Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

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Skyg is a hard read
I literally didn't touch her iso before I subbed in btw in case I didn't say

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and yeah my playstyle is rarely consistent which I think is why some people find reading me to be a pain in the ass

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I'm probably taking your word for Vex being town a little here. he's low on my priorities anyway tbqh but i haven't read any posts of his and felt like "YEAH DAMN RIGHT" yet

Tbf I've skipped a lot of his posts

it seems like there's a lot of fluffy stuff and I'm getting a kinda self important/lotta clout energy but also like non nuanced 1 dimensional reads but i guess that's pretty consistent with his town meta so *shrugs*

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You really think he'd get comfortable enough to do that as scum? Not the impression I got from Forest Fire.

> get townread
> start prodging
I feel it

Still think he's more likely just town tbh but that's more of an holistic read than my own

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ya nah that's fair, scumflip after a long ass d1 makes d2 ironically pretty exhausting

you're fine just bad timing for me to try and re-read you

happy w Gamma or Enigma today

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also, @tw, how do you know that me and enigma have different wincons?
are you assuming that im certainly town and that enigma is certainly mafia?

ive also been trying to figure out this one, but haven't really been able to

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric

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I have solved the game

three scums in {alonzo, gamma, bujaber}

lmao

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I can't remember why but I have the HotWaterService/Alonzo slot down as pretty town

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I can't remember why

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kinda hoping someone will rock up and remind me why

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@skitter: This is gonna sound

very

anti-town, but I have to say it now because:

(a) We're running out of time
(b) The ongoing conversation is becoming a bit frustrating
(c) It is too obvious by now anyway

tw suspects Gamma might be a PR. I mean, Gamma could very well be scum too, but when it's "either scum or a PR playing scummy" you know you don't want to go their on D1.

Also, the focus on the Vig and their shot is making everybody disregard all other possibilities. Maybe we don't have a Vig but we have a Tracker? In that case the Tracker can verify whether Gamma acts at night and go from there.

I mean, I agree with that many possibilities and not even knowing how many PRs we have it's kind of impossible for us to figure the right night actions, but the PR(s) themselves will know what to do knowing -at least- what their specific role(s) are.

Duck, comment on this for me pls?

do I need to?

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...
:thinking intensifies:

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that post is in spirit addressed to like half the players here I'm not intending to single you out by the way

but like, yes, I think you should read the pt and draw your own conclusion since it involves two players in this game.

*blinks slowly*
you realise I've had to be coy and aware of that for ages right

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in this game in particular, that skyg didn't put a lot of effort into sorting skitter and that people should be checking themselves for half assed reads on skitter

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quack

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SKOTTER

v/la is scummy so please stop being v/la.

love,
ruru

I assume this is a shitpost

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oh wolfy

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Korina replaces Vex Vience

wolfy

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problem I got is I always scumread Alonzo for shite like this and it's such a cliche scum play

like it'd be heaps easy for him to go "I'm p sure the worst is a wolf" and ride that train with y'all

but yeah I guess we should lynch him anyway if he doesn't start playing hard

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tw is just...

I can't be bothered sorting him

ftfy

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Ohhhhhh self meta
guess Alonzo is locktown now

can you throw some instances of you using selfmeta as both town and scum to me pls?

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alright then I'm ignoring the selfmeta

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intent to actually dive Korina/Vex's ISO because there's just so much word vomit I'm trusting exactly 0 people's read on that slot

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everyone feels like town which tells me town has its pants on its head uhhhgain

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lmao I'd love compromising on scum but this gamestate is garbo

How're you feeling Creature?

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Occum's razor would put scum in {you, hws} from the a50 flip but it's stupid as shit. he was just a good kill--he was not going to let the mislynch on me go through, had fast-moving reads and was set to reevaluate after d1 so

just a generally solid kill I think

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Occum's razor would put scum in {you, hws} from the a50 flip but it's stupid as shit. he was just a good kill--he was not going to let the mislynch on me go through, had fast-moving reads and was set to reevaluate after d1 so

just a generally solid kill I think

Fair to suspect me for an a50 kill on principle
But I don’t think he was on my ass, which is generally why I’d kill him as scum
I do enjoy his company and honestly he has a bit of veteran’s curse

yeah I feel this, my gut reaction when he died was ?GEm? because it wouldn't point DIRECTLY at you but he was p far from townreading you but it kinda just feels a bit stale

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I can't remember but I had this lightning bolt style epiphany about it a while ago. lemme go check.

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like if you think the gamestate is losing, but you're too low energy to care, then you still shouldn't be scumreading me for having thought the gamestate was losing

I actually felt the exact opposite there.
for a moment things were starting to make sense but now they're wonky again. idk I'm probably overthinking stuff.

@tw

why is my progression on your slot confusing?

probably need a Fancy Post for this, we can go into it later or whatever

hws isn't here...

also the strength of my hws scumread is less than the strength of your ceejay scumread so probably we should just lynch nm

oh my bad this is actually a wrecking ball of common sense

that's personal bias and has nothing to do with winning the game

it does if someone is starting to kinda realising on a subconscious level that this isn't scum!ducky and you're twisting their arm back into lynching me.

the main reason I'm netting skitter above the null line rn is the actual parallels she's drawing between me and other games. I think she's actually thought about this. she's just wrong and a part of me is pretty sure she realises to some degree that she's wrong.

you also clearly don't know Skyg's scum meta lmao

anyway
not towncasing my pred. it's a waste of valuable meta when the outcome is predetermined to me. you'll all get over it

ruru more likely town for overbtinkjng it that far. I'm prolly overthinking her

@tw

why is my progression on your slot confusing?

probably need a Fancy Post for this, we can go into it later or whatever

fancy post when?

not before I'm lynched
I'm actually v/la over the weekend but won't qnnounce it because you fucks are mislynching me anyway

Just look for who should have known better and adjust reads accordingly lol

somewhere around here I started liking her but it's slightly intangible. I just think there's an elephant of over thought nuance that comes from town!ruru long before scum!ruru

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Why didn't you spend the time the game was pretty dead to reread V's word vomit as you call it?

basically I keep looking at it and going urrrgggghhhhhhh then remembering heaps of people heavily town reading it so figuring it's not worth my time

^ repeat

I think I need some examples of what people are actually finding nuanced in there because a lot of it just strikes me as noise

but now I've kinda committed myself to wading thru it

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actually @skitter we should jam about Vex when I have time to dive his ISO if you'd be cool w that

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people who are better at mafia than me are seeing something I'm not so odds are I just need to get into a ~zone~ wrt Korina's posting. statistically I think it's more or less guaranteed at least one good townie is heavily townreading him and I wanna say maybe A50 was as well so high chance I'm being dumb

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this is a weird thing to say given that you replaced sky ...

should I not say this or do you disagree? it was on my mind.

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1872 was very ironic--sorry if I poker faced it too much.

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I was a little confused about it early game but tbh I figured that Sky took a similar approach to me (she would have been aware you were scum in pypx/y since the beginning of this game I'm pretty sure tho I didn't double check the timeline) -- even tho I'm not 100% sure I can sort you, it's actually quite a lot easier assuming you're down then working with you + sorting once you have more content and are submerged in the spiritual flow of the game

if that makes sense
I'm loosely aware I might be spouting gibberish but eh

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even tho I'm not 100% sure I can sort you, it's actually quite a lot easier assuming you're down then working with you + sorting once you have more content and are submerged in the spiritual flow of the game

if that makes sense
I'm loosely aware I might be spouting gibberish but eh

Yeah that part doesn't make sense

Actually even the part before it.. why would you assume she'd do the same thing as you?

because she had the exact same information I had about the fact she'd just been hard pocketed by scum!skitter in an ongoing game she couldn't talk about here.

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thing is there's no value in me sorting my pred
and I didn't read this before repping in so I'm not really sure how I read Skyg w/o the role pm

so it didn't really seem instinctive to say anything until I felt like saying something if that makes sense. like it just kinda floated to the back of my mind, if I was more focused on any part of it I'm more focused on how I choose to sort you than how I choose to sort Sky

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like it would be pretty pointless for me to towncase my pred but if I have any opinions which seem conversational I'll defo pop in w them

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if being at l1 would make you more motivated that could definitely be arranged

This line was funny to me. Sounds like it's from a cheesy old mafia movie.

TW: were you reading the game at all before replacing in?

not a word of it!
I like the setup and I ofrhz is teh best so when I saw she needed a replacement I PM'd reflexively.

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I used to like replacing into townslots but I don't care so much anymore.

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I totally agree with everything you just posted which is why I produced my own content instead of focusing on my pred.

conversationally ruru picked up it was weird she wasn't more anxious around skitter30. like incidentally this is something I agree with but I also don't think it would be surprising if Skyg played this the same way I would have played it so it's kind of a moot point.


why the hell are we all talking in circles about this? I feel like I'm being read for my pred who made her intentions with this game pretty clear by replacing out. can we focus on the game or

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mind me what meta you were after again? disengaged town in general or did you specify what you were exactly looking for

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sorting me is obviously important

Skygazer's alignment is confirmed to me so irs not productive or interesting talking about her in depth

help me make content to read me by I'm bored

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for bussing meta I'd probably go like Gamma Emerald's Earthbound Curse of Gigyas mafia (tried to avoid bussing Acryon the traitor and ended up kinda forced to bus Almost50) then check A50's Sharing is Caring for the last time I bussed. that went absolutely awfully kudos to NSG calling out all of our theatre d1 so atm I'm fairly anti bus

can't think of anything else off hand but I feel like I've done it once or twice outside of this. no +ev in lolbussing an unreadable scumbuddy d1

worn out town meta I'll need to re dive, check out friemds mafia the normal game schadd_ just hosted for a classic tbh

I'll have better reads for you by EoD.
ArcAngel's Jungle Republic is an ok show of me being this way as town but I hammed it up a lot

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I'm asking about the opposite of bussing meta: games where you forced through scum agenda and got yourself lynched to set up your teammates to endgame

hasn't happened yet. only one I can think of is Stack the Deck (AHA I bussed beef there a little) with MariaR and Mathdino and Brassherald and I am full mental blank on who modded it but I wanna say HeWhoSwims

I didn't take the fall strategically to set Maria up. nor did it work out. I just tried to spew messy associatives with Wisdom and brassherald before I died.

but no I haven't been bussed to date

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the reason I'm asking is that my impression so far of your scum meta is that you generally try to endgame as scum, even when it's not optimal strategy

cooooorrect

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Brb dinner

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I started strong in friemds and people were talking to me!! then I got isolated and crumbled and mislynched

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@ofrhz

would u b cool w redacting

things that need to be redacted

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Done -ofrhz

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it's fine

<snip>

I play lots of schadd_ games lmao

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Gamma Emerald not gonna do anything?

Do you think he's paralysed by the gamestate or is he a wolf and I'm pocketed?

BTW your IVs are fantastic. are you cool w being a tyrannitar?

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I named my larvitar in pokemon go after creature lmaooo but his IVs are lit so I wanna use him for slaughter

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unless you meant the other q

I think that's p self evident

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... how are you asking about being pocketed by someone you're crossvoting?

I really don't feel him as scum and we were kinda jammin like a page ago a little this game is just dead

who am. I voting?

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Sure maybe soon my avatar will adjust to.

ooooo hold on

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Spoiler:

highest cp dude rn

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yeah I know but also
:/

ok ejji could easily be scum. quick WIM on the catch up is super easy to fake. he's lurking during the bit where the game needs a fire lit under it. scum motive is p clear there

GEm doesn't feel right lmaoo

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gg town
it was fun

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I mean welcome Rel

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what is WIM?

Wants It More
like the burning urge to win the game that radiates from some people's posts

very often confused for towniness

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How did you know I was coming

WHAT A WEIRD TYPO IN HINDSIGHT

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i'm also dubious about the gamma wagon in that the people i don't townread are voting him

ok but you're literally wrong on more than half of those reads. statistically. it's just seems weird you're avoiding players based on wagons when you're wrong on so many sub-null reads

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ruru I like that you're having fun diving my old meta for specific tells but like... repping in and bussing the fuck out of cjv who was coasting in style is so not scum!me rn. I get that I didn't single handedly push the lynch but A50 only caught on after I first raised it so I was definitely pretty instrumental in bringing that shit home.

ok rel seems to be making sense so if he's scum I'm wrapped around his finger for now
let's do this VOTE: Enigma

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Gamma Emerald not gonna do anything?

Do you think he's paralysed by the gamestate or is he a wolf and I'm pocketed?

BTW your IVs are fantastic. are you cool w being a tyrannitar?

What

unless you meant the other q

I think that's p self evident

... how are you asking about being pocketed by someone you're crossvoting?

... how are you asking about being pocketed by someone you're crossvoting?

I really don't feel him as scum and we were kinda jammin like a page ago a little this game is just dead

who am. I voting?

also genuinely want more on this.
I'm not used to townreading GE and someone needs to tell me if I'm being bad

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if there's a wolf onwagon it's Enigma>>>you>skitter
also L-1 slot sooo juicy. gonna see how ejji's hammer felt rq

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Ehh, I have stuff to post, but it's mostly unreadable cuz I haven’t edited it yet
Page 19 and have to go in a sec, so I’ll vote now

VOTE: NM
that's not actually a bad lynch. I don't really have a good grasp of cee's meta, but there isn't anything in his ISO that would make me change my mind about his slot.
From what I've seen, increased care for saying his opinions should be scum indicative for cee, but he seemed to be in a catchup-mode most of the time, so idrk if I should be even reading that...
I don't really have a strong read on him
I think I was also the only SR in his read-list and I think it's kinda funny, but idk if that's even AI for him
still, not a bad lynch imo... and his wagon still looks really pure :/

If I manage to come back today before EoD, I’ll post a catchup and if not, I guess I’ll do it d2
Cuz I really doubt I’ll get killed with that many people SRing me

this feels fine imo

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lol @ the idea I'm sheeping you onto enigma

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koooorina

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what the hell was I thinking that hammerpost was awful

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Korina whos next?

tw if you haven't already, if not, do GE

:blinks slowly:

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what the hell was I thinking that hammerpost was awful

I cant tell if ur being sarcastic or not

not sarcastic
I was clearly distractrd when I read it, it's messy

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what the hell was I thinking that hammerpost was awful

I cant tell if ur being sarcastic or not

not sarcastic
I was clearly distractrd when I read it, it's messy

can you talk about your read on the frank/ejji/irrel slot please?

Frank net wolfy
Ejji a bit better at the time but worse every time I look back at him
Rel is obviously brilliant but I'm kinda taking him with a decently sized pinch of salt rn

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VOTE: Enigma[/b]
daycop guilty tbh

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the worst you said you're not sheeping me? So why are you voting him

ctrl+f him in my iso
I've wanted his head since I arrived l m a o

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fam
if a vig exists they were roleblocked or shot the traitor last night which means there is like a 99% chance they just reshoot their n1 target

just settle down on the hurt tags, it does ~nothing except give people an opportunity to tAKE A STance without the accountability of throwing down a vote

fun fax:
- everyone should vote in their next post
- everyone other than ruru who hurt tags is scum

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and I guess I'm still not sure about Gamma. I like the fact he voted there too.

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l0l if anyone needs convincing past how phoney that read is Ill laugh

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or I'm town who realises there is no vig, or there's a town roleblocker with shit reads, and wants to steer the game away from mechanical time-wasting

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tonight, if these roles exist:
- roleblocker chooses another target
- vig shoots the same target

assuming no bodyguard shenanigans (side eyes @ skitter and a50) the vig then has a guilty if they exist. the RB also knows who the vig is lmao but ye

ez game

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tw's posting on this page is weird but I don't really think it makes him a bp goon

like he's just talking about optimal play and I do think it's optimal because bp goon is just objectively unlikely to exist compared to traitor or even roleblocker

#goodposting

also I honestly don't think a scumteam of MWNN + Skygazer + someone is bad enough to take BP goon lmao

can we take a moment to appreciate how objectively wolfy Enigma's posting here has been

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like that's two genuinely pretty smart players

MWNN freezes up as scum but that doesn't discount him from being smart and having a candid mechanics discussion in private imo

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tw do you fake townslips as scum?

I haven't yet but I've encouraged buddies to do so
I have slipped as scum before but it's 100% genuine I think (e.g. setup derps, not understanding particular mechanics)

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I might need to double check myself because I'm cheeky enough that I'd do so but I can't remember faking a townslip

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did I slip here?

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OH my only paranoia there was that they might've taken two roles + daychat or recruit to paralyse a potential goon cop but we flipped a goon so r i p that

probably a low power scumteam, also kinda inclined to clear Korina a little based on how bad his setup spec was sod1 (could be faked but it kinda felt ok)

[ofrhz]

hi ofrhz

hi c:

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:0
quack

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the bottom one!!!

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not sure you have veto powers tbf - talk me through why you're locktown on him?

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like I get your reads are obviously genuine but I'm not sure I get it : [

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alright I can't see a lolhammer happening here but out of respect for your reads

UNVOTE:

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guys why are we punishing tw for flipping scum in our reads?
Like if we flip green once or twice and we're confused then we should probably challenge our assumptions,,,
But until then anyone who's pushing tw for TMI-ing the lynch is also just punishing good town play if he's town (which RNG says he is likely to be)

Like one time tw survived till near endgame as SK by actually shooting most of the scumteam
If he's scum and wants his own team dead let's sheep him, not kill him

anyway
I'm still not totally caught up but I don't understand tw scumreads rn

IMO RNG is not a valid excuse for townreading duck.
Bussing one partner is a thing. Bussing both partners a bit more risky. CJV/NM was a doomed slot.
Not sure how duck read CJV so strongly when he was site flaking and barely had any posts here.

This is agenda-ey
anyone who disagrees is bad
@Korina @Creature thoughts on Enigma's play like right now?

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tw's posting on this page is weird but I don't really think it makes him a bp goon

like he's just talking about optimal play and I do think it's optimal because bp goon is just objectively unlikely to exist compared to traitor or even roleblocker

#goodposting

also I honestly don't think a scumteam of MWNN + Skygazer + someone is bad enough to take BP goon lmao

can we take a moment to appreciate how objectively wolfy Enigma's posting here has been

Well my line of thinking has been that scum probably took a few mods since the A50 kill was a bit awkward and could be TPR hunting ...

who reads A50 as non VT there?
when do I ever kill A50 there?
just engage w me a little here because your theory that I'm scum is super porous

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K so I've finished reading EOD1-EarlyD2 and I'm at somewhere like

{Creature, me}
{skitter30, the worst}
{BuJaber, ruru}
{Alonzo, Vex/Kor} - null
{Enigma, Gamma}
{Not yet able to form super hard scumreads but I'm trying}

Can someone make a case for why I should have a [insert your read here] on Korina? Really struggling to see much beyond like the number of posts and some early messy setup spec
Maybe I just haven't found the parts of the thread where he really TOWNED IT UP but, please show me

pedit: sure, I don't actually think he's going to double bus two days in a row, that was more of a "Don't lynch till you've BoP'd" (semi-joking) argument
It's more like I don't think he's an optimal lynch d1 when he was so clearly a big reason why someone flipped red d2
Nobody seems to be considering that tw might just have good reads - you yourself admit the slot was doomed, so why is it TMI for tw to scumread the slot?

Rel is either vomiting town or like his entire play is to pocket me here or I'm just totally inadvertently wolfsiding

rn I just feel warm and fuzzy though I think this is town

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i feel like this is a townie reaction to cj's flip

given he was the L-1 vote why are you townreading him voting a slot he was dead null on? :S This feels like a very honest explanation of bussing but it doesn't read like a townie vote when he apparently had other stronger reads he could have been pushing?

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Not_Mafia (7): the worst, ruru, skitter30,

Vex Vience

, Creature,

Enigma

,

ejjinami

LYNCH

it just kinda dawned on me that we're really bad if we lynch off wagon l m a o

viable d2 lynches bolded

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started

W A L L
O F
W I F O M
A N D
S E L F
M E T A

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I feel like the d1 lynch was mostly negotiated/decided by me/skitter/a50 at deadline and vca isn't going to reveal much more than that

for example, a50 didn't vote nm on policy but he was scumreading the slot

if a50 had townread the slot the lynch would never have happened

*points at my wagon position*
*points at A50's dying stance on NM*

faaaam you're mixing us uuuup

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Eh, I didn’t see anything in his ISO that made me really feel like hanging him.
If we’re at deadline, and we don’t have a better option, yea, sure, I’d be fine with hanging him.
Otherwise I don’t really see why lynching him is better than someone else.

My plan is to go look back at Mutant’s Jungle Republic and see how Buj’s posting style compares to this game. I think I was TRing him in that game, and if my reasoning for his TR there is the same as here, I’m willing to lynch him under the presumption he’s scum.
I also highly doubt that Buj is

that

good to the point where he can play the exact same way as town or scum.

who else
why not
who else
hurry up w meta reads if you're gonna do them
who else

ufhfdhdhdjdjfnfmkf this is shameless stalling

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I also highly doubt that Buj is that good to the point where he can play the exact same way as town or scum.

That's actually why I've been forcing myself to vary my play a little as town.

For what it's worth irrelephant seems townie atm. Better entrance than both his predecessors by miles at the very least.

I feel like tw should be easier to townread by now. I'm getting paranoid because imo his strength lies in knowing how to not appear scummy moreso than trying to look townie. That's my impression from giyga's curse. He won because people didn't really have a reason to suspect him.

I'd say my ~~secret strength~~ as scum is playing reactively to a player list sometimes, which isn't even something I always have the energy to do

taking a leaf out of Karina's book and vomiting self meta: if I'm a wolf bussing groupscum d1 and then playing a bad wolfgame would not be my finest hour

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So scum like almost definitely bussed? Which is already the conclusion to make when they shoot off wagon...
Which I guess makes my argument that tw didn't bus sound dumber
Maybe it is dumber
I still think he's a suboptimal lynch for riding the slot across two wagons and all the way to lynch

*soft sobbing*
rel i luv u

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So scum like almost definitely bussed? Which is already the conclusion to make when they shoot off wagon...

like calling a50 "off wagon" is just misunderstanding how d1 went down.

it's a p literal stance lmao
shooting offwagon = the literal vote's on the wagon are unresolved. given high bussing equity it's +ev to town from a vca pov to have some solving on that wagon

so from a vca pov that's not a misunderstanding it's blatantly true

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I'm a fairly easy read all things considered. it's just a bit of an abstract art form I guess?


pedit: when analysing vote counts on d1, yes a50 was off wagon literally. I know he only was off wagon because he loves NM. besides the point.

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except that he constantly blurts that lurking is his scum meta?
?_?

I think that's the definition of WIFOm

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You do realize that I'm Vex, and you literally just asked me for my opinion on something, right?

yes

How is it wifom-y?
Also, if you want my honest thought process TW, that was it.
Sorry, but that's my thought process on that one.

> does one thing
> blurts that scum meta is the other thing
you're either town by the fact you're not following your scum meta or you're scum playing a really easy card by lying about your scum meta but why would you bring up your scum meta in the place but then would you necessarily be honest about your own meta etc. etc. etc. etc.
there is nothing there we can reliably alignment read off

I don't like reading people via meta. I'll read people via typing style, but not how they're playing.
Typing style is much harder to manipulate IMO.
You can change how you're gonna act, but its harder to change how you're gonna say something unless you edit it to hell, which if you do that to all your posts? That means it takes so much longer to actually get out posts.

comparing posting styles across games/alignments is a form of meta read so idk what you're saying here at all?

Did you even read it?
Please be honest for the whole class.
Did you even read a single portion of that post?

yas

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like please hurry up and re-evaluate Enigma because fmpov he's the obvious lynch to hit a wolf today. if he's town he's a lategame mislynch by bad wagonomics. i don't see a reason /not/ to lynch there today.

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Hey tw
I don’t think what you’re calling WIFOM is WIFOM

INCONTHEIVABLE

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like, first of all, I'm pretty sure you've heard nsg's "self-meta is a towntell" lecture?

I don't think so and if I have I forgotted it

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so you think I'm scum because my D1 scumread was good but agree the associatives are awful s i g h

look if everyone agrees Korina is Just Town then I'm probably being Bad and Wrong I just don't feel it myself and nothing he's posting is making me more inclined to townread him

Enigma is the correct lynch today sorry

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maybe tw should also be lynched in lylo if we don't have a 2nd scumflip

if anyone agrees w this sentiment I humbly agree that I am lynched BEFORE LyLo on a policy basis because if I'm a game losing mislynch again I'll be pissed as

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i'm thinking this too and it's making me a little unsure about how to read him

he feels the towniest i've ever played with him so i'm not sure what to do with that especially since he apparently tries very hard and since he replaced my biggest scumread

this has putter into words exactly my feels rn

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not his actual vote but more like that he was admitting about beign apathetic about voting there and that he wasn't really expecting him to flip red; i feel like scum would try to make more of a production about their bussing vote and try to take more cred for it

I read it as pretty easily a level 2 wolf post (i.e. like anyone would be looking for scum to be trying to secure towncred via a bussing post so why not bus in a nonchalant way?

but eh fair call
the fact he's so annoyed by my read is tickling the back of my brain too

pedit: sure, I understand that.

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I'm still soulreading town!Gamma uegh help
am I wrong on.... Alonzo?

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I'm not totally sure abt Buj he feels like.. uncareful

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but I'm defs wrong abt someone

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Do you think I'm a wolf here?
did you think my push on cjv d1 was actually SvS?
assume I'm starting to think you're town if that's ok, I'm keen to see where your head's at.

pedit: yeah I TPR read GE d1. he had that non wolfy survivalistic vibe to me. I thought I might be wrong on that earlier d2 when he got a lot wolfier but I'm actually just thinking I was wrong and he's Just Town

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I don't feel all that good about my reads rn either. it's kinda bumming me out and I'm in a position of "who am I most/least wrong about" rather than "who do I expressly scumread" zzz

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VOTE: Gamma
is this a wolf? ¯\(°_o)/¯
am I more likely wrong on Gamma than anyone else I'm TRing? d=(´▽｀)=b
do we need this phase to end? ＼（○＾ω＾○）／

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Inno Korina.
I felt dumb after the hammer but also wanted to see the night thru. sorry for wolfsiding a little.

VOTE: Enigma

[the worst]

yeee that was a wolfsided hammer. I had my raisins.

[the worst]

quack

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duckling what are your thoughts on life, the universe, and everything?

life is long (but fun mostly)... the universe is infinite, and skitter30's avatar is but a mere speck in the bigger picture. as for everything, I couldn't pretend to understand that. I'm but a duck and there's so much stoof out there. I feel a bit deflated and profound atm. hoping my muse returns.

where do u think we should be lynching today?

Enigma.

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i was expecting pithy but profound and ponderous works too

#greatposting

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VOTE: ofrhz

I heard her move during the night.

I think that was a fart
would you mind voting seriously?

[the worst]

VOTE: the worst

Better.

[the worst]

don't lynch the worst.

[the worst]

???

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VOTE: BuJaber
forgot he was here
dats not a gud sign

[the worst]

agdkgshdgsh

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hey ruru wanna know a secret

Spoiler:

you're tunnelled!!!!

[the worst]

why would a traitor flip clear me??

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this is way outside the realms of being like a good read anymore I don't even think you think I'm scum??

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Why are you so sure ruru's town?

believe me I haven't given the read out easily

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I'm not arguing against the read I want to know your reasons if you please.

Because from my pov he's been given a case for you being scum but not really pushing it and like I expect you to be suspicious of him for that.

Why should I be suspicious of that?
also sorry to be evasive but ctrl+f of ruru in my iso will probably give a fair bit.

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We're not lynching me today, sorry. no lynch or choose someone else.

Rel/ruru what are your reads on each other rn?

[the worst]

also prefer massclaim d3.

[the worst]

D4 rather.

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Rel/ruru what are your reads on each other rn?

[the worst]

I don't think massclaim + no lynch works kinda defeats the purpose so do you want to lynch today?

yus

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Rel/ruru what are your reads on each other rn?

this was answered on like the last page unless you're asking for how I'm reading people post-massclaim discussion in which case I'm not answering yet

that's like
super obviously why i'm re-asking at this point

answer please. we're not no-lynching and we're not massclaiming today.

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I keep swinging back to townlonzo as well.

I'm like officially 90% sure I'm wrong on someone because if it's just like Enigma/Bujaber....idk

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doesn't feel right

I think I know where I'm wrong, just stalling for a bit.

[the worst]

VOTE: Enigma

[the worst]

ruru you've either given up on appearing competent or you have something you're not saying. fess up.

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Rel/ruru what are your reads on each other rn?

this was answered on like the last page unless you're asking for how I'm reading people post-massclaim discussion in which case I'm not answering yet

that's like
super obviously why i'm re-asking at this point

answer please. we're not no-lynching and we're not massclaiming today.

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I honestly don't know how to coexist with you rn ruru
if you're town let's jam post-game bc you're tunnelled beyond the calibre of player you are.

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wait.. TW uses whole sentences on another profile.../???!!!

when mood suit me

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ruru you've either given up on appearing competent or you have something you're not saying. fess up.

NSG is being surprisingly incompetent from my pov

I don't even know what this post is meant to say. flesh it out for me over a couple of sentences.

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you have no read on me. you're covering your ears and yelling that I'm a wolf. stop being ridiculous, seriously.

do you want to talk about why my 2412 never comes from scum me here or do you want to explain why it comes from scum me here. stop using blanket scumtells or like... tells that work on.... another player? merged with weasel words?

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here's a fun self meta question by retaliation.

why does town you refuse to jam with me and blindly tunnel me for this long? I'm gonna be quite candid, I think there are transparent signs that you do not believe that I'm scum anymore literally in the thread. does this come from town you before scum you?

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I am not used to seeing the quality of your posting and reads GO DOWN in later day phases. in my experience you've been like a beacon of lucidity; you're meant to make sense when other people don't. (yes, from both scumming against you and sky's jester game to an extent)

You've dropped back to tunnelling and shitposting. You can't keep a stable vote. When asked to explain your reads you squirm.

What's up with you here?

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VOTE COUNT 1.28

Almost50 (0):

HeWhoSwims (1):

Almost50

the worst (1):

Not_Mafia

ruru (0):

BuJaber (0):

Not_Mafia (7):

the worst, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience, Creature, Enigma, ejjinami

LYNCH

Enigma (0):

ejjinami (0):

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (2):

HeWhoSwims, BuJaber

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (1):

Gamma Emerald

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-09-14 16:30:00)

Other

:
- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- HeWhoSwims still needs to be replaced

btw never ever ever ever lynch off this wagon d3

[the worst]

that much shld be obvious

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if rel skitter and korina are all town I can probably solve this. I don't trust korina because I can't think the way he thinks which always leaves me like "this is a wolf right" and after noir I find it really hard to back down from this. so I'm trusting an holistic solve on this; if anyone else thinks they're being Bad and Wrong wrt reading Korina/Vex please lmk and we can resort him together because I can't be bothered solo.

skitter30 I actually think is town. she's exhibited some anti-scum!skitter tendencies which I'm gonna cling to for my own sanity. I'll reassess this later but deal w it

rel i could easily be wrong on so.... wiser heads appreciated. I'll try and sort his preds rather than sorting him for himself but in a vacuum I think he's Just Town

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also town on Alonzo for fairly intangible reasons but I feel like I have a tendency to get lazy and start scumreading his posting style when I'm deflated as town

if those assumptions are right there's 2 wolves in {ruru, buj, enigma} which I don't

think

is right but all the same I'll go try and a solve in these curly brackets and see how the cards fall.

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It's not a role fishing question. it's an alignment read.

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Tbh I'm exhausted trying to soft TPR too hard and eat a nightkill so you lazy fuckers don't have to sort me so I'll go try and solve this the good old fashioned way :c

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Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.

yeah i agree overall

Even considering that he’s an alt?

just quickly

anyone who doesn't say enigma is the #1 wolf by end of page 2 is reading the wrong thread

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Answer the important questions ruru. stop fluffing.

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you have no read on me. you're covering your ears and yelling that I'm a wolf. stop being ridiculous, seriously.

do you want to talk about why my 2412 never comes from scum me here or do you want to explain why it comes from scum me here. stop using blanket scumtells or like... tells that work on.... another player? merged with weasel words?

I am not used to seeing the quality of your posting and reads GO DOWN in later day phases. in my experience you've been like a beacon of lucidity; you're meant to make sense when other people don't. (yes, from both scumming against you and sky's jester game to an extent)

You've dropped back to tunnelling and shitposting. You can't keep a stable vote. When asked to explain your reads you squirm.

What's up with you here?

here's a fun self meta question by retaliation.

why does town you refuse to jam with me and blindly tunnel me for this long? I'm gonna be quite candid, I think there are transparent signs that you do not believe that I'm scum anymore literally in the thread. does this come from town you before scum you?

the reason I'm not telling you my read on irrel right now is that I think it could be a rolefishing question

my response to him scumreading you in response to your scummy soft claim is probably more dependent on whether I believe irrel is a pr than anything else

It's not a role fishing question. it's an alignment read.

any of this............?

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like i'd like to sort you around you obnoxiously deathtunnelling me so helping w that would be wild
i'd like to sort Rel and your current read on him is very important so helping w that would be wild

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i am very angery with myself for survivalistically hammering gamma right now
day two of this game was really fucking stupid. enigma is a wolf.

i'm sorry but opening the game with "intent to shitpost and grab pagetops" is not towny. it's not tonally towny, it's not laissez-faire, it's not carefree, it's an excuse to prodge. it is dead null at most.

first game related comment I can see (barring setup spec bc he said nothing noteworthy during it) is:

Hey guys I'm traitor no shoot pls

VOTE: Almost50

I would be so upset if later this we find out that you weren't joking with this lol

traitor fishing, shortly followed by

Suppose you're a scum at L1 and you have to decide what to claim, you have information that town will probably believe n+1 PRs existing, so you claim PR

a response to the player who he's traitor fishing, followed by

If scum really claimed pr every time then town could just confirm themselves by claiming vt

Hypothetically yes, but unfortunately town has a tendency to lynch VTs claims and let TPRs get off...
Another thing is that there is very little defence once a TPR is outed in this set up. No docs, watchers, JKs, etc. Bodyguard is less than ideal - i.e. very little to discourage scum NKing TPRs if they CC.

Why wouldn't scum just fake claim regardless of our discussion, claiming VT doesn't really help them out at L-1 anyways so at least could just take their chances with a CC bait or potentially get away with it?

a response to the player who he's traitor fishing, followed by

i like ruru's entrance

Explain?

also ....
pedit: sigh

asking someone to explain their read on the player who he's traitor fishing.
like this is literally either "shitposting w ruru bc ruru is funny" or it's a wolf who smells a traitor and is excited.

someone else please tell me if you feel another motivation to his game entrance here. i know it's page 4 but like game mindsets have a tendency to spew a lot about where a person's at entering the thread so if someone wants to work thru what's going on here without being like "but the woooorst it's only page foooour" i'd be super happy ♥♥

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derped on quotes, still very very readable

sry fam

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im assuming that creature just gets obvtowned early on?

If he steals ma page tops, ima lynch him

pretty funny my pred gets flak for this but Engima gets away with it
whatever i'm just being salty. other important part of his entrance is incoming:

Actually thanks vex that’s quite useful. I was too lazy to look myself, partly because of what you mentioned about mods not flipping on post 0.

What’s interesting is that it’s 15 games, so from glance of numbers the average no of mods per game is quite low.

thanks to vex during setup spec for providing hard figures; not a lot to read into but i'm tryna follow his mindset as below so worth throwing in

Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.

yeah i agree overall

Even considering that he’s an alt?

there's...not really a reason to shade the fact Vex exists here fmpov?
like the fact he's an alt doesn't really inform my read of vex come p4. the only thing it does for me (knowing he's korina) is suggests i'm prolly gonna reach a net wolfread because i don't know how to get into his head.

the shade throw is wonky. but let's be positive and treat it as a #staywoke moment.

responses incoming

Spoiler:

i don't know who he's an alt of, but i think his mindset has been pro-town for this stage of the game

y would me being an alt change people tring me?

It’s likely that you might have experience with such setups. I’m pretty meh towards early reads anyways

also question
how would my experience (or lack there of) change anything about tring me?

Anyways I got my page tops from ofrhz and I’m satisfied so I better stop refreshing this thread continuously

yee it kinda goes without saying something is missing from enigma's presence in this conversation
like...any intent to sort whatsoever

also enigma are u just generally against alts?
im getting that feeling from u

Nah doesn't bother me so much, meta only takes you so far when scumhunting

I think it's like actively antitown because it informs scum's decision of what to claim

Whilst I don't think its super productive, agree with Vex its fine to boot us out of RVS. I wouldn't say its helping scum unless people are literally softclaiming their TPRs, in which case helping scum CC is the least of our worries...

is fine talking w Vex basically 100% NAI interaction with no intent of sorting, and then

pageget

VOTE: Vex

i'm not really vibing that town!igma added the "what if he's an alt!" shade into the Vex conversation and then lolvotes him about 50 posts later. especially when he shows like no active interest in sorting the slot and voteparks this for like a week (ending below)

1. Don't CC any fake claims
2. Vote for who you want to (hypo) vig with hurt tags
3. Hypo cop results tomorrow

UNVOTE:
Waiting a bit

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wrt enigma's claim not to care about early reads all that much...okkkkkk

my pypx/y (town!igma), closer to this game but still owe it a decent analytical read (it's hard when modding :C)

the lab 3 (town!igma), literally worlds apart from what we're seeing here in terms of effort presence energy sorting etc. and that's even with allowing for the fact enigma is a stronger lategame player

revenge of the vengeful (town!igma) only quickly glanced but appears closer to the lab 3 energy-wise--still literally dozens of times more engaged than he is here

^^^ i need to dive this harder to give credence to his self-assessment of not being big on early reads
but rn it reads more like someone who randed wolf and didn't feel like getting the game going


more to follow i need to go work for a bit. someone talk to me about this??


pedit: fucking hell ruru read the post. respond with more than a sentence with a throwaway line.
how is the mindset there towny?

[the worst]

rvsing for a week is not scum-indicative for enigma and you know that

actually i think it's non-town indicative
b o o m.

[the worst]

anyway if you disagree just talk to me. if you think there's strong meta against my case point me to it and work thru it with me. if you think i'm just approaching this wrong, tell me why i'm just approaching this wrong.

degrading my attempts to get into enigma's head with "rvsing for a week is not scum-indicative for enigma and you know that" is bullshit. hear me out.

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Duck - Dunno sky was scummy, he might be scum (and he is good at playing scum so I can't figure him yet). Though he is good company so don't mind hanging around with him a few more days though wouldn't really want to see him in lylo (in this current gamestate)

where did you get this idea from Engima?

pedit: ruru read my posts.

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i really need to get back to work but i'm excitededed
ugghgh i wish i had more timeeeee but someone other than ruru talk to me bc she's a wolf or officially being bad on purpose

Spoiler: mentions of cj incoming

I remember reading somewhere that A50 complaining about how he is a prime N1 target as both scum and town, kinda see why now. I've played with A50 a few times, but only with him as scum. He feels a bit different here though ... maybe in the game solving? Though the hypo scum me would do this/that including mod guessing isn't helping his case since there are too many variables for a mechanic play D1. As I mentioned previously, I'm not a huge fan of the V/LA push on MWNN considering it is a site-wide absence rather than this game only, but now that CJ is in the slot and should hopefully be more active (and I've played with CJ before and know his game a bit better) I'm leaning towards overlooking this for D1, though the associative will be interesting late game with more flips. For me, he is kinda a player that is night action bait and if he is alive in LYLO without hard clears you start asking some serious questions.

lawl fine in isolation but not strong either way

do you know why tw is scumreading you?

Uh meta I guess? He never directly read me like this before.

CJ, I know you have played with tw before in ruru's open 722 as scum. Are there any other games where tw plays, where you have been scum? Interested to try to see where tw is coming from (as I only know town CJ).

ruru this was your game ... do you understand where tw is coming from?

coachy, trying to steer wagon off CJ w ruru?

do you know why tw is scumreading you?

Uh meta I guess? He never directly read me like this before.

CJ, I know you have played with tw before in ruru's open 722 as scum. Are there any other games where tw plays, where you have been scum? Interested to try to see where tw is coming from (as I only know town CJ).

ruru this was your game ... do you understand where tw is coming from?

Sorry I meant 733 here.

my creds with cjv incoming

mini normal 2021 - scum!tw & VT!cjv. he was the d1 mislynch
newbie 1878 - I was scum and a late rep in, witnessed d1 cjv lynch as town tracker
open 733 we were s/s with Ircher and had a perfect win and it was very, very funny
open 725 I was town seer cjv was werewolf, I caught his buddy n1 he survived and won
open 720 I was detective killed n1 cjv was VT lynched d2 (we don't talk about open 720)
Newbie 1870 I was vt and endgamed, cjv town tracker killed n1
newbie 1866 cjv was VT lynched d1, I survived and won as VT
Newbie 1882 I read, cjv was town mislynched
Open 730 I spectated, cjv was town RB and survived and won
Newbie 1864 I spectated, cjv was VT and survived and won

So your meta read is based mainly on 733 and 725 then? Before I read them, are you scum reading CJ or not town reading CJ?

not-town-reading
slightly scumread his pred

Well I've played a few town with CJ so I'll look over them a bit (probs tomorrow).
How did you manage to read MWNN as scum with 3 contentless V/LA posts??

The speed at which the CJ wagon formed is a bit off putting .. the VCA will be interesting if/when he flips

CJ and NWMM are so contentless I can barely make a read, and I don't even know if CJ has read the whole thread yet ...
Reading Open 733 where CJ was scum (with tw), CJ actually (pretends) to scumhunt a bit, actively pushes mislynches, and interacts with the gamestate. Open 725 is a bit of a mess to read, but CJ feels also a bit more actively driving lynches (and he was bussing his partner AP).

Maybe part of why I'm hesitant, in addition to CJ simply having zero content, is a lack of CJ voting on someone so far and advancing the game state. I've also mislynched CJ in other games, partly because he was lurky and didn't get a chance to defend himself. But I've also seen town CJ defend himself as the lynch target when he was more active.

So meta wise I don't quite see the picture on CJ.

:THINKING HARD:

Tbh my preference is still frank as he has yet to satisfactory alleviate the scum concerns on him.
Would not be opposed to CJ vig shot, maybe because I'm not convinced about his alignment (and maybe there is/isn't a vig) but also because I'm kinda interested to know how CJ flips just to figure out the deal with wagon dynamics lol.

Need to read Gamma properly.

Would like to see more from Bujaber and HWS as not sure about their slots.

:THHHHIIIIINNNNNNKKKKIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNG:

can we prod BJ

His vote on A50 is useless and I want to see where he puts it and why by EOD

:brain explodes:

Lynch/vig pool: {GE, CJ, Frank}

no vote.

Oh thats useful thanks. Its right for me, time to do this
HURT: CJ
I hope we have a vig after all of this

steering wagon off CJ & vig onto him

I mean I don't think it is possible to get a lynch on duckling happening in <48 hours. I'm pretty sold that I want to see Frank and/or CJ flip at this stage and it would take a bit of convincing to move enough people onto counter wagons before EOD

still no vote, later votes BUJABER!??!

Then who is the alternative for the day? CJ?? Because CJ is also due to be replaced.
That being said, I'm quite over D1 and am becoming somewhat apathetic to who is lynched today (still prefer frank) and rather just want to see a lynch before the deadline.

steers wagon off CJ, then votes with Buj to wagon uppppppppppppppp

VOTE COUNT 1.22

Almost50 (1):

ejjinami

HeWhoSwims (0):

the worst (1):

Creature

ruru (0):

BuJaber (2):

ruru, Enigma

ceejayvinoya (1):

the worst

Enigma (0):

ejjinami (3):

skitter30, Almost50, Vex Vience

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (1):

HeWhoSwims

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (3):

ceejayvinoya, BuJaber, Gamma Emerald

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Deadline paused until ceejayvinoya is replaced

Other

:
- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- skitter30 also V/LA Sunday night - Tuesday night (9/11)

:thinking with small scraps of explodinated brain which still cling to skull:

[the worst]

someone other than ruru talk to me bc she's a wolf or officially being bad on purpose

this. come at me

[the worst]

@ruru I don't do meta cases. read for yourself and see if you see what I see. if you don't I'm open to being talked out of it but I think this speaks for itself.

also note you're attacking the structure of the exception I take w Enigma and STILL NOT ENGAGING WITH ME which is super frustrating

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firstly sorry what does ISP mean?

and bc this game is slowly floating into a really boring gamestate and we'll end up compromise lynching again. I went back to d1 to see if I could find inspiration and firm up some townreads (FTR I feel better about skitter korina and also HWS' slot/Alonzo) and also the last time I put in Gud Effort this game we got a red flip so I think I'm actually potentially able to solve this

I don't recall anyone else treating cjv like a partner on d1? but then again I wasn't too in tune to the associatives outside the fact cjv reacted to me like a caught wolf reacts to being called out.


why did you ask why I felt a sudden need to all in push him?

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got off-site completed apathetic towngame btw if you want it but I think being literally mislynched in friemds is probably more valuable. it's also still kinda dubious what you were expecting to get out if that except like "hey look I have fluctuating levels of interest in games as both alignments" but ye

pedit: what part of this feels like I don't believe it? you're ignoring the rest of my case outside of insufficient participation!!!!

[the worst]

ugh I hope you're just a wolf so I don't have to get tilted post-game.

[the worst]

*points at the last 5 pages*
I'm resetting p hard

what made me decide not to be paranoid about skitter?
what made me decide to accept that Korina is probably Just Town?
what filled me with the urge to not be wrong abt Alonzo and Bujaber?

I WANT TO WIN!

[the worst]

like why are you asking the questions you're asking and approaching me the way you're approaching me rn? most people would see this calibre of meltdown from me and attempt to work w it or something surely?? you're just like "na all fake ur a woofer" and it's not real. not even slightly.

being like ~as WIM as I am right now in jjh's game got me nightkilled in spite of having shit reads (mind I was also hardcleared by a flipped TPR).

[the worst]

that doesn't really answer the question

and I've been calling you scum all game so it can't be that

huh? what are you looking for here?

[the worst]

pretty sure I wasn't called out on it lmao

[the worst]

i guess why i townread it is that i just *don't* see any sort of agenda to his early posting

and like none of the things you're pulling out really feel scummy to me?

maybe I'm just reading an absolute lack of towniness in them then? something is absolutely not right--lack of intent to solve + cogdissy vibes + basically prodging doesn't really inspire my townread or town POE read due to lack of agenda :/

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I think I'm coming around to a lynchpool of literally {Enigma>ruru} and I like... wouldn't be shocked if that's the scumteam.....

[the worst]

really? why not?

[the worst]

actually gonna try this on for size
VOTE: ruru
she is f a k e rn

[the worst]

you don't see even the potential for a s/s agenda in ruru's recent posting?

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like why are you asking the questions you're asking and approaching me the way you're approaching me rn? most people would see this calibre of meltdown from me and attempt to work w it or something surely?? you're just like "na all fake ur a woofer" and it's not real. not even slightly.

being like ~as WIM as I am right now in jjh's game got me nightkilled in spite of having shit reads (mind I was also hardcleared by a flipped TPR).

because I think you're fully capable of faking wim/frustration/etc. as scum

to quote an example from the game you asked me to replace into:

like the grand sum of his contribution to this game has been replacing into a sketchy slot which Krazy put a heap of effort into tidying up, then charging in and telling people off for suspecting you of being scum fakeclaiming cop, push for a lynch on the actual TPR, suggest I'm scum for really fucking obviously play style related issues, still push me AFTER its become insanely clear he has no idea how I play this role (we can talk post-game if you still have issues with how I've played) and then like.... when he comes under pressure he squirms and stalls for time until Mumble who's probably his third buddy comes back

am I missing some fucking radiant townplay here or is this just dude just bleeding scum with his every single post?

the ONLY thing I can see myself being wrong on here is that he could be pocketing you (and earlier interactions do swing that way like to an extent) but meme is never town.

I've never felt this isolated in a game I have a literal townblock in

this type of posting is just not going to get me to townread you

I don't feel like you were even trying that hard in that game either (compared to say, 733, where you were the highest poster as scum)

is this a real take? my posting this game is much closer to the border of my scumrange than my posting in that normal.

tonally I was jank in your open, I just shoved my agenda and pocketed strategically

what is your point? I play to win as both alignments and sometimes fake emotions as scum?

slowclap gif here

mind blowing. truly.

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fancy post when?

not before I'm lynched
I'm actually v/la over the weekend but won't qnnounce it because you fucks are mislynching me anyway

Just look for who should have known better and adjust reads accordingly lol

also, speaking of the a50 gambit:

when you soft vt on d1 here it makes me think your d3 pr soft was scum-motivated rather than nk-drawing-motivated, and you just took it back when you were called out on it

I don't default scumread a50 gambits but I find it kinda scummy in this context

....why? what? huh

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someone please swing by here and say they actually think ruru is approaching this from a town point of view and trying to sort me and not stubbornly steering a lynch. please please please please please

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you/Enigma is SvS in an abstract parallel universe yes. rn I think you're just town though.

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which is a read you've been arrogantly tunnelling like a Good Townie all game instead of stopping and trying to engage with me and sort me

Nice.

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like, you keep doing things that I think are either scummy in general or by your meta or that like specifically remind me of games where you were scum and not of games where you were town

I left you alone on d1 when you specifically said the way I was interacting with you was making it hard for you to play the game and you didn't get any townier after that

I kind of just want to lynch you

> thought I was mislynchable
> focused elsewhere
> resuming pushing me

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you've had 0 sorting effort towards me all fucking game and now you want people to think you're town because you're tunnelled on a mislynch.

I'm literally fine with being lynched if you're next lol.

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if you're town you should literally be embarrassed by how badly you're misrepresenting players who you allege are better than you, and who you pretend to learn from. you have no semblance of an ability to read me and have shown no interest in attempting original thought while doing so, and yet the meta you sheep is cold and badly applied.

I don't think you're bad at mafia. I think you're a wolf. if you're not please go and think on it and we can try this again later.

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ironically I haven't felt this disgusted by being misrepresented by a player since Noir. and he admitted post-game that he was hamming it the fuck up to steer night kills off me.

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(actually gonna take a break now bc tilt is high--sorry to people who have to read thru this)

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whatever I'm done. if hunting through my bleeding heart for things you can twist to look like cogdis is all you're interested in I'm out af.

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well done swinging the game around town <3


also: insert massive context-free skitter30 appreciation moment here which i've been holding off on due to this game being ongoing
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

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you were great btw Buj. I really enjoyed your scumgame.

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that thing they say about NKA not working, bizarrely, swings both ways. it's pretty rare TPRs are all that easy to predict.

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Were there quality memes in your pt?