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[Chara]

hello everyone! nice to see all of you, been a while.
time to read instead of sleep.

[Chara]

<3

i'm agreeing with a lot of what RC is saying, that's fun. i guess it doesn't really matter at this stage. Gamma's town but you knew that.

357 is my favourite post in the game.
i fell asleep on the couch and now i'm uncomfortable.

[Chara]

I don't dislike alch at all. I'm just lynching based on info day 1 because I think the likelyhood we get a legit scum lynch is so low. So I want the lynch that blows interactions up the most for me and alch is one of those.

town winrates go down when scum is lynched day one. Maria gets it. :>

are you saying you townread Alch here or nullreading him?

[Chara]

i have a lot to say about Maria vs. RC but i wonder if i should just let it be since he isn't here. it makes me think they're both more likely town but i'm more hesitant to say that regarding Maria.

[Chara]

Yeah but I'm town reading Alch

Can we do Maru?

have you answered why you liked Alchemist's reaction to the wagon so much?

[Chara]

Majiffy: why was Alchemist so town in his reaction to the wagon?
RC's reaction switcharoo on reads should probably not have surprised me, and what i feel isn't really surprise. it's more of a dull 'oh', like everything, because i'm very tired but at 8 pages until i'm caught up do i

really

want to stop here? the answer is no.

[Chara]

i guess i'd like to know why you're townreading him too, Maria. :>

i just realized i already asked Majiffy the same question two posts ago and then forgot i did. amazing.

[Chara]

Also great point about alch/majiffy wagons, regardless of alchemist's role (given the fact the wagon was RC-led and that makes it more confusing for me), majiffy's clearly town based on wagon movement

because the wagon built up quickly?

RC talked about this a lot too, but i really don't believe scum won't bus here.
they could, but it would mean a scumteam who went with the most obvious course of action, or just one full of towny players.
and in general i don't like blanket statements, but that's a me-thing.

[Chara]

town winrates go down when scum is lynched day one.

This is true but we also autowin if we hit scum today.

i'm aware, this was a joke. :>

[Chara]

Alch was lead (and unopposed) wagon at like L-2 with no real viable CWs around. Reaction to such came off very town

missed this. i see what you're saying.

though i don't tend to agree with "scum wouldn't let their partners be uncountered", and yes i'm aware it's autowin if we lynch scum today. the same is relevant for Majiffy's wagon meaning he's town.
i think i asked elephant about that. i don't remember, it was late.

hi Alisae!

[Chara]

elephant: why are you so confident RC slot is town? if this is already answered and i missed it (possible) could you show me?
the Gamma townreads also make sense to me, especially Maria's reason for it. have you played many games with Gamma?

[Chara]

you mention RC's reads a lot in your summary as though they're very relevant, so that's what i assumed. you're also voting Chickadee over Gamma.

pedit: above is to elephant.
Gamma's been taking things in the game to heart, which by itself isn't especially AI, but being sensitive is something i associate more with his towngame.
and to not lean on bad meta, he just looks very loud and honest in his reactions.

[Chara]

For me, playing as town is less emotional because my death has lower stakes
Playing as scum (and sometimes pr) makes me more readily get angry/nervous/skittish/upset etc because of the natural feeling of guilt/fear that comes with being assigned the role of liar, and the survivalism I have to embody well to win

have you played with scum Gamma before?

even personally, i'm more emotional as town, it's usually how i get townread.

[Chara]

pedit: I think RC said a lot, so I'm including a lot of what he said in my summary
I'm sheeping Penguin onto Chickadee because I townread Penguin ~same I townread Majiffy and I also scumread Chick ~same as I scumread Gamma (given the conversation he and I had that did diffuse part of my scumread on him)

hm, alright.
do you townread Majiffy for anything besides having a wagon?

i don't know why everyone expects mafia to take a firm hand on defending each other this game day. sure, it's autowin if one of them is lynched, but there's the rest of the game to consider too. i expected a lot of soft-bussing.

pedit: i think RC is just town. watching Titus will make determining that easier, i find her easier to sort, but that's what i would bet right now.

[Chara]

VOTE: Majiffy

[Chara]

Chick, talk to me about players who aren't chamber? why did you like the Alch wagon, what do you think about Gamma and Majiffy?

[Chara]

Yes, I townread Majiffy for having the confidence to put himself forward as the one to make the choice after RC had already done so. Given RC dropped his own wagon at L-1, I feel more confident in Majiffy being the townie genuinely wanting to build an all-town wagon and less confident RC was that townie (regardless of alchemist's alignment)

make what choice?
i understand this (well, partially) if you think Alch is scum, but if he's town, i'd say it says a lot about RC's alignment.

[Chara]

i'd just like to take it easy and have a nice game with minimal dramatic personality clashes. this is my first game in a while, too.

[Chara]

This list didn't change when I finished my catch up. Anyone not listed here are in varying degrees of not-town piles. I haven't really sat down to look at things beyond my town reads very much.

I do not dislike the alchemist wagon though.

i'm talking about this, not about pages you didn't read. :>

[Chara]

okay chara was horrordude who never played
he can be town

alisae was pure sadness who was v lurky
closer to null

why am i town?

Majiffy: i've yet to figure out why you're so confident on Gamma fron your ISO or any of your posts on the subject.

[Chara]

Gathering enough townreads and watching reactions around various votes that have cropped up. Gammas got a lot of soft resistance. Many people ignoring the slot and calls to vote it. Scum is trying to kill it by ignoring it.

of the Gamma defense, i'm seeing a lot of very blatant "he's town" defense. that includes me, because he's town.
so who are the scum ignoring it?


thanks for the answer Chick.

[Chara]

I was kinda hoping people would build the Alch wagon again and I could compare wagons but w/e
Still think Alch is scum btw

this is a town post or i'm very biased.

[Chara]

Alisae, mind telling me where you got the confidence on Chick? or is it still RC.
i'd rather townhunt, but this is a large and i joined it for because.

[Chara]

If Alch is scum, scum!RC had to abandon the wagon eventually
If Alch is town, scum!RC asked to be BoP'd, so he had to change gears to sheeping someone else eventually
Town!RC would towncase Alchemist if he really thought it was the wrong wagon - but also what do I know I've been proven to be bad at reading RC

i really don't think RC's scumgame is bad enough that he can't survive leading a wagon on town.
granted i think he was town here, but we're talking about your hypothetical anyway.

[Chara]

[post]1131[post] doesn't look like a manufactured backwards thought process to me. i guess it isn't that hard to fake but i still like it.

[Chara]

bah. 1131

[Chara]

i don't see scum making up fake reasoning, not sharing it with the thread, forgetting about it, and then remembering when i asked.
forgetting and having to look back at posts around the time is something i've done before, but i find it's harder to remember something fake than something that actually occurred.

so either she came up with it now or genuinely came up with it then, i think. i suppose she could have remembered fake reasoning but that just seems odd to me with the timing of her answer.

how are you reading Chickadee, chamber?

[Chara]

yes, i know, i read that. have you read the rest of Chick's ISO by now?

[Chara]

ok.

[Chara]

alright.
i remember seeing you talk about that earlier, chamber, but i must have misinterpreted as i didn't realize you were talking about it indicating daytalk.
i think it could also be a case of parroting (as in seeing a phrase and subconsciously repeating it), but i do definitely see a world where both of them are scum together.

still, i have some reasons to think Chick could be town, and none fir Majiffy. also i didn't like his posting around the middle of the game but i'll grab them later when i feel like it.

pedit: that was to Alisae, chamber. i guess i was frustrated that Alisae was just quoting a past admission of not reading Chick's full ISO, and not answering if e'd done so

now

, but then i realized it was a dumb thing to be frustrated about.

[Chara]

Give them a break, if its me my responses are literally just quotes

haha. <3

[Chara]

It's really hard for me to buy that it's subconscious parroting, when his post was one of the last substantive posts made before she posted. I think you'd know you were doing it at that point. You would reference it. Not just repeat it like that

so you think she instead missed it completely, and just went ahead talking about something from in the scum PT?

Alisae, i understand that, i'd just wanted to know if you were going to elaborate or if you had anything to add to the Chick scumread, since i didn't find what you did say terribly convincing. it's fine though, if the answer is no.

[Chara]

he was never looking bad

[Chara]

i'm pretty sure it was, i just agree.

my point is, i see what you're saying chamber, and i think it's possible. i also think it's possible Chick is town, while i feel that way less on Majiffy.

and if they're scum together, it's just as likely to me that Chick saw Majiffy's post and restated it than it is they both referenced something from the scumthread.
it may be the fact that i don't find "there are scum other than me, find them" to be a particularly well thought-out defensive strategy that there would be a plan to deploy.

this feels pointless to argue about now that i look at it. i do think they could be scum together easily. i'm just more confident in majiffy and would rather that be the lynch.

[Chara]

i can't tell how much of that is a joke, Ali. except the part about me being towny town, because of course i am.

[Chara]

i want to go to bed but you're all online now. and mafia is my only social interaction time because friendship is hard.

[Chara]

i think i will sleep, even if i don't want to. also now i feel bad, haha.
i've been alright, how are you? i'm trying to ease back into mafia and not overgame myself like i always end up doing.

was happy to see you replace in, i hope you stay. :>

[Chara]

what's your read on me, Majiffy?
elephant, i wanted to know why i'm town for you as well.

[Chara]

I don't remember, honestly
Why? am I wrong?
@chara

you said i was town, and then that i continued to be so. the fact that you can't explain why baffles me, it just happened.

[Chara]

I don't really have one. All you anime avatar people are all the same to me

but... but! mine is blue. :>

[Chara]

i don't like the Gamma wagon, he looks town.
i think Majiffy is trying to set himself up using Alch with the way he says he wouldn't have any reason to defend Alch unless he were scum with Majiffy.
scum defends town all the time for various reasons.
he keeps asking players to sheep him on Gamma based on his townhunting and wagon analysis, and has this lackadaisical attitude that looks comfortable. the result is it's hard to fight him on his stances so they're easy to hold.

[Chara]

oh hey, tornado warning! in that case i'm going home, see you all later.

pedit: help me wagon Majiffy, Maria. :>

[Chara]

Chara am I town scum town with paranoia scum with paranoia or idk

based on my other reads i would say town, but i have no confidence in reading you. you're on Majiffy with me so in that alone i can be happy with town Maki for now. :>

[Chara]

power's out for a while, tornado was fun.

[Chara]

still have no power, so this is a prodge. depends on if i can stop by a coffee shop that has power. not going v/la because i'm optimistic they'll fix this soon.

[Chara]

UNVOTE:

[Chara]

i don't like deadline lynching anyway. a looming deadline is good for getting people into things, i suppose, but that's all.
we're also waiting on replacement for two slots, so i don't really mind the wait.

i might reread when i have some time to get back into this.

[Chara]

Titus, do you have any thoughts?

[Chara]

So I think I'm at: Either Maria & Gamma are both scum or Maria & Gamma are both town, and based on Gamma's ISO this game alone, I'm leaning the former.

why can't Maria be scum with Gamma town? :>

at any rate, it isn't Gamma's emotional state that makes me fairly confident he's town here, but the way it comes out. it's not about being emotional so much as being sensitive and reactive, in what looks like an honest way. i'm sure he could fake that, but that would mean he's aware he's been read based on it beforehand, because it isn't always a good look to act like that and i don't think Gamma would.
i've also seen scum Gamma where i didn't get this feeling from him. of course at the time i didn't recognize it for what it was, but i do now.

[Chara]

Titus, do you have any thoughts?

Can this cold end? Are you voting Chick or Gamma? If not, why not?

cold's will always end!
feel better soon.

i'm not voting Gamma. i may vote Chick. it depends on how i feel after the reread that i haven't done yet.

[Chara]

I thought there was a lot of people who wanted to lynch me then
The only specific objectors I recall are MariaR and, really that’s the only one I remember.

i've been ignored.

elephant: i'll take a look.

[Chara]

Chara baby not you too

<3

[Chara]

welcome Toranaga! :>

[Chara]

he said she does it as scum

too,

so posting minimally (not spamposting) isn't an indicator of her being scum.

[Chara]

i don't agree with that. a general anomaly that doesn't specifically fit her scum pattern usually has to do with something outside of alignment.
Titus has a cold.
pedit: answer was to Gamma.

[Chara]

it absolutely isn't

I've seen titus post minimally as town before and never as scum

I don't think you know what you're talking about re: titus meta and you're acting in an overdefensive manner that pinges me

i've seen her do it as scum. was one of my first games.
to me it indicates her overall engagement.

in class, i should stop interjecting here, haha.

[Chara]

he said she does it as scum

too,

so posting minimally (not spamposting) isn't an indicator of her being scum.

Okay
But in that case it’s just a general anomaly, which I feel is scum-indicative

what did you think about my answer to this, Gamma?

[Chara]

sorry for not being here. i would say i was busy, which i was, but i also just kind of lost some of my confidence in Gamma town from elephant's posting, in spite of the fact that i've been pretty good at pegging him when he's being town Gamma before.

[Chara]

I flat out do not believe he didn't know about the setup. Like why would he replace into this and just not look at the setup at all? that's just a bad idea for so many reasons and it's not like it takes a long time to read the rules? I think it's also scummy that he says:

i didn't know the setup fully until i read the actual thread. got an idea from the first mod posts but that was all.

also Tor replaced Alisae, who was town. this is said with a vague memory of Toranaga's posting this game but i haven't seen anything wrong with it, i want to call him town. i've never seen scum Toranaga, but pushing wagons blatantly does make sense coming from him.

Maria, remind me if you were right on Dunnstral in Purgatory?

[Chara]

i don't remember what my read on Penguin was if i had one.
or most of this game actually. i don't know if i still think Majiffy is scum.

i think you're right though, Cobbler.

[Chara]

This is not a good post. It's actually pretty terrible - "Sorry I lynched town, it was elephant's fault"

i never voted Gamma, i still thought he was town. that post was me saying i wish i'd stuck to my guns.

[Chara]

i doubt all of the scum piled on Gamma. who did you think i was, though?

Alisae townread: i could probably say something a lot better about it, but e was just really town. it's harder to imagine scum Alisae posting like that. i did a quick reread but the lack of a visible agenda and the fact Alisae planned to replace out but still did some general hunting were also town.
note i'm disregarding the emotional aspect of e's play, since Alisae wouldn't fake that as scum and it would be NAI anyway.

[Chara]

VOTE: Dunnstral
reservations aside, every time i've ignored my townread on Maria it's been the wrong choice.

[Chara]

was i not even voting yesterday? i thought i was. christ.

[Chara]

I could see a scum!chickadee with a scum teammate or two sitting on her wagon for later potential bussing cred... But let me actually re-read, I guess.

remind me why you think Chick is scum? you can quote it.

[Chara]

VCA without scum flips isn't good VCA. and what would make Chick different from Majiffy in that regard?

[Chara]

considering he unvoted Alch, i'm pretty sure Cobbler meant the exact opposite.

[Chara]

i'm sorry if it seemed like i was talking down to you or anything, not my intention. and i'd misunderstood what you meant about Chick and Majiffy (i'd thought you were referring to the wagons on them, not their individual presences on Gamma's wagon).

[Chara]

xyzzy

- could you redo that votecount? the number of players voting Dunnstral is off, and elephant is listed as voting twice.

[Chara]

Wait does Titus really want to potentially put us into lylo just for info?

somehow i forgot about this fact a second time.
i should probably be less lazy but i'm not townreading Dunnstral and i trust Maria enough.

i don't think Chick and Majiffy are partners anymore.

[Chara]

Wait does Titus really want to potentially put us into lylo just for info?

you both think Chick is scum, don't you?

[Chara]

if you flip town i'll consider it.
not really, though.
what's your read on me Dunn?

[Chara]

ok i might consider it a little.

[Chara]

I guess i'm just stuck on Maria who seemed less and less interested in the game last gameday and who was interested in an info-flip d1(??) and only post-green-flip is suddenly sure of a scumread
Like if she can always 100% confidently read dunnstral as scum why didn't this come up last game day
on the other hand it's probably scum bussing scum and even if it's not it's more likely to be town voting scum

was it not because of Dunnstral's hammer, which only happened after day 1 was over anyway

[Chara]

i trust Maria's read on Dunn.

[Chara]

if you flip town i'll consider it.
not really, though.
what's your read on me Dunn?

[Chara]

i replaced somebody who hadn't made a single post, and i've been here all day.
i'm sheeping Maria because both times i haven't listened to her while townreading her, you were scum.

[Chara]

all game, not all day.

[Chara]

both times i haven't listened to her while townreading her, you were scum.

link?

I know about perpetual lylo

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=74958
Purgatory

[Chara]

i'm running on no sleep thanks to weekend, myself.

elephant: my point was she scumread him based on the hammer and conversation after that. her read on him before that point isn't too relevant go me. and to call the timing opportunistic when it's clearing based on a specific game event is a little strange to me.

[Chara]

*clearly based. also *relevant to me. i'm going to sleep.

[Chara]

i like the Chickadee wagon less and less.
come back to Dunnstral NM. and anybody else.
you too, Chick. what's your read on Dunn?

[Chara]

sorry. i'll try to put some more effort in here. i've been really tired.

[Chara]

VOTE: not_mafia

That’s what I was waiting for.

weren't you scumreading Chickadee?

[Chara]

i think Invis is town. why would you vote him?

also hi elephant, i'm also still here. i think Chick's posts today have been towny and you should join the Dunn wagon.

[Chara]

i guess i see what you mean. i trust Maria here, though, and i like 1648. i'm not very good at reading Dunn, i second guess a lot on him when he's scum because he does things i wouldn't see scum trying.

i could also vote Alch if that would go somewhere, he's not a townread.

pedit: i thought Dunn was voting Chick.

[Chara]

no, he's still on Maria. i don't know, i don't see Chick scum here, really.

scum Dunn might be trying to convince more players he's town, i guess. i do remember that being a thing.

[Chara]

doesn't matter there, Alisae replaced in an obvtowned.

[Chara]

not really a meta thing, though i do have a bit of relevant meta that provides a little insight to me personally.

elephant, i said the same things about Gamma that Maria did.
also i laughed at 'gammer'.

[Chara]

i think it's entirely possible Titus is scum with Dunnstral. this game has a lot of scum so i think PoE is even more useful.
i'm pretty confident in Maria/elephant/Invis/Cobbler town.
Chickadee/Toranaga could also be in there.

[Chara]

VOTE: Titus
actually this is good.

[Chara]

Maria's stream of consciousness case on Dunn, mostly. i've been fooled by her in the past as scum due to thinming i knew how to townread her.
i guess she's not as confident as the others but i still like her for town and i won't question that just because of paranoia for no reason to. reading her by her reads alone as well.
in class now, back later.

[Chara]

I'm done with this game honestly might sub out I'll think about it just a time killer atm

i hope you stay, but don't force yourself to. i think the game can get energy again though.

[Chara]

i just deep cleaned my entire home. can't wait to do it again in two days. love fleas.
and no not really. is there someone else you'd like to lynch Dunn?

[Chara]

i think Invis is town. why would you vote him?

also hi elephant, i'm also still here. i think Chick's posts today have been towny and you should join the Dunn wagon.

he pushed for Dunn, like fairly hard, in 1486 and 1751 then around when it collapses he just like says "oh i don't know why I sr'd dunn lol" and jumps onto alch. it's slimy.

i guess you could hide scum intent behind posting like that, but invis has just seemed very towny all game.
saying "oh i don't remember, never mind" is so on the nose i don't find it all that suspicious.

also why vote Toranaga if you think he's scum because of scum interactions with Dunnstral?

[Chara]

Titus wagon is good, Dunnstral is also scum and i could move to that again. @Lavos

[Chara]

i wish i was half as motivated as i was in perpetual mylo. the problem here is essentially the same.

would scum Dunn know who they'd just killed? though it could be WIFOM as Cobbler already said.

[Chara]

Chickadee you have absolutely not idea how hard i'm resisting saying something sarcastic here.
ahaha.

[Chara]

i actually think the chances of hitting scum here are pretty good, at least considering where my own townreads currently are. i should probably make sure all of them are valid at some point, but that won't be tonight.
anyway. i think Cobbler/Invis/elephant are all town and that Chick is more likely town.

[Chara]

i mean i get why you believe your reads, sorry if that's like harsh. i just don't get how to solve this or do much at all when people are just saying stuff like that and i can't relate to the feelings at all. like there are 5 scum and this is really hard and i guess i don't know how to do this from here, titus was my major tr by the end of yesterday and we lynched her and i'm not sure if i should stick with my tor/dunn reads or what. there are so many people I don't have major feelings on and there could be so many scum inside that pool.

it's fine, i know what you mean.
i do plan to go back and look at the validity of my reads like i said, i know "gut" isn't a satisfying answer, and it's not gut. i do confess i need to put in more effort than i have been.
i like these two posts for town, though, which does help something.

[Chara]

considering there are still five scum, i think finding someone who is probably scum no matter the team configuration might be one way. unfortunately there isn't a lot of wagon information (unlike perpetual mylo, which had consistent scum flips) so any of that kind of analysis will be less concrete.

[Chara]

Cobbler read: still confident there from Alisae's play, Cobbler hasn't done anything that would make me want to reconsider.

Alisae isn't just the emotional aspect; e can be very emotional as scum, it was the interplay between that and eir actual gamesolving, if e was scum i believe there'd only be one or the other.

Invis read has less going for it considering i don't know if invis is just naturally very chill and that's coming through in his posting. going to iso both regardless.

[Chara]

is there anyone with reservations on elephant and Cobbler town? if so i'd love for you to yell at me about it. might add Lavos to the list for his posting today, which i like.

[Chara]

dunn and alch are scum
chara is town elephant is town
basically it
havent really been paying much attention to the game

why are elephant and i town for you?

[Chara]

Um yeah ok, I think it's likely scum come into today with the intention of trying to get my lynch going

Toranaga supposedly knew MariaR was town yesterday, then upon her flip says to look at me again, though I was town to him yesterday - what?
Invisibility comes into today pushing me as well

Cobbler I can't tell, him asking me for my read of Chikadee feels like a leading question, I think she's more likely town than not btw,

i'll actually ISO this later but Tora if you could answer this now?

i just finished a newbie with Cobbler and though i haven't seen them as scum, i can now say that the beat of his play looks as town as it was in that game. granted i was scum so bias?

[Chara]

different how? obviously yes different because this isn't a newbie, but still.

also actually agree with 1967 in a vacuum because i don't know how to read NM right now. problem being i don't have a good scumread that i'm not second-guess anyway.
Toranaga, are you going to be around at all?

think i'm going to call it at Lavos/Cobbler/elephant for actually good townreads. still looking for feedback if anybody has it but also they're just. probably town.

[Chara]

oh uh. meaning the part of 1967 Dunnstral called dumb, because it was a reply to that.

[Chara]

i'll be back later. would the town i'm not townreading please do things so i can townread you.

pedit: NM could absolutely be scum, the issue is town NM could also play like this and i don't want to lose for something like that.
honestly though he's more likely scum than not. i'd just feel better about it if i had a few more strong townreads.

not sure why Alch died down because i don't remember who besides Invis were pushing for it. i know others were though.

peditx2: thanks. i'd like to IC again and hopefully do a less terrible job. though i don't actually know how i did because i was too busy being disappointed with my scum performance.

[Chara]

Majiffy
Toranaga
Not_Mafia
Alchemist21

Invisibility/Dunnstral

invis and dunn i'm townreading the most out of this PoE. remember Majiffy defending Alch earlier but i haven't looked in context yet.

[Chara]

blah.

[Chara]

would scum be more likely to be hanging back because they think we're off track? or is this just town disinterest. i mean i'm feeling it too but i also have a lot of time.
the game's still going, i still want to win it. the first scum flip would give some momentum again.
tell me what you think of my list.

[Chara]

it's not a loss. there's 6 town and 5 scum. i'm town, you're town, we just need to hit one of them.
would also like to see thoughts from you on my PoE/townlist. :>

[Chara]

Chick can you tell me about your Jiffy scumread? part of why i backed off on him was because of your townread there when i started townreading you. i think the other reason was not being that confident with the lack of support for the read.

[Chara]

when you're back elephant: i agree on Tor, from what i know he prefers town but if someone could confirm or deny that i'd appreciate it.
Chick i'd need to look at because i think she's felt towny. need to remember why i discounted Chick/Majiffy team.

[Chara]

i can't remember and i'm on mobile. trying to find where it was but whatever.
do remember that i found Majiffy scummier than Chick and preferred to wagon him over her while Chick was being wagoned, so it might be that.

[Chara]

Why not? Because you're his buddy?

Sure


But really, I don't get scum jiffy vibes here. I'll admit I haven't played with jiffy that much, but I feel pretty confident that this is vastly different from the scum game I've played with him. I know thats not much, but with how different it is, I'm not scum reading him at this point.

when did your opinion on him change from this?

[Chara]

Someone do a thing pls

PoE out Cobbler too.
i think trying to be sure on the entire scumteam today is going to drive me up the wall. actually do doubt that both of invis and Dunnstral are town and that's not because scum could quickhammer. if someone like Toranaga is scum (i think it's likely) then they wouldn't be able to quickhammer anyway.

[Chara]

meant to quote the post below NM's. also NM why aren't you doing something then?

[Chara]

I'm trying to reevaluate things. And looking back, I'm thinking maybe RC had something. Jiffy never questioned why I town read him. He just went along with it, saying he was happy to be pocketed.

did you question why he townread you?

[Chara]

Chick were you scumreading invis?

[Chara]

i think scum should have realized it, depends on the activity of their members however.
but for me it's just really unlikely that all of invis and Dunn/Chick are town. that's still in line with my reads though so not sure what it tells me.

[Chara]

idk if I entirely get the concept of scumreading someone because you were townreading them? like ofc some of town's townreads are going to be incorrect but don't quite see how that connects to all of them doing so?

when Chick first said that i was under the impression she decided to reexamine all of her reads and found something with Majiffy. that she agreed that she essentially just flipped her read on purpose is something i don't really know what to do with.

[Chara]

kind of in agreement with those. Majiffy is a big question mark for me to the point i really don't know if i want to lynch there?

i don't know about Ausuka, i know it's possible i'm wrong but i've really been feeling her play today. though i don't agree with the Dunn vote. an Ausuka lynch isn't something i'd pursue until after a scum Invis flip.

[Chara]

like just out of the two of them i'd want to vote invis. there's a lot from Dunnstral that i think could be town Dunnstral after all (if i think about how i've seen scumstral in the past), but Maria's read there bothers me. it was her only really confident read before she was nightkilled.
on the other hand i'm townreading invis more on feelings than by play, and i'm reluctant to just ignore that.

[Chara]

i'm scumreading Toranaga but he isn't active and i'm assuming it's an rl thing. don't want a Titus repeat i suppose.

[Chara]

i've been mulling over killing Maria to frame Dunn. maybe i'm biased but killing the player who scumread me the most is something i just did as scum, while hoping town would think i was framed. i mean it didn't work, but still.

why do you think i wasn't nightkilled? or you for that matter?

[Chara]

i'm coming up with reasons to not lynch anybody i think about lynching. blah.
elephant do you see any chance of town Toranaga? ignoring the activity entirely.

[Chara]

gamestate wise, i really doubt both invis and Dunnstral are town. if Toranaga is scum then Dunnstral probably isn't a partner, anyway, so ignoring invis/Dunn in favour of lynching Toranaga like i was thinking would maybe not be as helpful.

[Chara]

i'm too exhausted to think. i don't think elephant's scum, i'd be really surprised if that were the case this game. no real confidence in my scumreads but i do have that for finding town.
Ausuka/elephant being on different wagons is something. i wonder if invis is actually right and mafia was letting there be two town wagons. both scum of course not.
i think the simple fact that scum hasn't gotten a hammer anywhere yet is a good enough indication that we're okay, but i don't know what to do with that.

Purr: you're townreading Ausuka, right? you have her as scum in your list.

Cobbler: about Dunn's towngame, the games where he's been scum stick out to me more, don't remember him being particularly "obnoxious", mainly just that he had a line of logic i could follow.

[Chara]

oh, i see what you were saying earlier.

Gamma yes i agree he was towny, Titus not so much. why was she obvtown?

Invisibility/Ausuka/Purr

townreading Ausuka there.

elephant/Dunn/Chick
though Chick unvoted. i really don't think elephant's scum, he's also one of the three slots i'm sure about. can Ausuka and elephant both be town and scum is just dragging their feet?

it would surprise me, but i just finished a game with elephant where that was exactly the case for scum.
i kind of want to lynch in a slot i'm more sure is scum regardless of the current wagon configuration.

pedit: haha.

[Chara]

VOTE: Majiffy

[Chara]

Tor's postcount isn't AI, he left the site.

[Chara]

look, even if you are right hypothetically, i want to hit the scum that's scum regardless of possible teams. once we do that we're fine. i don't think elephant is scum.

[Chara]

the same goes for invis town.
elephant i had Majiffy in my scumlist earlier, which i asked for feedback on.

[Chara]

i liked that post.
good game! sorry Maria.

[Chara]

And bye the only scum I never caught was Chara, who replaced a pre-game flaker

i was here for essentially the whole game. :>

[Chara]

not sure why the game was so low energy. possibly the mislynches possibly something else? possibly elephant's machinations.

[Chara]

and now you'll never townread me again. not looking forward to it.

pedit: i know, right?

[Chara]

i think i really lost steam in the second half here. anyone who knew me would have been able to catch me at that point i think, but Alisae repped out and we killed Maria.

was really leaning on elephant for most of this. impressed with Dunn avoiding being lynched that whole time, too, and he even got townread for it.

Purr could have won this for town if they'd shown up earlier, i think.

[Chara]

right, i remember now.