Limbo l Victory!

[Almost50]

I'm a JOAT. I can choose between Hider, Commuter or Ascetic BP.

Ok, that was a lie, but still. My role is an old fart who loves to eat beans and peas. Should anyone try to target me with anything at all they shall die of the smell of my farts.

VOTE: Purrcocet

@Snowman: Is this a new user or are you no longer snarky?

[Almost50]

@Elsa: My role (and modifier) are not listed there though. My role is 50 and the modifier is Almost (although now outdated and is probably referred to as "slightly past" or "give or take a few months"). Look it up on the wiki.

[Almost50]

@

Mod: Just a quick thing since I tried to search the wiki, but what the heck is a"conditional" modifier.

Actually, anyone can answer that.

What part of "Ask me by PM" did you not understand??

[Almost50]

If you have any more questions, please send me a PM. Thank you~

@MOD: Can you please decipher this hieroglyphics transcript?

[Almost50]

^Preferably in Aztic

[Almost50]

VOTE: Dunnstral
statistically? scum.

If either of u rolled mafia this game your death is assured

<3

when the highest EV tactic is unclear (claiming toxic goo and making it absolutely useless, or hiding toxic goo and risking some accidental murder), i like to pick the fun option.

Stop hydra slipping! Please post from the HYDRA account.

[Almost50]

you changed the password to make me look bad, didn't you. what is it?!

It's an easy one really: Just type in the full lyrics for Michael Jackson's Thriller. Only BACKWARDS.

[Almost50]

Oh, and don't forget the Hooo-hooo

[Almost50]

@Snowman: Well, then you ain't him. There's a user who goes by SnarkySnowman here on MS.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Creature

And if this flips red; Snowman is also red.

[Almost50]

Just flipped through a few Creature scum games and holy moly does he play an obvious scum.

Still don't see a point in voting him before he follows through with his prod / is replaced. If he is scum it'd probably be obvious by the end of D1 anyways. I just think its a shot in the dark rn even considering his scum meta.

"I mean, I concede he's scum, but I'm hopeful someone else will come in and manage to fool you guys and then I won't lose my partner who probably has an interesting role too". Nice!

TWO SCUMS DOWN!

[Almost50]

VOTE: chara this is awkward

Is it not obvious they meant to vote Creature? They were just thinking of me and my case so typed my name instead. I mean, how do you even explain "Almost's case is compelling" AND a vote on me in the same post otherwise?

[Almost50]

@Snowman: He has been actively posting (and shitposting) all over the place. Just not in THIS game. That's how I know.

[Almost50]

Anon not voting is sus as hell. I'm pretty sure she knows who scum are, but is refusing to cooperate.

[Almost50]

Snowman's probtown

Everybody's probably Town. But are they?

[Almost50]

Carca is named town

Elsa, Lady and to a lesser extent Dunn can be town

I can see where this heading.

But I don't think scum!you would want to narrow down the lynchpool so fast. Well, it's still a large, but are you going to kill these 5 in a row?

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

@Dunn: What is awkward about it? He said these 5 are probably town, so he either will keep up the TR or will have to justify the read change. If he has 5 TRs he can't lynch w.o. further justification he will have to shoot them at night if he was scum. Creature isn't exactly the most convincing player to make cases against people, and certainly not against people he TR'd before.

So, Scum Creature does NOT want to TR 5 out of 13 other slots (not counting his own) so early into the game.

I also don't see what's awkward about the second quote either

[Almost50]

how do those 2 posts = voting me? lol

He did some derivation under the sign of integration then did some interpolation and got the square root of the sum divided by infinity (or at least that's how I think he got there).

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

This reds

No, It WHITE!

[Almost50]

Mostly waiting for Manatee to pop back into the thread.

Why are you voting him in the first place? Make a good case and I might join you.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

This reds

No, It WHITE!

I really want to see this 1v1 go down

VOTE: Carca

You can have your own 1v1 rather than cheering from the sidelines.

[Almost50]

I was kinda cheering for it too tho.

I can only vote one slot for the lynch. I'll finish Carca off and then get back to you.

[Almost50]

Remedy the situation and actually vote Carca with me then. Defuse the bomb before it explodes in your face.

[Almost50]

Mostly waiting for Manatee to pop back into the thread.

what

VOTE: Manatee

A



but

[Almost50]

Do you have to vote me every single game, A50?

What can I do? Your posts come across as totally skewed. Why would you want to watch a 1v1 between me and Purr? If anything; it clogs the thread for no good reason. Your 277 even suggests both that you TR Purr AND have at least a Town lean on me, so why the hell do you want 2 likely townies (from your PoV) get it on each other?

[Almost50]

@Dunn: the thing is I don't see Scum!Purr making such a silly push on me when she -simultaneously- acknowledge I have charisma! having charisma = I won't lynched today. The push makes her look bad in everyone's eyes (the ones that know my play). I'm confused as hell about her right now.

[Almost50]

u can definitely be lynched today fam we just need 7 brave souls to trust in purr

Find 7 players willing to vote on D1 then. You obviously don't know anything about me and how most players treat me. I'll give you a hint:

1- Do NOT touch A50 on D1
2- A Cop check is NOT recommended on A50 on N1, because (3)
3- Scum WILL shoot A50 on N1
4- If (3) isn't true, then it IS recommended that a Cop will check A50 on N2
5- If by D3 A50 is still alive AND hasn't already caught scum, then AND ONLY THEN you may start pushing him hard, at least for a claim
6- In all case; Cop will NOT prematurely out an

innocent result

on A50 even if they got one. Town!A50 likes to bait Scum into forming a wagon on him to analyze it.

tl;dr: Leave me alone on D1, come back to check on me if I'm still alive by D2 at the very least. Otherwise you're doing more harm than good to yourself as either alignment.

P.S. I also do not bus unnecessarily. If I'm tunneling someone hard enough and they flip Scum, chances are I'm not their p.

Thank you very much for your attention. You may now go back to your regular broadcasting schedule.

[Almost50]

@Chara: Noted. You might have noticed I didn't look at you much either, and it's for a reason.

Right now Purr is exhausting all her chances with me. I said I don't see scum!her doing this silly push on me, but she has outdone herself with that "selective/out of context quoting" which you know I really hate. Now why would TOWN ever do that when the explanation was not even a line below, but started ON THE SAME LINE she stopped at?

VOTE: Purr

This needs to get flipped NOW rather than 24 hours later!!!!

[Almost50]

Quite frankly I don't understand what you're trying to say and I don't feel the need to make an effort to

VOTE: Manatee

I know my vote is already there, but it's for emphasis. ALso, maybe I will get lucky and roll the role that gets to add another vote every VC??

[Almost50]

Manatee's townreading Almost and Nos and presumably scumreading Dunnstral.

i don't like that post from Lady because she's one of those prod dodgers that hasn't offered anything, so it doesn't really ring genuine to me.

Permission to sheep my hydra partner. ("Permission granted" assume)

VOTE: Lady Angel

Golden Rule: When in doubt, listen to Chara's tone reads, I say. (but not the reads on MariaR)

[Almost50]

you

get a prod and

you

get a prod and

I

get a prod.

Prods for everyone!

Can I have some biscuits with that, please?

[Almost50]

The weird biscuit that is a European cookie or old-fashioned American fluffy miracles?

[Almost50]

Well, it's called Mary biscuits and it's my favourite.

[Almost50]

Nothing new for me but that the game got kinda boring

I hear you. But maybe that's good for <reasons>. I'll switch my attention to this game soon enough though.

[Almost50]

Is this game going to get going or are we just hanging out in the sun?? (If so, where's my pina colada?)

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Almost50]

I can roll the dice until I get a 5 and then vote Maria. Would that be "proven randomness"??

[Almost50]

If you want some legitimate information, of all my experience with Almost this is the one where I'm having him as Null instead of a townlean, which is setting off alarm bells in my head because that's something I think is my scumtell on him.

I mean.. y'know.. I guess.. so maybe.. probably.. yeah?

[Almost50]

*Sigh* I was feeling lonely sitting on Lady Angel for a while, then I decided ,y idle vote was doing nothing and switched to Dunn as a wagon was building there.

VOTE: Lady Angel

The question is, WHY do people feel wary about joining wagons I lead, but they're OK going for them as soon as I switch my vote?

[Almost50]

But I do have charisma too.. I just keep it hidden so as not to be distracting infatuation to everyone.

[Almost50]

Be patient with me Elsa I'm an ignorant one.

Aw, it's fine wittle puppy, take your time. Your adorable.

Don't
Call
Me
Cute!!!

I think she has a point, Jay. Please apologize to Carca, cuz she's too cute for you to upset.

[Almost50]

ok honestly what the hell

i was entirely convinced i was replacing into a scumslot but now like... i have to put effort into this game

I used to know whose alt this was, but damn .. my memory has more bad sectors than I thought.

Welcome anyway.

[Almost50]

Hey, ManateeDudge/Almost50/Kokichi, why are Elsa Jay/Lady Angel better lynches than me from your perspective?

Lady's better than you, but you are better than Elsa from my PoV. It's all about gut, which is all we have so far. Just how I am perceiving everyone so far.

[Almost50]

@Mod: Could you please add the number of votes next to the players names (either side)? I don't want to have to double check I didn't miscount -say- Kokichi Oma or Elsa Jay as 2 votes each.

[Almost50]

VC 1.13 has been updated with numbers.

TY

[Almost50]

I have no read on Maria, but one thing that I noticed is she's trying her best to find an alternative to the Dunn wagon while they actively take bouts at each other!

[Almost50]

Guys. Seriously.. 33 pages and I can't seem to find 2 pages worth of anything. What are we doing?

[Almost50]

Who do you want me to vote of the two?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Performer

L-something. Just check on the VC at the top of this page when Anon finally gets to it

[Almost50]

@EJ: We still on Purformer? Cuz I don't mind ending this day anytime now.

[Almost50]

OK.. and if I'm a Cop I'd be on MariaR or Chara. But -of course- that's IF I was the Cop, which I'm not.

VOTE: Dunn

Just do it EJ... put him @ L1

[Almost50]

does literally anyone buy the argument of "if we let scum live then they'll show us their partners"

I do. I sometimes do let Scum live longer to observe their communication and voting patterns. I don't say it in the open though, but EJ always says stuff in the open that it looks ridiculous and people will dismiss it. (Who the hell crumbs Scum when they roll Scum and still go on to win the game?).

[Almost50]

a take: day 1 scum lynches are anti-town. ;>

The only time you said that before -in my presence- was in Civilization.

[Almost50]

I don't think I was in vonflare's game, was I?? OMG.. sometimes my brain gets jammed I feel really bad for myself! *Sigh*

But anyway, that's you doing it twice before, and you were scum on both occasions. Tell me why I should not lynch you tomorrow?

[Almost50]

^@Chara

[Almost50]

actually my favourite part about 887 is the implication that i wasn't actually scum in Civilization. that's simply how town i was.

pedit: i haven't yet Ruby, i got distracted because this is more fun. but i will.

You were not???

Who was? Who shot me?? Please remind me..

[Almost50]

CHARAAAA!!!!

Dead

• Chara was killed
  Night 4
  . They were
  Hiawatha
  of the
  Iroquois (Domination Mafia Non-Consecutive Strongman)

[Almost50]

Oh, OK. So you were Town in vonflare's game, but you were scum in Civilization and are scum in this game. Got it!

[Almost50]

@Joey: Monkey is now at his lowest logic, so Monkey prefers to sheep someone else today.

[Almost50]

Yeah dunn flips scum we lynch Elsa next

How about NO? I have a N0 peek on EJ and he's a villager. (GOD! I hate this MU meme)

[Almost50]

Because I'm suspecting Chara???? What gives?

[Almost50]

Just a little random salute to all the cats on MS

[Almost50]

I see nothing much has changed. I trust everyone wants to get the lynch 20 minutes to deadline?

[Almost50]

Of course, then can revote Performer as well.

If I switch back to Performer they'd both be @L-3, and that's a step backwards. The thing is I have both you and Snowman as my strongest TRs and you're both on Performer, but I also prefer Dunn over Performer in a vacuum.

[Almost50]

Oh, well. Snowman solved my problem.

[Almost50]

@Alonzo: No offense, but I watched you come into a game I was NK'd in well determined to tunnel me to death. I watched you come into another game, and you really didn't do much better either. And now this tunnel on EJ. Mate, are you ever going to play for the Town? Because unless you're scum in this game you are playing for them for the 3rd game running.

Again; NO OFFENSE INTENDED. Just please try to change your scum hunting ways given your usual procedure doesn't net you any prizes at all.

[Almost50]

Throw myself into the game? No thanks. I'd rather wait for tomorrow to make my push(es).

[Almost50]

Yeah, we just lost the second of them .. this one

[Almost50]

So, the outcome doesn't matter cuz you were right, and being wrong doesn't matter cuz the outcome was right. Got you. Carry on.. and maybe we will win by a miracle.. only neither ruru nor skitter are here to fix it.

Man, I'm telling you EJ is TOWN, so give him a break. That's all I wanted to say.

[Almost50]

I can't sell Dunn as anything either way at any given game if my life depended on it. I am just going for the lynch that's likely to go through rather than settle for a no lynch.

[Almost50]

I think them just sitting on me to 'get a lynch' while complaining about you tunneling him is pretty lame though

He's not tunneling ME though. I haven't "Dunn" much more than you in this game.

[Almost50]

Look at Carcalilly's vote onme too - like look at their iso and try to figure out why they are voting me

I tried to push Carca earlier. Nobody seemed interested. If you want to save your head try to get a good case for OTHERS to follow. I don't need to be convinced to lynch Carca. I just need an existing wagon there.

[Almost50]

Anybody who sits in the back and cares more about lining up lynches than who we lynch today can be playing to scum wincon yeah

Says the player who just spewed 8 people as possible scum without making a real case on any of them, and hasn't done jack shit all game.

I'll happily and gracefully accept your login and declare YOU are "playing to scum wincon" so yeah!

[Almost50]

@Elsa :
1st is about ninja, since its a scum modifier mostly and it wouldnt be really useful to claim that as town anyway, i dont think its your crumb
2nd is a sentence that felt out of place. "Projecting" im guessing you have the toxic goo modifier (which you said early game you wouldnt claim iirc), or the green thingy. I think you also played indeed voluntarily scummy trying to play into said modifier your behavior drastically changed near page 10 and you started talking about your crumb/role

+1 for trying. It shows you're at least reading the game.

But you're way off mark (or at least I think you are). His crumb is so obvious it could very much be missed when you're looking too close. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture and you might see what I had seen.

Then again, this is EJ and what seems like clear waters could very well be actually just a mirage.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

ok ill be honest i havent read 80% of this game

I did, but that was in his early days on site, before he took up lurking as a new faith.

[Almost50]

Almost, are you just scum here? a lot of your posts are simply not good.

And using your knowledge of my play as "almost anything", does my bad posting lead you to believe I'm scum??? Do I post bad as scum???

[Almost50]

Give me 20 minutes and a kit kat and i bet i can convince you the earth is flat too

You give me a KitKat or a Twix and I will readily believe you and find proof to the fact too.

P.S. Snickers would not only make me follow you. I'll even claim I discovered it first.

[Almost50]

VOTE:

VOTE:

VOTE:

VOTE: Ruby

[Almost50]

^I believe I gave 3

good

reasons for my vote. Pick the one you like the best.

[Almost50]

@Chara: I'm not SRing you. I'm just not TRing you with this play. I have recommended a check on you, not a wagon. So there's your answer for the first question.

As for the second, I can't answer you at this time. You may be able to work it out yourself, or you may want to wait for my D2/D3 play to get it.

[Almost50]

Chara I think I remember you saying you could read A50? What do you think if him this game

i can't read him that well as it turns out. but i'm not townreading him this game.

-1

This definitely, and I mean DEFINITELY needs to be investigated. Regardless of my alignment, Town Chara always has a Town lean on me. Scum Chara though always says they're not sure.

[Almost50]

Considering you yourself said you haven't thrown yourself into the game yet, Almost, Chara seems to be in the right here. They can't read you right if you're not trying yet.

(And everyone casually ignores me saying my ninja modifier. Great.)

1- I know what Chara knows and what they don't know about my play, and I say to Chara (

in specific, but not to anyone else on the site

) they should already know my role and alignment if they were reading anything I type.

2- I am bloody ignoring you on purpose. I dunno what's the use of you crumbing stuff when you're going to out it anyway on D1, or at least keep asking people to look for it. Crumbs are supposed to remain hidden until you need to out them, not as "Hey, I've just crumbed. Can you see it? If not, I'll try again, and I won't stop until I know every player already knows every little detail about my role before the day has ended."

In other words, STOP. You are probably getting shot tonight anyway already, unless Performer suddenly decides you're Town enough for him to protect you, and even then it's a 50-50 thing and I won't go into further details.

P.S. The ONLY way I can understand what you're doing is if you're confusing Ninja with Ascetic. Are you?

[Almost50]

you haven't done anything similar in this game

Which tells you what exactly?? (Do NOT answer in public. I want you to answer it to yourself.)

[Almost50]

I'm a Ninja Lawyer.

OK.. I'm dumb then. Or maybe YOU are??

Roles/abilities that may appear in the game in their turn order: Toxic Goo, Green Goo, Motivator, Jail Keeper, Elite Bodyguard, Lawyer, Neapolitan/Vanilla Cop/Follower/Tracker.

Which "possible Role" does NOT appear on your list? Hint:

Alignment Cop

. So, when I saw you say those are the roles that may appear I took it that you're saying you're an Alignment Cop and thus nobody else should expect to see that role or believe anyone else claiming it.

I dunno what your crumbed later on, as I stopped at this when I was looking after you said you crumbed for the first time. *Sigh*

[Almost50]

Interesting. What do you think on chara so far before this post was made?

Totally Null on them before that post. Slight scum lean after it though.

[Almost50]

Elsa should visit me everytime if they're town so it doesn't work. That's just such a scum sounding role though

I agree. Elsa should provide cover for you so no investigative/informative could EVER get a hold on you. You'd be Ninja yourself to Tracker/Watcher and appear innocent to Alignment Cop. I have no idea how it interacts with Vanilla Cop and/or Neapolitan since neither give a hard guilty anyway, so you appearing Not Vanilla or even Not Vanilla Town isn't anything I'd be pushing you over unless you claimed a VT.

[Almost50]

Well that's why I'd rather it be confirmed it's my power, plus it confirms what is very much the weakest investigative we got IMO.

I wont use it after night 2 unless people want me to confirm a green goo. I can deal without having this ability.

I say don't bloody use it at all. At least not on N1. You can use it only when the Neapolitan or Vanilla Cop need you to prove them (I dunno how that would work though since you're already outed, but whatever). I don't see the need for anyone to claim and then get verified out of the blue for no reason at all.

[Almost50]

Almost: i really don't remember what i read you as when i was scum in Danganronpa, but in Civilization i absolutely townread you. so where are you even getting that meta from? we have all of two games where i was scum.

No you didn't. You kept saying things like I'm not sure, or I can't guarantee my read is correct all the time. You wanted to keep me withing the lynch pool.. just outside but within range. You even ignored a crumb that Town you would have never missed in Civilization. I mean NEVER would have missed.

[Almost50]

Well that's why I'd rather it be confirmed it's my power, plus it confirms what is very much the weakest investigative we got IMO.

I wont use it after night 2 unless people want me to confirm a green goo. I can deal without having this ability.

your role doesn't really do anything for us. i would suggest not using it at all. it's such a scummy claim that i believe it's your real power anyway.

This post though sounds Towie'yish. It's nothing Scum!you can't fake, but it still sounds Townie.

[Almost50]

Then prob no use to visit me given you'll just roleblock yourself

Nice. Anyone else want to claim? I say we all claim and then we call it a game and move on to another game already.

[Almost50]

So far:

1- EJ claimed Ninja Lawyer. WHY? I have no idea. He could've just kept him mouth shut and stayed put at night until he saw reason for himself to out and/or use his role!

2- Performer outed he's a protective. That's either EBG or JK. I don't want to go into details, but WHY he claimed is beyond me.

3- MariaR claimed Ascetic. Why she DIDN'T claim that earlier is the question. I believe Ascetic is a modifier you need to claim at the start of the game to avoid having investigative/informative/protective roles wasting a night action on you anyway.

So, who wants to claim next? I'm waiting. You have until the end of the day to prove yourself dull enough.

P-edit: Where? Show me where you claimed, please.

[Almost50]

Because I want to feel special and have my ability confirmed. Jeez.

My role makes me an unconfirmable townie (aka Miller) so I'm getting it out there now.

nate, even if you do prove your role it tells us nothing about your alignment anyway. Now go to your room.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50
Pedit: Very true

I knew it would come down to this. This is why I hate playing with you. Scum you tunnels me, and Town you SRs me all the same.

[Almost50]

Dunn can die if he wants to keep up his dumbass tunnel while I vote the real scum.

I wish I was N_M for a minute here. You know how he would respond to this shit, don't you?

[Almost50]

youre young so why is your memory like this.

OUCH! I'll pretend I never read this.

[Almost50]

Besides he's acting like a monkey

No, he's not, and I resent the implication Dunn is playing in anyway similar to me.

[Almost50]

tunnel on me like an ape

OK.. technically apes are monkeys, but not all monkeys are apes (I'm not), so I'll let this one slip.

[Almost50]

a50 you know what post I mean in this game

I have no clue. I already

forgot

!

[Almost50]

Wanna vote Alonzo but A50 Alonzo don't feel S/S
hmmm w/e
VOTE: Alonzo

How did it become a me vs A50 thing?

Maybe she thinks Ethan Hawke looks like a white monkey???

[Almost50]

Almost, you of all people know I'm more dangerous if I haven't claimed or Multi-softclaimed. Defanging myself should basically give you a giant sign that says "this is Town!Jay".

yeah, right. Like "Town" you did when you crumbed Vanilla Cop then counter claimed a fake Day Cop all at the same time?

[Almost50]

Well if didn't looked like scum vs scum, and I'm town, you must be Ethan in this little ensemble.

You kinda railroaded me yesterday huh?

@A50

Except it was Alonzo who was the corrupt cop, not Jake.

[Almost50]

That has zero to do with your selfrighteous outburst in the game tho...

Um.. erm..

First off.. not SvS could still be TvT you know!
Second.. it wasn't me who even pit us against each other.
Third, you asked how it ended up being you vs me, and I made a joke about the movie that really has nothing to do with my reads/pushes in this game. You responded with what I thought was also merely a joke. I reiterated the joke from the movie PoV.

However, if you were serious and you think I'm scum that joke doesn't even add up because Ethan was the good cop and Denzel was the bad/corrupt one.

So, joke aside: Do you SR me?

[Almost50]

Like why not mention anything in thread after the games but then suddenly preach now?

What did you want me to say? Alonzo always gets it wrong? To what purpose? I only brought it up when you switched your vote to EJ. THAT was relevant.

[Almost50]

Well, you were town in both the games I referenced, so what makes you think I had a different read here?

Let's take a step back: You voted EJ.. I said your reads were bad .. and I gave reference to two games you played AS TOWN and said that it was your norm, and requested you change your scum hunting methods because they obviously don't work. Now why would I ask scum to change their "scum hunting" methods? And why would I even scum read you then reference two games in which you were town?

[Almost50]

Like, if I said you made a bad push "and thus you're scum" then I've just shot myself in the hip providing you and everyone else with proof that your pushes are bad as town too. In fact, I've never seen your scum game, so for all I know it's either NAI or it's your Town meta.

[Almost50]

23 hrs left :/

[Almost50]

1- First and foremost I will officially demote the read on Ej to a town lean. I had him as strong town due to thinking he crumbed Cop. His Lawyer claim is still good, but I have been bitten once too many from him in particular. This has nothing to do with today's lynch though.

2- Dunn's wagon is being fiercely resisted, and I'd like to know why.
Is the whole scum team on the wagon? If so, why are scum pushing Dunn in particular? Why can't they find another lynch?
If not, why are they reluctant to lynch him if he is Town? Is he hard TRing scum? Did he crumb VT (or maybe he claimed and I missed it)?

This point about Dunn is what I am trying to figure out to no avail so far. Can someone help?

[Almost50]

F* it! I meant Ruby's wagon. I duuno why I s thinking Dunn

[Almost50]

VOTE: Dunn

Fine with me.

[Almost50]

Firstly gonna go see why my pred is voting the best player on the site

Wipe off that brown on your nose, mate.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost50

Sorry I'd rather get this if it's between him and alonzo

^Scum post. Starts a new push on Alonzo not expecting anyone to follow. Someone does follow, so he switches the target.

[Almost50]

Oh, and @Alonzo: This isn't me saying you're scum with Dunn either. Scum just don't want to be the one leading a wagon on someone. They would rather vote someone who has been FOS'd by someone else, so when they flip Town they can go back and FoS the person that started the push.

[Almost50]

@EJ: Form a pure mechanical PoV, you are the best D1 lynch. If we want to trust our investigative/informative results and not give anyone a chance to manipulate them your role should be taken out.

[Almost50]

And you also know that leaves this discussion for day 2 because either way, scum are garunteed to leave Dunn and Red clashing until we kill one of them. Hanging me just delays this more and

gives Dunn a better damn leg to stand on when going for YOU.

"Let's hang Elsa. Oops, they were exactly what they said they were.

How about Dunn? Ah, he flipped town.

Guess we can fall back on that Performer/Almost Lynch. Well fuck."

So, Dunn' going to come for me after he gets lynched and flipped?

[Almost50]

Your arguments are getting sillier by the minute!! Tell me why should I care if someone's case on me holds any weight at all? Me getting lynched despite making the mechanically correct play would be on others, not on me. And, what difference does it make if we lynch Dunn today and you tomorrow or the other way around?

[Almost50]

Because hanging 2 townies in a row is generally considered bad for town.

That's not hat I asked. I proposed to lynch YOU today, and you seem to have accepted that Dunn is the lynch today even if you personally object to it. My question was what difference does it make if we lynch you before Dunn over lynching Dun before you. In other words, why is it a bad idea to lynch you today?

[Almost50]

OK.. I'm lynching between Dunn and EJ today. Role =/= alignment. However, if people want to give Dunn a night to see if scum will shoot him I will settle for a No Lynch (because I'm not voting outside of these two).

[Almost50]

Stupid question here, but I gotta ask this:

@Mod: Does each role on the front page only appear once in the game or can any given role be drawn twice or more?

[Almost50]

so why investigate carca if you could possibly get a result on a maf goon? something i'm missing here?

@Ruby: He explained it and you're still reading it backwards. Neapolitan only get a positive on Vanilla TOWN. That's what Dunn has claimed to be his role.

Vanilla Cop gets "Vanilla" on Goons as well as VTs, but that's not Dunn's role.

[Almost50]

Stupid question here, but I gotta ask this:

@Mod: Does each role on the front page only appear once in the game or can any given role be drawn twice or more?

No comment.

OK.. so I went back to reread the rules, and I got:

In general: if a question would break the game or implicate another player's role, there is little chance that I will answer it.

And this leads me to believe that Anon's answer to my question would implicate someone, and that someone is Carca

VOTE: Carca

I am the VT of the game

. My Role PM is identical to the sample posted in 2, with the exception that my flavour is "Sloth the Indolent".

If Carca was a VT then I don't see why Anon wouldn't answer my question. That would not have implicated anyone nor would it have broken the game.

So I guess the answer is "No. Roles cannot appear twice in the game" and thus the answer is indeed implicating.

Now, Carca maybe a Black Goo, and her early claim was to draw the Town Nea/Vanilla Cop to poison them. She could also be anything else but I'm not about to take a peek into her mind and guess her intentions.

Now you all need to flip Carca and then go after the one(s) who have been hard defending her for the entire day.

Thank you for you attention.

[Almost50]

carca lock town ruby lock town

Like, Purr cat here.. I don't trust Purr and I don't trust Ruby. I think Carca flipping scum implicates both, but probably Purr more.

[Almost50]

Or, you know, it would implicate that you're both vts

What does this even mean? How is it "implicating" that we're both VTs??

[Almost50]

@Chara: And now.. do you still wonder why I was questioning your play around me? WHAT ROLE DO I DESPISE THE MOST?

[Almost50]

I think your theory is really angleshjootey and makes too many presumptions, how about instead of all that I just use my role on carcalily and hope mafia doesn't have a lawyer? And elsa can target nobody

My

theory makes too many presumptions? How about the theory of "someone" who is assuming (a) Carca is not Black Goo, (b) tw is Town, (c) Scum won't shoot him tonight, (d) scum don't have a JK to target him either, (e) he's not gonna get lynched today anyway while he is @L-2 currently and actually has been @L-1 with no announcement.

Now add (f)uck you for wanting me to also add a new presumption that you're Town (that one is only from my PoV, because if you are you know you are, but I don't know it).

Now, what exactly would be game breaking about confirming us both as VTs? In fact, how would it even confirm either of us if Anon just said that it could be the case? Carca could still b efaking for all I know, and I could be faking for all you know. Roles "possibly" appearing twice =/= is definitely the case here.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Dunn

^

This is L-1

^

[Almost50]

or maybe a50 can decide to just pursue his theory tomorrow when his wagon has a higher probability of going through than zero percent

The one reason I didn't want a wagon on me today is I hate to leave the game without leaving an impact, which is why I just LOVE to draw the NK to myself as a VT. I believe I did have an impact already, and I also know scum won't shoot me on N1 because there are better places to hunt for PRs.

I am alright being today's lynch myself.

[Almost50]

hammer trolling successful anonymousghost is locktown

[Almost50]

I'm nor going to even try to resist my wagon if it springs out of nowhere TODAY. I'll personally hammer myself if I am @L-1 within the next couple of hours. GO FOR IT, I DARE YOU!

[Almost50]

@tw/Dunn: Put you money where your foul mouths are. VOTE ME.

[Almost50]

monkey you tempt me so... ~

And what exactly is stopping you, may I ask?

[Almost50]

In fact..

VOTE: A50

I am going to be as stubborn as I ever can be. My vote will NOT be moving. If you want a lynch today you either lynch me or get 8 votes on someone else without my help, cuz you really really don't deserve my help in this game.

[Almost50]

That's 3 ... we need 5 more

[Almost50]

Because I don't want to replace out. You're all being bad (actually I wanted to say STUPID, but I don't want to offend anyone who doesn't know me well enough. Of course, calling those who know me well stupid isn't offending in the first place, so.. )

[Almost50]

just fucking lynch scum please

you don't have to gamethrow just because people are disagreeing with your theory and calling you scum

Who cares about lynching scum? At least 10 other slots obviously don't, so why should I?

[Almost50]

monkey you tempt me so... ~

And what exactly is stopping you, may I ask?

Time and the value of the Dunn flip!!

Dunn isn't going to get lynched today. He's scum and scum won't let him die on D1. Carca is his partner and that's why he wants to fake clear her tonight. I already claimed VT too, so why is he persistent on checking Carca?

[Almost50]

Monkey pal I think you know I'd rather give you the time you deserve to be read and come to a better decision before lol!lynching you d1 anyway

help us out here

the mere fact that YOU have even a 1% doubt about my alignment here is disappointing. Man, I could've sworn if ONE PLAYER in the game knew my play it would be you. Even more than Chara does.

[Almost50]

A50 you literally have the power to kill him today with your vote

Ok.. whatever..

VOTE: Dunn

L-something

[Almost50]

Like, I really don't care how the majority of players read me, because I know they don't know me that well 9some don't at all), and I get that my play appears scummy on the surface because I play and think differently. I get that and I don't mind.

What gets me pissed is the people whom I play with regularly and have seen my play as both alignments several times, and have even talked to me about game theory and what not via PM, and they still don't have a clue what I'm doing or even how I think.

@tw: What bloody Scum motive do I have to claim a VT at this time?? Forget about everything else. Just tell me that. WHAT does scum!me benefit from claiming VT with 20 hours left of the day, a wagon @L-1 and myself having not a single vote on me at the time?

[Almost50]

@tw: What bloody Scum motive do I have to claim a VT at this time?? Forget about everything else. Just tell me that. WHAT does scum!me benefit from claiming VT with 20 hours left of the day, a wagon @L-1 and myself having not a single vote on me at the time?

You were set to be the day 2 lynch. Don't say you forgot that?

So??? Are you saying because I'm "set to be the D2 lynch" I decided to get myself lynched on D1 instead? And instead of -allegedly- a TPR? Ir are you saying that I wanted to escape the lynch by giving you the chance to get a guilty on me? Or maybe you're saying me claiming a VT makes me more valuable to Town so they would rather lynch someone else who might be a TPR instead of lynching me on D2??

Like, I am a little bit slow, so help me out here and explain to me what you meant like I was a toddler sucking up my mama's bosom!

[Almost50]

VOTE: Carca

[Almost50]

is that for the VT claim or something else, Almost?

It is. I believe the way Anon responded is an implicit guilty. There's no way a mod can't confirm any given role can appear more than once. A mod can't confirm the role only appears once though because that's explicitly telling me Carca's lying.

[Almost50]

I mwan, put yourself in a moderator's PoV. Why would you not be able to say "Yes, a role can appear more than once?" It's not even confirming anything,, not that a role

does

exxist twice (or more) and certainly not the alignment of such role.

[Almost50]

I will have to refer you to the rules again:

"In general: if a question would break the game or implicate another player's role"

Now ask yourself: Would my question "break" the game?? I don't think it will. So, the only remaining option is it

implicates another player's role

[Almost50]

I don't care what it is anymore. I am on 100% tunnel mode and I won't back off.

[Almost50]

@Chara: Maybe they can only appear as different alignments.

[Almost50]

@Chara: Maybe they can only appear as different alignments.

that's also an assumption about the setup.
it's something i'd listen to with flips to back it up, not a theory based on your perception of how Anon would choose to answer questions.

and Carca's VT claim was very town, though that's besides my point.

Ok, let's lynch her and lynch me and then you'll have your flips.

P.S. Now I know you're scum. I just don't have the energy to push it, so GG all.. and congrats to the scum team of Chara/Maria/Carca

[Almost50]

It's just a gut feeling that you and Maria are now playing "Good one, Bad one" on me, while actively distancing form each other. One smooth talks me out of a SR on a p, while the other tunnels me aggressively for no apparent reason.

[Almost50]

Ok, since you all agree (Elsa, Koki & Chara) that Carca is Town, I think I have no alternative but to.. CONFIRM MY VOTE

VOTE: Carca

Thank you for your attention.

[Almost50]

And since

ROLES CAN APPEAR MORE THAN ONCE

I believe

ANOTHER VANILLA COP SHOULD NOT CC

if one exists.

CARCA IS NOT VANILLA

[Almost50]

the worst/Purrcocet/Performer/Snowman haven't posted yet (as well as Carca herself, but we won't get anything useful from her now).

Kokichi Oma has not posted after the guilty was outed too.

tl;dr: keep Carca @l-2 until everyone else has posted.

[Almost50]

Did I miss something? If Almost actually cop claimed there wouldn't he have done it out of the gate instead of trying to push the "Only one VT" line?

Why would I claim out of the gate if I haven't located the real VT yet?

[Almost50]

Did I miss something? If Almost actually cop claimed there wouldn't he have done it out of the gate instead of trying to push the "Only one VT" line?

Why would I claim out of the gate if I haven't located the real VT yet?

Didn't you say yesterday you were the real VT?

Did you want me to get myself killed before I checked the VT claim?

[Almost50]

Hey Almost, would you mind being Jailkeeped now? I still say VC is the weakest here unless you're confirming other VT claims. Which there are none atm besides Carca... Which is Appearantly false.

It's alright with me. At least I know I won't be NK'd

[Almost50]

Good, good... Now, regarding Ruby's flip, all townies who visited should say they visited them if you did. Dont bet on being the lucky 50% to not die. We gotta calculate this shit and keep track of how many town we could POSSIBLY lose. Plus it'll give the Protectives other targets instead of people who have a 50/50 chance to die regardless of their involvement.

NOBODY CLAIM!

Check the underlined.

Ruby Red died. They were

Envy the Jealous

.

Welcome

Ruby Red

. You are

Envy the Jealous

.

You are aligned with the

Advantages

and will win your faction eliminates any and all threats to the town. Please reply to this PM to show that you have confirmed. Here is the link to the discussion thread. Best of luck.

Besides your voice and your vote, here are your other abilities:

Green with Envy

[1-Shot Active]: You are a

50% Toxic Goo

. During any single night of your choosing, anyone who targets you with an ability will have a 50% of dying of poison at the end of the following day phase.

They will be alerted that they have been poisoned

and will be able to use their vote, be a viable lynch candidate for that Day Phase, and use any day abilities (if they have any).

[/spoiler]

Day Two begins!

Only if you have been notified you will die should you out your action and result. Otherwise, stay hidden.

[Almost50]

Good, good... Now, regarding Ruby's flip, all townies who visited should say they visited them if you did. Dont bet on being the lucky 50% to not die. We gotta calculate this shit and keep track of how many town we could POSSIBLY lose. Plus it'll give the Protectives other targets instead of people who have a 50/50 chance to die regardless of their involvement.

Re: your last part.. they also die at the end of the day anyway. They will not be available for night action and we will know it.

FoS EJ (I do not for a minute believe you didn't read the flipped role PM)

[Almost50]

God damnit Almost dont ruin my strategies. Pointing it out just fucked everything up.

Correct play >> strategies. We need NOT out our TPRs "just because"

[Almost50]

@Almost50

Couldn't she have done the exact same thing you just did? What makes you claiming VT and then not being VT different from her?

Her claim came out of nowhere. Mine was way later when I realized I have been giving some PR vibes. Let's just wait and see how she responds to this. Maybe she will out being a PR and having some beneficial info (but I will still be skeptical because she didn't even care to show up so far).

If we go ahead and lynch her and she flips scum (as opposed to a Town PR) I am going to tunnel you next, because all you responses so far are looking like you want to give her a leeway to get out of a genuine guilty.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost50

Almost is scum for outing ...town

??

Are you Schizophrenic?

[Almost50]

You ran up Carca knowing she's most likely TPR And you just said in your post you wouldn't really believe it if she claimed one which reads like an out

Am I missing something

You're missing that she hasn't posted in this thread as of yet. Like, if you were a TPR wouldn't you just want to check if you were still alive at the very least?

[Almost50]

In the first place she hasn't been active sitewide...
She didn't post D1 EoD

Well, I can wait. I'm in no hurry anyway, since tonight is most probably the night I get murdered.

[Almost50]

I can lynch Lady Angel today if y'all want to spare Carca. Sounds strange? Well, I'm doing the math. We lost 2 townies, and assuming the worst:

We are now 9 vs 3. Let's assume Lady Angel is town (again, this is the WORST CASE SCENARIO, so don't anybody ask "why would I lynch Town?"m because I'm not. I think she's scum, but I am hypothizing the worst case).

So tomorrow we are 7 v 3 and we know who to lynch already.

But if Lady Angel flips Scum then we are at 6 v 2 tomorrow.

Finally, I will be able to provide another result, OR I would be NK'd, flipped and my result would be confirmed to those who are still skeptical.

I am not saying this is the best play either, but I am getting bored of waiting and waiting. The game is virtually dead already.

P.S. I also am taking into account what EJ said about Carca having shot Ruby and gotten poisoned. It makes sense for the claimed VT to do the kill when the Neapolitan has already been lynched I guess. If that's the case then lyching Carca in actually suboptimal bc she's dying anyway, but we don't know that for sure. :/

[Almost50]

VOTE: Lady Angel

Also,

@Mod: No prods (2nd option)

[Almost50]

I am going to be at my calmest and coolest: Who on this planet thinks Scum!Me would pick Carca as my "mislynch" target of the who;e lot of you? Can someone answer me that little one? Anyone??

[Almost50]

I didn't believe a50 because Carcalilly did nothing last night, which makes me think she was VT.

Really?

OK, I'll play. Let's hypothetically say you're a Follower, and let's hypothetically say you targeted Carca and she did nothing last night. Did you consider she might be Ninja (so might have acted and you didn't see it)? OK, let's say she's not Ninja and she really didn't act last night. Does that say anything

conclusive

about her role/alignment?

Another question that springs to mind (but not necessarily to you): So, Lady Angel "hypothetically" had some reason to suspect my result. What was Purr's? And..

What is Maria's?

VOTE: Maria

She was willing to lynch Carca, and now she is calling for my lynch too. How can she believe my result on Carca AND still think I'm scum??

[Almost50]

Tbh, Lady Angel is confusing to me, that I ahve no idea what to think of her anymore.

Her main argument before she outed she targeted Carca was "what does scum!Carca VT claim benefit her?", but the if that's what she really thinks, then why the hell would she waste a night action on her? It's because she did NOT believe Carca to be a VT. Right? So it follows that the VT claim is exactly what benefits scum Carca the most, and all she had to do was stay put for a Tracker/Follower to confirm she didn't act (and that's assuming Carca isn't Ninja to begin with).

But I'm more confident now in MariaR flipping scum, and even more than I'm confident in my own result on Carca.

Like, Carca may theoretically still flip a TPR. Lady Angel may theoretically have got that result on Carca as either alignment, either because Carca really didn;t act or because she's Ninja.

What is damning about Maria is her supporting the lynch AND calling me scum at the same breath. This -to me- could mean Carca is Town after all (stupid claim, but whatever), and Maria knew it. She wanted Carca to get mislynched and then she would have turned on me anyway, and when that got stalled she turned on me just the same.

Note: Maria flipped against me BEFORE Lady Angel said anything.

It's Maria + Purr + Carca/Koki/Lady/EJ (yeah, you know I won't ever trust you 100%)

[Almost50]

I don't either, but I've given up on trying to understand her play for now. If she's Town she can explain it post-game if she likes. She's not a priority on my lynch list though.

[Almost50]

I have my own hypothesis on this. Maria sends Purr out to support her in attacking me, and even more fiercely than Maria herself, so when I FoS Purr it looks like OMGUS and she can discredit my pushes on her and her partners. Do NOT underestimate Scum!Maria.

[Almost50]

I tracked a VT claim day 1 because I thought I would learn if anyone targeted her...

You can all crucify me now, that was extremely stupid of me.

LOL! What? Is this the first time you encounter a Tracker?

[Almost50]

personally, I don't really believe A50 because I sr have and have had carca as a tr most of the game.

I have a pressing issue with the result and that can only be answered by Carca.

I can't say what it is because then Carca can base there answer around it.

So for now I think waiting for the replacement is a good idea.

Lady confusing watcher/tracker doesn't really bother me? I think at most 1 scum is in those 3 together and watcher is one of the best roles in the game so lynching that right away is eh.

Bookmarking this for later.

[Almost50]

personally, I don't really believe A50 because I sr have and have had carca as a tr most of the game.

Also this is most funny in light of this:

VOTE: Carca

UNVOTE:
Don't want self hammers

So, Maria doesn't believe me, but voted Carca whom she was TRing anyway, and the only reason she unvoted is to avoid a self-hammer.

[Almost50]

So why did you vote in the first place when you still have me down as Scum?

[Almost50]

Now let's see who's tunneling whom, shall we?

This is you:

@Chara: Noted. You might have noticed I didn't look at you much either, and it's for a reason.

Right now Purr is exhausting all her chances with me. I said I don't see scum!her doing this silly push on me, but she has outdone herself with that "selective/out of context quoting" which you know I really hate. Now why would TOWN ever do that when the explanation was not even a line below, but started ON THE SAME LINE she stopped at?

VOTE: Purr

This needs to get flipped NOW rather than 24 hours later!!!!

VOTE: A50
Will give more thoughts later but for now

I'm going out and I forgot what I said I'd answer too besides my a50 read if anyone wants me to answer shit just quote it or ask me and I'll get to it when I get back

Because I basically forgot all my reads besides having a sr on a50 and yourself. So I'm resetting *shrug* believe me or don't.

Here Dunn just for you
VOTE: A50
just cause you think you're trying now I'll move~

Thanks for stating the obvious A50 continue to keep that up instead of giving actual options. No srsly it makes it easier to lynch you tomorrow

maria if I died today
then who would you say is scum next

A50.

VOTE: A50
Pedit: Very true

VOTE: A50
Pedit: Very true

I knew it would come down to this. This is why I hate playing with you. Scum you tunnels me, and Town you SRs me all the same.

ooo nice ate first I'm hearing at this point.

Hey earth to MariaR

I think A50 is scum over Alonzo right now

Why not both. I'll lynch either though

VOTE: A50
This or alan

Join A50 and I'll give you a pass for the next day.
I'll explain why you're scum when I'm less busy so prob tomorrow

Sorry guys with holidays coming up I'm a mess.
I saw we unvoted w/e there name is can we go back to lynching alonzo/a50

personally, I don't really believe A50 because I sr have and have had carca as a tr most of the game. I have a pressing issue with the result and that can only be answered by Carca. I can't say what it is because then Carca can base there answer around it. So for now I think waiting for the replacement is a good idea. Lady confusing watcher/tracker doesn't really bother me? I think at most 1 scum is in those 3 together and watcher is one of the best roles in the game so lynching that right away is eh.

And this is me:

I can roll the dice until I get a 5 and then vote Maria. Would that be "proven randomness"??

I have no read on Maria, but one thing that I noticed is she's trying her best to find an alternative to the Dunn wagon while they actively take bouts at each other!

OK.. and if I'm a Cop I'd be on MariaR or Chara. But -of course- that's IF I was the Cop, which I'm not.

VOTE: Dunn

Just do it EJ... put him @ L1

Elsa should visit me everytime if they're town so it doesn't work. That's just such a scum sounding role though

I agree. Elsa should provide cover for you so no investigative/informative could EVER get a hold on you. You'd be Ninja yourself to Tracker/Watcher and appear innocent to Alignment Cop. I have no idea how it interacts with Vanilla Cop and/or Neapolitan since neither give a hard guilty anyway, so you appearing Not Vanilla or even Not Vanilla Town isn't anything I'd be pushing you over unless you claimed a VT.

So far:

3- MariaR claimed Ascetic. Why she DIDN'T claim that earlier is the question. I believe Ascetic is a modifier you need to claim at the start of the game to avoid having investigative/informative/protective roles wasting a night action on you anyway.

P-edit: Where? Show me where you claimed, please.

@Chara: Maybe they can only appear as different alignments.

that's also an assumption about the setup.
it's something i'd listen to with flips to back it up, not a theory based on your perception of how Anon would choose to answer questions.

and Carca's VT claim was very town, though that's besides my point.

Ok, let's lynch her and lynch me and then you'll have your flips.

P.S. Now I know you're scum. I just don't have the energy to push it, so GG all.. and congrats to the scum team of Chara/Maria/Carca

It's just a gut feeling that you and Maria are now playing "Good one, Bad one" on me, while actively distancing form each other. One smooth talks me out of a SR on a p, while the other tunnels me aggressively for no apparent reason.

I didn't believe a50 because Carcalilly did nothing last night, which makes me think she was VT.

Another question that springs to mind (but not necessarily to you): So, Lady Angel "hypothetically" had some reason to suspect my result. What was Purr's? And..

What is Maria's?

VOTE: Maria

She was willing to lynch Carca, and now she is calling for my lynch too. How can she believe my result on Carca AND still think I'm scum??

But I'm more confident now in MariaR flipping scum, and even more than I'm confident in my own result on Carca.

Like, Carca may theoretically still flip a TPR. Lady Angel may theoretically have got that result on Carca as either alignment, either because Carca really didn;t act or because she's Ninja.

What is damning about Maria is her supporting the lynch AND calling me scum at the same breath. This -to me- could mean Carca is Town after all (stupid claim, but whatever), and Maria knew it. She wanted Carca to get mislynched and then she would have turned on me anyway, and when that got stalled she turned on me just the same.

Note: Maria flipped against me BEFORE Lady Angel said anything.

It's Maria + Purr + Carca/Koki/Lady/EJ (yeah, you know I won't ever trust you 100%)

I have my own hypothesis on this. Maria sends Purr out to support her in attacking me, and even more fiercely than Maria herself, so when I FoS Purr it looks like OMGUS and she can discredit my pushes on her and her partners. Do NOT underestimate Scum!Maria.

personally, I don't really believe A50 because I sr have and have had carca as a tr most of the game.

I have a pressing issue with the result and that can only be answered by Carca.

I can't say what it is because then Carca can base there answer around it.

So for now I think waiting for the replacement is a good idea.

Lady confusing watcher/tracker doesn't really bother me? I think at most 1 scum is in those 3 together and watcher is one of the best roles in the game so lynching that right away is eh.

Bookmarking this for later.

personally, I don't really believe A50 because I sr have and have had carca as a tr most of the game.

Also this is most funny in light of this:

VOTE: Carca

UNVOTE:
Don't want self hammers

So, Maria doesn't believe me, but voted Carca whom she was TRing anyway, and the only reason she unvoted is to avoid a self-hammer.

13 times including 4 votes from you on me vs 12 times including 1 vote from me on you.

Looking closer you made 303 & 360 before I ever mentioned you, and even when I did in 429 it was a sarcastic comment.

Yet you made 758 & 759 and I responded in 777 which you quickly countered in 778 then I requested a Cop on you in 871

1101 & 1162 of yours came way before I started taking the bait and made my 1190 & 1205

Then you finished our interactions for D1 with 1237 & 1688

On D2 I didn't mention you before 1958 then 1963, at which point you had already made 1934 & 1951 voting me out of the gate for no reason but an unexplained SR on me carried out from D1 with no further evidence.

It didn't take you much to renew the charge on me with 2105, again for no stated reason. Note that you had promised you'd be stating reasons since D1 and never actually did.

Then

I made a case

on you in in 2113 & followed that with 2117 & 2121 and you responded with 2137, so I pointed out the contradictions in both 2141 & 2142.

And you have the guts to accuse me of tunneling you? Lady, have you no shame??

[Almost50]

Because I was stupid and thought it was a hard guilty until I thought for a moment.

And why would you believe a hard guilty from someone you're SRing? And what changes your stance regarding >me< when you realize it's a soft guilty?? You either SR me and don't believe what I say or do NOT SR me so are willing to sheep a hard guilty declared by me, and then back down when you realize it's not as hard, but w.o. FoS'ing me. You simply can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Almost50]

If lady thought she was a watcher why would she watch the VT claim. Makes no sense

Because I mentioned more than once yesterday that she was one of my top townreads?

Let's be very calm and logical. Whether you TR her is irrelevant. Watcher would want to catch someone in action. You watch someone who is likely to be investigated, protected or NK'd. That way you identify the Cop(s), Jailleeper or Scum.

A VT is unlikely to be visited by a Cop (after all the Neapolitan was lynched already) and unlikely to be protected (why would the JK protect a VT? Maybe they would BLOCK them if they thought they're lying), and Scum certainly don't want to waste their NK on a VT.

So, even if I buy that you thought you're a Watcher it still doesn't make sense that you targeted Carca of all.

Now that I'm fully awake I decided to skim your ISO, and this is what I found:

I think Ruby Red is town, and I would also townread MariaR and Carcalilly.

So, RUBY RED was your top TR (judging by the phrasing) followed by Maria & Carca.

Now tell me again why did you "Watch" Carca and not Ruby?

[Almost50]

is elsa a wolf this time or am i dumb?

Why not both?

(Cheap shot, I know.. but it's been a while since I poked you in the nose, and I miss bugging you and driving you up the wall).

[Almost50]

who else isn't American but fully intends to be lazy during American Thanksgiving?
just me?

I'm not American, and my activity depends on 2 main factors: How I feel and whether there is activity from others.

[Almost50]

B) this setup doesn't have an alignment cop.

Except it does. Check the possible roles (8th slot I think)

[Almost50]

suddenly on d2 he claims hes sick

Do you think his IRL sickness has to do with him being poisoned by Ruby's role??

[Almost50]

ruby should never have been an nk last night compared to other people here
thinking its because someone knew his alt

"his"?? OMG! I think I remember whom it is now! Shoot!

[Almost50]

Modular Setup and Turn Order:

Spoiler: Possible Role PMs

Welcome

USERNAME

. You are Despair the Endless.

Welcome

USERNAME

. You are Wrath the Vengeful.

Toxic Goo

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Welcome

USERNAME

. You are Envy the Jealous.

Green Goo

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4 -

Motivator

5-

Jail Keeper

6-

Elite Bodyguard

7-

Lawyer

8-

Welcome

USERNAME

. You are Lust the Lascivious.

[Win Condition/Alignment goes here]. Please reply to this PM to show that you have confirmed. Here is the link to the discussion thread. Best of luck.

Besides your voice and your vote, here are your other abilities:

Good Cop, Bad Cop

[Active]: You are an Alignment Cop. You may target a player, in an attempt to discover their alignment. Town players will return as 'Advantage' and scum will return as 'Hardship'.

9- You are Gluttony the Voracious.

Neapolitan

10- You are Forgiveness the Absolved.

Vanilla Cop

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P-edit: *Sigh* Gonna post this anyway. I didn't just spend 5+ minutes to just discard the post.

[Almost50]

I'm not American, and my activity depends on 2 main factors: How I feel and whether there is activity from others.

i didnt know youre not american!

i dont think i ever play depending on just how i feel and if theres activity from others

Well, if I have a headache or not concentrating enough I won't be playing the way I would if I was fully concentrating. And if there's enough activity there's something for me to comment on, while if nobody else is posting I am basically talking to myself.

[Almost50]

if we mislynch again, then we're screwed

Not really. This is why I am willing to give my guilty another day.

The game explicitly has only 3 scums vs 11 Townies. Now we are 9 vs 3. Another mislynch and a successful NK = 7 vs 3. We can afford yet another mislynch at that point before we are in MyLo.

[Almost50]

OK, so let me be more analytical than I had intended to be.

I will be working from scratch to make things simple for everyone. It's like building an application using open source code available to everyone, so it should be easy for everyone to comprehend and "edit" the theory.

This also means I won't be using my expectations/experience at the basic step, maybe later on, but not the core idea.

So, While Flag is an all Vanilla 9 v 3 setup, but requires the lynch of only 2 scums for the Town to win, so in theory it's 9 vs 2.5 (?)

Stack the Deck starts with 10 vs 3, but the Town is already with 2 TPRs and Scum are with a Traitor. If Scum recruit the Traitor that's a 3rd TPR for the Town to take. Any additional poowers the Scum take also give the Town an additional TPR.

So, 3 TPRs + 7 VTs vs 3 Goons.

Combining the 2, it's generally accepted that the Town will have 2-3 TPRs + 1 TPR for every Scum PR. It's not an exact/accurate formula because it also depends on how powerful the PRs are on each side, so it could be 2 v 1 or 3 v 0, but not say 2 v 3 or 4 v 0.

So, 3 Goons

in this game

vs 3 TPRs + 8 VTs is a bit of a stretch (I'm NOT taking anything we KNOW from the proceedings of the game into account yet). Scum should at least have 1 PR on their side.

Now, let's implement some knowledge: We had 2 flipped TPRs already.

I am claiming a TPR and so is EJ

. The underlined is not solid info to all players. Only >I< know my role for sure and only EJ knows his for sure, so theoretically either or both could be lying, but we do know we had

at least 2 TPRs at the start of the game

. Right?

Now let's assume all of the other living players are VTs (impossible proposition in practice, but a valid one in theory based on what

everybody knows

). This means one of myself/EJ is scum 99% of the time. If we are both PRs then one is very very likely scum, and if one of us is lying then they're likely scum. If either is lying and the rest of the players are VTs I can't see 3 TPRs vs 3 Goons because one was a Neapolitan which would have been VERY powerful, since they could hypothetically have given a hard clear each night. Combine that with a 50% for the "goon" who shoots Ruby to be poisoned and you know this would be one hell of a Town-sided setup, so even if one of myself/EJ is faking, the one NOT faking is also likely scum!!!

But wait! Some of you already know they are no VTs. This means Scum will have at least one other TPR other than the one between me and EJ.

Let me stop at this for now and see how you guys perceive what I'm saying and what your thoughts are. (Note that I have yet to implement my result on Carca in any way)

Another point (not related to the above) is the Ruby Red's flip. It says 50% Toxic Goo. The Original/Sample role doesn't include such a %age. This leads me to believe either Scum also have a Toxic Goo (thus the probability split) or Town was deemed to be too strong for the Scum to handle with a typical Toxic Goo (one that would poison who targets them 100% of the Town).

Please also discuss this proposition if you will.

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

4 days later bad skin pale af dark eyes

I spent two days sleeping more than 12 hours with a fever and I'm a contractor so that means I'm missing out on money this fortnight :[

I am sick and I'm not happy about you pretending I would play this as though I was faking it. You talked me into townreading you day one for game related reasons. Return the courtesy, stop the angleshooting and try to sort me for reals. >:C

Ran that image through FBI filing system, and it seems you're not registered. But why do I still feel you could be scum? Shall I consult the CIA??

[Almost50]

Please also discuss this proposition if you will.

a50 my friend

do i really need to break my nos/nm/wisdom/fb playstyles and go to my original one ...

Yes to breaking the fake style, but no to original style. What I need you to do is adopt Flavor Leaf's style and fake a Mason with me, so we can move our votes together.

[Almost50]

wynaut just lynch Elsa today and force both pr claims to produce results?

Frankly I'll never be able to come up with a good argument against lynching the claimed Lawyer. However, I feel like LA has greater equity of flipping scum here, and so does a couple more slots, which means EJ might not flip scum after all.

One thing about Scum!RJ is he tends to be more self-centered and defensive, and when he goes on the offense his charges make less than average sense. Here he is 50% less self-centered and his arguments are making more sense. (I still won't 100% trust him though).

[Almost50]

I tracked Carcalilly thinking I was watching Carcalilly because

she was a claimed PR

who I townread pretty solidly,

Say what?? OK, regardless of you alignment you really need to go NOW.

VOTE: Lady Angel

[Almost50]

Do monkey/elsa SvS like this? I feel like I'm being obtuse. Obviously something wonky is going on and I have no idea what it is.

I am not gonna stop you from calling yourself anything if you can't see how LA is moving from bad to worse with every single post she makes.

First she discredits an investigative result w.o. mentioning a reason. Then she comes up with a really bad reason that Carca did nothing last night. The she says she thought she was a Watcher rather than a Tracker. The she says Carca was her top TR when she obviously had Ruby as her Top TR by the end of D1. Then she explains that Carca was a claimed PR when all the fuss was about Carca claiming a VT unprompted.

So, LA + Carca + ??? tw?? maybe??

If that's the case, then I do feel sorry for you. Really. I dunno why you didn't replace out when you saw you were grouped with 2 incompetent scums (no offense).

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

Let me think about this

[Almost50]

OH LOOK I WAS CORRECT.
YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?
I BET CARA FAKE CLAIMED VT AS PR
*eye roll*

SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU ARE TOO DAMN STUPID TO OPEN SAY ANYTHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S BEING SAID!

@Lady Angel: Let's see you type this one more time, please... so you are not with a weak modifier. Right? You do NOT dies if YOU target Scum. But you die if SCUM TARGET YOU, even if they targeted you with a non-killing action? Is that what you're saying?

[Almost50]

OK.. I will choose to believe you. LA. (inb4 "someone" says I am doing this to have myself or a scum buddy target LA tonight and have 2 kills instead of just one.)

So where do we go from here?? I currently SR Purr the most. I will lay down my Carca result for some time (until a replacement comes in and actually gives us some feedback).

Is anyone on board for a Purr wagon?

VOTE: Purr

[Almost50]

Notes to self:
-koki/tw/alonzo/LA/a50 likely town
-LA & EJ probably opposite alignment
-snow/marie/EJ or chara team???

Walk me through LA, please. I can maybe accept a town case on anyone else, but I'm finding this one hard to swallow.

1- Do you believe ANYONE would confuse the verbs "to watch" and "to track"??
2- Do you thin her stating Carca was "a claimed PR" is a genuine "town" misspeak?? Because I sure as hell won't take that it was LA misunderstanding what a VT is, so you mcut be saying she meant claimed VT not PR.
3- Do you believe anyone would have "watched" a VT, let alone actually track them?? (This is actually dependent on your answer to 1, but since I don't readily have your answer I chose to phrase it this way)

[Almost50]

I also reiterate that a claimed tracker can be further resolved by tracking tonight. You should know this.

Yeah, we can tell her to track me and then I get shot and she gets away with it.

[Almost50]

@Persi: Welcome.

To the point: Carca claimed VT for no good reason. I checked her and got Not Vanilla. This means you're either a TPR or a scum slot. Which is it? This is the game status in a nutshell.

[Almost50]

I dunno anymore. Everyone is shielding someone, so it's really hard to tell who's scum and who's being bad.

I still want LA's head over anyone else's because I don't believe ANYONE could mess up like that as a TPR. God, this is even worse than scum who crumbed their flavor in a game that heavily relied on flavor. (Overkill 1)

[Almost50]

a50 you checked carc, she was not vanilla?
Still makes little sense that you checked her when she claimed vt because what if she IS vt but just a lousy town player??

Dude.

That is what Vanilla Cops/Neapolitans are designed to do: confirm pure vanilla claims (Vanilla TOWN in the case of Nea). My check makes perfect sense to me because if I checked anyone else they'd either return Vanilla (that's either VT or Mafia Goon), or NOT Vanilla (That's a TPR or a Mafia PR), so essentially I have NOTHING.

Checking Carca would have given me Vanilla (still not 100% conclusive on her alignment, but -at least- the Vanilla part is confirmed) or NOT Vanilla (which is what I got, so confirming she was caught in a lie, and given that she claimed under no pressure at all it is more indicative of Scum. Carca is not the kind of player to gambit as a TPR).

That said, why don't we all wait for Persi to say something before we continue to debate about this issue? We have other slots to discuss and case. Now let's get back to the LA issue.

[Almost50]

Inb4 cults and everyone is town

sorry for being a lil useless I'm getting past the sickfulness but need to conserve energy and I haven't worked up the WIM for this one yet

I will be amazing l8r I promise maybe

mate, I've realized a serious drop in your activity since we last talked on Discord, and I fear the worst. You didn't search for that video clip I told you about did you??

[Almost50]

Well you shouldn't have done what you did then. I suspect that's what got you sick in the first place. The subject has been around for some time, so what made you it was safe for you to be reckless wit it?

[Almost50]

let's be real tho
town doesn't have a nea and a vt does it?

VOTE: A50

No it doesn't and I was wondering why everybody bought my claim that easy!

I'm a VT and I was doing my own thing to get reads on all slots. Lady Angel's reactions and attitude was really really bad.

And before you jump the gun: It was like.. make a push on Carca and see who opposed it strongly to evaluate whether Carca was scum with someone. When most everybody (but LA) bought the claim I was trying to find a way around it w.o. outing, so scum would have a me and Carca as potential PRs and shoot one of us. Simple, huh?

I didn't foresee Carca flaking, and -of course- playing with Persy is a whole lot different. I don't want him to get shot (I didn't mind losing VT!Carca tbh, because her play is midiocre anyway, so "cannon fodder"), and -of course- I just LOVE to be NK'd as a VT, and was fairly disappointed I wasn't.

Hint to those not in the know: I often claim VT as a PR, and even when I do as a VT I still get NK'd all the time. It didn't work this time, but I actually wanted to post this one more time.

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Oh, well.. I guess it's not meant to be here. But the gambit did provide some interactions and discussions, so I'm not really sorry. It was fun too.

[Almost50]

Im saying elsa or a50 today
I Dnt rly townread purrformer tho

What's the case on elsa, SCUM?

[Almost50]

Performer: I am especially grateful for the time Carca flaking provided me to keep that gambit alive. It wasn't expected, but it worked for the best.

I am still puzzled by the TR you have on LA tbh. Just bc she decided to vote someone you SR doesn't mean she's town nor that your SR on EJ is correct.

I am analyzing LA's play via her claim and claimed action, and you quoted the post where I summed it all up. Is short, nothing adds up on what she said. Not her confusion about what her role is, and certainly not the reasoning for picking her night target.

If she though she was a Watcher, the last person she'd want to WATCH is the claimed VT. Period. Nobody was ever going to shoot Carca on N1, N2 or even N3. Literally ANY other slot would have been a better target for the Watcher.

Now add she said Carca was a "claimed PR" and you know it's a scum slot fumbling for what to say.

LA's "emotional speech" about her sucking and deserving to be lynched doesn't score points on my register AT ALL. In fact, I don't get affected by AtE much. It's a ploy to win everybody's compassion. Nothing more and nothing less.

Now, the next suspect would still be Percy, but it's both conditional and circumstantial. For Carca (Percy) to be Scum; LA has to be. If LA was Town then I have no case on Carca. My thought process is "why would Scum!LA go out of her way to defend Town!Carca", and this is where the circumstantial part comes in: Scum may indeed have a Vanilla Cop, and since they already know who Scum are it is identical to a Town Neapolitan. If they checked Carca last night they don't want to push her today as she is no threat to them (LA even gets to pocket Carca with that defense), AND they already know her role. They'd want to push someone else in hopes for a TPR claim/reveal.

Purr is actually a stronger Sr for me than Carca is. I can't quite explain it, but if you try to see it my way and assume (hypothetically from your PoV) that LA is scum, then try to reread the whole D2 action I think you'll see Purr as a SR and independently than either of LA/Carca

I'm not exactly clearing tw, but I have nothing damning against him. He's just not in the mood, and he's sick so I'll give him some slack.

So. let me go back to LA: She's SCUM. And Purr is SCUM. I dunno who their third might be yet, but give me time and I'll probably figure it out. Right now I already have 2 lynch targets in my pool, and I can only vote one of them today even, so let me worry about the third Scum when I've confirmed at least one of these two.