Pikmin Mafia - Game over

[armlx]

You were still attacking the slip, thats the flaw.

[Kison]

Are you saying that attacking the slip is a bad thing? Period? If so then do explain.

[armlx]

No, at the point he was doing it it was. He started on it during the D2 GS wagon.

[Kison]

Where is the cutoff point for you, then?

[armlx]

A bit before I did, when ZS became a valid wagon.

[mikeburnfire]

Vote Count!
With 14 alive, it will take 8 to lynch.

4 Greasy Spot (skitzer, Gorrad, windkirby, JamesThePhox)
2 GhostWriter (GhostWriter, Kison)
1 Gorrad (Greasy Spot)
1 Xdaamno (Xdaamno)
1 PyroDwarf (PyroDwarf)
1 Kison (armlx)
1 Blazerunner (Blazerunner)
1 Claus (Claus)
1 The Jester (The Jester)
1 Shamrock (Shamrock)
0 No Lynch

[Blazerunner]

@armlx, please explain one of your arguments to me:

His first post voting you lacked real content vs you and felt to me like a weak attempt at pushing a wagon and hopping off GS at that time, which was exactly what I was expecting from scum regardless of where they moved their vote. However, he ended up posting a real case that has convinced me otherwise.

You said a lot of times you didn't agree with the GS wagon:

Jdodge and GS are being voted unnecessarily, etc.

So, why exctly did you expect mafia to push a wagon and hop off GS? Because the majority of town agreed the wagon on his slip was bad? But if you expected scum to hop off the wagon when they realised it wasn't good, what would you expect pro-town players on the wagon to do on the same circumstances?

[armlx]

Its more a matter of how they hopped off. Those who simply unvoted and didn't go elsewhere weren't too suspect, neither were those who actually made a decent case to back their attack. However JtP's actual moving of a vote with little reasoning at the time struck me as extremely scummy.

[Blazerunner]

Well armlx I went for a re-reado on how JtP hopped off, to check what you are saying... These where 4 consecutive posts of him (consecutive meaning there was no post between them, not that they where made in quick succession or whatever)...

I'm here as well. That is a highly amusing picture, mike.

Picking his prod

No one has talked since the placement of the deadline.

Vote: Greasy Spot

for the hammer of the Purple Pikmin, ZS. And for other past scum vibes.

I'll be busy this week, Mod. Don't replace me, please.

Going for GS

I concur with JDodge's case on Kison. Kison, early on, seemed to take many opportune votes, switching between bandwagons.

I would rather see more pressure on Kison than GS.

Unvote: Greasy Spot; Vote: Kison

Unvoting GS

JDodge makes a good point.

Vote: JDodge

Being ironical on JDodge. JDodge's point just before this post was, basically "There's no point in voting someone in this situation if you don't want them lynched." then JtP voted JDodge, probably meaning: I am voting you because I want you lynched. Indeed, not here, nor when unvoting GS and going for Kison, he actually gives any argument, not even like "I agree with all the things Player 1 said about Player 2, vote Player 2". No argument at all.

Just as you said, little reasoning, and I definetly think he is a best lynch than my current vote...

unvote
vote: JamesThePhox

[armlx]

Yeah, thats why JtP is right behind Kison on my scum list.

[Kison]

Kison is Town to the T.

GW - still alive?

[JamesThePhox]

Well, we did have the ability to vote as many people as we want. Why not vote someone you are mildly suspicious of?

[armlx]

Well, we did have the ability to vote as many people as we want. Why not vote someone you are mildly suspicious of?

I explained how that is bad because it just leads to things spiraling out of control in multiple directions with little focus. Have you ever been in a normal game with 2 large wagons at once? Imagine that with more potential for an oops lynch.

[Kison]

Just read through Xdaamno's posts. He's delivered next to no content. Also :

Unvote JamesThePhox, armlx

Vote: Greasy Spot

Ignores JtP's vote on JDodge. Proceeds to vote GS in the middle of D2 without any reason. This is one you want to keep an eye on, folks.

Unvote

Vote : JamesThePhox

However, I feel most comfortable with lynching JtP, I think. His vote on me yesterday was mildly bothering. His flip-around vote on JDodge(who's logic he was

backing

a few posts prior) was even worse. Gorrad, are you still bent on GS primarily because of his slip?

[Kison]

The reason I mention Xdaamno ignoring JtP's JDodge vote is because he unvotes him a mere few posts after that vote is placed. He's either not paying attention to the game or let the significance slide.

[Gorrad]

It's certainly a good basis for my suspicion. There's also the whole Sonickid connection, can't overlook that.

[Greasy Spot]

Well it looks like the gang is back on my wagon again.

As it was pointed out that Gorrad's claim could very well be legit I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

unvote

Since I don't want my vote on me I will move it to another person I voted for on day 2

vote: Pyrodwarf

[skitzer]

just to note, before Greasy Spot voted, on previous votecounts he didn't have a vote, even on himself, but that should be fixed.

Also, a comment on why GS is a better lynch than Gorrad: I would be voting for Gorrad, if he hadn't been so blunt is his claim. I might look closer at him tonight.

[armlx]

Skitzer, we already confirmed there is no Pikmin enemy that can blow people up. No clue why you still suspect Gorrad.

[skitzer]

Oh, right. But still, why would someone say that?

[Gorrad]

Say what, the blunt claim? It's typically what I do. At L-2, I claim. I'll do softclaiming beforehand, sure, but when I'm that far run up I see no reason to beat around the bush or wait until people call for the claim.

See Portal Mafia.

[windkirby]

No, at the point he was doing it it was. He started on it during the D2 GS wagon.

I didn't "start" on it at all. Kison was arguing for the "you people" argument, which I felt was crap, so naturally argued against it. The statement of my opinion on the slip was instigated by Kison's bringing it back up, and therefore I didn't "start" on anything.

However, GS's most recent post does quell me a bit. His slip and hammer are starting to shrink in comparison to JtP's awful play.

unvote

JtP, I will ask this again: where did I say that I trusted in Kison just because he was pro-town in a previous game? Where was it even implied?

vote: JamesthePhox

[Kison]

Just for the record, I never argued for the slip being a valid tell during D2. I pressured GS during D1 and once I dropped it, I dropped it(other than questioning others about it).

[Claus]

JtP is a good lynch.

D1: He skimmed D1
D2:
- Setup guessing (minor scumtell)
- Votes GS for "hammer" and "scummy vibes"
- switch vote for kison - "don't want pressure on GS anymore"
- votes JDodge for ???
- votes GW for ???
- (post 9)Answer to my questioning on the JDodge and Kison votes, says he got "weird vibes" from Jdodge, and opportunism from Kison - flimsy reasons on the first, pot-kettle on the second
- (posts 10-11) attacks GS, but do not vote him
- (post 14) now he thinks a GS lynch would not be good. Votes sonickid for nothing (first time he mentions sonick)
D3:
- (post 15) Says that on D2 he didn't buy the claim (easy claim), and now on D3 he trusts it??? How? I don't see how Gorrad is so much more confirmed today than yesterday - yes, he has an exploding power - how do you "know_ it is a town exploding power?
- (post 18) he asks why he shouldn't vote on everyone he was suspicious of - well, you seemed suspicious of GS (10-11), still you didn't vote him.

Too flippy floppy to my tastes, on a large number of issues.

vote JtP

[Claus]

I'm starting also to suspect WindKirby and Kison less, based on a quick re-read of them both.