Witches' Halloween Ball [Game Over]

[MariaR]

U-um hi

[MariaR]

Hi fam!

We should just ask our townreads to the dance basically right?

Karmeleon, do you go by Karmy? What's the short version of your name?

Well that seems like the basics but sometimes pairs are more better thought out by the group. Town doesn't normally like to do that though because 'teamwork'
Pedit: What's going on LLD what am I missing

[MariaR]

I like your style.

Karmy, would you like to go to the dance... with me?

TvT pair right here imo I don't mind it.

I don’t even know you! I’m okay with an early p2 read from someone I know

This feels a little forced

[MariaR]

Would you care to dance mr RadiantBells

Come on people this is like pregame no serious business

This is for shit posts and trolling only

I am scumreading rc

The troll is you asking RC to dance seriously B)

[MariaR]

Most importantly I'd like there two be at least two unquestionably TvT pairings that don't include me and I'd like to dance with ideally low priority nightkill town as well

My thoughts on this setup after playing it the first time is that we should go for


3 pairings of the most townie people with townie people (one is gonna die to scum's nightkill, and if we rely too heavily on being right for sure on the other one we can be screwed. Odds are we find at least one T+T pairing in the remaining 2).

Then we pair the remaining groups wiht the following values in mind:

Most townie remaining Lady -> Least Townie remaining Gent

by definition it'll create some TvT pairings but I think more importantly, it allows for us to put high trust targets with low trust targets. I also considered doing like 3 bad with bads for them to agree to die, but basically we need to have pairings where we can read them while also relying that there is a solid town person able to leave the dance if necessary.

While I agree this is 100% the best way and style to go at it. No one is gonna do it because people are playing to have fun first win second. If people want to match with friends there sadly gonna do it most likely. (Ugh I wish I was a gent so we could dance LLD)

[MariaR]

Now that I think about it me and LLD being a dance would get us auto lynched because we're both good scum players and that's all people would really need to push us >_>
pedit: That anger can be real but it's NAI anger.

[MariaR]

oh wait fuck, another join date concern.

Wait, is Karmeleon a hydra or alt or somehting?

Alt

Then Karmeleon is probably scum.

I've been looking over some of the old dances since my /in, and wow, this game is different. Cool, though!

Is that so? From what I remember it seems relatively similar. What's different?

---

But im most likely never gonna be obvtown nor in a "unequestionably TvT" pairing so I figured why not.

I just survived to endgame as scum, that doesnt happen to someone "easy to read"

Asking someone to dance who hasn't even posted yet is a questionable decision regardless of whether or not you meet the criteria for some optimal pairing. What about thinking you won't be widely townread leads to the conclusion of immediately asking someone to dance? Even further, I wouldn't take that last game as a real example of anything - from memory, you were pretty widely townread in Minuet's Trio and Forgotten Hourglass.

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I'm leaning Gamma Emerald and Sakura scum for now. It's slightly bothering me that people aren't seeming to take this seriously - even if you don't care about winning, you don't have to sabotage everyone else's chances of winning.

Found the first person I wanna dance with.

[MariaR]

I already told you good luck with it LLD, everything else you try saying is just you trying to assert some makeshift power you hold.

Pretty sure ur scum too rn

hm?

Does this game have four or three scum, I forgot

I believe this dumbtell

It’s 3

So scum team is LLD, Karmelon and [placeholder]

Sell me on these 2 ty
pedit: OF COURSE HE/SHE IS

[MariaR]

Why are all the ladies the ones posting good content and I have to try and read these bottom of the barrel gents REEEE

[MariaR]

We absolutely can control people's pairings. If you pair out of order, you die via lynch. Prerogative of the town. It takes two to tango, which means if you pair out of order, then two people agreed to do awful thing and that icnreases the odds at least one of you is scum.

So yeah, death for anyone who pairs early or pairs outside plan.

Good luck with that

It really will not be hard.

I promise if you pair out of order or early to spite us we will lynch you because it's anti-town. I don't care if you decide to do it as town as some kind of "message that yuo can't control people"

The fact is you don't need to flip mafia to be working for the scum.

But how do we know that you're not Mafia trying to control pairings?

There's a lot to gain for scum to decide who lovers are.

I'm going to be listening to confirmed town Radiant.

Oh please kill this

[MariaR]

This game would have been more fun to spectate, to be honest.

I'll be back later when I care more about analyzing than laughing at some of the things that's been said so far.

Preach

Why are you so worried that I asked Kokichi to dance? I had decided that i'd do that since he in'd for this because he's a cool person i like playing with. Besides it's not like he has accepted or rejected yet.

You're kinda easy to pocket when you're town Sakura so my worry is if Kokichi is scum with you town you'll hard defend him. The fact you ask with no breaks and it's a 0 poster makes me think you won't worry about that because you could be scu,.

Why are you so worried that I asked Kokichi to dance? I had decided that i'd do that since he in'd for this because he's a cool person i like playing with. Besides it's not like he has accepted or rejected yet.

By doing it early it shirks any way for us to plan pairings that optimize town's benefits. Additionally, doing it before KOKICHI HAS EVEN POSTED shirks our ability to try and isolate a scum and deny them a pairing.

Yeah this too.

[MariaR]

I wish I could dance with Maria so I could kill both of us if I thought she was scum and get my revenge for Forgotten Hourglass.

YOU SO WOULD TOO YOU JERK

[MariaR]

On one hand I'm happy that I have townreads
on the other I'm annoyed it's all ladies because the guys can't town tell to save there god dam life.

[MariaR]

can mala ask kar or sho to dance so I can kill them both.
Or we leave mala out atm.
Either of these please me

[MariaR]

What's your read on Gamma Emerald?

Before I answer why did you ask me about gamma out of everyone.

[MariaR]

can mala ask kar or sho to dance so I can kill them both.
Or we leave mala out atm.
Either of these please me

Why is Mala scum?

Had a really forced post that I didn't enjoy and no one else is really pinging me on the ladies side

I like your style.

Karmy, would you like to go to the dance... with me?

TvT pair right here imo

I don't mind it.

I don’t even know you! I’m okay with an early p2 read from someone I know

This feels a little forced

can mala ask kar

or sho

to dance so I can kill them both.

Or we leave mala out atm.
Either of these please me

???

I forgot why I was tring you ngl.

[MariaR]

Just iso'd gamma can see him being scum. But if he's scum kar prob isn't. Maybe I should just take back my kar sr and replace it with gamma.

[MariaR]

I think the only 2 people I can ask to dance are Bri/Sir cake sadly

[MariaR]

I think the only 2 people I can ask to dance are Bri/Sir cake sadly

Get ur hands of them.
They are my reserve dances

Back off sister. I can't dance with anyone else besides those 2.

[MariaR]

I wanna dance with Dunnstral.

Steal him from Maria~.

I refuse to dance with dunn this game so he's all yours.

[MariaR]

I wanna dance with Dunnstral.

Steal him from Maria~.

I refuse to dance with dunn this game so he's all yours.

Did he call you fat?

Yes I'm very upset.

[MariaR]

I wanna dance with Dunnstral.

Steal him from Maria~.

I refuse to dance with dunn this game so he's all yours.

Did he call you fat?

Yes I'm very upset.

*hugs* it’s alright, you don’t need him girl. You are better than him

*sniff* thanks I just came all dolled up and it took a lot of confidence to come here and-*cries* guys suck!

[MariaR]

Dunn's list isn't bad. I mostly agree minus fire/bri

[MariaR]

@maria I obv town really quickly once I start posting actual solid serious content so

Convenient

[MariaR]

k I wanna dance with cakez

[MariaR]

I'll wait for him to finish catching up or see if anyone has a strong reason I shouldn't dance with him but yeah that's prob my first pick

[MariaR]

Does this game have four or three scum, I forgot

I believe this dumbtell

Maria were you joking here? Because I don't think Firebringer is unaware of how many scum are in the game and this seems like a really weird reaction to his post. Why would you "believe this dumbtell"?

Scum would obv know they have 2 other partners ie 3 scum. So I believe fire when he says he forgot how many scum were in this game. So no I wasn't joking

[MariaR]

Scum would obv know they have 2 other partners ie 3 scum. So I believe fire when he says he forgot how many scum were in this game. So no I wasn't joking

I'm not sure that I believe that you believe this.

Either you really think Fire is derptastic or you are fabricating a reason to townread him

That "dumbtell" post really bothers me coming from you

You haven't played with fire clearly.

[MariaR]

Why brian

[MariaR]

Also Dva making up townreads is the easiest thing to do in the game. If I wanted to go the line of faking a townread on fire saying he dumbtold isn't the line I need to go.
Pedit: What were you expecting then

[MariaR]

@maria I obv town really quickly once I start posting actual solid serious content so

Convenient

It’s your opinion if you think my post was forced. I was asking because I want to legitimately know if he was townreading me for an actual reason or it was just one of those well Mala is town! I myself tend to pocket a lot of people who call me town and not think anything about it. Also the fact I tend to get lynched a lot D1 so for someone to town read me so early on really caught my eye.

But if you obv town really quickly why is it so shocking for someone to tr you? Unless we have 2 dif thoughts on what quickly means.

[MariaR]

Hm alright! I don't want you left out anymore.

[MariaR]

∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ Dear SirCakez Join me if you Dare We'll dance and laugh with glee For you I'd get down on one knee So won't you accompany me? Yours truly MariaR ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾

[MariaR]

*waves*

[MariaR]

I mostly agree with your lady picks besides Sakura but I disagree with your logic. I don't think you should match yourself with someone you think is scummy because that means we lose you. (At least that's what I assumed when you said dance with dva/sakura)

[MariaR]

Maria I think it's juuuuuust too early to accept ya know?
Sakura your ISO claiming to be hard to read is literally my thoughts on you every game we play.

Oh ye don't worry I get it. I'm just throwing it out there

[MariaR]

No one is doing anything to you fire. I don't know what you're talking about.

[MariaR]

Why don’t you care or want to be townread?

Because she knows kokichi will say yes regardless.

[MariaR]

Scum-scum won’t leave but means they lose 2 instead of 1 if Lynched
Last run Maria and Dunn screwed up by pairing with each other, though they did pocket me through that course of action
Though almost everyone screwed up that game

We didn't screw up imo. We were outright gonna win the game Katsuki just messed up by not hammering in time. That was even said in the dead thread. Scum/scum is very dangerous if played right

[MariaR]

you're right.

[MariaR]

Also I’m glad Maria just flat out ignores my reply. ^__^

Uh what did you say

[MariaR]

r u reading LLD as town, maria?

Atm yes.

[MariaR]

Also I’m glad Maria just flat out ignores my reply. ^__^

Uh what did you say

Apparently it’s really not important to you so whatever fuck it

I simply didn't see it. I wouldn't openly ignore you you're not Kokichi!

[MariaR]

Well that seems like the basics but sometimes pairs are more better thought out by the group. Town doesn't normally like to do that though because 'teamwork'

This is probably not that important, but I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

Tldr is there's a really optimal way to play this set up but town will never do it because of the teamwork it requires

[MariaR]

No go away.

[MariaR]

But I can't get people to say yes to my dances if I go away.

[MariaR]

I don't wanna get killed at intermission.

[MariaR]

oi cowbells get on dnd

[MariaR]

Also ik you wouldn't say yes anyway cause if we didn't get killed at intermission you'd sui on me in paranoia

[MariaR]

I wanna dance with Dunnstral.

Steal him from Maria~.

I refuse to dance with dunn this game so he's all yours.

This might be worth mentioning since it implies there's some out of game reason she doesn't want to dance with me when that's not the case (to my knowledge...)

So she has some other reason to not dance with me

We've danced every game. I want to switch it up *shrug*

[MariaR]

I find it odd LLD and Maria seem to both tr each orher

Btw if no one knows this if Maria or LLD flip scum
We need FoS the other because they are insanely at good at hiding scum associations together

This is really bad and you know it. Like are me and LLD good scum players? Yes but that doesn't mean you just auto fos the other player if one of us flips scum. I know LLD is a good scum player but I'm not gonna just go "Oh I would tr lld but it's lld so no" cause that's shitty.

[MariaR]

Well that seems like the basics but sometimes pairs are more better thought out by the group. Town doesn't normally like to do that though because 'teamwork'

This is probably not that important, but I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

Tldr is there's a really optimal way to play this set up but town will never do it because of the teamwork it requires

Are you willing to elaborate on what this strategy would be and why it would work?

I would basically require the IC and the town to work together to find the most town guy and lady and pair them off one at a time get 2 or 3 lock town v town pairs. Then you get the most scummy pairings together leaving the most scummy lady out of the dance.

[MariaR]

You people are townreading dunn way too easily btw. Nothing he's said is outside his scumrange. The only thing he's done that I've liked is he tr's a lot of the players I do but even then that's not a very good reason to warrant a townread.

[MariaR]

Kokichi are you going to say yes to Sakura by the way. I need to see who I want left out. I assume you're gonna say yes to her regardless but if not that'd be great.

[MariaR]

I'm not sure if I want to pair with Cakez atm given I'm not as widely townread as I was hoping to be. (Although considering I'm Maria I guess that's wishful thinking anyway)

[MariaR]

How do you feel about Sakura Chi Bri and sor @Dva

[MariaR]

Please never auto suicide it's one of the major factors on why town loses this set up over winning. It's best to lynch yourself.

[MariaR]

Well having opposite reads is more interesting/better than having the same I suppose. Can you go into more detail on Sakura for me.
Pedit: Fair enough.

[MariaR]

You're kinda easy to pocket when you're town Sakura so my worry is if Kokichi is scum with you town you'll hard defend him. The fact you ask with no breaks and it's a 0 poster makes me think you won't worry about that because you could be scum.

Mostly this I feel like town sakura would be more careful and aware of how scum kokichi can play around her. She doesn't have to worry about that if she's scum of course.

I think Maria<->Cakez is a good pairing.

I also think Dunnstral<->LLD is a good pairing.

Because frankly 1) I think all four of those names are town now seeing their posting

and 2) I think all four of those names are entirely unafraid of killing themselves to kill the other if they get the slightest hint of them being scum.

I do want to run it by other people's reads, specifically interested in our confirmed town's perspective on things, but yeah I think those are a few good pairings.

I dont have TRs on any of those 4

Hi yes people

Why does LLD look town?

It's always funny to me how my top scumread on D1 is always a universal townread (i feel like mentioning it's not LLD.)

Really, I am FoSing MariaR and LLD.

Where is any of the reasoning of why in these posts? She just shades players but never gives any reasoning herself on why she feels this way. The only reason I'm not pressing on this harder is town sakura always srs me out of fear.

The only Sakura post I found towny would this one because I know this feeling

Why don’t you care or want to be townread?

Because the thing that happens after winning a scumgame while getting obvtown or locktown read, is that people will question their ability to read me and will never townread me again, and so i will probably be ML'd for several town games in a row, so im just pre-emptively preparing for the worst.

Given I just won a scumgame myself and I expect a lot of people to suspect me simply because of who I am I can understand her feelings here. This can be typed as scum because she can truly feel this but this is the only post I've found remotely towny.

[MariaR]

I like that answer.

[MariaR]

I've had enough of this.

@Kokichi: If you accept im going to suicide as soon as first dance starts, so dont accept.

Just leave me to die if you guys are going to hung over my head all my past scum wins.

No one is doing this

[MariaR]

I mean about half the playerlist wants me dead so...
I'm not even gonna bother continuing to generate reads since ppl wont listen to me because lolscumread, and after i flip lollisteningtodeadppl.

And all because...

Everything Sakura does is fakeable

Literally that thing has been my stigma for as long as I have memory on MS.

I'm sorry but I've dealt with this all my ms life because I have a good scumgame and I'm not subbing out. No one is doing this to you. Fire just did this to me and LLD

[MariaR]

like i'm trying to establish a dialogue here about making you play differently with me in future games, i guess

no maria no one is paranoia scumreading you this game you are objectively scummy

coming from you this doesn't mean much. Also I wasn't saying I was getting paranoia sr I'm saying fire made a bs post just because me and lld are me and lld

[MariaR]

No one is doing this to you.

Given I just won a scumgame myself and I expect a lot of people to suspect me simply because of who I am I can understand her feelings here.

This can be typed as scum because she can truly feel this

but this is the only post I've found remotely towny.

Are you saying it's impossible to feel the emotions you're feeling rn as scum? Cause we both know that's false.

[MariaR]

Like I'm not even sring you anymore because you're doing the same thing you did in magical girls but I agree you shouldn't play if you can't handle being sr like that.
Pedit: You did the exact same thing in mylo though.

[MariaR]

No one in this game was scumreading you because of past games Sakura it was because of stuff that was happening in this game. You don't need to quit over stuff like this. You may find that game where people do sr you because of past games but it isn't this one.

[MariaR]

Pedit: You did the exact same thing in mylo though.

Did I?
All I remember is that I was crying because of another game and used that to fuel my emotion in that game.

Yes but relax and take a breather from this game. I can help ya post game if you like but for now dw. Don't let this get to you. I'll be the one who deals with that from people who think they can read me ^_~

[MariaR]

Why is the IC going with obv town when they should pick the most scummy female wtf

[MariaR]

Can cakez go with Sakura

[MariaR]

Cakez is obv town and so is Sakura.

[MariaR]

Like yes you're an IC but you can get a more towny/somewhat towny lady. We don't want our basic obv af town sakura and our IC in 1 pairing so don't say yes to that

[MariaR]

God I wish I played on an alt so there wouldn't be paranoia and I could dance with Cakez

[MariaR]

You don't pair obv town with the IC because they just die at intermission

[MariaR]

Having 3 pairings as lock town is nice but those aren't real yet.
Pedit: hm?

[MariaR]

Even if me and dunn paired you guys prob wouldn't believe my read on him.

[MariaR]

Like am I the ideal partner for Dunn yes but:
1) If he's town people will end up calling me scum
2) People won't believe me.

So *shrug*

[MariaR]

that's cute

[MariaR]

I'm still confused about how this works, does that mean that now both Kokichi and RC can accept anytime and I get locked to whoever accepts first?
Last time i played bee asked me right off the bat and i instantly accepted so...

Yes

[MariaR]

Ever have that feeling that you're obv town and you can explain why but if you explain why people are gonna go 'wifom' or 'you planned that' so you don't wanna explain it and just hope someone says it for you? Really feeling that rn

[MariaR]

preach sister

[MariaR]

FUCKING PREACHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[MariaR]

I'd complain too but not the thread or time so I'll do something productive.

Who do you tr in the gents

[MariaR]

I guess you believe that Maria really thought Fire was dumbtelling with the 4 scum thing?

That post really bothered me ngl

Why does it bother you so much? Everyone was saying firebringer was trolling. Is it that hard to believe that I thought fire really forgot how many scum are in the set up?

[MariaR]

Why does it bother you so much? Everyone was saying firebringer was trolling. Is it that hard to believe that I thought fire really forgot how many scum are in the set up?

yeah but trolling implies he knows the count and is acting dumb to provoke a reaction, it's very different from thinking he *actually* doesn't know the scum count in an open game

I know he tends to be way more focused on his personal relationships with people in games than on the actual scumminess of people but that seems pretty disengaged even for him

I don't know him saying he really did forget makes him scum but it certainly doesn't make him town

pedit: guess people are online right now

He could fake it you're 100% right I wouldn't base just my townread on that one little thing because any dumbtell can be faked. I don't think he did though. I find fires posting fine besides that whole ordeal. What I don't understand is how it is so impossible for you to understand my pov that you're scumreading me hard for it

[MariaR]

I myself had a moment where I forgot how many scum were in the setup. I corrected myself 10 seconds later but I did. I don't think it's so impossible as people say. We're not perfect human beings who have everything edged into our brains. Forgetting stuff like that isn't shocking.

[MariaR]

like maria says dumb stuff like that it's nai

Why are you being a dick for the sake of being a dick rn. It's not needed at all stop.

[MariaR]

What I don't understand is how it is so impossible for you to understand my pov that you're scumreading me hard for it

you're highly capable and when you were town in Boundaries of Reality I felt like I really was in a groove with your posts (even though it's like we weren't even town in that game together since I died n1 and you only started posting on d2, but I did read that game closely).

I just really felt out of groove with you on Fire here and that has me very worried because a player as capable as you won't make a lot of slips

that being said I'd still lynch Gamma over you

pedit: I feel like I'm having a Cakez moment here with these preview posts

Having disagreements/talks with other people is good and fine. Hell I would rather we not have the same reads (or at least the same reasons) to tr people because that's 2 dif viewpoints that can get talked about. Yes we're not grooving as you say but I don't think that's really scummy. I think looking at the reasons and seeing if you believe said reasons is more important then the read itself. I do understand that what fire said can be fake but that's not the only reason I want him to advice to the next stage of the dance. Gamma I have a really really good read rate on. He made 1 good post the rest of his iso is meh. I understand your want to lynch him but I would wait a bit more

[MariaR]

I want Sakura Kokichi and Dunn to tell me how they feel about moment because I feel moments play here is night and day from BBtag

[MariaR]

You're doing that thing you did when we were a hydra and overthinking all your shit RC.

[MariaR]

I'm getting that nagging little itch I got with LLD before. It could be my headache though and I should head to bed but I'll recheck in the morning. Gotta keep my 100% lld track record after all
Pedit: Correct

[MariaR]

I need to debate if I wanna risk going with someone towny
or if I should just go with someone scummy because I think people might paranoia lynch me down the road
Right now I'm leaning the latter.

[MariaR]

I'm getting that nagging little itch I got with LLD before. It could be my headache though and I should head to bed but I'll recheck in the morning. Gotta keep my 100% lld track record after all
Pedit: Correct

The itch is probably that I haven't told RC to go fuck himself yet.

I've been holding that pocket of scorn deep inside my soul this game because it's not useful.

Oh how I wihs I could be confirmed town one of these games, instead of people whose reads I don't fully trust but am kind of obliged to

I would never want to be conf town in this IC is my least fav role. RC being an IC is a double edged sword because he'd have prob been killed at some point regardless but now scum have an easy excuse if his reads are wrong and that's scary

[MariaR]

That sounds nice but then I get PTSD flashbacks to the last dance games where I was town and no one trusted my reading on my partner. Anyway bed for me gn friends

[MariaR]

Missed that from Maria
The thing is shed alt slip at some point and blow her cover

Jokes on you I've only alt slipped once. Besides I have an alt that's been hidden for a few months so ha.

[MariaR]

Ok who wants to dance with me.

*crickets*

[MariaR]

Missed that from Maria
The thing is shed alt slip at some point and blow her cover

Jokes on you I've only alt slipped once. Besides I have an alt that's been hidden for a few months so ha.

Well you’d out it anyway

Continue to act like an expert when you have no idea what you're talking about. What was your point of the original comment anyway?

[MariaR]

No one needs to pair with you yet

Wait how much time do we have

tbh we could wait until the deadline runs out and everybody but you and Sakura would leave the dance

Can we fucking not?

[MariaR]

There's 0 point to playing the set up if all we were gonna do is pair a towny IC with an obv town and just go "hey guys let's just wait until deadline." Like why would you even play this if you were trying to do that strat.

[MariaR]

There's 0 point to playing the set up if all we were gonna do is pair a towny IC with an obv town and just go "hey guys let's just wait until deadline." Like why would you even play this if you were trying to do that strat.

Tbf if this would actually work I'd do it : shrug:

ik you would because you play to win not have fun and win.

[MariaR]

Where's the fun in that.

[MariaR]

Like if you even tried to do that strat I would ask every single guy just to stop it.
pedit: Clearly OOF

[MariaR]

Like if you even tried to do that strat I would ask every single guy just to stop it.
pedit: Clearly OOF

MariaR that strat wont work regardless coz scum would pair up last minute.

Very true

[MariaR]

Chibi Cakez or Chibi Short imo

[MariaR]

Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral
Kokichi Oma
Karmeleon
Brian Skies

Moment
Princess Celestia
Lady Lambdadelta

Moment/LLD is prob 1 and only 1 scum

Would leave Princess out period atm.
Guys atm I lean Bri/Gamma
Everyone not in this list I tr

[MariaR]

Actually eh I'm not so sure Chibi is town

More about Mala atm

Na Chibi is hard town

[MariaR]

Maria's Firebringer comment

Never gonna let that go are ya.

[MariaR]

Someone remind fg to prod the 2 poster later.
pedit: STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[MariaR]

Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral
Kokichi Oma
Karmeleon
Brian Skies

Moment
Princess Celestia
Lady Lambdadelta

Moment/LLD is prob 1 and only 1 scum

Would leave Princess out period atm.
Guys atm I lean Bri/Gamma
Everyone not in this list I tr

I assume that you have reasons to Scumread me; why? And this goes to DVa/Moment as well but MariaR and I have history and since RC is relying on others to read me I’m trying to see if MariaR is trustworthy.

Your iso is mostly just...lackluster it's very easy for me to look at a game and go "yup gamma is town" and I can't do that here I don't see the tells I do with town you. You lack barely any passion your posts just feel watered down and...meh you've made 1 post I consider good but the fact I can't lock you as town yet is just worrying to me

[MariaR]

Dance with me Cakez, we will play games all night long!

oh hell no

[MariaR]

It was more so I don't want you with obv town.
You can take like...gamma or some shit

[MariaR]

Oh or Bri take 1 of those 2

[MariaR]

As long as you have no issues of me pushing you for it by all means.

[MariaR]

It's ok fire pup I'm sure you'll get the man of your dreams sometime soon.

[MariaR]

We shouldn't kill princess we should put her with the most scummy gent. Killing her pre dance gives a lot less info compared to leaving other ladies out.

[MariaR]

Water pokemon don't need you.

[MariaR]

We should put up a sign that says 'No Water Pokemon Allowed.'

How dare you ban Squirtle!

RIGHT

[MariaR]

Maria if I put you in townblock will you tryhard to prevent yourself being mislynched down the line?

Considering this is my fav gametype/mode hell yeah.

[MariaR]

MariaR address my post at pagetop pls

What am I suppose to be addressing about that post?

[MariaR]

Maria what is your read on me?

No comment.

[MariaR]

MariaR address my post at pagetop pls

What am I suppose to be addressing about that post?

The fact it doesn’t seem you’re adjust your read on me at all

You're acting like you know how I read you. When you don't. Your change of playstyle from being aggro to mild isn't what makes me have you as a meh read. Given I've seen you be aggro like in children before.

[MariaR]

i feel like if you scumread me every single game you're really not trying.

this one made me laugh

[MariaR]

Sakura ignore him he's not worth it trust me.

[MariaR]

Like don't quit because of people like

that

[MariaR]

the difference between me and you, maria, besides the fact that I have it far, far, far worse than you have ever had it

is that I haven't given up trying to enjoy my town games.

I enjoy my town games a lot don't know where you got this from!

[MariaR]

Anyone try the chicken? I heard the chicken was great!

[MariaR]

Anyone try the chicken? I heard the chicken was great!

this is a scum claim if i ever saw one

firepup pls no

[MariaR]

admit u and lld are partners. i caught u red handed

neverrr

[MariaR]

I'm so fucking out of patience with this game. I've tried extra fucking hard to be nice and calm and like try to work with the townie person and it's just like my reads go in one ear and out the other with this dude so whatever.

*hug*

[MariaR]

Cakez say yes to me so we can lurk out and not have to read the rest of this ty.

[MariaR]

I didn't even know you could ask everyone....god it's prom all over again.

[MariaR]

I didn't even know you could ask everyone....god it's prom all over again.

YO MARIA.

HIT ME UP WITH SOME OF THAT 100% READ ON LLD ACTION.

KAPPA.

IS THIS REALLY THE TIME SISTER.

[MariaR]

Should I dance with dunn?

Give me a bit and I can answer that for you.

[MariaR]

Unless Dunn? Do you wanna claim I can't read you <3

[MariaR]

Also why does every game have to be so angry

Fuck you whiny bitch go sit in the corner B)
Pedit: I GET IT LLD DW

[MariaR]

Dunn if I asked you to dance rn would you say yes.

[MariaR]

Also why does every game have to be so angry

Fuck you whiny bitch go sit in the corner B)
Pedit: I GET IT LLD DW

Can we play a real game after this one Maria

This game makes me want to disembowel myself.

Just toss me the link and I'll join

[MariaR]

if you pair dunn i probably can't put you in townblock maria

Don't really care.

[MariaR]

if you pair dunn i probably can't put you in townblock maria

Don't really care.

YO HIGH FIVE

Watch me get called scum now too AYYY

[MariaR]

fk

[MariaR]

Alright you pass.
I'm not asking.
Pedit: YEAHHHH

[MariaR]

Honestly same I love this set up and game. And I'll prob live for a bit so that's awesome too!

[MariaR]

kaito and maki dancing together? shocking

We're not hush

[MariaR]

I still think DVa should be paired with me

ha...hahaha I KNEW IT I KNEWWWW YOU LIKED THAT. AHAHAHHAHA

[MariaR]

Dva you should've just paired with who you wanted. This game's about having fun. If it was more fun for you to pair with someone else and handle the game like that you should've. Just because 1 person tells you to do something doesn't mean you have to do it.

[MariaR]

Yeah but I never put enjoyment of the moment over confidence in reads or winning

There's an easy way to do both!

[MariaR]

Dude he said I was going to get move to tier 4 if I was with Karmy

and Karmy didn't accept the risky proposal so he kinda lost his chance

I was warming on Dunn but my acceptance there was totally on the confidence of RC's read

Brian I was confident on but I feel like he's unreliable

so it's like all my options have been fucked

at some point the game needs to move forward

We play mafia because we enjoy mafia and it's fun. That is always the golden rule. Sure if you paired with someone else could it have been a bit harder? Maybe but that doesn't mean your'e game throwing it's just a harder game and that's fine. Don't give up your happiness for a mafia game. No one wins that it just makes you feel drained.
I rather have a ton of fun doing my best and lose then feel awful when I win (It's why I stopped using ate as scum fun fact)

[MariaR]

Dva you should've just paired with who you wanted. This game's about having fun. If it was more fun for you to pair with someone else and handle the game like that you should've. Just because 1 person tells you to do something doesn't mean you have to do it.

So do you want to pair with me, or should we mix things up?

I don't think you'd be a fun dance partner. So I'ma go with cake or bri plus I've danced with you every game. (Ironic as this is why I should be tr imo but hey)

[MariaR]

Like I feel anyone who knows how to read me should know scum me would just pair with Dunn and get him to townread me period. I'm easily able to do it.

[MariaR]

Oh wait no one here knows how to read me that's right I forgot HA.

[MariaR]

Like I feel anyone who knows how to read me should know scum me would just pair with Dunn and get him to townread me period. I'm easily able to do it.

Ping btw

I would and I would win. Because I know how to pocket you. I've done it before. People have seen me do it before. The way for scum me to win would be get you to defend me again while I pocket you in the head. No one would question me pairing with you again. This isn't me trying to use this as scum because I wouldn't make this argument as scum I would just do my plan. No matter how much you think you can't get pocketed by me I've done it many times and you know this

[MariaR]

fuckin rekt

maria do you think dva is cute

oh I would've danced with dva after post 1 if I was able

[MariaR]

I'm witness to MariaR's statement, but I dunno why she's even bringing it up.

Mostly because I expect to be sr somewhere down the line and it's nice to have these in my iso for quote reasons why that does happen.

[MariaR]

Gamma.
@Dunn

[MariaR]

Wait I've thought gamma was a lady for like...idk how long but I thought gamma was a lady for quite a bit LMAFO

[MariaR]

give me a bit to think on that then
pedit: HELL NO

[MariaR]

give me a bit to think on that then
pedit: HELL NO

Who would you pair with out of the gentlemen?

Exactly cakez and I'll settle for Kokichi if I must

[MariaR]

HA you would dance with a pony

[MariaR]

I'm waiting for cakez to say yes already

[MariaR]

Hm? You say something?

[MariaR]

May I have your hand in this dance? Assuming all your choices are already taken

Why do you wanna dance with me so badly?

[MariaR]

May I have your hand in this dance? Assuming all your choices are already taken

Why do you wanna dance with me so badly?

Did you obvtown like the other game?

I mean yeah it's clear I'm obv town but still, I want him to answer my question.

[MariaR]

May I have your hand in this dance? Assuming all your choices are already taken

Why do you wanna dance with me so badly?

My options are you, fire, mala, and lld, and I'm assuming fire is going with gama, DON'T flatter yourself

Really though times have changed and now I think the best pairing we could form is with each other

Wow so rude. Maybe if you ask a little more nicely

[MariaR]

ur a tsundere if he asked nicely you would make fun of him and reject him.

I am not a tsu take that BACK

[MariaR]

Hey Dunn-kun

Wanna go dancing with me? I'll make sure to step on your toes.

[MariaR]

We'll see who he says yes too.
*shrug*

[MariaR]

I've been pretty sure dunn was town for ages I just wanted to spice it up a bit and try to partner with someone new. But Cakez is taking a bit long. If dunn wants to wait for Cakez to say yes fine with me but *shrug*

[MariaR]

I'm mostly worried of people not taking my word on dunn but what you gonna do

[MariaR]

Oh hush. I've wanted to dance with cakez he took too long.
Who do you want left out kokichi? (ps I can't sleep please help)

[MariaR]

Had a dream Mala and Bri were scum.

[MariaR]

Idk I just remember both of there names in red on the alive part of the game. We prob killed 3rd scum along the way

[MariaR]

fk you fire
toxic trashbag

[MariaR]

Anytime <3

[MariaR]

I could've sworn MariaR TR LLD pretty hard, but instead it was this.

I'm getting that nagging little itch I got with LLD before. It could be my headache though and I should head to bed but I'll recheck in the morning. Gotta keep my 100% lld track record after all
Pedit: Correct

Moment/LLD is prob 1 and only 1 scum

P-Edit: If what you say about not trusting MariaR to read LLD right is true then this is kinda weird.

I've never read LLD scum wrong actually

[MariaR]

VOTE: Kokichi Princes
For once I can vote for Kokichi when I don't scumread him it's Christmas morning.

[MariaR]

What happen to your sr on me Dva?

[MariaR]

Sakura why do you think I'm scum? I think I'm pretty blatant town with how LLD played around my slot.

[MariaR]

VOTE: DunnriaR

I wouldn't have a problem with this vote if Princess started it but doing it right after Sakura's post calling me scum feels very convenient and opportunistic

[MariaR]

Atm I want to kill Fire Princess I think that really is it because I have reasons to townread everyone else. Expect for 2 people but there mostly tr by everyone else so I'll leave it be.

[MariaR]

I think Maria<->Cakez is a good pairing.

I also think Dunnstral<->

LLD

is a good pairing.

Because frankly 1) I think all four of those names are town now seeing their posting

and 2) I think all four of those names are entirely unafraid of killing themselves to kill the other if they get the slightest hint of them being scum.

I do want to run it by other people's reads, specifically interested in our confirmed town's perspective on things, but yeah I think those are a few good pairings.

I keep coming back to this post all the time for some reason.

I think it was pretty clear LLD was trying to buddy me and that's why when LLD was freaking out I just stopped posting around her. At one point (when I said the nagging ich) I kinda knew LLD was scum because I always get that ich when she's scum. I didn't want to enrage the fake ate more so I just kinda stepped back from it after. I can't say that a scum team of me/lld wouldn't buddy. I mean I don't think we would be that blatant? Can't say it's all theory but what I can say is why does scum LLD and me buddy so blatantly early? I did want LLD dead I made that point clear.

[MariaR]

I think fire is scum if there's scum in gamma/fire btw.
Princess is obv scum to me and I'm losing my bri tr but I'll get into that after league

[MariaR]

I know I need to explain a few things but super busy day for me
VOTE: gamma fire

[MariaR]

Last chance for anyone to object to the lynch order because it no one raises an objection good enough for me to reconsider right now the train is starting.

this is cute

[MariaR]

I really can't tell if you're that naive about your whole lynch order or you truly believe it's gonna happen.

[MariaR]

Interesting. I disagree but at least your view isn't as naive as I first expected.

[MariaR]

I don't think your reads will have more influence in your death as you think they will. Will some people respect them and maybe use them for reasoning to some extent? Sure scum will if scum is in that pairing and town might too. But if it comes down to the wire I doubt people will go "I'm not voting those 4 because RC said so." It's most likely to get ignored and forgot about though if we're thinking realistically. I think you'd be better off for finding reasons to call X scum then Y town. That's just my own outlook though I could be foolishly wrong.

[MariaR]

I never said anything about my like or dislike with the pairings in that post I just said I don't think people will follow it when push comes to shove so I don't know how you got that from my post. My like/dislike of the pairs has nothing to do with it

[MariaR]

Ik I'm not making end game this game because my scum range is too wide for me to be a global tr unless I'm within a certain playerlist that understands how I think. Sadly this isn't it and that's perfectly fine. Do I know how to read Dunn? Yup but the problem isn't dunn in this pairing it's myself. So of course I'd want to be one of the last 2 pairings but that's just wishful thinking
Short you Chibi and Bri? So far I don't have much issue besides maybe Bri with outside of you. But I'm not even considering your guys death until I deal with the other 2 pairings first.

[MariaR]

You tell me you're the one jumping to conclusions that were never there.

[MariaR]

Well it seems like you're trying to freak out RC so I don't know what you were trying to achieve with your last few posts

Once again another post of yours I will never understand how you reached that point.
I wasn't freaking out RC I was saying if he really thinks the end pairings are going to be X and Y because he says so he's a fool and would have better luck explaining why Z is scum

[MariaR]

Wtf

Dunn is definitely the problem in your pairing Maria

Ok and I can read Dunn. Point?

[MariaR]

I've openly said I'm not going with Rc's plan before but sure thing gamma

[MariaR]

When it's crunch time people are going to trust there own reads when RC is dead period. I can see maybe 2 people blindly sheeping RC? The rest hell no. For whatever reason it being either they don't trust his reads, wanting to trust your own reads w/e the reason. So I'm trying to tell RC if he really wants to be a good IC and help stop saying "these 4 are town never lynch" cause that won't work.
Gamma got any other reason to vote me or are you going to conveniently keep your vote on because your point is moot.

[MariaR]

And I’ve been feeling off on you anyways so I’m keeping the vote

this is why you're getting voted. your timing is super convenient and seemed like you were waiting for a point to jump in. Exactly like Princess tbh. Care to explain this 'off' feeling? I won't go into the "you'd never get scum me" (Although it's tempting because facts back it up) but you just going 'Maria is off and I can never explain it' isn't good. You do know you know you're not going to be one of the last parings correct? So you should be explaining why I'm scum so people can go "hey gamma was really towny for that push" cause right now you're not doing anything.

[MariaR]

We have 3 mls and they're gonna be most likely used on fire/princess and 1 of me/cakez pair if I was a betting lady. Do you think that solves the game are you content with that Gamma?

[MariaR]

My SR of maria is increasing.

You always sr me though.

Always

[MariaR]

And I’ve been feeling off on you anyways so I’m keeping the vote

this is why you're getting voted. your timing is super convenient and seemed like you were waiting for a point to jump in. Exactly like Princess tbh. Care to explain this 'off' feeling? I won't go into the "you'd never get scum me" (Although it's tempting because facts back it up) but you just going 'Maria is off and I can never explain it' isn't good. You do know you know you're not going to be one of the last parings correct? So you should be explaining why I'm scum so people can go "hey gamma was really towny for that push" cause right now you're not doing anything.

I guess I can elaborate, I never said I couldn’t explain it btw
But you denying our history doesn’t look good

Still waiting. Also I never in that post said anything about our history. What even is our history to you.

[MariaR]

Maria why do you scumread me and or gamma

I'll get back to you on that

My SR of maria is increasing.

You always sr me though.

Always

Everyone always scumreads you, huh?

Na only like 3 people? You mostly just can't read me period.

[MariaR]

On my rereading...
Chibibear, you say you have gone over Lady's posts and think it is me or Kokichi? What about Lady's posts says that? It seems too easy to just claim you have done something and have a reason when not saying the reason.

No offence but that's a little ironic coming from you. You say I'm soooooo scummy and then never explain why. It seems too easy to just say something and not say the reason. If you really think I'm scummy then shouldn't you make a case? Right now I have a pretty good chance of making it to endgame, are you just going to let that happen if you really think I could be scum?

Since everyone else was looking for possible scum interactions in LLD's posts I also wanted to try my hand at it. Having gone back and read it, I feel that the way she talked to/about Kokichi could possibly be s+s because of stuff like the way she advocates for him to be in the top pairings but not in a sort of passive way. I believe that I had Kokichi as lean town in the early game but my read of him has gotten less and less town over time. I figure that even based on statistics alone, I can't be wrong on

all

of my reads.

Keep for bookmark for catch up

[MariaR]

Alright let's get cracking woo no more depression!

[MariaR]

Maria why do you scumread me and or gamma

I feel like your interactions with LLD can be seen as scum. I did have a pause when you stopped pushing me but I think I'll forever want your slot lynched given how you and gamma are playing. Not that the play is bad it's just hard/not progressing my read on you guys (more so gamma then you) so yeah I think you guys flipping helps me the most at the moment but that can change on the catch up let's see