Limbo l Victory!

[Dunnstral]

I think toxic goo and vanilla town should claim

Any objections?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Dunnstral
statistically? scum.

hahahaha, no

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

Welcome USERNAME. You are Gluttony the Voracious.

[Win Condition/Alignment goes here]. Please reply to this PM to show that you have confirmed. Here is the link to the discussion thread. Best of luck.

Besides your voice and your vote, here are your other abilities:

Ice Cream! [Active]: You are a Neapolitan. You may investigate a player in order to discover if they are Vanilla or not. Only Vanilla Townies will return 'Vanilla' results, all other roles will return as 'Not Vanilla'.

This is why I called for vanilla roles to claim

[Dunnstral]

Yeah, that's the kind of vote a scum Maria makes
VOTE: MariaR

[Dunnstral]

What a convenient claim

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

Let's just reset

[Dunnstral]

^ Scummy

[Dunnstral]

So why did you unvote manateedude?

[Dunnstral]

Carca is named town

Elsa, Lady and to a lesser extent Dunn can be town

I can see where this heading. :(

But I don't think scum!you would want to narrow down the lynchpool so fast. Well, it's still a large, but are you going to kill these 5 in a row?

UNVOTE:

This is awkward

[Dunnstral]

Snowman's probtown

Everybody's probably Town. But are they?

This is kind of awkward too

VOTE: Kokichi

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: ManateeDude

[Dunnstral]

I meant to vote you because you're playing like scum

[Dunnstral]

^ scummy

[Dunnstral]

And why did you unvote me if I'm playing like scum?

Don't worry, I'll come back for you later

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say purrcocet is making things up as they go along

[Dunnstral]

3/5 in lylo with 5 scum isn't good enough, by the way

[Dunnstral]

I'd have had Chara so it's 4/5

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say purrcocet is making things up as they go along

[Dunnstral]

^ Scummy

VOTE: Dunnstral

Theres at least 1 wolf on my wagon, town takes more time to think through a post and the alignment which cannot be done with a what post.

[Dunnstral]

town takes more time to think through a post and the alignment

So do town "not do that" and there's 3 mafia voting you, or do town, in fact, do that?

[Dunnstral]

^scummy

[Dunnstral]

Creature has been prodded.

(expired on 2018-11-03 11:04:10)

We have 20 damn hours and I'm not feeling the Dunn and Mana wagons. So we get rid of the slot that'll fuck us later.

VOTE: Dunnstral

So I don't get accidentally prodded again.

What changed between these two posts?

I called her out

[Dunnstral]

Vote Count 1.10

MariaR:
Almost50: Purrcocet, MariaR
Dunnstral: Kokichi Oma, ManateeDude
Kokichi Oma:
Elsa Jay: Nosferatu
Lady Angel: Almost50
Joey_:
Creature: Carcalilly
Purrcocet:
Carcalilly:
Nosferatu:
Chara:
Snowman:
ManateeDude: Snowman, Dunnstral

Not Voting: Joey_, Creature, Lady Angel, Chara, Elsa Jay

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

(expired on 2018-11-12 18:38:36) :!:

Vote Count 1.11

MariaR:
Almost50: Purrcocet, MariaR
Dunnstral: ManateeDude, Almost50
Kokichi Oma:
Elsa Jay: Nosferatu, Lady Angel, Carcalilly
Lady Angel: Snowman, Chara, Kokichi Oma, Elsa Jay
Joey_:
Creature:
Purrcocet:
Carcalilly:
Nosferatu:
Chara:
Snowman:
ManateeDude: Dunnstral

Not Voting: Creature, Joey_

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

(expired on 2018-11-12 18:38:36) :!:

Vote Count 1.12

MariaR:
Almost50: Purrcocet, MariaR
Dunnstral:
Kokichi Oma:
Elsa Jay: Nosferatu, Lady Angel, Carcalilly, ManateeDude
Lady Angel: Snowman, Chara, Kokichi Oma, Elsa Jay, Almost50
Joey_:
Ruby Red:
Purrcocet:
Carcalilly:
Nosferatu:
Chara:
Snowman:
ManateeDude: Dunnstral

Not Voting: Ruby Red, Joey_

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

(expired on 2018-11-13 18:38:36) :!:

Look at when the votes are on me and where they move to - will probably be important later

[Dunnstral]

Hey, ManateeDudge/Almost50/Kokichi, why are Elsa Jay/Lady Angel better lynches than me from your perspective?

[Dunnstral]

speaking of

VOTE: dunn

Forgot who you were for a second, my memory is still shaky but this brought me back, ah yes you always did like voting me all the time

[Dunnstral]

Hey wasn't Creatures meta that he's always scum when he low posts, and always town when he posts a lot? Like, he's super easy to read, right?
And didn't Creature just get replaced for being prodded 3 times? I always feel vad for lynching off Creature meta, it kind of feels like he's cheating, but I also don't want to be willfully ignorant - we should lynch the Creature slot

[Dunnstral]

Creature has not posted within 2 days and has reached his two prod limit.

Searching for a replacement. Please standby.

Replacement found!

Please welcome Ruby Red!

Adding 24 hours to the deadline.

VOTE: Ruby Red

[Dunnstral]

Personally unless ruby can prove they've "read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed" I'm going to call it out as a blatant lie hiding behind an alt account

[Dunnstral]

Interesting how Performer is defending Ruby

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Dunnstral

dunn's play this game doesnt look like his town meta, but the below is just....ruby , STOP :lol:

i've read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed

like i can think of literally one instance of me misreading you as compared to multiple instances of me reading you correctly (as both town and scum) so don't come at me with this "oh you always vote me"

Notice how this only comes after I vote ruby

[Dunnstral]

Oh and MariaR is scum, like I said, Like she's ACTUALLY SCUM and you guys are going to let her get away

[Dunnstral]

dunn's play this game doesnt look like his town meta, but the below is just....ruby , STOP :lol:

i've read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed

like i can think of literally one instance of me misreading you as compared to multiple instances of me reading you correctly (as both town and scum) so don't come at me with this "oh you always vote me"

What's my town meta, performer?

[Dunnstral]

Hey performer, considering you misvoted me in our last 2 games together shouldn't you have more to say about this game? Why are you acting like you know my "town meta"?

Yeah, after giving this some time it really could be Dunn as the other partner.

That voting on hydra, maria, ok. But then the vote on me & accusation against ceejay earlier in the thread just looks like pocketing of ceejay before his inactivity replace.

And saying it's alright to keep sky in lylo if she's town? Got to be kidding me.

VOTE: dunn

Whoa. Maria was vt??

I was set on pushing her today because she & dunn had meta, so I thought the fact that she was voting him , was interesting to say the least.

----------------

I see what you mean about the carcaformer associatives. It looks like early distancing on both parts. Since all three of us agree on the carca read then thats probably the better lynch out of the two come EOD.

associatives? What are you even talking about??

My main issue with performer is that I explained why I mentioned c d e and he's still trying to redirect to meta and other stuff

I think I've seen enough from Dunn and intent to hammer.

reasons for dunn to be town:

Performer is scum and rc probably is too, those are my reads

That's it???????
If I knew dunnstral was going to give a not_mafia reply, man....

VOTE: Dunnstral

VOTE: performer

sigh
:facepalm:

Dunn you didn't mention me (though I'm town, yess) in your c, d, e.

This is the background information I know so far:
-schad & I have hosted games where we’ve seen rc as scum and town, and I’m sure a good # of us have seen him scum or town. Schad has seen my scum game before
-played with carca 3 years ago when we were town
-

dunnstral’s playstyle typically gives me a scum tone

-can’t recall if I played with nsg before

[Dunnstral]

Not sounding like this, for one
Not being all that engaging either

Not being all what engaging?

Not sounding like what?

[Dunnstral]

Why do yout hink you can come in and naked vote me after pointing out creature's very real meta?

[Dunnstral]

Maria is scum because I know she would be thinking more into my alignment as town, the was she just goes whatever and votes me is very scum indicative and it's a real tell

[Dunnstral]

Not sounding like this, for one
Not being all that engaging either

Go into detail - what is my town meta performer? You're voting based off it - explain your vote, please

[Dunnstral]

@Chara: Noted. You might have noticed I didn't look at you much either, and it's for a reason.

Right now Purr is exhausting all her chances with me. I said I don't see scum!her doing this silly push on me, but she has outdone herself with that "selective/out of context quoting" which you know I really hate. Now why would TOWN ever do that when the explanation was not even a line below, but started ON THE SAME LINE she stopped at?

VOTE: Purr

This needs to get flipped NOW rather than 24 hours later!!!!

VOTE: A50
Will give more thoughts later but for now

Can we get those a50 thoughts now? I want to know what you were thinking, and you said you would but never did

[Dunnstral]

I'm about ready to rev up the chain lynches on Dunn/Man if 1 flips town tbh

Alright let's just
VOTE: Dunn

Gross

[Dunnstral]

Dunn: minimalistic post content and not seeing why he thinks tchill has an agenda, that he’s pushing an agenda.

@una wait a minute...Boon is here? As in Boonskies?
your wall posts are fairly difficult to unravel :?

VOTE: Dunnstral

here's my actual meta on the way performer is acting: This is performer in a scum game, whhere I'm pushing on tchill - both performer and tchill are scum here

[Dunnstral]

Look how similar that is to his play here ^

It's all he can do, spout off some inane reason to scumread the person voting his partner while awkwardly trying to interact with them in places like this:

dunn's play this game doesnt look like his town meta, but the below is just....ruby , STOP :lol:

i've read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed

like i can think of literally one instance of me misreading you as compared to multiple instances of me reading you correctly (as both town and scum) so don't come at me with this "oh you always vote me"

Like I'm about to scour his scumgame to see how he interacted with his partner under pressure

[Dunnstral]

Typical day 1. Nobody wants to lynch anybody lol.

That's not true.
I feel like I'm always one of the few who enjoys wagons and lynching, in every game. Not prematurely, of course.

I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?

Why?...

[Dunnstral]

The tone from that quote in 495 in the other game is eerily similar to the tone he takes with ruby in 567 in this game, just saying.

[Dunnstral]

It's performer + Ruby I can gaurantee that, Maria is probably scum too but less sure, they've all shown their true colors

[Dunnstral]

Here you go Kokichi: viewtopic.php?p=10543444#p10543444

[Dunnstral]

burden of proof is on you there chief

You're hiding behind an alt and claiming you've read me correct on other unnamed accounts, I don't know how the burden of proof can be on me when you're making baseless claims that nobody here (except for you) can verify/double check

[Dunnstral]

Yes I know creatures meta but I don't think it falls into it. He was actually active till being force replaced

Was he active, though?

He got prodded 3 times, meaning he went 3 48 hour stretches without posting anything at all. How is that active? ALl he did was post multiple times in a row - THAT'S NOT REAL ACTIVITY

[Dunnstral]

Let me put this into perspective: Creature posted 28 times on November 2nd

But Oct 31-Nov 1, and Nov 3-Nov-9? He posted 8 times

[Dunnstral]

8 times over the course of 8 days he was in this game, he just posted 28 times over something like 2 hours and they were all empty posts. Don't be fooled - creature was very much living up to his scum meta in this game

[Dunnstral]

burden of proof is on you there chief

You're hiding behind an alt and claiming you've read me correct on other unnamed accounts, I don't know how the burden of proof can be on me when you're making baseless claims that nobody here (except for you) can verify/double check

Are you disputing the factual truth of what i'm saying or are you just saying that it's not verifiable? This is actually important here because you've already indicated that you know who i am so you're straight up lying if you're trying to argue that i haven't correctly scumread you recently

I don't remember who you are, actually, I know it was revealed at some point but don't remember where that was or who you were, just that I knew who you were kind of

But if I knew? Then yeah I'd be going through your past games and picking out the quotes that I know would disprove this, there isn't this mystery person who's good at reading me, I know you're not Giga who by all means could make that claim, and Maria is in this game, and that's about it

[Dunnstral]

listen - straight up i replaced into this game expecting to be scum. i thought creats replacing out was a sure fucking thing. imagine my surprise to see a green role pm

i was really only looking to just make shit up and lolpush people as scum so it caught me off guard. thankfully you were kind enough to scumclaim for me and make things easy

How do you feel about Performer's reaction to my posting, then? On the last few pages, and also what I pointed out

[Dunnstral]

"Oh it's you the person who

always

votes me", i say "lol that's BS i've read you correctly every game we've played except one"

WE'VE PLAYED 2 GAMES TOGETHER

Get out of here with that

[Dunnstral]

Page 2 deepwolf

don't question me. if he's wolf he will be deepwolf.

wolfy post btw.

prodge busy

hey dunnstral can you stop looking like scum and start being town

unironic request

wolf poe:
{UnaBombaH, Tchill13, Dunnstral, Performer, SIV36, Kokichi Oma}

VOTE: unabombah

zzz una is probscum but vla

let's do this first

VOTE: dunnstral

@dunn and una if you're town start fucking doing something

does anybody disagree with this lynchpool:

{unabombah, profii, tchill, dunnstral, performer}

my point was that i wanted to burden of proficiency you on dunn.

Gun to head I'd call Dunn town if you want a read so badly
Pedit: It's ok to be a little petty~

maybe i should blacklist you for calling my reads bad, then?

Hi MariaR

wolfiest pop-in of all time

@town vote this

Is this supposed to be the game that you townread me?

You've read me wrong 2/2 times

[Dunnstral]

Like sorry, I don't remember who you are. If you're going to play on an alt, don't try to bring up games not on that alt when people don't know who you are - you don't get to have your cake and eat it too

[Dunnstral]

Yes I know creatures meta but I don't think it falls into it. He was actually active till being force replaced

Was he active, though?

He got prodded 3 times, meaning he went 3 48 hour stretches without posting anything at all. How is that active? ALl he did was post multiple times in a row - THAT'S NOT REAL ACTIVITY

Anyways, this is really important Kokichi/others

[Dunnstral]

With creature? It's not, he has a longstanding and shockingly accurate meta of being a high poster as town, and being a super low poster/lurking out as scum. Like, super reliable meta

[Dunnstral]

Guys, i've talked a bit to creature outside this game and he's really just not living it up well enough to play these games.

Is that why he's in multiple other mafia games, right now?

And get out of here with this - you really expect Creature to say anything that condemns his slot for an ongoing game?

[Dunnstral]

Guys, i've talked a bit to creature outside this game and he's really just not living it up well enough to play these games.

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=27374

Search users posts. Go on.

[Dunnstral]

Purr I'm not scum just because I pushed on Maria come on

Performer is blatant wolf I would vote there too, in fact:

VOTE: Performer

I don't want to talk about ongoing games but if you investigated you'd see what I mean.

If it can't be talked about then I don't really care to investigate it? Like, I'm not going to be able to use it in an argument

[Dunnstral]

Dunn never tries like this. Ever in 3 games we were in

Simply untrue, but maybe you forgot

[Dunnstral]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76567

What about this game Performer?

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=67016

What about this game, Performer?

There's no possibly response to this that will make me change my mind, he's flabbergasted that I'm coming at him this hard and is trying to deflect with simply UNTRUE statements, LET'S LYNCH HIM

[Dunnstral]

918 POSTS IN ONE GAME

DUNN NEVER TRIES LIKE THIS

[Dunnstral]

The other game is from little over 3 months ago so it's a lot fresher - I'm clearly trying there, playing vaguely similar to I am here as well

[Dunnstral]

anyways, that's my case on Performer, I hope some of you guys can be persuaded to consider

[Dunnstral]

You're so scummy Maria

[Dunnstral]

Not liking ruby or Dunn

Nice distancing after getting CALLED OUT

[Dunnstral]

Ruby/Performer interactions with each other are so awkward when they're both under pressure

[Dunnstral]

Hey MariaR, I thought you enjoyed games where I tried hard? Why are you taking a back seat now that I'm putting in work? Furthermore you seem content to just vote park me while lining up another lynch for tomorrow

[Dunnstral]

Can you read my posts about performer?

Do you want to try hard together?

[Dunnstral]

Aren't I scum?

If you want to be town you should play like town

[Dunnstral]

I didn't know there was a definition to playing as town please tell me what it is.

Not questioning my authority

[Dunnstral]

For real though, Performer has serious chances of being scum, near confirmed fo rme, Ruby I'm worried I'm wrong about but I still believe he has to die at some point this game just due to creature meta - which people are pretending like doesn't exist this game for some reason, no it's VERY real

[Dunnstral]

For real though, Performer has serious chances of being scum, near confirmed fo rme, Ruby I'm worried I'm wrong about but I still believe he has to die at some point this game just due to creature meta - which people are pretending like doesn't exist this game for some reason, no it's VERY real

"my deflection onto ruby red isn't working, need to try an easier target"

You're gonna be like this every game we play together, really?

[Dunnstral]

i'm just trying to play to my wincon.

clearly

[Dunnstral]

Can we vote performer now?

[Dunnstral]

Charas stance feels like one scum with TMI on dunn would take.
So if Dunn flips scum I feel Chara is town
if Dunn flips town I'd look at Chara

That's 2 preflips you've set up with me flipping TOWN

[Dunnstral]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76567

What about this game Performer?

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=67016

What about this game, Performer?

There's no possibly response to this that will make me change my mind, he's flabbergasted that I'm coming at him this hard and is trying to deflect with simply UNTRUE statements, LET'S LYNCH HIM

Notice how he just does'nt even have a rebuttal for any of this and is just hoping I forgot about it

[Dunnstral]

I'm not really scumreading purr, I think that they think th at I'm scum b ecause I pushed maria early in this game - it's called getting reactions guys, and if you don't believe me then when is my scum play to ever hard push mariar out of the gate and why? I don't win that fight

[Dunnstral]

Dunn snow carca vote scum with me. Purr, ruby , elsa. Dunno why nos voted her but from replace in she looks scummy

I don't really understand this post, who are you saying is scum here?

And if it's not me then what happened

[Dunnstral]

elsa, please. you are making the literal cardinal mistake of towns which is lynching the people who say outrageous shit over the

silently scummy people.

haha

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

Oh, the one who started the Performer push is the one with their vote on them. Shocking.

He's at L-2 with Joey bailing, and honestly if we get a claim from him and/or Dunnstral, this will settle itself.

I take issue with you acting like you started a performer wagon

[Dunnstral]

Tunneled on again by Ruby Red

Yeah no that's still creature slot and still needs to die before end game for that reason alone but the posts they are making as well are scummy

Let me tell you guys something:

1: I'm naturally suspicious. You all can see that. People Will ALWAYS find a reason to scumread me.
2: I purposely leave multiple reasons to scumread me and see who goes after what clue, and Ruby went after the literally weakest clue.
3: That means they're either an open wolf who went for the juicy mislynch or he's a townie who'll hurt us in the long run if he's around day 2 and onward.

[Dunnstral]

slayers gambit haHA

everybody get off of me

[Dunnstral]

I'm not NotMaf,

Caught you red handed

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Ruby Red

[Dunnstral]

By the way, when the thread completely dies this close to deadline with these wagons? That's how you know It's town getting wagoned

[Dunnstral]

this has nothing to do with Ruby's posting: anyone who is townreading Creature based on his meta isn't doing this right. he simply wasn't here long enough to even be able to make that judgement to begin with. Creature is capable of content-posting as scum for shorter lengths of time.
also 867 from Ruby is disingenuous.

He was here long enough to demonstrate that he wasn't posting, actually

[Dunnstral]

Let me put this into perspective: Creature posted 28 times on November 2nd

But Oct 31-Nov 1, and Nov 3-Nov-9? He posted 8 times

8 times over the course of 8 days he was in this game, he just posted 28 times over something like 2 hours and they were all empty posts. Don't be fooled - creature was very much living up to his scum meta in this game

He had a burst of posting which he is capable of as scum - look at the rest of his games posting though

[Dunnstral]

Weird that creature's real life issues keep getting brought up but he just replaced out of this game and kept playing in his other games.

[Dunnstral]

Who do you guys want to lynch outside of me/performer/ruby?

[Dunnstral]

Probably because you came in and tunneled me all day long while ignoring side convos

[Dunnstral]

I can't sell Dunn as anything either way at any given game if my life depended on it. I am just going for the lynch that's likely to go through rather than settle for a no lynch.

Please try to change your scum hunting ways given your usual procedure doesn't net you any prizes at all.

[Dunnstral]

Is this True Dunn? Are you the unsortable sort?

That depends on who you ask
I can believe it coming from a50 - I think them just sitting on me to 'get a lynch' while complaining about you tunneling him is pretty lame though

[Dunnstral]

Look at Carcalilly's vote onme too - like look at their iso and try to figure out why they are voting me

[Dunnstral]

So we have:

Kokichi, Purrcocet, Ruby red, the scumhunting gods who all caught me as mafia within their first 5 posts then tunneled on me all game - no seriously, look at their isos

almost 50, Carcalilly, neither of which is actually scumreading me and just want a lynch or something, because that's good gameplay

[Dunnstral]

ok honestly what the hell

i was entirely convinced i was replacing into a scumslot but now like... i have to put effort into this game

man

carca is locktown

dunn probwolf

Considering how me and Lady are the ones under pressure ATM, would you like to give your opinions on us?

i think you're both lovely people

that's my opinion of you

Hello ruby i remember when u pocketed and murdered me in jjh's game

sorry to finesse you like that but it had to be done

i honest to god was not prepared to be town in this game so you're gonna have to give me a moment to actually tryhard

so purr who is scum and why is it dunnstral and why aren't you voting him

i think whether toxic goo claims should be up to toxic goo.

Hi! Long time no see

I hardclaim town.

oh god what does that role do

According to the possible role list, Toxic Goo automatically poisons any player who targets them. Needless to say, leaving this unclaimed as a town role is a bad idea.

I agree. I'm not toxic goo.

Yeah, that's the kind of vote a scum Maria makes
VOTE: MariaR

You voting Maria? Am I dreaming? Or are you just scum this game

Can you people stop talking about goo/vt claiming? At this point it's not gonna happen and the useless chatter around it only clogs the thread more. Why not we move this into more productive matters? Like voting the obv scum that already posted lol
VOTE: Joey

Why is he obvious scum? Also, I feel like VT shouldn't claim but goo should claim so our investigates don't die. :)))

What's convenient about it?

I've never seen dunn sr maria this fast when he was town.

VOTE: dunn

VOTE: Maria

Low effort pagetops

VOTE: Dunnstral
statistically? scum.

If either of u rolled mafia this game your death is assured

Welcome USERNAME. You are Gluttony the Voracious.

[Win Condition/Alignment goes here]. Please reply to this PM to show that you have confirmed. Here is the link to the discussion thread. Best of luck.

Besides your voice and your vote, here are your other abilities:

Ice Cream! [Active]: You are a Neapolitan. You may investigate a player in order to discover if they are Vanilla or not. Only Vanilla Townies will return 'Vanilla' results, all other roles will return as 'Not Vanilla'.

This is why I called for vanilla roles to claim

......

DONT claim vanilla lol

I got something we could solve

VOTE: Dunnstral

Scumhunting gods, all have just tunneled on me all game

[Dunnstral]

Lady Angel is really scummy on reread
Manateedude was very scummy

[Dunnstral]

Anybody who sits in the back and cares more about lining up lynches than who we lynch today can be playing to scum wincon yeah

[Dunnstral]

Are you familiar with Creature meta? I'm going to make a big colored chart for you guys and we'll see who still wants to argue with me when I present factual statistics regarding creature

[Dunnstral]

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6.1 posts per day - 122 posts/20 days - Mini Normal 2033: Dolphins - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77289

5.5 posts per day - 155 posts/28 days - Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77242

4.88 posts per day - 161 posts/33days - Open 737: Stack the Deck - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77146

4 posts per day - 36 posts/9 days - THIS GAME (with no night phases and posts from another game included)
3.3 posts per day - 53 posts/16 days - THIS GAME, extrapolated to after night 1 with a full day phase, with posts from another game removed

3.29 posts per day - 214 posts/65 days - Mini Normal 2030 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77190

2.25 posts per day - 99 posts/44 days viewtopic.php?f=52&t=70810

2.19 posts per day - 68 posts/31 days - Mini Normal 1925 - viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72508

But I haven't factored out night phases. Some games, like the 4.88 posts per day town game, had a night phase that lasted ~4 days that skewered the stats. Additionally, this game hasn't had any night phases, which further skewers the stats in relation to this game so his post count appears higher than what it would be. Furthermore, Creature made posts that were intended for another game topic in this thread, further inflating his own postcount in a matter I'd deem unfair to consider in this game.

But you know what? we can extrapolate the results - we subtract 2 posts from his postcount (34/9), then multiply his post count and days by 1.55, bringing us to 53 posts/14 days, almost perfectly. Then, we add 2 more days to simulate the night phase - 53 posts/16 days, and now we have a fair extrapolation of his contributions - I've added the results above.

Even then, his posts per day is still likely too high than it would be if he weren't replaced and kept playing the game - he really worked on inflating his post count early on in this game.

As a bonus, I'll show off how very real Creature activity meta is, and how it's handled in other games:



Now obviously this was
A) from almost 2 years ago
B) made for micro games, while this is a large game

So I'm not going to try to interperet stats and compare to these charts, but this proves that creature meta was - AND STILL IS - a very big deal in reading him.

But wait, it gets better, let's look at Creature's self-made wiki page to see what he thinks about this:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Creature


Now let's stop ignoring the MATHMATICALLY LIKELY scumslot - the slot that is very high probability statistical scum - Don't act like you guys can read RUby Red when you don't even know whose alt it is, just go for blatant scummeta Creature who happens to be the same slot

VOTE: Ruby Red

[Dunnstral]

Ruby either lurks or outright subs out as scum.

I'm calling you out - that's untrue.

[Dunnstral]

Please provide links to backup your claim

[Dunnstral]

Might as well full claim it then, since I'm basically a Miller with my role. I'm a Ninja Lawyer. I make people look innocent/vanilla to our cops and make it look like they didnt visit anyone to the tracker/follower.

I can actually prove myself though and I will target you I guess Chara. And ONLY the Vanilla Cop should check you. Because unless your also claiming VT this will 100% confirm my ability, at least. You'll show up as vanilla. Garunteed.

I don't understand why we should be confirming your ability - why does it matter if you're lawyer

[Dunnstral]

Ruby either lurks or outright subs out as scum.

I'm calling you out - that's untrue.

Please provide links to backup your claim

Back up yours to disprove me.

I don't have to back anything up - you said Ruby "lurks or outright subs out as scum" - that's UNTRUE as chara just demonstrated

Why are you completely ignoring dozens and dozens of creature games in favor for meta in ONE game Ruby was in

[Dunnstral]

You really think Ruby having 1 scum game and replacing out of that game means they're not scum because they haven't replaced out of this game?

Like, really?

[Dunnstral]

Like you're not this clueless Maria, what gives?

[Dunnstral]

@Mod Ruby red is due for a prod

[Dunnstral]

@maria serious question since everyone ignored it earlier.
what is rubby's main.

She's not going to tell us, but she's going to keep making references to the main's meta

Even though it doesn't matter what the main's meta is, they can be playing differently on an alt

[Dunnstral]

Ruby either lurks or outright subs out as scum.

I'm calling you out - that's untrue.

Why are you completely ignoring dozens and dozens of creature games

Are you familiar with Creature meta? I'm going to make a big colored chart for you guys and we'll see who still wants to argue with me when I present factual statistics regarding creature

i dont like that you keep returning with that age-old reason for scumreading ruby

:up:


---------
pedit at Elsa: LOL

Maybe I keep returning with it becomes it holds true game after game and the flimsy meta arguments that are used against it are only on technicalities (Ruby has 1 scum game and replaced out of it, therefore she always replaces out as scum)

[Dunnstral]

Perf you realize I switched to Ruby Red because your wall post gave me second thoughts on you being the scummiest person?

[Dunnstral]

@maria serious question since everyone ignored it earlier.
what is rubby's main.

Debating if I should answer this cause it's kinda dickish but also needed at the same time

Don't worry, it's not needed - Ruby Red chose to play on an alt, we should judge them based on their alt. After all, alts can be made to play differently from main accounts

[Dunnstral]

Dunns playing dumb because he was in the game ruby alt slipped
keep it up

Oh my god, I don't remember who they are, I've said this twice this game at least

[Dunnstral]

Ruby either lurks or outright subs out as scum.

I'm calling you out - that's untrue.

Please provide links to backup your claim

Back up yours to disprove me.

I don't have to back anything up - you said Ruby "lurks or outright subs out as scum" - that's UNTRUE as chara just demonstrated

Why are you completely ignoring dozens and dozens of creature games in favor for meta in ONE game Ruby was in

You're calling me out with nothing to base it on so sit down.
Pedit: Do you not know who ruby's main is?

Again - You're the one who came forward with the notion in the first place, I'd like to see you prove it. Right now there's nothing to disprove - it's like if I said Almost50 and Purrcocet were the same person and asked them to disprove it, it doesn't work like that

[Dunnstral]

actually, regardless of your alignment

(which is more likely than not town)

[Dunnstral]

youre young so why is your memory like this.

AM I really getting grilled for this

It happened over a year ago and I don't remember who it was - I haven't played with ruby red much

Do people really not believe me when I say I just don't remember it?

[Dunnstral]

This man Dunnstral spent maybe 40 minutes compiling pie charts and graphs and percentiles for a slot that isn't here anymore
At what point did he ever make a real scum case on Ruby with any decent reasons
The key word is decent

Meanwhile you've never made a case this game period but you'll hound on me for daring to bring up Creature meta after heleft

[Dunnstral]

I'm not acting like a monkey - I backed up my claims, other people are trying to counter with their own claims but nobody has anything substantial, the most worthwhile I've seen is "Ruby feels like town on tone" or that general gist of it in which case it's not hard to come into the thread and tunnel on me like an ape when there's interest there

[Dunnstral]

How about. You get out of your tunnel look at how that wagon showed up in a matter of pages
and focus on legit scum before I vote you

ooo scary, like I said lady angel looks like scum on a reread - of her iso and of the votecounts

[Dunnstral]

You are a Lawyer. You may protect a player from any investigations during the Night, causing your target to Investigate as the least incriminating result to any investigative roles e.g. Vanilla [Vanilla Cop/Neapolitan], Town [Cop], No Target [Tracker/Follower].

[Dunnstral]

Weird how when I'm the one getting run up there aren't 2 people shouting about how I'm obv town even past meta evidence when I'm not even participating in the threat

[Dunnstral]

There is no reason for EJ to use their role ever this game unless we're trying to confirm their role - which we don't need to do - or she's trying to target goo

[Dunnstral]

they know the town meta is to burn shitposting with fire and act like posting paragraphs makes u somehow better

Are you serious?

[Dunnstral]

Ruby hypothetically going back and bringing up stuff from past games to prove a point:

like i bet i could go through literally every single completed game on this site in the past three months and in EVERY SINGLE GAME find an example of a townie who said some stupid ass shit and got lynched for it over scum.

do you really want to just do the exact same thing that happens every single game? to keep lynching the exact same lynchbait who gets lynched every single game?

literally like BLEEDING TOWNINESS....

Me actually going back and bringing up stuff from past games to prove a point:

All it takes is some color text for u dummies to vote town ?

[Dunnstral]

Your reasons for townreading Ruby all tie into her "townread on performer", except she said:

if dunnstral flips town then i'll be the fucking first one on performer's wagon (hell, even if dunn flips scum it's a possibility)

dunn should still go first

So clearly she plans on changing her point of view on day 2, if scum - of course you're way too tunneled on me to consider this, but if you consider that I'm town than she really looks pretty bad? Especially if performer is town too

[Dunnstral]

I'd bet you're just townreading Ruby Red because they're pushing me and you're scumreading me

[Dunnstral]

elsa, please. you are making the literal cardinal mistake of towns which is lynching the people who say outrageous shit over the

silently scummy people.

[Dunnstral]

So what is it a50 am I scum tunneling you or town sring you.
To be quite frank I can't remember a game where town me tunneled you. Care to refresh my memory

That wasn't your stance earlier:

Ruby either lurks or outright subs out as scum.

I'm calling you out - that's untrue.

Please provide links to backup your claim

Back up yours to disprove me.

I don't have to back anything up - you said Ruby "lurks or outright subs out as scum" - that's UNTRUE as chara just demonstrated

Why are you completely ignoring dozens and dozens of creature games in favor for meta in ONE game Ruby was in

You're calling me out with nothing to base it on so sit down.
Pedit: Do you not know who ruby's main is?

[Dunnstral]

Though I'll agree that I don't necessarily agree with the notion that you tunnel Almost50

[Dunnstral]

Dunn I really have 0 clue what you're talking about with the first post.

It would seem your stance earlier was that you should be the one to prove that Almost50 was wrong, instead of asking him to prove it

Maybe I'm just salty that you're applying all these double standards to me for some reason

[Dunnstral]

if you care about winning the game it does

of course i care. no reason to be anxious about it irl, however.

and one mislynch day 1 isn't going to kill us. in fact as i've previously jokingly argued... day 1 scum lynches are anti-town.

not that i want a mislynch.
but the votecount tells me a few things. for one, i'm having difficulty imagining a world where Dunnstral is scum while Maria is town. so either they're both scum, or just Maria is.
or she's town and having a difficult time catching Dunnstral scum this time around, but that she's actively avoiding outing her read to see how others react to the Dunn wagon tells me this one is very unlikely.

and so the end result is... i'd like to lynch Maria in spite of the good feelings i had from her when we spoke directly.

but that doesn't seem viable today. i no longer want Ruby lynched, but i'm paranoid that Purr is just wrong and Ruby is simply being charismatic in a way i like right now.
paranoia is not often correct for me, so i'll discard that and call Ruby town for those things, because i

am

fairly confident Purr is town.

so that would lead to.
VOTE: Dunnstral

pedit: is Ruby's wagon being resisted that fiercely?

Chara this really isn't the time for you to be pushing your "it's better to lynch town than scum" mantra that is only technically true and doesn't lead to good results if you intentionally go for it

Guess what - me getting lynched isn't going to make you guys vote ruby red

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Dunn

Fine with me.

Why is it fine with you?

[Dunnstral]

nobody who believes their argument strongly says "i don't want to be willfully ignorant, we should do this". they would say "creature is scum for lurking".

it isn't hard to argue the numbers here because in most cases they're literally factually correct. arguing shit that's literally factually correct is what scum do all the time to appear like they have genuine convictions in something. that's exactly what dunn is doing with the creature meta shit.

If it's factually correct then just die already, or do you think we should trust you in lylo/mylo when you're statistically scum?

The difference between our pushes is that you always push me in every game so I can't sort you based on it wheras my push makes sense if we're trying to win the game

[Dunnstral]

Hey dunn, is any of your scumread on my slot based on anything that I've actually done this game?

By the way, what do you say to this thing that I pointed out a while ago? You were in this game, by the way.

btw hey look it's creature having a replacement posted in the thread

he came back in that game (and was town)
and i replaced creature like 10 fucking minutes after AG posted in the replacement thread

there's really not a lot of difference between these situations.

July 7 -

New York 213: A Really Large Normal Game

Moderator:

Ircher

Status:

Day 2, 97 pages

Replacing:

[]ArcAngel9[/]

Also need a replacement for Creature.

722 posts in that game.

[Dunnstral]

25.8 posts per day - 722 posts/28 days - NY 213 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76567

He posted 25.8 times per day.

[Dunnstral]

Yeah I don't know where I got 28 days from either, It is something like 84 days making it 8.6 posts per day - which falls in line with the rest of his town games

[Dunnstral]

because if he were scum he would have been voting dunnstral (i.e. his counterwagon) when he was getting wagoned earlier in the game. that's literally independent of my read on dunnstral. you don't have to think dunn is scum to agree with that.



if you do take scum!dunn into account then he was an obvious scum cw though

But this same logic doesn't apply to me, for some reason

[Dunnstral]

I never "voted my counterwagon" - I BUILT wagons on Performer than built a new one on you when I was doubting my read on performer

[Dunnstral]

Vote Count 1.14

MariaR:
Almost50: MariaR (1)
Dunnstral: Kokichi Oma, Purrcocet, Performer, Ruby Red (4)
Kokichi Oma:
Elsa Jay: Lady Angel, ManateeDude (2)
Lady Angel: Elsa Jay, Almost50 (2)
Joey_:
Ruby Red:
Purrcocet:
Carcalilly:
Performer: Dunnstral, Joey_ (2)
Chara:
Snowman:
ManateeDude: Snowman (1)

Not Voting: Chara, Carcalilly

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

(expired on 2018-11-14 18:38:36)

Is this me "voting my counterwagon" Ruby?

Vote Count 1.22

MariaR:
Almost50:
Dunnstral: Kokichi Oma, Purrcocet, Ruby Red, Carcalilly, Almost50 [5]
Kokichi Oma:
Elsa Jay: Lady Angel, Alonzo [2]
Lady Angel:
Joey_:
Ruby Red: Performer, Dunnstral [2]
Purrcocet:
Carcalilly:
Performer: MariaR, Elsa Jay [2]
Chara:
Snowman:
Alonzo:

Not Voting: Joey_, Snowman, Chara

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-11-16 18:38:36)

How about this?

[Dunnstral]

wtf why aren't i locktown for you yet

obviously me not replacing into this game until page 20 is a towntell????

ping

[Dunnstral]

{Kokichi, MariaR, Ruby Red, Almost50, Alonzo, Lady Angel, Performer}

[Dunnstral]

{Kokichi, MariaR, Ruby Red, Almost50, Alonzo, Lady Angel, Performer, the worst}

[Dunnstral]

and I would also townread MariaR and Carcalilly.

You would, but why aren't you?

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

dunn did you ever tell me why you're trying so hard this game?

I can try however hard I want without it being AI

[Dunnstral]

Dunn vote Snowman with me?

I don't scumread Snowman and the way Ruby latched on to your scumread of snowman while they had no read at all there previously is very telling

[Dunnstral]

25.8 posts per day - 722 posts/28 days - NY 213 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76567

12.9 posts per day - 220 posts/17 days - Open 739: Epic Duel - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77435

12 posts per day - 180 posts/15 days - Open 736: Diffusion of Power - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77349

8.46 posts per day - 203 posts/24 days - Mini Normal 2024 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76996

8.36 posts per day - 326 posts/39 days - Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77310

7.72 posts per day - 247 posts/32 days - micro 816-II: pokemon go - viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76964

6.1 posts per day - 122 posts/20 days - Mini Normal 2033: Dolphins - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77289

5.5 posts per day - 155 posts/28 days - Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77242

4.88 posts per day - 161 posts/33days - Open 737: Stack the Deck - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77146

4 posts per day - 36 posts/9 days - THIS GAME (with no night phases and posts from another game included)
3.3 posts per day - 53 posts/16 days - THIS GAME, extrapolated to after night 1 with a full day phase, with posts from another game removed

3.29 posts per day - 214 posts/65 days - Mini Normal 2030 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77190

2.25 posts per day - 99 posts/44 days viewtopic.php?f=52&t=70810

2.19 posts per day - 68 posts/31 days - Mini Normal 1925 - viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72508

But I haven't factored out night phases. Some games, like the 4.88 posts per day town game, had a night phase that lasted ~4 days that skewered the stats. Additionally, this game hasn't had any night phases, which further skewers the stats in relation to this game so his post count appears higher than what it would be. Furthermore, Creature made posts that were intended for another game topic in this thread, further inflating his own postcount in a matter I'd deem unfair to consider in this game.

But you know what? we can extrapolate the results - we subtract 2 posts from his postcount (34/9), then multiply his post count and days by 1.55, bringing us to 53 posts/14 days, almost perfectly. Then, we add 2 more days to simulate the night phase - 53 posts/16 days, and now we have a fair extrapolation of his contributions - I've added the results above.

Even then, his posts per day is still likely too high than it would be if he weren't replaced and kept playing the game - he really worked on inflating his post count early on in this game.

As a bonus, I'll show off how very real Creature activity meta is, and how it's handled in other games:



Now obviously this was
A) from almost 2 years ago
B) made for micro games, while this is a large game

So I'm not going to try to interperet stats and compare to these charts, but this proves that creature meta was - AND STILL IS - a very big deal in reading him.

But wait, it gets better, let's look at Creature's self-made wiki page to see what he thinks about this:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Creature


Now let's stop ignoring the MATHMATICALLY LIKELY scumslot - the slot that is very high probability statistical scum - Don't act like you guys can read RUby Red when you don't even know whose alt it is, just go for blatant scummeta Creature who happens to be the same slot

VOTE: Ruby Red

[Dunnstral]

His sitewide activity is fine and he's been playing in other games ever since he replaced out of this one, and the meta still holds up

[Dunnstral]

you realise that's like a wall of maths spam about Creature's old meta right? I think there's a world where that case comes from town but his lines are blurring hard and also check sitewide activity

Anybody can say things

I don't see why I should believe what you're saying over literally dozens of games of experience that proves otherwise

[Dunnstral]

Anything other than an activity read?

Sure, read the rest of the game, I don't feel like bringing it up just to be ignored anyway

[Dunnstral]

I feel it's lower than it has been historically

Is checking Creature's site-wide activity a regular activity for you?

Isn't that weird, if his activity in games doesn't matter anymore (your own words)

[Dunnstral]

you realise that's like a wall of maths spam about Creature's old meta right? I think there's a world where that case comes from town but his lines are blurring hard and also check sitewide activity

Anybody can say things

I don't see why I should believe what you're saying over literally dozens of games of experience that proves otherwise

re. the above
this is forum mafia
what the fuck else are you reading based on?

this feels like you've found a smoking gun on a lynch that isn't you so you're tunnelling it to duck eating the lynch.. agree/disagree?

Disagree because I could have just pushed performer

[Dunnstral]

and gotten that lynch

[Dunnstral]

He was prodded 3 times.

[Dunnstral]

And ruby red's push on me past the early game has been gross

[Dunnstral]

I mean yeah I've used his proportionate sitewide activity to inform and reinforce my reads before

How long ago?

[Dunnstral]

How are you actually reading Ruby tho?

I mean yeah I've used his proportionate sitewide activity to inform and reinforce my reads before

How long ago?

basically up until a couple of months ago maybe

And what prompted you to stop using activity to read Creature?

[Dunnstral]

Based on what I know I can't support Ruby's wagon in good faith. Take it how you will

It's pretty much you or Snowman for me, if you think Ruby is hard scum and Snowman is hard town find me a better candidate? There should be another 2 or maybe 3 scum

Lady Angel, Performer

[Dunnstral]

MAYBE alonzo because of his predeccesor

[Dunnstral]

{Kokichi, MariaR, Ruby Red, Almost50, Alonzo, Lady Angel, Performer, the worst}

looool what is this?

scum poe

[Dunnstral]

I believe in the power of the flashwagon!!!! Let's nail Snowman?

How are you actually reading Ruby tho?

I mean yeah I've used his proportionate sitewide activity to inform and reinforce my reads before

How long ago?

basically up until a couple of months ago maybe

And what prompted you to stop using activity to read Creature?

His meta becoming unreliable

this feels like you're questioning me with an angle but I don't see your angle so pls cut to the chase

When is the last time you played with scum creature? Do you remember, or no - alternatively, have you seen him lurking as town? Basically, what makes you think the meta 'became unreliable'

[Dunnstral]

Based on what I know I can't support Ruby's wagon in good faith. Take it how you will

It's pretty much you or Snowman for me, if you think Ruby is hard scum and Snowman is hard town find me a better candidate? There should be another 2 or maybe 3 scum

Lady Angel, Performer

MAYBE alonzo because of his predeccesor

which one of these can you case the most spicy-fully for me? and which one am I gonna yell at people to flashwagon with me?

I pushed performer before changing my mind

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Dunnstral

dunn's play this game doesnt look like his town meta, but the below is just....ruby , STOP :lol:

i've read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed

like i can think of literally one instance of me misreading you as compared to multiple instances of me reading you correctly (as both town and scum) so don't come at me with this "oh you always vote me"

Notice how this only comes after I vote ruby

dunn's play this game doesnt look like his town meta, but the below is just....ruby , STOP :lol:

i've read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed

like i can think of literally one instance of me misreading you as compared to multiple instances of me reading you correctly (as both town and scum) so don't come at me with this "oh you always vote me"

What's my town meta, performer?

Hey performer, considering you misvoted me in our last 2 games together shouldn't you have more to say about this game? Why are you acting like you know my "town meta"?

Yeah, after giving this some time it really could be Dunn as the other partner.

That voting on hydra, maria, ok. But then the vote on me & accusation against ceejay earlier in the thread just looks like pocketing of ceejay before his inactivity replace.

And saying it's alright to keep sky in lylo if she's town? Got to be kidding me.

VOTE: dunn

Whoa. Maria was vt??

I was set on pushing her today because she & dunn had meta, so I thought the fact that she was voting him , was interesting to say the least.

----------------

I see what you mean about the carcaformer associatives. It looks like early distancing on both parts. Since all three of us agree on the carca read then thats probably the better lynch out of the two come EOD.

associatives? What are you even talking about??

My main issue with performer is that I explained why I mentioned c d e and he's still trying to redirect to meta and other stuff

I think I've seen enough from Dunn and intent to hammer.

reasons for dunn to be town:

Performer is scum and rc probably is too, those are my reads

That's it???????
If I knew dunnstral was going to give a not_mafia reply, man....

VOTE: Dunnstral

VOTE: performer

sigh
:facepalm:

Dunn you didn't mention me (though I'm town, yess) in your c, d, e.

This is the background information I know so far:
-schad & I have hosted games where we’ve seen rc as scum and town, and I’m sure a good # of us have seen him scum or town. Schad has seen my scum game before
-played with carca 3 years ago when we were town
-

dunnstral’s playstyle typically gives me a scum tone

-can’t recall if I played with nsg before

Not sounding like this, for one
Not being all that engaging either

Not being all what engaging?

Not sounding like what?

Not sounding like this, for one
Not being all that engaging either

Go into detail - what is my town meta performer? You're voting based off it - explain your vote, please

Dunn: minimalistic post content and not seeing why he thinks tchill has an agenda, that he’s pushing an agenda.

@una wait a minute...Boon is here? As in Boonskies?
your wall posts are fairly difficult to unravel :?

VOTE: Dunnstral

here's my actual meta on the way performer is acting: This is performer in a scum game, whhere I'm pushing on tchill - both performer and tchill are scum here

Look how similar that is to his play here ^

It's all he can do, spout off some inane reason to scumread the person voting his partner while awkwardly trying to interact with them in places like this:

dunn's play this game doesnt look like his town meta, but the below is just....ruby , STOP :lol:

i've read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed

like i can think of literally one instance of me misreading you as compared to multiple instances of me reading you correctly (as both town and scum) so don't come at me with this "oh you always vote me"

Like I'm about to scour his scumgame to see how he interacted with his partner under pressure

Typical day 1. Nobody wants to lynch anybody lol.

That's not true.
I feel like I'm always one of the few who enjoys wagons and lynching, in every game. Not prematurely, of course.

I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?

Why?...

The tone from that quote in 495 in the other game is eerily similar to the tone he takes with ruby in 567 in this game, just saying.

Purr I'm not scum just because I pushed on Maria come on

Performer is blatant wolf I would vote there too, in fact:

VOTE: Performer

I don't want to talk about ongoing games but if you investigated you'd see what I mean.

If it can't be talked about then I don't really care to investigate it? Like, I'm not going to be able to use it in an argument

Dunn never tries like this. Ever in 3 games we were in

Simply untrue, but maybe you forgot

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76567

What about this game Performer?

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=67016

What about this game, Performer?

There's no possibly response to this that will make me change my mind, he's flabbergasted that I'm coming at him this hard and is trying to deflect with simply UNTRUE statements, LET'S LYNCH HIM

918 POSTS IN ONE GAME

DUNN NEVER TRIES LIKE THIS

anyways, that's my case on Performer, I hope some of you guys can be persuaded to consider

Not liking ruby or Dunn

Nice distancing after getting CALLED OUT

Ruby/Performer interactions with each other are so awkward when they're both under pressure

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What about this game Performer?

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What about this game, Performer?

There's no possibly response to this that will make me change my mind, he's flabbergasted that I'm coming at him this hard and is trying to deflect with simply UNTRUE statements, LET'S LYNCH HIM

Notice how he just does'nt even have a rebuttal for any of this and is just hoping I forgot about it

I've never seen Dunnstral play like this and it makes me want to put him outside of my votepool.

Carca you have experience with dunn too? I only saw you play 1 game with him before, what other experience were you referring to?

Anyway this is my courtesy (wall) post for Dunn & Carca. I think I've said this to at least 1 of you before, that I've been wanting to change playstyle because my town & scum meta have become too linear. Carca you know I love you too so this is also for you since you're getting nervous of me , which does seem to be the case in every single game .
I want to have more fun with not playing so traditional and "robotic" as someone called me before. YES I am aware providing thought process is generally helpful but like I said, I want to play differently.
When I replaced in, I really didn't read most past pages (I did read the moderator posts though like the op) so I went from replace in to current posts, in terms of catching up on what for scumhunting. If others hate me for that, well they have to live with it as I don't have the time to be delving into every single 1 of the past pages.

Dunn caught my eye for playing super different as I reiterate, have never seen him play like that before. He's highly unengaging in past games where he was town, which is unlike what he's doing in this game where he's being all "I want to help solve the game" style. Also saw ruby or someone else say dunn was pushing ruby's death simply because of creature? So that was scummy too of dunn , looked like basically a scummy reason of "oh predecessor was scum so you must be."
Later

I realized that's hypocritical

of me since

I myself

am trying to play different too, to evolve my meta. Also, dunn started sounding more logical than many folks like joey's naked vote on me or ruby weirdly defending me or purrcocet using the same laughable scum reason to vote me simply because of predecessor's play, which I didn't see much of (just saw the "replace out" request from nos for whatever reason).

I'm sure we could all go a decade talking and talking and talking about this and that, but I'm not doing that this game as I've said, I'm trying to evolve my meta starting with this game.

VOTE: ruby red

My scumreads right now are ruby, purr (ridiculous that he has dunn & me scum), probably elsa - not sure of him anymore from his response to my vote of him. Don't even know why nos voted him but I was partly going with nos's (since this is a town pm I got) vote & the way elsa was already a wagon (I like wagons regardless of alignment) & I had yet to like his posts as coming from town up to that point of me voting elsa again. Also wanted to do reaction testing on elsa but as I said, not sure of him being scum anymore based on how he replied .
Going back to ruby, I addressed his hilarious and outrageous "I read you right all or most of the time, dunn" & the more I've seen combined with defending of me, the scummier he got. Just doesn't make sense, all those actions of him toward dunn & toward me.

Joey is somewhat weird, can't get an AI pulse on him. Snowman/dunn/carca town.

No more courtesy posts from my original play like this courtesy post, folks. Back to nos/not_mafia/firebringer/whoever else playstyle for this game.
:lol:

[Dunnstral]

Stopped pushing him some time after he made post 802

[Dunnstral]

btw explain why snowman is town for me? Where I'm at he reads howly

I remember agreeing with stuff snowman has posted - I never said they were hard town, I never found fault with anything they said, I will veto a wagon there today because I feel it is a bad move

[Dunnstral]

OK.. and if I'm a Cop I'd be on MariaR or Chara. But -of course- that's IF I was the Cop, which I'm not.

VOTE: Dunn

Just do it EJ... put him @ L1

Then prob no use to visit me given you'll just roleblock yourself

Nice. Anyone else want to claim? I say we all claim and then we call it a game and move on to another game already.

[Dunnstral]

Also dunn tell me why you're trying. I'm curious

I don't have a reason, I just happen to be posting more this game

Unlike creature there isn't a clear meta trail linking my alignment to my activity

[Dunnstral]

having a lot of quotes in all of your posts != towny effort

Nice useless shade

[Dunnstral]

Wanna vote Alonzo but A50 Alonzo don't feel S/S
hmmm w/e
VOTE: Alonzo

VOTE: Alonzo

I'll just sheep Maria for today so I don't get yelled at

[Dunnstral]

I don't really parse why you're pushing Performer, it looks like a reread more than a misrep but again, still reading. why did you stop after 802?

Performer was coming up with nonsensical, disproven reasons to scumread me like "Dunn never tries as town" - then when linked to 2 games where I did try as town, and had been in the same game as performer, he simply ignored it twice

802 was a way different type of post and I wasn't sure what to think of it, it made me less sure on performer so I switched to ruby red and doubled my efforts there to get people to see what I'm seeing

[Dunnstral]

Ruby what are the chances you and Dunn are t/t?

Considering I've played 2 games with them in the past and they tunneled me in both of those while we were both town, too? Maybe

People have been coming in with fake, disproved meta on creature/even ruby red all game, look at what maria has been posting

[Dunnstral]

Like it's still statistically likely RR is scum just because Creature ihabited the slot and played to his scum meta - I believe the slot should never ever get to lylo in any case

[Dunnstral]

a50/alonzo is a pretty good place to look for scum, a50 has been scumming things up actually

[Dunnstral]

Charas stance feels like one scum with TMI on dunn would take.
So if Dunn flips scum I feel Chara is town
if Dunn flips town I'd look at Chara

I'm about ready to rev up the chain lynches on Dunn/Man if 1 flips town tbh

if dunnstral flips town then i'll be the fucking first one on performer's wagon (hell, even if dunn flips scum it's a possibility)

dunn should still go first

if you care about winning the game it does

of course i care. no reason to be anxious about it irl, however.

and one mislynch day 1 isn't going to kill us. in fact as i've previously jokingly argued... day 1 scum lynches are anti-town.

not that i want a mislynch.
but the votecount tells me a few things. for one, i'm having difficulty imagining a world where Dunnstral is scum while Maria is town. so either they're both scum, or just Maria is.
or she's town and having a difficult time catching Dunnstral scum this time around, but that she's actively avoiding outing her read to see how others react to the Dunn wagon tells me this one is very unlikely.

and so the end result is... i'd like to lynch Maria in spite of the good feelings i had from her when we spoke directly.

but that doesn't seem viable today. i no longer want Ruby lynched, but i'm paranoid that Purr is just wrong and Ruby is simply being charismatic in a way i like right now.
paranoia is not often correct for me, so i'll discard that and call Ruby town for those things, because i

am

fairly confident Purr is town.

so that would lead to.
VOTE: Dunnstral

pedit: is Ruby's wagon being resisted that fiercely?

bonus points if you can figure out why a50 is voting me more than discussing me:

Is this game going to get going or are we just hanging out in the sun?? (If so, where's my pina colada?)

VOTE: Dunnstral

OK.. and if I'm a Cop I'd be on MariaR or Chara. But -of course- that's IF I was the Cop, which I'm not.

VOTE: Dunn

Just do it EJ... put him @ L1

VOTE: Dunn

Fine with me.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Almost50

Sorry I'd rather get this if it's between him and alonzo

[Dunnstral]

But liek snowman is scum

I'm not seeing it from what you went over

[Dunnstral]

New Deadline: (expired on 2018-11-17 18:38:36) :!:

[Dunnstral]

It's the neverending deadline extension

[Dunnstral]

Would you vote a50 alonzo? ignore the thing where people are saying it's one of you or them

[Dunnstral]

Oh, and @Alonzo: This isn't me saying you're scum with Dunn either. Scum just don't want to be the one leading a wagon on someone. They would rather vote someone who has been FOS'd by someone else, so when they flip Town they can go back and FoS the person that started the push.

Oh really? Again:

Vote Count 1.14

MariaR:
Almost50: MariaR (1)
Dunnstral: Kokichi Oma, Purrcocet, Performer, Ruby Red (4)
Kokichi Oma:
Elsa Jay: Lady Angel, ManateeDude (2)
Lady Angel: Elsa Jay, Almost50 (2)
Joey_:
Ruby Red:
Purrcocet:
Carcalilly:
Performer: Dunnstral, Joey_ (2)
Chara:
Snowman:
ManateeDude: Snowman (1)

Not Voting: Chara, Carcalilly

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

(expired on 2018-11-14 18:38:36)

Is this me "voting my counterwagon" Ruby?

Vote Count 1.22

MariaR:
Almost50:
Dunnstral: Kokichi Oma, Purrcocet, Ruby Red, Carcalilly, Almost50 [5]
Kokichi Oma:
Elsa Jay: Lady Angel, Alonzo [2]
Lady Angel:
Joey_:
Ruby Red: Performer, Dunnstral [2]
Purrcocet:
Carcalilly:
Performer: MariaR, Elsa Jay [2]
Chara:
Snowman:
Alonzo:

Not Voting: Joey_, Snowman, Chara

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-11-16 18:38:36)

How about this?

[Dunnstral]

Ice Cream! [Active]: You are a Neapolitan. You may investigate a player in order to discover if they are Vanilla or not. Only Vanilla Townies will return 'Vanilla' results, all other roles will return as 'Not Vanilla'.

This is my role, I'm checking Carcalily tonight

[Dunnstral]

Kokichi is town

[Dunnstral]

scum who claim vanilla will always be vanilla either way

Nope, reread my claimed power.

[Dunnstral]

actual town use of that role is to hunt scum pr

agree wrt vanilla cop tho

That's because you're clueless and wrong

[Dunnstral]

Have Mercy Upon Us [Active]: You are a Vanilla Cop. You may target a player during the Night, investigating whether or not they are a Vanilla Townie or not. "Vanilla" results are given for any role that doesn't have any individual powers (e.g., Vanilla Townie, Mafia Goon, a Serial Killer with no other powers); "Not Vanilla" results are given on all others.

This role gets vanilla results on vanilla townies and mafia goons

Ice Cream! [Active]: You are a Neapolitan. You may investigate a player in order to discover if they are Vanilla or not. Only Vanilla Townies will return 'Vanilla' results, all other roles will return as 'Not Vanilla'.

This is the role I claimed.

[Dunnstral]

Hey earth to MariaR

I think A50 is scum over Alonzo right now

[Dunnstral]

Hey earth to MariaR

I think A50 is scum over Alonzo right now

Why not both. I'll lynch either though

I'd prefer a50 his posts don't add up

[Dunnstral]

so why investigate carca if you could possibly get a result on a maf goon? something i'm missing here?

Nobody in the thread claimed mafia good

I either get "Vanilla" or "No vanilla" -

[Dunnstral]

OMFG

WHY IS HIS CHOICE NOT RUBY RED

LMFAO

Because ruby red didn't claim vanilla town?

[Dunnstral]

Ye joey is fine

I'm also VT

[Dunnstral]

I think toxic goo and vanilla town should claim

Any objections?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not investigating Carcalilly looking for scum, I'm trying to clear town as vanilla town and that's my only option since nobody else claimed vt and just randomly firing it into a pool of prs doesn't seem beneficial

[Dunnstral]

the actual point of that role is to hit scum


u sound soo crazyy lmao

No it isn't

If they claim to be a power role there's no way to determine their alignment based off of my result

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to call performer town and veto a lynch there tomorrow

[Dunnstral]

could just be mafia neapolitan claim
or just a fake claim entirely

Or it could just as easily be real, so I'm not sure where you're going with this

[Dunnstral]

ya I'm not really sure what the angle is

acrually if Dunn greens you'd be the first person I'd look at here :s is that bad?

That's why I'm vetoing that right now because I think there are things that point to Performer town this game and I think they're likely to be just awkward instead of scum

[Dunnstral]

So yes it is bad

[Dunnstral]

Go after Ruby/a50 tomorrow

[Dunnstral]

a50 is just scum

Don't get caught up on alonzo - manatee could have been awkward town too, a50 doesn't have that excuse