

@Cakez I feel like you’re vastly mosunderstanding why I’m scumreading Thor if that’s what you think to comment on

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m up for either of TIC or Thor

@everyone

please post which of the 4 main wagons (FFT, TIC, Thor, or myself) you support
Votes would be good too

Gamma this was pretty scummy and you're probably going to have to be next

Me trying to ensure a lynch happens is SCUMMY? What bizarro planet do you live on?

[Gamma Emerald]

And if there’s a scumflip or two in that group I’m coming for your head Carca.

[Gamma Emerald]

Plus I left myself in
Seriously what “scum motive” do you see there?

[Gamma Emerald]

gonna make a stab at the entire scumteam being wisdom/carcalilly/thor665

Tentative no on Wisdom but the others I agree with

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s up Kokichi
Have you read anything? What’s your opinion on the game if so?

[Gamma Emerald]

And to address things directed my way
@TIC: well Ari is the easier to read head of yours.
@CC: unless there’s significant momentum to Thor (probably three votes or 2 if one of those is someone on the TIC wagon) I’m not going to switch there rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Last time I lynched thor i was sure hes scum and he flipped town pr while refusing to claim
No thanks

Still doesn’t make Thor lynchbait

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma if you vote Thor that's l 2 and Thor is significantly ahead of tic

It hit my criteria anyway (short was on TiC)
VOTE: Thor

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so here are some of my old reads

Shortaru town
Carcalilly town
FFT scum
Flubber town unless FFT scum
Akarin town

Earlier I said BBmolla felt town, but while those posts felt town his vote was actually really trash, and in retrospect his earlier Gamma vote also looked trash, so I will have to reread.

Wisdom and RC are players I don't read on Day 1.

Gamma I feel is town?

This feels like a significant turnabout on me, explain? I don’t need full details, just a point when you went from “odd vote deserves being voted” or whatever to “Gamma is town”.

[Gamma Emerald]

I see.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't lynch Thor.

That wagon is scumdriven.

Nice job dodging all my questions scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m up for either of TIC or Thor

@everyone

please post which of the 4 main wagons (FFT, TIC, Thor, or myself) you support
Votes would be good too

Gamma this was pretty scummy and you're probably going to have to be next

Me trying to ensure a lynch happens is SCUMMY? What bizarro planet do you live on?

Plus I left myself in
Seriously what “scum motive” do you see there?

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, I'm going to put this down for now:

What do you guys think of BBmolla?

While I’m not gonna vote there I think he has felt shady, but tbh I think he’s just scummy by default

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Carcalilly
^This is scum dodging RVS.

100% serious vote.

Not a big fan but it’s an early vote

k

VOTE: Gamma

This vote just seems to be arbitrarily contrarian

I feel like the amount of shit flinging they're all doing has to have at least one scum fueling the fire of it. Like clearly nobody else cares about the minutiae of their argument but they keep vomiting it all over the thread, which makes me feel like one of them has to be doing it intentionally to keep fucking the thread.
idk maybe that's a fallacy but it's the vibe I'm feeling

both thor and gamma kind of do that shit as people

I kind of think it's tvt at this point, doesn't seemed calculated seems more like dick measuring

VOTE: TIC

Ari's posts suck ass

Ari’s posts didn’t suck ass, they just weren’t impressive
What disturbs me more here is his analysis of me v Thor, why does it not being calculated eliminate possible SvT?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thor had the opportunity to hammer TiC but didn't. I'm sure that even as scum, he could have sold a hammer without being the defacto d2 Lynch. He'd have been in the same position he is now at worst.

VOTE: TiC

This comes up now because?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why didn’t you see it until then?

[Gamma Emerald]

I've been lacking dopamine lately. Other than that, I'm okay save school exams.

Is this a medical determination or you just don’t feel happy?

[Gamma Emerald]

cakez!! Defend yourself

You do realize you’re the other option

[Gamma Emerald]

@Creature, Thor, Kokichi: Vote a wagon ffs

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Cakez
Whatever, will switch to a Thor or Carca wagon is those come back

[Gamma Emerald]

So who's trying to frame TIC?

You seem exceptionally knowledgeable: reads list now,

[Gamma Emerald]

So who's trying to frame TIC?

You seem exceptionally knowledgeable: reads list now,

Haven't actually read most of the game yet. Was basing that clearly off of wagon analysis.

Got super busy the past couple days so wasn't able to. I'll start catching up today.

@Kokichi - seem familiar?

Ok
Please read the game then

[Gamma Emerald]

Oooooohkay so a game with Thor just finished and he was SK there and I was Town
I’m going to need to think about ramifications for how he’s perceiving me here

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Cakez
Whatever, will switch to a Thor or Carca wagon is those come back

Gamma, can you explain why you were willing to vote 3 people yesterday?

Thor and Carca were my actual desired lynches
Cakez was a compromise

[Gamma Emerald]

It was a Scumread but I lack confidence in it now

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is not that bad

Is not that bad what

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't really need to get into how I know, but just know scum likely has a roleblocker

Why do you assume it's coming from scum and not town?

Whenever I'm roleblocked I assume scum. Why would I assume town?

Depends on how you’re perceived
If people distrust you I’d figure Town did it
Otherwise scum is a good guess

[Gamma Emerald]

Oooooohkay so a game with Thor just finished and he was SK there and I was Town
I’m going to need to think about ramifications for how he’s perceiving me here

Yeah you do.
You can start with explaining how you thought you could sell the story that I had no recent meta experience with you scumboi.

I mean, I'm fine with you not choosing to use the info there, but to pretend to everyone else that it doesn't even exist and thus my meta call is inherently questionable - that's scum play.
Back it up, we can talk about it constantly now.

I wasn’t counting it because ongoing. Now that it’s done yes you do have recent experience with me.
Also I remember you referencing a “game you can’t talk about”: was it that one?

[Gamma Emerald]

Um CC could you tag your posts pretty please

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah Thor is confscum imo
I think town Thor would’ve taken a step back and thought about whether I was trying to deceive or just working with what I had. I actually didn’t think it could have been that ongoing game, even with the added hint, as he got my play wrong there too, as I started off weak there. So like, either he’s really bad at gauging activity or he’s scum twisting the narrative in a way that honestly devalues his point as if I’m starting strong in that other town game, wouldn’t you have found TIC’s read the slightest bit wrong? No, because you saw a chance to mislynch me and bit the bait.
VOTE: Thor

[Gamma Emerald]

I think lynching Gamma into a townflip already means that scum has won this game and that's a huge risk to take.

~RC

I’m actually rather bothered by your refusal to take a stand either way on the Thor/Gamma debate, makes me think you’re saving it til the very end.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think lynching Gamma into a townflip already means that scum has won this game and that's a huge risk to take.

~RC

I’m actually rather bothered by your refusal to take a stand either way on the Thor/Gamma debate, makes me think you’re saving it til the very end.

Why does it bother you that we are unsure rn?

~OH

To elaborate, I think it’s possible you want to carry this debate into LyLo to make it less likely scum gets lynched.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time

Eh this is fine for now

I mean I do feel like something is deffirebtbeyween this game and CoH wrt FFT
I just can’t place how and that’s making me not sure it’s a scum thing

[Gamma Emerald]

sakura wasnt in coh, do you mean boundaries of reality?

CoH is children of Huron

[Gamma Emerald]

Is FFT an alt?

Its a hydra of sakura hana/kaede akamatsu and Brian skies

Wow, didn’t know Sakura was Kaede

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time

Eh this is fine for now

I mean I do feel like something is different between this game and CoH wrt FFT
I just can’t place how and that’s making me not sure it’s a scum thing

Dear Christ that screw-up belongs on r/ihadastroke

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel invisible

[Gamma Emerald]

I think town Thor would’ve taken a step back and thought about whether I was trying to deceive or just working with what I had.

Please describe your town motive in lying and claiming I had no current meta on you.
I'll wait.

@Gamma - Want to leap in here and save Wisdom. I bet he'd appreciate it if someone was able to answer this.
Not that I suppose it matters because apparently town intends to pretend like you didn't do something blatantly scummy, but, whatevs. I'll be able to rub their faces in it post game.

Thank you for actually bringing up the original question, I missed it and just saying “Gamma isn’t answering my question” doesn’t help.
As for why I would “lie”, I didn’t make the connection initially, and it wasn’t helped with how you phrased things (doing research on my games implies reading games you were not in).

[Gamma Emerald]

I think regardless of the meta your push on me is a scum push.

[Gamma Emerald]

You should demand my research again, act like it's a big thing I don't have it pre-written up (which would be insane) and then do nothing with it once you get it other than to suggest it's okay-ish, and then keep a locked in vote on me and act surprised I don't consider that a town reaction.

Honestly I understand this
But I still don’t trust your motivations for pushing me at all

[Gamma Emerald]

So I’m CoH the main trend I noticed with FFT’s posts is they felt sensible, so that’s prolly gonna he my baseline for them

[Gamma Emerald]

What the fuck
I think that was hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re throwing a lot of conclusions around with 0 backup
Fix that maybe?

[Gamma Emerald]

I should have replaced in on Morality so we could have been Light vs L. Morality vs Wisdom.

(My avi on my Morality account is Light, if you didn’t pick that up)

I can see a townWisdom, but wagonomics and posting wise, it really could go either way.

Tfw
I’ve actually never played with morality

[Gamma Emerald]

i didn't read the stuff posted so far this day phase besides the no kill and i guess i should have

probably the best idea at this point is to just speedlynch kokichi and prevent scum from getting any more out of the day phase

no claims, lynch this and let's go.

Carca posts first.

[Gamma Emerald]

Thor/BBmolla

Creature or Carca.

It’s probably Creature tbh. Gamma, claim mason with him, see what he does.

But...
I already did that with Carcalilly...

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw is anyone calling mailman strong
Cos I don’t think it is

[Gamma Emerald]

you just want me to be scum huh

I want you to be town because I’ve always had this “oh, Wisdom’s so cool” kind of mindset.

Me but with Thor (not exactly, it was only recently I started to think he was cool)

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI I might have to go V/LA for a bit but I'll try my best to keep posting sksksk sorry

Quick thoughts on the game pls

[Gamma Emerald]

You’d have been dead Night 1 if I was scum, let’s be honest.

In no world do I ever kill Flubber night 1. He’s too mislynchable and allows me to do my thread weaving hard.

Idk about mislynchable
I got a good read on him when he was town in mini 2033
But you weren’t there so eh

[Gamma Emerald]

flubbernugget is so bad a kill that i think it was explicitly made with the intent of spewing people town wrt how bad the kill was

So you think scum is made of competent players?

[Gamma Emerald]

You’d have been dead Night 1 if I was scum, let’s be honest.

In no world do I ever kill Flubber night 1. He’s too mislynchable and allows me to do my thread weaving hard.

I think you’re town because I think Short is town and you are different here, then in a recent scumgame I read of yours.

Also, why does scum!you bring attention to the weirdness of the Flubber NK?

This is obviously Nancy posting. I’m assuming everyone has figured this out by now?

I had little idea
I thought it was princess Celestia

[Gamma Emerald]

And while we’re in the topic of RC hydras I just now get how the avatar for RadiantTroubador is relevant about a week or two ago. Well played RC.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’d have been dead Night 1 if I was scum, let’s be honest.

In no world do I ever kill Flubber night 1. He’s too mislynchable and allows me to do my thread weaving hard.

I think you’re town because I think Short is town and you are different here, then in a recent scumgame I read of yours.

Also, why does scum!you bring attention to the weirdness of the Flubber NK?

This is obviously Nancy posting. I’m assuming everyone has figured this out by now?

I had little idea
I thought it was princess Celestia

Seriously? Wisdom already outed me. We originally created the hydra to be anonymous but when RC outed himself as one of the heads, that obviously wasn’t happening.

Yeah I knew then but until then

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature doesn’t put focus on his scum games, so he’s probably lockscum here.

Creature, Thor, Wisdom

I’m hella dead tonight since Celestial physically can’t die.

You just gotta block the kill

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not in the mood to claim yet, but someone should be able to confirm my claim when I do, as well as the fact I’m Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait so you’re NOT vt?

[Gamma Emerald]

So that’s a motion detector claim
And so you’re saying Wisdom has no motion n2?

[Gamma Emerald]

He had zero motion.
So he fakeclaimed a guilty to try to force a claim.
I'll await you explaining how that was town of him with the same baited breath I got his tale of why you were town.

Nah. I’ll let him explain it. I could explain pretty well but I’m not giving him an out if he’s scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wisdom claimed a guilty on Thor. Logic dictates they got it n2, but Thor says they took no action that night. That guilties Wisdom.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you did something I was probably roleblocked.
Beyond that don't bore me.

You should clarify that? Tracker-type roles have that vagery of no result vs no visit, but yours is less confounded as it should clearly read no motion, which is a fair bit different than no result

[Gamma Emerald]

Clarify with the mod fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m waiting for mod feedback but I’m prolly gonna lynch Thor because two guilties on one beats two guilties on two in terms of convincingness

[Gamma Emerald]

On reflection that looks odd
I’m waiting for Thor to get his mod feedback

[Gamma Emerald]

Guys...

Celestial scum slipped if they’re claiming a guilty.

I jailed them last night.

They have a guilty because they’re saying Thor’s n1 result is fake
No scum slip

[Gamma Emerald]

Thought on babysitter>flavor>CC?

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature has a chance of being town if Carcalilly is scum.

I think cakez is town......

What if he's a PR? Plus theyre more likely to be more useful to the game than I am in general. :p

...okay but if he's town I told u so
VOTE: sircakez
L-1

Unlikely.

This post from FL is pinging me hard. I also dislike how he automatically bought Thor’s claim and rejected Wisdom’s - eventhough the odds of Thor investigating Wisdom over Gamma, seem highly unlikely. Why doesn’t town!Thor investigate his #1 scumread, Gamma?

Plus, we know he didn’t get a “no motion” result on us N1.

Which head is this?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod - what result would a theoretical roleblocker get if there target performed no action?
What result would a theoretical roleblocker get if they were theoretically blocked?

the player would get "no movement" if the target...

was jailkept and attempted to use an action

was otherwise roleblocked
did not attempt to move
had no night action

but the player would get a "no result" if…
target was ascetic
target commuted
the player was jailkept, roleblocked, or otherwise stopped

the current head of the nrg is a reviewer for this game, i sincerely sincerely doubt there is going to be fuckery with no results like you are claiming but sure let's see

This setup was only

lightly

reviewed, more for role balance than anything else. It was NOT reviewed in the

traditional

sense where there is comprehensive reviewing from multiple reviewers.

The bolded is janky: that means an incorrect result would occur if the jail kept person acted, as JK would show motion.

[Gamma Emerald]

ok
thor probably got no result and thought he got no motion

He avowed that it was a no movement

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature has a chance of being town if Carcalilly is scum.

I think cakez is town......

What if he's a PR? Plus theyre more likely to be more useful to the game than I am in general. :p

...okay but if he's town I told u so
VOTE: sircakez
L-1

Unlikely.

This post from FL is pinging me hard. I also dislike how he automatically bought Thor’s claim and rejected Wisdom’s - eventhough the odds of Thor investigating Wisdom over Gamma, seem highly unlikely. Why doesn’t town!Thor investigate his #1 scumread, Gamma?

Plus, we know he didn’t get a “no motion” result on us N1.

Which head is this?

The answer to this is

critical

. It could decide my read on you in an instant.

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you CERTAIN?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
If it was RC I would have had major problems with CC as Id just argued that theory was a wrong one in a past game.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean the “you should investigate your strongest scumreads” theory

[Gamma Emerald]

I was thinking Thor’s reaction to his wrong result was towny until I got the feeling he was positioning CC in a weird way
Any objections to just hammering? I might be heading to bed soon.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Thor665

[Gamma Emerald]

So are we still doing massclaiming or no
I stand by my previous assertion that I have reason to wait if we are

[Gamma Emerald]

Someone respond to my question

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
You never gave anything more on your claim besides a guilty on Thor btw, is there anything else that may be relevant?

[Gamma Emerald]

I still want someone else to confirm something first

[Gamma Emerald]

Universal back-up, so I’m even night mailman
I want my target to claim next, you know who the fuck you are

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah it’s Carca
I sent her a message implying a connection between me and SirCakez since I picked up his role, along with a reference to a player who doesn’t play anymore that would function as the way to trace it to me, as afaik no one else has been in a game with Carcalilly and that player among us besides me
The fact she didn’t bring it up is sketchy as fuck imo
VOTE: Carcalilly

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah actually Carca is very likely scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair
VOTE: Creature

[Gamma Emerald]

Well that explains/resolved many things

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma i don't think carca not mentioning your mail is scummy

Its still creature and molla

It was meant to be me reaching out to them. Their refusal to acknowledge it tells me they were afraid of that.

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm mulling over scum gamma

Here’s what I’m thinking, 3 VTs altogether - including Flubber is quite likely, so probably 2/4 VT claims are likely true.

So, either 2 of the 4 VT claims are bogus or 1 VT claim and Gamma. While universal backup seems like an unlikely role, does scum!Gamma really call out Carca like that?

Does scum!Thor hardbus like that for towncred?

Thing is I froze a few time dealing with Thor. Does that sound like a planned bus? If you want proof look for times a question is directed at me by Thor and I take a long time to respond.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is almost confirmed for doing nothing yesterday
Scum should have something to do
And hed likely be doing the kill too

Probably but scum could have someone else do the kill. Both you and Kokichi are confirmed by flipped players: Kokichi doubly confirmed by FL and you and you by Thor.

The problem is I can’t tell who Creature’s partner is. But why does Gamma wait until D4 to call out Carca? He knew he messaged her on N2 right? So why not confront her on D3?

Unlike Wisdom’s role, I can see no reason for Gamma to have not claimed his role and his connection with Carca, D3.

Gamma, why didn’t you call out Carca D3? Why wait until now?

I wanted to see if Carca was going to reveal it or not. That’s why I kept stalling my claim.

[Gamma Emerald]

Game is themed on mailmen
It makes sense to have town odd night and scum even night

or vice versa whatever

Well, we know Cakes was even night, so if there is a scum mailman role, it would have to be even night, altogether universal backup is quite a strong power role. Too bad he couldn’t backup FFT’s role. :/

Based on D3 VCA, I think scum is most likely in the not voters than on the Thor wagon.

You do understand how UB works in Normals right
If I’m exactly the role I claim I can’t be scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald

Sheeping Those in Charge. Think that's town.
Willing to buy BBmolla and Shotaru as town also.

People should sheep me.

@Thor: Why is ThoseInCharge your #1 town read?

He isn't. Shortaru is.
However, Shortaru is not worth sheeping I feel.

Okay, how about why is ThoseInCharge a

strong

townread?

Never called them a strong town read.

They're a town read for being productive and aggressive in thread during RVS.

@RC - brilliant, another series of posts calling my case bad while refusing to explain why and then claiming *I'm* the one playing scummy. I don't think you're an idiot - you're scum.

@Flubber - that was rude and weird. Did I piss you off with something? Why are you insulting me after seeing the logic of my case earlier?

Fuwa basically said what I've been thinking again in thread, that is likely town.
No one took me up on my challenge to the TiC/Thor connection - which should tell you something about the people braying for my lynch.
I refuse to vote TiC because I think that slot is town and the case there is just as iffy as the one on me and pushed by the same folks which says a lot.
Sir Cakez voting me after acting confused by me and getting a summary from me about my stance with an invitation to read over it and ask questions indicates...well, scum to me, but by this stage I have way too many people acting full derp about my case for them all to be scum, which means some of you are town and that hurts my soul. I've had so many really awesome games lately and this one has literally some of the best names I can think of involved and it is descending into utter dreck. Some of you need to play in less games, because some of you are town and being okay with this and that just sgowcases that you're not reading which pisses me off. That's rude to your fellow teammates.

I'm home now, probably will be around, if the wagon derps onto me I'll basically refuse to claim anyway so don't feel a need to wait for me or play the deadline game.

VOTE: Thor665

Feel free to get hammer intent on me after a claim
Whoever wants to pretend they're scumhunting can hammer me now.

To clarify after my flip - both nights were sent by the mod as 'no result' so he doesn't deserve my vitriol - but pretty sure Wisdom is still a lying sack.
Lynch Gamma after my death, please and thank you.
You can all also still rot - I pretty much want to blacklist the entire town.

I never noticed this before but Thor was hardtown reading TIC.

Gamma, what is your current read on TIC?

I think TIC was Thor’s ride along, so TIC is probably town

[Gamma Emerald]

How many messages did we receive?

None confirmed, that is the problem. Gamma claimed to message Carca D2 but she never apparently mentioned it and Kokichi claimed to message Wisdom twice. Kokichi was roleblocked by FL D1 and Wisdom is ascetic.

Kokichi couldn’t have killed Flubber and Gamma didn’t kill FL.

The issue with TIC is that they claim you and Kokichi can never be w/w and I have trouble seeing how TIC/Kokichi are w/w. So if you’re town and I’m starting to think you may be town afterall, then the only possibility then is molla/TIC.

I’m obviously reading something wrong here.

gamma's scum and with the benefit of hindsight it's really obvious when you read thor/gamma isos together

OK which head is which

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't even know who is playing besides RC

It’s RC + Nancy Drew in that hydra

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you ever consider the possibility that the reason Carca didn’t mention any message, was because maybe she never actually received one?

Do you understand why I’d be upset and thinking Carca scum in that scenario? I targeted her because I wanted to get a better read on her and drop a bit of info about what I was, and then she just nopes out. Makes me think she doesn’t

want

to confirm me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Really? Doesn’t look like you scumread me in Deja Vu?

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Mini 2026: Deja-Vu Mafia (night 3)

how about we just designate one person to visit Kokichi and just settle it with that? If they can't visit, they'll mention it when we pick them, then we can move on.

horrible idea. if mafia have a roleblocker, they just block the person.

Subject: Mini 2026: Deja-Vu Mafia (night 3)

Sure. That sounds fine.

-Nic Cage, Star of hit movie Stolen (Totally not a Taken ripoff)

even worse of an agreement.

VOTE: Brass

I was going to until I saw Brass agree with you then just tunneled him. Not sure who was even scum that game since it was locked an ended lol

Ok
So why have you not made efforts to read me better?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I’m gonna have to stop you there RC (I’m officially calling that you’re the one spouting this paranoid froth about me being scum). Why the fuck do I pull up information from a Discord chat to bust Thor if we’re scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I’m gonna have to stop you there RC (I’m officially calling that you’re the one spouting this paranoid froth about me being scum). Why the fuck do I pull up information from a Discord chat to bust Thor if we’re scum?

This isn’t RC, although we’re apparently mindmelding here. Why couldn’t you both have gambitted in hard bussing each other?

You could have both decided that the surviving one of you would get towncred.

Bussing usually happens early, it’s far less likely to happen later in a game, so based on lack of associatives, makes you more likely to be scum than Kokichi.

I see no world, where either scum!molla or scum!TIC allows their buddy to get lynched here, so either one flipping green, spews the other one scum.

A molla green flip, looks the worst for TIC and maybe Kokichi.

So, it’s either molla/Gamma or TIC/you, TIC/Kokichi.

In any case, if molla flips green than TIC is scum, so we lynch TIC in that case.

If molla flips red, than you, because I doubt scum!molla hardbusses Kokichi at this point.

Yeah bussing is possible. But why do I get help as scum with Thor? Couldn’t he have coached me himself?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you consider Kokichi a lurker this game?

yes

Wisdom you know that I'm known for posting more as scum than town so what are you even doing at this point

This

What "this", creature?
Why are you misrepping me?
Did i say kokichi is scum because of lurking?

No, but you said Kokichi is scum

...

[Gamma Emerald]

You see you refusing to take stance is a horrible look

[Gamma Emerald]

The way gamma danced around calling himself conftown when there is no way gamma would know that rule and given the mod has explicitly stated the game is non-normal is just @_@

What rule? That UB can only back-up roles of its own alignment? I learned that in a past game, Creature was in it too, though given he’s probscum I have doubts of him backing it up. If Flavor were still alive I could get him to verify.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time
No slipping away from me this time!

VOTE: TGP
Stop voting my mason buddy

Sheeping Those in Charge. Think that's town.
Willing to buy BBmolla and Shotaru as town also.

People should sheep me.

If you're sheeping TiC, anyone else voting the player you're voting wouldn't, by definition, be sheeping you.

Also, do you really think 70 comes from scum?

I disagree with how you think sheeping works.

How do you see it not coming from scum exactly?

Maybe it feels like there’s “too much effort” because I was trying a gambit?

Maybe?
I'm sheeping him more due to my reads, I don't find your slot townish and I find him townish.
I will generally agree I find you a bit more involved already than I would expect from you being town, but that might also be early game excitement. Either way you're still a fine vote at this juncture.

What do you think of Shortaru defending you for pointing out something stated in the ruleset? Is he daft for buying that, or am I daft for considering it NaI?

I think it’s odd he’s defending that after calling it LAMIST.
VOTE: shortaru
I also feel like his Wisdom push is kinda scummy after digging into his thinking

Well I’m not anticipating you doing research, because why would you? And what research have you done anyway?

I lost interest in discussing stuff with you about the time you claimed I would have no recent meta on you after agreeing my meta conclusion was right and being aware we do have recent interactions that could easily lead to me having more recent meta awareness of you. Also, when you said that Shortaru's case on me had merit.
You're not dealing with this conversation honestly.

I don’t think you’re approaching this honestly if the second you’re forced to provide specific backing for your read you clam up.
VOTE: Thor

That’s not what I said
VOTE: shortaru
Twisting my words is a scum play, plain and simple

VOTE: Thor665
I’ll wait a bit to vote TIC but I’m definitely leaning that way

@Ari I can get inactive, but you haven’t had time to read + talk with Bullet about the game so HE can help us see where you’re at?
Also I was thinking about switching to TIC earlier because something CC posted reminded me of another thing me and Ranmaru discussed, which was lynching the obvscum before the less obvscum. Problem was Thor had momentum then and I didn’t want to undermine the wagon while it had a chance.
VOTE: ThoseInCharge

Gamma if you vote Thor that's l 2 and Thor is significantly ahead of tic

It hit my criteria anyway (short was on TiC)
VOTE: Thor

VOTE: Cakez
Whatever, will switch to a Thor or Carca wagon is those come back

Yeah Thor is confscum imo
I think town Thor would’ve taken a step back and thought about whether I was trying to deceive or just working with what I had. I actually didn’t think it could have been that ongoing game, even with the added hint, as he got my play wrong there too, as I started off weak there. So like, either he’s really bad at gauging activity or he’s scum twisting the narrative in a way that honestly devalues his point as if I’m starting strong in that other town game, wouldn’t you have found TIC’s read the slightest bit wrong? No, because you saw a chance to mislynch me and bit the bait.
VOTE: Thor

VOTE: Thor665

Yeah it’s Carca
I sent her a message implying a connection between me and SirCakez since I picked up his role, along with a reference to a player who doesn’t play anymore that would function as the way to trace it to me, as afaik no one else has been in a game with Carcalilly and that player among us besides me
The fact she didn’t bring it up is sketchy as fuck imo
VOTE: Carcalilly

Fair
VOTE: Creature

My voting history. Never voted Wisdom ONCE. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, RC.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like boys
And girls but the only girl left is my Hydra partner

I led on Thor D1 I am conftown let's murder gamma for being a chinsy bitch

Oh and I want to note that despite scumreading Thor the whole fucking game when push came to shove gamma was hiding behind the 'guilty' on Wisdom claimed by his top scumread after that person had already guiltied him and using it as an excuse to vote wisdom

Then when the tides we're shifting he hammered

So like, idk guys this is really easy

And you also fencesitted like a mofo on the Thor vs Gamma debate D2, so claiming you led one day while omitting that fact is misleading as fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

Wisdom claimed a guilty on Thor. Logic dictates they got it n2, but Thor says they took no action that night. That guilties Wisdom.

If you did something I was probably roleblocked.
Beyond that don't bore me.

You should clarify that? Tracker-type roles have that vagery of no result vs no visit, but yours is less confounded as it should clearly read no motion, which is a fair bit different than no result

Clarify with the mod fyi

I’m waiting for mod feedback but I’m prolly gonna lynch Thor because two guilties on one beats two guilties on two in terms of convincingness

Your posts

Also fuck you I didn't get to do shit D2 because these fucking clowns lynched town before I could drag the lemmings away from the cliff

Really
The first post is me explaining role interactions, so fuck off. The next two fair, but in that first of those two I was fairly skeptical of the result claim. The last one doesn’t really help your point at all lol

[Gamma Emerald]

As for D2 idgaf how much time you had to do things D2, fencesitting is fencesitting, end of story.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lololol
This is funny

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature (1): Gamma Emerald
ThoseInCharge (1): BBmolla
Kokichi Oma (1): Wisdom
BBmolla (1): Kokichi Oma

This wagon formation always lynches scum

Vote.

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature (1): Gamma Emerald
ThoseInCharge (1): BBmolla
Kokichi Oma (1): Wisdom
BBmolla (1): Kokichi Oma

This wagon formation always lynches scum

Vote.

I'm waiting Carcalilly/Not_Mafia

zzz

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature is just pretty blatant genuine town but whatever makes you not lynch him idc

I think I'm still leaning towards lynching BBmolla today, I think a hard townread on Creature is absurd at this stage of the game, and IME people underestimate how scummy this is

Any vote is better than Kokichi. His is the only PR confirmed by the setup. There are way too many PRs here. 3 dead and appeared 3 living - that’s at least, one too many.

Don’t you think it odd, that Carca wouldn’t confirm she received Gamma’s message and why does Gamma wait until D4, to confront her, when he could have mentioned it D3. Something is up with that.

As for Gamma’s supposedly “townie” response to Thor, there is nothing easier than acting townie when bussing. Thor had pretty much already lolcattee by that point.

Reading Arkin’s ISO, the only player Kokichi could possibly be scum with is Gamma and that makes absolutely no sense, so Kokichi is town.

Hey fuckweed
You think Carca’s V/LA had something to do with why I wasn’t outing it? I wanted to give Carca a chance to speak before just screaming death, it was only when it was fully clear that a) most people if not all knew I was waiting on Carca and b) Carca probably wasn’t coming back that I placed down the vote. I made countless allusions to wanting the mystery person to speak out.
Also how does setup confirm Kokichi’s role, much less make him locktown? There’s 0 proof to his actions rn, plus he could very well be a scum counterpart. Why the shallow thinking?

[Gamma Emerald]

So depending on which of these he has read will determine how correct I view his current meta on me

No

You literally didn't

What kind of crazy land am I conscious in right now

So then

You didn't do what I asked you to do

And I voted

As promised

CC

Will you vote fft with me tomorrow if I vote TiC today

Do you think gamma and thor are both scum?

I feel like the amount of shit flinging they're all doing has to have at least one scum fueling the fire of it. Like clearly nobody else cares about the minutiae of their argument but they keep vomiting it all over the thread, which makes me feel like one of them has to be doing it intentionally to keep fucking the thread.
idk maybe that's a fallacy but it's the vibe I'm feeling

I don't know what to make of how dishonest they are both coming off as

VOTE: tic

This soft support for a tic lynch 2 hrs before deadline gives me scum vibes

Nothing in Flubber’s ISO implicates Kokichi, Creature or Molla but it does point to possible TIC/Gamma motivations for a Flubber NK.

Maybe it’s Gamma/TIC?

Only players who had a motive to kill him, are Gamma/TIC. He wasn’t scumreading anyone else.

*thinking*

I love your dedication to the Gamma!scum narrative that you won’t consider alternative NKA reasonings for a nanosecond.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, give me other plausible reasons for Flubber kill?

Tell me how it makes sense for anyone other than you or TIC - or someone aligned with eigher of you - to want to kill him.

He wasn’t scumreading anyone else.

Aiming for PRs? WIFOM? There’s several possibilities, that’s why you honing in on one in a clearly narrative-driven manner pisses me off.

[Gamma Emerald]

Voting Kokichi fixes things how...?

[Gamma Emerald]

While I disagree about Kokichi being locktown I have stronger scumreads
Why do you scumread them?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you lack stronger scumreads?

[Gamma Emerald]

i didnt know you in dangan

@gamma because everyone other than kokichi creature and molla is town

Okay, I can get this thinking

[Gamma Emerald]

Yup that’s what I sent Carca

[Gamma Emerald]

Was there any non-normal role claimed?

Mailman isn’t normal
The fact you’re not remembering flips is bad for you

[Gamma Emerald]

We can argue who's scum with who after we flip one scum

...we have though?