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Post Post #2533 (isolation #0) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:19 am

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hey everyone!
Thanks for the welcome, skitter.
I am absolutely not reading 100+ pages.

Things to do:
-figure out why tw voted ruru
-do some ISOs
-prioritize sorting alonzo as he's the only person I know in the 7 other people
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Post Post #2534 (isolation #1) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:20 am

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Also, can I get a summary of what's happened so far? That would be great.
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Post Post #2551 (isolation #2) » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:13 am

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I combed through a few ISOs and recalled thinking alonzo seems town, but that's all I got so far. So I'm just going to go on the posts starting from where I replaced in.
In post 2536, ruru wrote:also hi performer I've tunneled your slot for like 100 pages but now I think you're town.

I'll summarize in a bit if nobody else wants to

I guess I need to re-re-evaluate enigma too
Yes the summary would be great. I don't follow why you tunneled tw for 100 pgs and and think he's town, while he thinks you're scum.
In post 2541, BuJaber wrote:Ruru - Repout NAI. Can't say more

As long as we agree to massclaim + lynch.

Though I'm still in favor of no lynch + no massclaim just for tonight
why no lynch ? My predecessor wanted mass claim for d4 ?
In post 2542, Alonzo wrote:RR/TW is the scum team

Change my mind.
ruru and tw? So...ruru tunneled tw for 100 pgs, tw voted ruru....and you're saying they're scum? Why?
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Post Post #2554 (isolation #3) » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:12 pm

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Enigma I'll get your posts tomorrow or Monday at latest. Will be busy the rest of today. Thanks for the summary btw.
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Post Post #2613 (isolation #4) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:52 am

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pgs 102-103 make me tr enigma. The summary and reads provided, also help my read. But why was tw tunneling you?

Why ruru, do you sr enigma? Thanks for also providing a summary.
And you mentioned skiitter inno on you? As in...she claimed investigative, checked you, and said you were clear? Need to be sure what you're saying - if so, then you should be town.

town block so far: enigma.
reevaluating alonzo since he didn't go into why he has me & ruru as scum.

regarding skitter's question about my meta with alonzo - I played 2 games where he was town. He did alright. One of those newbie games I was a scum IC, they were lucky with a quick hammer type of player in their town ranks, and my partner and his replace in didn't do too well....anyway, I'm probably not that reliable in reading alonzo. His playstyle isn't exactly easy to read, and I would need to see more from him than many of his bare posts. I get that he has a family and probably phone posts a lot, but bare posting constantly is scummy.
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Post Post #2615 (isolation #5) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:11 am

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In post 2582, Irrelephant11 wrote:@skitter I actually agree about partner-reading, so my bad
It just so happens that potential-traitor-Tw really hinted that he was Buj’s partner, and he also followed BuJ’s in-thread advice
Huh? Tw hinted that he was bujaber's partner??
This is simply suspect as I have a town role from the moderator.
In post 2591, BuJaber wrote:I'd much rather have PRs living one more night so I'm strongly favoring no massclaim no lynch
yes I am of this thought as well, in this situation.
adding bujaber to town block.
sadly, the claiming has started already.
I really don't think no lynch is a good way to go. Have yet to see a good reason so I can't agree with no lynch.
In post 2592, ruru wrote:just claim please.

I vote bujaber > irrel > enigma > alonzo > korina > skitter
buj's previous post & this post of ruru's , makes me more suspicious of ruru.
I still think it's fishy that ruru tunneled tw for 100 pgs and and thinks tw is town, while tw thought ruru wasn't.
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Post Post #2616 (isolation #6) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:11 am

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Buj - if we have majority do a no lynch, what if scum target a pr, then we'll be back to square 1. I like that he suggested I read at least the earlier part of d3, which I should get to...ugh...this is partly why I wanted to replace in with a hydra because I am somewhat time crunched, and the hydra would help a more in this situation.

continued fos: Alonzo for naked claiming ruru & I as scum team.
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Post Post #2619 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:24 am

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I don't get the feeling that korina is scum rn.
He had alonzo, GE, and tw as scum at one point in his ISO.
I want to see his updated reads instead of the recent "I'll catch up" posts.

irrelephant so just to be clear, you think me & buj are partners?
@skitter Alonzo is suspicious, yes. Why would you ask if there is a traitor? It's shown in the setup on pg 1 , iirc.
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Post Post #2621 (isolation #8) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:29 am

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they only recruit a traitor if they choose something with the mod. They can recruit them to share factional nk iirc.

There is absolutely a traitor if I am understanding this setup correctly.
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Post Post #2623 (isolation #9) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:41 am

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Ok. Thoughts on alonzo?
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Post Post #2625 (isolation #10) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:02 am

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Wait a minute. Buj why do you scumread alonzo?
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Post Post #2626 (isolation #11) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:11 am

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In post 264, Almost50 wrote:
In post 260, Vex Vience wrote:explain how u got there plz
What's to explain, my friend? I said I TR everyone with the exception of Antihero/ManWithNoName/FrankJaeger/Gamma Emerald. Given we have 3 scums over all it follows each of my suspects is 75% likely to flip scum. 3 out of these 4 are the scum team IMHO.
I am liking a50's reads as he was right about MWNM/NM/ceejay, as well as the read on my predecessor.
He put up that antihero/bujab & frank/irrelephant could be the scum team. If that's true though - then irrelephant is voting bujaber in a bussing situation, rn. Interesting.
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Post Post #2639 (isolation #12) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:11 pm

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Post Post #2642 (isolation #13) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:24 pm

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In post 2631, Alonzo wrote:
In post 1749, ruru wrote:VOTE: Alonzo
In post 1763, ruru wrote:okay, so

the worst is not happening because skitter is waffling

let's try this

anyone not naked voting alonzo with me can be scum with alonzo.
In post 1766, ruru wrote:I have solved the game

three scums in {alonzo, gamma, bujaber}
In post 1773, ruru wrote:Just vote alonzo
ruru d2
Thanks for elaborating on ruru. I am understanding better, of why tw voted ruru . This also changes me read on alonzo.
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Post Post #2643 (isolation #14) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:24 pm

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pedit: my read*

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Post Post #2646 (isolation #15) » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:41 pm

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ok what is all this usage of hypo mean...does it stand for hypothetical?
and who is phantismo?
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Post Post #2654 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:49 am

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I really want to see why you dislike me & skitter, irrelephant. If it's regarding my predec, nothing i can do about that though.
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Post Post #2656 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:53 am

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in terms of "disliking my catchup," if it's just about me asking questions about things i don't get, it's far better than being secretly confused. So, your call out of that was bizarre.
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Post Post #2658 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:21 am

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ftr, I don't like bujaber, ruru, and am getting increasingly wary of korina .

you said you had me tr, ruru & engima sr. why?
what are your OTHER reads too, and why?
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Post Post #2659 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:23 am

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is anyone townreading korina/vex? If so , why.
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Post Post #2676 (isolation #20) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:00 am

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Ok some things:
alonzo why did you choose a50 & enigma to block? especially a50 of all people?

skitter what do you mean blocking a50 matches with d2 big scumread?

I see what irrel & skitter meant now. Vex's 600s look really good . Combined with his d3 perpetual catchup and other posts though, I would have to null him.

where has ruru vanished to? I feel like she hasn't appeared in awhile.

irrel I can go bujaber or ruru as well but I want to see what skitter & ruru say as they're the last ones. I need to reread my ISO for what I said about enigma.
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Post Post #2677 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:01 am

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Ok some things:
alonzo why did you choose a50 & enigma to block? especially a50 of all people?

skitter what do you mean blocking a50 matches with d2 big scumread?

I see what irrel & skitter meant now. Vex's 600s look really good . Combined with his d3 perpetual catchup and other posts though, I would have to null him.

irrel I can go bujaber or ruru , but I also want to see what skitter & ruru say as they're the last ones. I need to reread my ISO for what I said about enigma.
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Post Post #2678 (isolation #22) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:05 am

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alonzo can you recall of those left alive other than my slot, who pushed you for what reasons?
I saw in your ISO that it seemed like people voted you at various points.

Reason for asking is for wagon analysis and poe.
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Post Post #2681 (isolation #23) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:26 am

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VOTE: enigma

So I was trying to find in my ISO and enigma's after I replaced in, why tw tunneled him after I questioned him on that. No answer from him.

Now that we have alonzo's claim, nm's flip, another review of enigma's ISO - quite suspicious.

He had irrel/buj/alonzo as his sr STILL, on d3 and suddenly had me tr somehow.
Though in his ISO posts and , he was against tw.
His , , , , had me, alonzo - claimed town rb, eji, buj, GE (green flip) as his sr but he didn’t have nm slot as sr.
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Post Post #2682 (isolation #24) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:33 am

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further explanation - basically he voted a tpr - alonzo, my slot (green), GE (flipped green), didn't have nm (red flip) as scumread from what I skimmed through. That's condemning .

This makes me really wonder about his ISO pattern - if this means irrel/eji & buj/antihero are actually town then, because right now I have buj as an sr. But I'm not super fond of associative hunting as Alonzo knows from that 1 newbie game...so it should be shelved for another day I guess.
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In post 2680, Alonzo wrote:ruru got it into her head to randomly vote me, but skitters reasons were non existant.

If I had to bet I'd say Scum!Skitter has been hiding in the wake of Town!rurus chaotic style. Skitter fence sits on alot of points here, here Iso is riddled with 'this was kinda meh' That was kinda meh' posts that I'm not sure I see from townSkitter in such frequency
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Post Post #2683 (isolation #25) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:46 am

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skitter's ISO is the kind of ISO that I sort of use when I'm scum - one that tries to not draw too much attention or conflict.

really don't like her about how she thought the irrel slot was partnering nm, despite irrel slot voting nm.
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Post Post #2684 (isolation #26) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:07 pm

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If I understand correctly - Buj why do you have sr on irrelephant, and why do you tr skitter - she has you & irrelephant as scum.

irrelephant you have skitter as tr and she has you & buj as scum though. Interesting.
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Post Post #2685 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:08 pm

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In post 2679, Alonzo wrote:A50 was policy I explained at the start of day 2.

When I did my first readthrough I was thinking that there was probably a scum in enigma/Gamma, and nothing I saw d2 made me change that stance.
I don't understand how you went from nothing in d2 made you change your stances on enigma & GE...to saying ruru & I are the scum team.
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Post Post #2688 (isolation #28) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:47 pm

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In post 2686, Alonzo wrote:thats quite a narrow view of the situation. I was trying to give TW some space as I do not Town!read TW easily.

Around page 95 I said I was going to Re read, by the time i got to the RR there was a huge show and TW suddenly subbed out and the game was another 10 pages to read.

rurur really seemed to believe her SR of TW then went cold on it. The whole thing seemed unnecessary.

Not knowing TW's alts I was surprised in the break of character that followed, he broke the 4th dimension if you will and still not sure how to read it.
But If your ISO is not what your scum meta is like, then I don't see why ruru lined up Korina>skitter>ruru in some sort of meta comparison of people who weren't playing to their meta.

Why would you object an enigma wagon??
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@alonzo: interesting. I've seen tw's town meta consistently show he gets irate when things don't go his way, but that's about as "4th dimension" as I can see regarding tw. As for alts, I'm not aware of what alts he has...though I don't how that would matter.

I still think it's very scummy that ruru claimed to have been in sorting tw for 90+ pgs and when I replaced in , she suddenly put me as tr. Despite that, a re-ISO of her & checking ISOs of others after some time has gone by this phase - ruru is hardly the scummiest .
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Post Post #2693 (isolation #29) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:05 pm

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In post 2692, ruru wrote:I didn't use my ability either night

I don't value creature's life over my own
mfw I heard this.....

so tonight what will you do then??
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Post Post #2694 (isolation #30) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:06 pm

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In post 2691, Korina wrote:
In post 2690, ruru wrote:I'm bodyguard lol
And yet you weren't on Creature last night...?
Also, mind telling us who you were on then?
Interestingly, why would she have been on creature? I didn't see he claimed anything on a quick ISO skim.
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Post Post #2716 (isolation #31) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:48 pm

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Isn't there 1 more person who didn't claim?

I seriously don't like that answer from ruru, looks very suspicious.
Bg role is created to protect others, especially prs.
I think this is literally the first time I've ever seen this kind of reasoning and really , really don't like it. I mean, who says they don't want to protect Alonzo at this point with the mass claiming going around? That's the only answer they should give at this point .
At the same time - if she fake claimed, that is next to suicide for scum to do. On top of that, this is basically suicide from what ruru is saying if she is scum...so I'm inclined to think she can't be scum saying such things.

Also why did Creature of all people, claim his IC role on d1 in post 5?? What the!?
This G A I M is messed up.

Anyway, trying to think if it makes sense with 12 - goon, traitor, another scum role, IC, town rb, town bg. Considering the setup features, it actually sounds plausible .
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Post Post #2719 (isolation #32) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:56 pm

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In post 2710, ruru wrote:VOTE: bujaber
I'm finding it very challenging to trust your thought processes , ruru, after saying you didn't bg on 2 nights & that you'll die over another pr. Why would you suspect there would be an investigative to protect? What if there wasn't??

So with that said, I want to hear why you're voting bujaber.
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Post Post #2720 (isolation #33) » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:07 pm

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I would like everyone to get on the enigma wagon please. I don't see my vote moving off him this phase.
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Post Post #2761 (isolation #34) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:22 am

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Not sure what to make of bujaber suddenly putting irrel & I in his sr.

The more I read from irrel, the townier he feels . like his posts about what if alonzo makes it to lylo, then that would be absolutely alarming but I don't see how that can happen . If he's fake claiming , we lynch him, if he's not, he will be targeted.
I don't think ruru should protect anyone then in that case because if both are truth telling, 1 of them dies and that helps us get less paranoid, it clears up some chaos for improved scumhunting.
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Also just thought of something - if alonzo is telling the truth, that means enigma is cleared. 1 scum died already, the only other 1 who can do an nk already did one on n2....so alonzo blocking enigma = enig town.

I think it also makes sense if alonzo was fake claiming & was actually traitor, then his rb on enigma on n2 would've made sense as scum fake claim? So in that case, enigma is scum and alonzo = traitor? Because looking at enigma's ISO alone - you can say I'm insane but I'm an old school/traditional town player - his ISO is still very suspicious .

Alonzo flew from not changing his stance on enigma being scum, to tw/ruru, to bujaber.
Something isn't right here.
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Post Post #2764 (isolation #35) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:36 am

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Here's a thought - we leash alonzo onto who he & us agree to be blocked. That should help us narrow things down.

If town and failed = he dies since scum kills him
If town and succeeded = that's great, likely confirmed scum target
If he succeeded but the block target flipped green after lynch = lynch alonzo next day with prejudice since that means he lied

In my case on enigma , he included irrel, me, buj, and alonzo in his ISO of people to lynch/sr but didn't include nm. Alonzo NOT looking at enigma this d3 phase with no reasoning afaik, is alarming by itself.
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On a related note, I have a bad feeling about buj , as in I don't think he's scum here.
Him voting enigma after I posted my case on enigma, actually makes sense from a town perspective because enigma pushed for buj AND my death, and I absolutely am town here. So buj's vote on enig makes sense as a town process.
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Post Post #2766 (isolation #36) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:39 am

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In post 2763, Irrelephant11 wrote:also I'm just now realizing you're trying to call enigma locktown and your scummiest read in the same post??
I'm just actually really confused, tell me more
trying to think of all realities here.

Regarding ruru & alonzo, basically my idea is ruru doesn't bg anybody and alonzo works with us to do an agreed roleblock on a coordinated target. I want to hear thoughts from ruru, alonzo, everyone else about this. I think this is the safest route because I myself am suspicious of 1 or both of them end up somehow getting to lylo.
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Post Post #2769 (isolation #37) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:42 am

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In post 2765, skitter30 wrote:performer's either town or groupscum without a traitor imo because i feel like he doesn't really understand the whole 'recruit traitor' notion
Going by what the setup says, there's IS a traitor. And I was saying alonzo could be traitor and enigma could be the groupscum with nm, who flipped red. Anyway, that's just my hypothetical .

At the same time I don't see what you mean by "recruit traitor." I'm under the impression that if scum chose that, they can recruit the traitor?
Well in that case couldn't alonzo still have possibly fake claimed with enigma no matter who is who?

Despite anything else, enigma's ISO alone is the scummiest of anybody's. Combined with everything else that's happened along with poe, my vote is still staying on enigma.
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Post Post #2770 (isolation #38) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:44 am

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In post 2766, Performer wrote:
In post 2763, Irrelephant11 wrote:also I'm just now realizing you're trying to call enigma locktown and your scummiest read in the same post??
I'm just actually really confused, tell me more
trying to think of all realities here.

Regarding ruru & alonzo, basically my idea is ruru doesn't bg anybody and alonzo works with us to do an agreed roleblock on a coordinated target. I want to hear thoughts from ruru, alonzo, everyone else about this. I think this is the safest route because I myself am suspicious of 1 or both of them end up somehow getting to lylo.
to expand on this, I don't know if anybody has much experience with games where scum fake claim, but it absolutely is a reality in some games I've played in or observed. So, that is also why I am suggesting this idea.
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Post Post #2775 (isolation #39) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:49 am

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In post 2679, Alonzo wrote:A50 was policy I explained at the start of day 2.

When I did my first readthrough I was thinking that there was probably
a scum in enigma/Gamma, and nothing I saw d2 made me change that stance.
notice the part I bolded
In post 2602, Alonzo wrote:^^ does scum post like this?
later referred to enigma again in this post - enigma just posted above him
In post 2542, Alonzo wrote:RR/TW is the scum team

Change my mind.
didn't expand on this until later when I had to ask
In post 2746, Alonzo wrote:
vote:Bu


L1
flew from enigma to rr & I to bujaber.

That's why something wasn't sitting right with me about alonzo.
This is more for my notes going forward.
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Post Post #2779 (isolation #40) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:57 am

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In post 2774, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2, ofrhz wrote:Role Modifications
During pre-game, mafia have 72 hours to select which (if any) of the modifications they want to their team. A maximum of three modifications may be selected:

- Bulletproof
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- Recruit Traitor as Mafia Goon
if this last option happens there's effectively 3 mafia goons (with the possibility of any of the three getting a pr if they choose them) and no traitor in effect once the game starts

scum know whether or not that's a thing but town doesn't
Yes in that post 2, scum can choose. I forgot that they could stay as 2 goon 1 traitor or become 3 goons. I went with what I remembered as the parts stating the setup had 2 mafia and a traitor.
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@irrelephant his changing in reads and being noncommital to enigma, as well as claiming he blocked him on n2 , make sense to me if alonzo is fake claiming as scum. When I played with him in 2 games as town, he wasn't as noncommital.

I need to think over the ruru having to bg alonzo idea:
if town bg on scum rb, bg dies
if scum bg on town rb, rb dies
if both town, rb dies
if both scum, well damn.

actually you're right there. Never mind me idea, I agree with ruru on alonzo and alonzo designating his target.
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Post Post #2781 (isolation #41) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:15 am

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Waiiiit a minute. alonzo claims to have blocked enigma n2, enigma on d3 said irrel/alonzo/buj were his sr. This was BEFORE alonzo's claim.

So , I am thinking that if enigma flips red & alonzo flips green, this means there is 3 group scum and no traitor. Because an nk still occurred on n2 despite alonzo blocking enigma.
alonzo claimed rb on enigma n2>kill still happened>if enigma flips red, 1 other scum left because of kill on n2


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Post Post #2783 (isolation #42) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:44 am

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Ok .

UNVOTE:

So alonzo did rb on enigma on n2....but there were still ways it could've failed, seeing as Creat died.
What if scum had JOAT - so they could 1-shot strongman, and used that on n2 against creat? The post 2 details in the game, say it can't be blocked.
Despite that, I am starting to see that bujaber is probably the better vote now.


Still not liking the magical addition of me into his sr list with irrelephant and me as bujaber's sr. No explanation at all after scrolling through his more recent posts. Intent to vote bujaber, but I want to hear from alonz & enigma first.
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Post Post #2788 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:49 am

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In post 2785, ruru wrote:I don't think alonzo should telegraph his target today because it's a disaster if bujaber is town and scum recruited traitor, not to mention it gives scum more information on who to shoot

alonzo is living tomorrow to claim tonight's target unless he roleblocks me so there's no benefit in telegraphing

(and if I'm scum somehow thinking solo pushing for massclaim a day early and fakeclaiming bg is a good idea, then I'm shooting someone other than alonzo tonight 100% of the time anyway)
This requires a great deal of trust in alonzo - I see what you mean though. Thanks for the explanation - I am in agreement with this move instead, for alonzo about not revealing his rb target.

Also, I was wondering if it was skitter & enigma in my 2688 - but that is no longer valid. I now am thinking it's buj & one other person whose ISO revealed catching up, doing iioa posts today, not voting buj but voting you after your reveal, and even wanting alonz/me/GE (green flip) to die.

A lot of my town meta is thinking out loud to process things.
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Post Post #2789 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:50 am

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In post 2786, Alonzo wrote:What did you want to hear from me ?

@performer?
can you go into the timeline of your scumreads and actions? What exactly happened?
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Post Post #2798 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:45 pm

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In post 2792, ruru wrote:
Ways to discern whether or not Performer is scum:
-He'll mess around, probably in a subtle way
-You get the feeling that he's purposefully being mysterious
-He'll fake confusion

-He'll poke at random posts
-He's brief
-He lurks
the reason I ask is that the bolded are pinging me somewhat:
- you do sound purposefully mysterious with some of your scumreads
- I don't specifically think your confusion about the setup is fake, but it's hard for me to evaluate. part of why I don't want the day to end yet is that I'd like to see what your posting is like
after
you've figured out all the setup stuff or whatever

so I'm wondering whether confidential scumreads are part of your mysterious-town-range
Whoa whoa whoa let me stop you right there ruru, and provide a disclaimer - this is from 2 years ago so that wiki is somewhat old so therefore not as reliable. tictac did the same in a completed game by referring to the wiki . And him and I were town in that game.

I haven't come across a need to update the wiki so I left it as is when I took a break from FM. Interestingly it's looking like I may have to update it as people are using it to read me.

As for why I withheld my fos on 2 folks earlier, that was to see if anything substantial would come out of it, anything that could keep generating discussion that could help us win.

As for confusion, yes I am like everyone else in that I get confused about things too. But I've been seriously trying to figure things out like everyone else.
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Post Post #2801 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:49 pm

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@alonzo ok thank you for the wall post.

If you (or anyone else) want to , you guys can see exactly how my scum play is in these games:
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Post Post #2808 (isolation #47) » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:58 am

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In post 2802, Alonzo wrote:Wheres your head at now performer?

Close to placing a vote?
Not close to placing a vote yet - I want to see what Enigma says, and what Korina's input is OTHER than setup and role speculations or catching up or being too busy.
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Post Post #2813 (isolation #48) » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:05 am

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In post 2811, Korina wrote:Basically:
Alonzo isn't dying tonight. If he does, we lynch Ruru.
Alonzo shouldn't say who he's rbing
I think Preformer is confused town.
I think Buj is just scum.
In post 2812, Korina wrote:I'm pretty sure that it's {Buj, Enigma}.
Can you expand on this?
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Post Post #2814 (isolation #49) » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:06 am

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Also @ everyone and mod: I'll be traveling this weekend so v/la over the weekend
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Post Post #2819 (isolation #50) » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:50 am

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@korina expand on your sr of buj and enigma.
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Post Post #2824 (isolation #51) » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:37 am

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In post 1559, ofrhz wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1.28
Almost50 (0):

HeWhoSwims (1):
Almost50
the worst (1):
Not_Mafia
ruru (0):

BuJaber (0):

Not_Mafia (7):
the worst, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience, Creature, Enigma, ejjinami
LYNCH

Enigma (0):

ejjinami (0):

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (2):
HeWhoSwims, BuJaber
skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):


Not Voting (1):
Gamma Emerald

With
12
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7
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Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-09-14 16:30:00)

Other
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- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- HeWhoSwims still needs to be replaced
If we look at d1 vc, the only person still alive who didn't vote nm, is bujaber.
Looking at who's on the wagon, it doesn't make sense for enigma to be doing L-1 to a partner on d1....while eji is now irrel. I can't see it making sense for irrel to hammer a partner on d1 either unless really necessary.
So maybe it's 1 or both of skitter/Korina in the middle of the wagon??
Maybe scum wanted to cut their losses so they distanced via bussing - but I don't see how both partners would've been on nm to bus him on d1.
In post 2248, ofrhz wrote:
VOTE COUNT 2.13
Alonzo (0):

the worst (2):
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BuJaber (0):

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Irrelephant11, Gamma Emerald
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Gamma Emerald (6):
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Korina (0):


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For d2 end of day vc, enig was getting enough heat for irrel & GE to voted him - not only that, but alonzo felt he was suspect enough to rb him. It's not outlandish to think that enigma perhaps realized that he was being suspected a lot and (if they have a 3rd goon) wanted his other living partner to do the nk on n2, on creature. This way alonzo would get a false clear on enigma.
What else I noticed was buj, skitter, korina - all claimed vts and all voted GE for d2 lynch, quite safely in middle of the wagon. What's worrisome is that GE a veteran player, thought someone else was scummier than any of the 6 on his wagon... wth?
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Post Post #2826 (isolation #52) » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:38 am

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Isn't enigma overdue for prodding?

Also, is anyone here an alt or has alts? Reason for asking is meta comparisons.
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Post Post #2827 (isolation #53) » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:39 am

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In post 2825, Korina wrote:Where are you getting with that?
Trying to vca some things and reread a few ISOs.
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Post Post #2830 (isolation #54) » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:21 am

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Post Post #2848 (isolation #55) » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:23 am

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Still waiting on enigma replies, he's lurked hard today. Mod can we get deadline extension or deadline pause until a replacement?
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Post Post #2858 (isolation #56) » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:53 pm

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off topic:
Baby, it’s a brighter day
Are you just gonna stare at the wall? What’s wrong
Today is Friday, come meet me
Wherever we go, I’ll make you feel better, let’s go together

In our lives
There will be much harder things than this
This might be the beginning
So today, let’s go far away
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Post Post #2859 (isolation #57) » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:55 pm

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Enigma upon your return - I want to see reads list and your thoughts on what's transpired.
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Post Post #2863 (isolation #58) » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:46 am

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Alonzo I did not yet, but I want to see what enigma days before going into it.
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Post Post #2864 (isolation #59) » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:48 am

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Also for all this hypo inno talk, nobody should be heading into d3 not sorting/reevaluating even their trs. That raises all sorts of issues and is suspicious.
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Post Post #2865 (isolation #60) » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:52 am

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This is outrageous. Nothing still from enigma in 24 hrs. That's a classic scum stall tactic if you ask me. Going to post my case , not waiting anymore. Enig and skit can go.
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Post Post #2866 (isolation #61) » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:52 am

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In post 1741, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1740, ofrhz wrote:Gamma Emerald (4): Creature, Bujaber, Alonzo, the worst (L-2)
this is an icky wagon
In post 1743, skitter30 wrote:the people i townread are: vex, ruru, enigma, creature
the people i don't are: buj, alonzo, tw, ge, ejji
In post 1776, skitter30 wrote:why has this game stalled .... ?

i have like nothing new to say

sure, let's see what happens if i vote VOTE: alonzo
In post 1777, skitter30 wrote:i still think ejji's (irrel) slot is scum
In post 1982, skitter30 wrote:{creature}
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{}-- null
{bujaber, alonzo, gamma, tw}
{you}
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i'm unhappy with that bujaber/alonzo/gamma/tw tier but i'm not entirely sure what to do about it

idk what else do you want me to talk about?
In post 1984, skitter30 wrote:enigma is some combo of gut/tone/good timing of posts that i dont' think i can explain better + most of the below-null camp have been pushing him and like none of the above-null camp have been

tw used to be my biggest scumread so i'm making progress; still don't feel like i can confidentally townread him but it isn't nearly strong of a scumread as it has been previously
In post 2013, skitter30 wrote:i don't especially scumread bujaber, but i'm not particularly against wagoning him to see if that'll help move the game out of this complacent/stagnating state tbh; my alonzo vote didn't really accomplish anything

VOTE: bujaber

In post 1559, ofrhz wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1.28
Almost50 (0):

HeWhoSwims (1):
Almost50
the worst (1):
Not_Mafia
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Not_Mafia (7):
the worst, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience, Creature, Enigma, ejjinami
LYNCH

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HeWhoSwims, BuJaber
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- HeWhoSwims still needs to be replaced

i mean in this vc gamma is dead, nm is dead, and a50 is dead (as is creature). everyone alive is either on town!gamma or scum!not_mafia

my best guess is one on not_mafia and one on gamma; i highly highly doubt both partners were off; if both partners were on i think tw is one of them

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In post 2277, Irrelephant11 wrote:Like why isn't this obvious? @anyone other than ruru, am I being dumb or is it just true that I made a good point and ruru is refusing to accept that?


you're kinda my highest priority to sort right now; i've been trying to since daystart of day2 but ejji flaked and so that didn't really work out
In post 2333, skitter30 wrote:does anyone have a strong read on irrel's slot either way?
In post 2409, skitter30 wrote:i keep swinging to bujaber/irrel

mostly cuz i townread everyone else more

but i'm kinda ??? dubious and uncertain
In post 2462, skitter30 wrote:wrt to enigma i'm kinda losing patience/motivation to keep fighting this
In post 2477, skitter30 wrote: Do u think me/enigma could be svs?

I have been p-edited; im much slower at typing on a phone than on a computer im realizing
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In post 2688, Performer wrote: Why would you object an enigma wagon??

enigma's posts just feel good tonally
In post 2708, skitter30 wrote: so two scum in {enigma/performer/irrel/bujaber/vex}
going to go here i think for now

VOTE: bujaber
This series of posts is strikingly like scum agenda. Hard defends enigma, uses the same easy-go-to reason to tr me too (tonally). Wanted tw/me, alonzo, buj, irrel dead at various points of ISO. The posts plain point to that - scum agenda. And what do you know, the ones she wants dead are alive (except for GE), and she’s jumped at the opportunity to kill buj.

Compared to enigma’s ISO, buj is townier. Skitter interactions regarding and with enigma & buj, are bizarre too. Something I’ve been contemplating is why would scum buj vote enigma after I reanalyzed enigma’s scummy ISO with a strong push – that doesn’t make sense given the way buj has posted about enigma on other days. I think it’s enigma & skitter.
enigma said At this stage for scum:
Elephant prime candidate. Alonzo/Buj solid maybes.

Korina – buj & irrel, skitter – buj & who else??, buj – irrel & I if not enigma (I don’t think scum would be this bold to be stating sr on irrel & I of all people since irrel & his predec ejinami have been quite town in their interactions…in fact I think he’s saying this because he had me as a 3rd possibility largely due to my predec tw and irrel’s big case on buj).

After a bit of rereading ISOs, I find it very interesting that korina, skitter, and enigma don't sr one another strongly . In fact, I’ve seen multiple times they tr each other while being ok with other people being lynched.
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Post Post #2867 (isolation #62) » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:57 am

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In post 2209, Enigma wrote:Like I feel there are two distinct blocs with different lynch preferences forming atm.
{Creature, skitter, Korina, ruru, me}
{Elephant, GE, BuJ, tw, Alonzo}

I TR most of the first bloc actually ... just leaving this thought here as I think it would be interesting to look at once we have more flips.
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In post 92, Almost50 wrote:
In post 79, skitter30 wrote:@a50 why wagon sky?

Because it's fun. :twisted:
And also bc it's good for the game.
Well, it's as good as any other wagon really, but my vote is already there and so is ruru's, so if you want to be our third I'd be obliged. (It's still be L-4 you know, and N_M isn't even in this game if it makes you feel any better) :P
Someone should replace out so NM can replace in so we can lynch him
In post 1133, Enigma wrote:Btw, now that this game is over ... viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76766
This has kinda been in my mind the whole game, but couldn't say much as ongoing.

Skitter was one of my strongest TRs in that game, I even doc protected her because I thought she would be prime NK target ... alas she was scum
scum!skitter a force to be reckoned with, and was literally universally townread by everyone and won because town trusted her enough to hammer test her in MYLO

So I haven't really commented on skitter so much, that said I am kinda townreading skitter this game, but I don't trust her or my reads on her hahahha :igmeou: :igmeou: :igmeou:
Hence my earlier comment about I don't really know how to read her with confidence
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Post Post #2868 (isolation #63) » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:57 am

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Those quotes further my case posted.
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Post Post #2881 (isolation #64) » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:43 am

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Ok, based on skitter scum play I saw in another game with ofrhz and ruru and buj and enigma , ruru's account of skitter town meta, and the reactions, I'm going to go back to enigma. That catchup is simply ridiculous.

I'm finding it hard to believe irrel and buj are scum.

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Post Post #2884 (isolation #65) » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:33 am

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Deadline is less than 48 hours away and you're talking about hypotheticals in an iioa way, as well as not even having caught up. What kind of mindset is this? Definitely doesn't strike me as town. doesn't sound like any sense of urgency.
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Post Post #2919 (isolation #66) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:42 am

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In post 2891, Enigma wrote:
In post 2761, Performer wrote:Also just thought of something - if alonzo is telling the truth, that means enigma is cleared. 1 scum died already, the only other 1 who can do an nk already did one on n2....so alonzo blocking enigma = enig town.

I think it also makes sense if alonzo was fake claiming & was actually traitor, then his rb on enigma on n2 would've made sense as scum fake claim? So in that case, enigma is scum and alonzo = traitor? Because looking at enigma's ISO alone - you can say I'm insane but I'm an old school/traditional town player - his ISO is still very suspicious .

Alonzo flew from not changing his stance on enigma being scum, to tw/ruru, to bujaber.
Something isn't right here.
This doesn't clear me btw (if Alonzo isn't fake claiming). Plus Alzono fake claiming doesn't make sense - it has essentially signed his death warrant if he doesn't get NKd and he was not under pressure to claim since he wasn't in today's lynch pool and I don't really expect him to be the player who has made such a gambit.

I actually started to TR your slot a bit earlier, but considering how you (and your predecessor) are training me so much when it is quite vital for scum to drive a mislynch today makes me retract that read.
Do you mean townreading ? Because otherwise your "training me so much" makes no sense .

And why would scum perf vote you today you've got no traction, compared to a scum perf voting an easier lynch like bujaber? If you read my meta provided for my 2 scum games this year, and alonzo can attest to it - I go for easy lynches. alonzo roleblocking you that night doesn't mean your fully cleared, yes, and like I said before, I do value classic scum hunting which focuses more on itt posts over abilities. Abilities are supplemental.
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Post Post #2920 (isolation #67) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:54 am

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In post 2907, Alonzo wrote:yeah, that was meant to be @everyone
I think korina or irrel then.
In post 2911, ruru wrote:like, all your text about skitter could essentially by condensed into one line that "skitter is town because she trust told" and everything else about how hypothetically she would be spooky if she hadn't is filler, assuming you believe that she trust told

compared to I don't think you've really written much about, say, my alignment since d1 where you had me as the nullest of nulltowns and you would think that (before my claim at least) sorting me would be a priority considering how controlling I've been in this game
In post 1655, BuJaber wrote:I need help sorting tw/ruru
In post 2350, BuJaber wrote:I mean there's like only 3 choices for me: enigma, phantismo and ruru. Ruru my gut says town and nobody apart from elephant exoressed a scumread on her... If she's scum here she probably just wins
this lacks town, especially from someone who just lost to a deepwolf
I really don't like those posts from Bujaber, including you (now claimed bg) and I in scum pool. Need to re ISO him again.
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Post Post #2929 (isolation #68) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:49 am

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@enigma why do you townread skitter & korina?
As for "tunneling," that's inaccurate, I've been sorting others as well.
Intent to vote bujaber.

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Post Post #2933 (isolation #69) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:18 am

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In post 2931, ruru wrote:
In post 2888, ruru wrote:
In post 2870, ruru wrote:
In post 2866, Performer wrote:After a bit of rereading ISOs, I find it very interesting that korina, skitter, and enigma don't sr one another strongly . In fact, I’ve seen multiple times they tr each other while being ok with other people being lynched.
what does this mean to you?
performer can you answer this?
that it's highly suspicious of skitter, korina, enigma to tr each other many times. regarding skitter's recent scum game, she is definitely not afraid to bus so if skitter & buj are somehow scum, that makes sense from her bussing buj .
But all that's changed somewhat as Korina said he has enigma as sr now , and I have had to reevaluate skitter & enigma in their reactions to my case on them, their interactions with others, and what others have posted.
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In post 2930, ruru wrote:but I am kind of scumreading that you (initially) didn't want to re-eval after the replace and I think that's somewhat indicative of scum you + town him
I'm this close to rage quitting
I've never replaced out but everyone is under my skin this game
This is stupid
I don't like this , I've seen plenty of this used as AtE by scum before.
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Post Post #2938 (isolation #70) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:37 am

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Ok.
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Post Post #2962 (isolation #71) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:44 am

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Again, buj, what sense does it make for scum perf to post a case on enigma (who you think is scum), vote him, and you vote him... this is looking like you think I am possibly teamed with enigma. you've repeatedly implied I'm scum perf trying to bus scum enigma.

And somehow you're saying both claimed prs die on 1 night phase? What in the world?
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Post Post #2970 (isolation #72) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:26 am

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In post 2964, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm scumreading Performer more than I am BuJaber
But ehhh it's probably a bad idea to move a wagon this late in the game day?
This just sounds odd. you're thinking I'm scummier, yet you went back to buj.

Of the people on buj's wagon that have behaved the fishiest, it's you.
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Post Post #2972 (isolation #73) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:32 am

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I liked the eji predecessor for town & how he was doing for the nm lynch.
Taking in that a50 stated buj & irrel were probably scum, and trying to work together with others' reads, I've been reevaluating my read on irrel today.

I'm not liking him for town.
In fact, I think you, irrel, and buj are the lynches today. Korina follows into that path as well, as I can't trust him as much as the remaining others.
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Post Post #2976 (isolation #74) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:50 am

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In post 2973, Enigma wrote:Uhh putting a lynch pool of three people with <24 hrs to deadline and L-1 on BuJ is just illogical.

Here is the question again since you didn't really answer it:
1. Do you think scum!elephant would bus BuJ
2. Do you think scum!elephant would drive a mislynch on BuJ
To answer both questions - absolutely .

The problem is, this is d3 so what scum does in terms of bussing or driving mislynching...the chances for both are just as possible. In fact the site meta I've seen is that scum busses. And if this turns out to be scum bussing scum, then we might as well have them help us to victory.

Why would you ask me this though , enigma... I wouldn't think you're that new to how scum play in FM.
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Post Post #2979 (isolation #75) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:07 am

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If you're saying what I think about them being tvt, svs, tvs, svt, right now I'm thinking svs.
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Post Post #2980 (isolation #76) » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:08 am

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Hm. I thought it was fairly clear when I provided my scumreads earlier
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Post Post #2985 (isolation #77) » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:38 pm

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Alonzo - who did you target?
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Post Post #3008 (isolation #78) » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:38 am

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In post 2998, skitter30 wrote:also bujaber trying to get enigma lynched is +town to enigma imo
I agree with this, as he was also roleblocked on n2. So, rb on n2 & bujaber's ending vote on enigma, make it likelier enig is town.

@alonzo I can't target anyone , I'm a vt.
In post 2999, ruru wrote:does it even matter what order we lynch in

I guess it does, if scum want to nk then we get an inno on someone in the scumpool

so I guess theoretically we should lynch whoever is least useful to gamesolving? which is probably performer since he hasn't read the game

but then there's also that irrel is the player I'm most worried about convincing everyone he's town after I'm shot, and I'm also scumreading him most
Have you been paying attention? I actually have caught up with a lot of the game & read the ISOs. I'm starting to doubt you're town here, due to no nk from n3 & that you suggested this extremely horrible reasoning for lynching.
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Post Post #3009 (isolation #79) » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:40 am

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@enigma
If you're town here, which I'm thinking is the case - you need to quit being so unavailable. That was one reason I sr you from d3. We need you to be more present.
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Post Post #3011 (isolation #80) » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:01 am

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In post 3006, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: Performer
I've detailed why I think tw/sky make sense as the traitor to BuJ's groupscum, & Performer is literally playing to his scum meta imo
I don't know what the first part is about, but the latter is a terribly huge reach of an accusation.
Waiting on Korina to catch up & provide thoughts . We got plenty of time here so no need to rush things.

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If ruru is somehow town though, she needs to keep bg on alonzo the rest of the game. This is a good situation of 1v6 because we should have a good chance at winning here.
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Post Post #3012 (isolation #81) » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:02 am

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Irrel other than me then, who would you think likely scum at this point?
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Post Post #3025 (isolation #82) » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:04 am

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Skitter’s post about irrel yesterday – exactly, irrel's behavior at eod 3 was suspicious as I called attention to it as well yesterday .

night action summary, more for future reference than anything else:
Ruru no bg on n1 & n2, bg on alonzo n3, bg alonzo n4
Alonzo rb enigma n2, rb me n3, rb ? n4

The problem with this is if alonzo switches to another person & suddenly there’s an nk, then people will think I did the kill. Essentially scum is framing me. This along with irrel’s hilarious accusation, actually makes me more convinced on irrel & outer chance of Korina, with fos of ruru.

Another problem is if he switches onto someone else and there is still no kill, that’s alarming too…because what if scum just keep no killing to frame people?

The good thing is even if we go 7-5-3 from d4 to d6, with poe we should be able to ultimately win this. Of course, this heavily relies on if ruru & alonzo have been telling the truth.

I don’t see a no lynch helping us more than a lynch does, for this phase.
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Post Post #3031 (isolation #83) » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:07 am

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It's obvious that Alonzo targeted me regardless of if he gave a straight answer. Anybody could tell from his reply, though I'm still town .
If I'm somehow the lynch today, lynch irrel tomorrow.

Still , waiting on Korina before voting.
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Post Post #3037 (isolation #84) » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:16 am

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In post 3035, ruru wrote:I mean if scum is in {you, enigma, performer} then lynching those three wins the game even if alonzo literally goes afk

skitter is 99% town

korina is 95% town

if alonzo is scum he gamethrew

if I'm scum I gamethrew
Why would enigma be in the scum pool?
Why would alonzo go afk?? He's not the kind of person I imagine to do this.

And if he's scum, he game threw???
If you're scum, you game threw????

What are these hypotheticals?????
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Post Post #3038 (isolation #85) » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:17 am

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In post 3036, Irrelephant11 wrote:yes hello
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I'm not scum so if you're just settled on me at least do some work to sort for tomorrow's lynch. I would've shot last night, btw. There were good odds I'd be targeted based on what people told Alonzo to do, so what would be the point in holstering?

Anyway, performer slot case incoming
Honestly if we're both town....then......someone like Korina or one of the prs, have fake claimed.
Thing is, I would've shot last night too if I was scum.

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Post Post #3040 (isolation #86) » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:36 am

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@irrel
Korina has been lurking - in this case, less active than others. His play since d3 has a lot of iioa, and I feel like he's trying to be null. So he's one of the folks I trust less than the others. At the same time though, he and others have stated you as a scumread.

And iirc buj stated you & I were his final sr.
Buj said his scum meta was to mess with associatives. So what if the 3rd person - if group scum rather than traitor, is actually not his sr (irrel or performer) ? I've been wrestling with this idea so it's also a reason why I distrust Korina .

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Post Post #3047 (isolation #87) » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:49 am

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Maybe tw played with buj in the past so he called him a friend. But yeah, point is obviously we can go speculate about what anti said about sky, or what tw did and the meaning of his posts, but I wouldn't know why the two of them played like that. Clearly those 2 have different playstyles.
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Post Post #3048 (isolation #88) » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:49 am

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Korina you caught up yet or do you have anymore thoughts to provide?
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Post Post #3067 (isolation #89) » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:41 am

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In post 3059, Enigma wrote:
In post 2987, Alonzo wrote:
In post 2985, Performer wrote:Alonzo - who did you target?
Who did you target?
So this felt off when I first open the thread but I didn't really figure out the words/logic for it yet. Performer's first post game day stood out - for me, it was wtf happened last night and oh shit will this game finish soon. If a NK had happened last night, this is what I would have asked straight away, but we had discussed already yesterday that the rb!guilty is not really a guilty. Part of this actually feels like scum!performer could have holstered last night, then hoped for a rb!guilty on someone just to muck with everyone's head?
I wanted to know what happened so I just asked it . By this point of d4 it makes little to no sense for me to not outright find Alonzo's result and work with it.

I'm starting to consider that it's possible to be in our favor to have me lynched. Because if we look at it this way:
-If irrel gets lynched & somehow is town, people may still think I'm suspicious...though my reads aren't perfect. Then Alonzo might just rb me again and I think we'll just end up at square one again the next day
-If I get lynched, then at least people's paranoia are alleviated. I'm unsure how much experience people have regarding FM, but I've seen games where people want their own lynch to be pushed through in order for the next day to have less paranoia (chaos)
-But then there's that third option left, which I am considering more and more - I don't think we want a draw in this game so I'll ask

@mod if there is no kill again from scum, how many times can we no lynch again before you decide it's a draw?
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Post Post #3095 (isolation #90) » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:02 am

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VOTE: Irrelephant

Yeah nothing new from korina other than the clarification of his scum meta.
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Post Post #3107 (isolation #91) » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:31 am

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@Korina thanks for the catchup. Why would you suggest alonzo rb enigma, AGAIN? How would that help more than rbing someone else? Regarding holstering speculation - scum would do that so the person who is roleblocked would get framed, is what I have been trying to say.

The self lynching proposal from irrel is highly scummy. That's downright lousy play if town other than vengeful town. If scum, well, that makes sense because scum self voting means they just stop giving more information for town. I highly highly doubt you're town because you have much more experience than proposing such a play, and for a reason I can't go into at the moment.
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Post Post #3131 (isolation #92) » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:55 am

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In post 3123, Alonzo wrote:Fair.

I'l drop hammer in around 20 hours unless anyone wants more time?
I'm fine with this.
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Also, this below is suspicious - looks like sheeping just to get whoever lynched, from enigma.

"The AtEing is working a bit on me though :/
Like Performer feels much more survivalistic than elephant atm, IMO.

Performer's lack of any scum hunting today + the rb last night + general actions before that + duck/sky = my preferred lynch today" - wanted me lynched with a poor case

"If it happens to be a mislynch and you aren't around tomorrow ruru, I will (try to) sort elephant out and hopefully not let him get away if he is scum" - here he says if I'm a green flip, he'll want to lynch irrel the next day

Later talks about sheeping between skitter, korina , ruru, and votes irrel instead - despite providing a case about wanting me lynched , earlier today. This process of vote change is just bizarre.
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Post Post #3133 (isolation #93) » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:23 am

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In post 3132, Korina wrote:
In post 3123, Alonzo wrote:Fair.

I'l drop hammer in around 20 hours unless anyone wants more time?
Hammer at leisure.
I've said everything I want to for the day.

Just remember to RB {Performer, Enigma} if this is green.
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Post Post #3139 (isolation #94) » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:20 pm

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waiting on Alonzo as well
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Post Post #3140 (isolation #95) » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:21 pm

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Still town btw.

@irrel man...if you're town, you should not ever suggest self lynching . :( That is something that benefits scum instead.
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Post Post #3146 (isolation #96) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:48 am

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In post 3141, ruru wrote:if alonzo rbed you, what would you conclude? if alonzo rbed someone else, what would you conclude?

from your perspective it should be confirmed that scum are interested in nokilling so I'm not sure what you think alonzo's result means.
He came in and said he roleblocked me twice - which I'd say isn't an optimal play - then I would still think it's enig. I can't do anything , as I'm vt. Why is it not optimal? Because an rb, if alonzo is town rb, should be changing up targets to get more information.

The part I bolded about your reply, is very odd , so I'm trying to understand it. You're saying that I somehow know they're no killing?

Going off information itt, I speculate:
-Scum keeps wanting a mislynch so they sail into victory, via no kill at night. The thing is, I think this last scum isn't too sharp . Because what if we no lynch just like they no kill at night? As confirmed via host, that ends in a draw. So basically they are risking between us doing mislynches, alonzo roleblocking in a suboptimal way, and us actually doing no lynching along with them doing possible no killing. Let's say if we end up no lynching while they do no killing - that's a DRAW. That means they risked being ok with that. If I go off what I can tell from # of games played and meta - I don't think ruru is that type of scum, or skitter for that matter. But I think this last scum isn't too sharp due to what I've explained here.
-Alonzo - we're trying to achieve maximum results which should have been on a different person.
-I'm town. The best rb would've been on enigma again since going off posts IN THE THREAD, he was looking least likely town

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Post Post #3147 (isolation #97) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:10 am

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In post 2958, BuJaber wrote:Since this looks to be my last post.. the optimal lynch order tomorrow is actually enigma > performer > ele, assuming both ruru and alonzo are dead. Meaning alonzo should block one of them.
This along with his continued sr of enigma at multiple points in the game (rechecked his ISO). Does anyone know if buj normally busses his teammates a lot? Because it makes me more confident on enigma being scum opposed to anybody else remaining.
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Post Post #3149 (isolation #98) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:13 am

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In post 2681, Performer wrote:VOTE: enigma

So I was trying to find in my ISO and enigma's after I replaced in, why tw tunneled him after I questioned him on that. No answer from him.

Now that we have alonzo's claim, nm's flip, another review of enigma's ISO - quite suspicious.

He had irrel/buj/alonzo as his sr STILL, on d3 and suddenly had me tr somehow.
Though in his ISO posts and , he was against tw.
His , , , , had me, alonzo - claimed town rb, eji, buj, GE (green flip) as his sr but he didn’t have nm slot as sr.
In post 2682, Performer wrote:further explanation - basically he voted a tpr - alonzo, my slot (green), GE (flipped green), didn't have nm (red flip) as scumread from what I skimmed through. That's condemning .

This makes me really wonder about his ISO pattern - if this means irrel/eji & buj/antihero are actually town then, because right now I have buj as an sr. But I'm not super fond of associative hunting as Alonzo knows from that 1 newbie game...so it should be shelved for another day I guess.
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In post 2680, Alonzo wrote:ruru got it into her head to randomly vote me, but skitters reasons were non existant.

If I had to bet I'd say Scum!Skitter has been hiding in the wake of Town!rurus chaotic style. Skitter fence sits on alot of points here, here Iso is riddled with 'this was kinda meh' That was kinda meh' posts that I'm not sure I see from townSkitter in such frequency
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I'm finding it hard to believe irrel and buj are scum.

VOTE: enigma
This along with other parts in my ISO like asking Korina to expand on his sr of buj & enigma, and what I got from other interactions with folks. I think it's enigma as the final person.

If I am lynched today, rb enigma. If he SOMEHOW still flips green, well....that is up to the remaining alive players.
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Post Post #3150 (isolation #99) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:16 am

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In post 3148, Alonzo wrote:This is outside of performers scum range as I understand it.
I am thinking Enigma.

I will have to re ISO Korina & his vex character.
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Post Post #3153 (isolation #100) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:51 am

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In times of great difficulty , the extent of your character is shown! You cannot give up!

In fact, one thing you can do too is parse through ISOs, ruru - from one Kpop fan to another.
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Post Post #3156 (isolation #101) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:30 am

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In post 3154, ruru wrote:do you know why alonzo thinks you're out of your scumrange?
I know very well why he thinks this. In fear of letting on too much info for scum, I don't think he or I should get into that.
In post 3155, ruru wrote:
In post 3146, Performer wrote:The part I bolded about your reply, is very odd , so I'm trying to understand it. You're saying that I somehow know they're no killing?
as for this, you would know scum nokilled n3 (establishing it as a thing scum believe is good)
Well...I hypothesized this because Alonzo blocked me twice and I'm just VT. So with all the info right now, that's the conclusion I arrive at - that scum no killed.
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Post Post #3162 (isolation #102) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:58 am

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In post 3161, skitter30 wrote:Subject: Open 713: Jungle Republic [Game Over]
skitter30 wrote:
In post 179, Korina wrote:Try 72/24 and 48/24 hour games, plus this game, which is 168/48.

This is the only site where I could fesibly get away with doing 3+ games at once.
I mean, I get it, life gets busy and you might not have time to post as much as you like - but like the fact that you're repeatedly popping in to tell us you're busy and that you can't really post content looks excuse-y.
Interesting. I didn't know ruru/enigma/buj/korina are so close to one another. One possibility I have is that korina is emulating his town game, if he's scum. A problem is , I don't know if kor is capable of stretching himself that much...is he capable of it? I haven't seen a scum game of korina's either.
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Post Post #3163 (isolation #103) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:03 am

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Also - Korina spoke in d4 I think, of some possibility chart he made in terms of who was scum.

Iirc, he mentioned enig>perf>skitter? Problem with THAT is we can only risk 1 mislynch on d5, today.

I keep thinking enig is scummier than korina but there are some weird things like that from korina, that make me keep reevaluating. He even said he thought the game was solved
so he was disinterested . That's interesting in addition to the way he voted me today.
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Post Post #3164 (isolation #104) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:10 am

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Something vex said is he lurks as scum. Vex & Korina's ISOs are over 200 posts combined already. So that alone....doesn't make me think he's scum over enigma. :neutral:
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Post Post #3183 (isolation #105) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:42 am

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This is ideal for scum if the day ends quick.

Can we at least unvote 1 off me and wait to hear from enigma , before putting me at L-1...this is my last request before my death.
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Post Post #3184 (isolation #106) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:43 am

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Like, if I am suddenly quick hammered, then people don't need to post anymore and that helps scum. I don't think it's best for be at L-1 so fast
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Post Post #3187 (isolation #107) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:54 am

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"Part of me is starting to think that Performer is trying to get anyone but himself lynched at this point, only to try to save himself. Why would Town!Performer do this when he knows he's been rb'd twice? Reasonably, any townie that's been rb'd twice would want to be hanged just to confirm that it is not them, and that it has to be someone else. Only scum at this point would be trying to stay alive."
In post 3167, Korina wrote:Why would we bother wasting our time on someone else, other than someone who has been rb'd twice, with no scum kills?
To answer both accusations on me - it's called persistence, experience, not giving up. Too many games are lost because people give up . My lynch is probably inevitable but that doesn't mean giving up is the ideal thing to do.

So I keep on scumhunting, that's all I can do, and I want to hear what enigma has to say about things.
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Post Post #3190 (isolation #108) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:56 am

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In post 3189, Korina wrote:@Performer, when your the main lynch candidate, you try to clear yourself. You need to make well written cases at that point.
I don't do tons of wall posts if that's what you mean... ?
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Post Post #3191 (isolation #109) » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:59 am

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off topic:
certain things are just playstyle so NAI. I look for the content in someone's posts. Even someone like not_mafia for instance, as crazy as it may be, you can tell if they're town or scum eventually....despite him posting typically very little and he doesn't make cases . This is due to analyzing the content in the posts .
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Post Post #3196 (isolation #110) » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:15 am

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Thing is, I'm still town here. I have seen enough , as enigma has returned just to say game ends with my lynch....though it doesn't as I'm town.

VOTE: enigma

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Post Post #3198 (isolation #111) » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:43 am

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Who else would be scum then?
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Post Post #3199 (isolation #112) » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:45 am

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Because at this point the way the game is going, if scum win then I don't see how anything else could be done. Like, if ruru or alonzo have fake claimed, well, then damn they did great work as last scum. But nobody else other than you enigma, is scum. Everyone's posts today have helped. If you're so sure it's me , then why haven't you even voted me.

Like I've said, my lynch has been virtually inevitable as soon as alonzo outed the 2nd result. But of course, scum would say I'm deflecting suspicion because the thing is, scum has been framing. The game doesn't end with my lynch.
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Post Post #3200 (isolation #113) » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:47 am

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Now if you'll excuse me, I have other priorities to be done this weekend. So regardless of what alignment you are - which I'm still believing is unlikely town - let's not waste anyone's time anymore and get to it. As in, let's progress the game.
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Post Post #3208 (isolation #114) » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:54 am

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In post 3198, Performer wrote:Who else would be scum then?
Has this been answered?
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Post Post #3214 (isolation #115) » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:37 am

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In post 3209, Alonzo wrote:
In post 3206, ruru wrote:Where's nm when you need him
I keep him chained up in the basement!
:lol:
I see what you mean . If it were someone else in my position, I would have to vote that person too if it was based strictly off the tpr results.

@skitter No objection from me....I think I've said as much as I can...

@mod can I get the reveal of the final scum pmed to me (or elsewhere).... thank you. Also thank you for hosting and see everyone post game.
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Post Post #3585 (isolation #116) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:06 am

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For a moment, I thought you guys were considering lynching alonzo
Another moment, I thought you guys were going to no lynch
Then another moment, skitter began talking about her streak... wth??

Just grateful you guys got back on track to get enigma . Good work on working together on last phase.
In post 3535, skitter30 wrote:i feel kinda silly defending enigma all game
Seriously I know right??? I even cased you & enigma during a point in the phase I replaced in lol. Thankfully you ruru & alonzo became quite townie later on.
In post 3536, skitter30 wrote:also finally since this game has been going on forever
Yeah such a long one haha
In post 3547, ruru wrote:I feel like enigma played really well, being last scum with an rb in the game is hard
I feel like bujaber did really well, enigma did good too at the end...just dragging it out/stalling so much. I was curious to see how much longer he could keep it up haha
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Post Post #3586 (isolation #117) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:10 am

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In post 3539, ofrhz wrote:Mod and Dead PTs will be released when I'm not feeling lazy

For other PTs, please request any redactions in the next (expired on 2018-11-03 22:00:00)
can we also get night actions each night?
also I'll get back to your message about my game - I have to check with the co-mod on something
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I started the game tilted and it didn't really untilt me
Eh it wasn't as bad as you thought it was. Honestly I've seen other players AND other moderators on and offsite, become demons - cursing, condescending others, going full insanity level in their messages. I've seen the good, bad, and ugly.
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Post Post #3587 (isolation #118) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:15 am

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In post 3565, Alonzo wrote:All I'l say is thank goodness scum killed A50 N1. That literally saved me from pushing A50 til it died =)
Oh man. Nice work for the most part, with the tpr !
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You guys did good catching bujaber. I was onto enigma virtually the entire game , he was too scummy. But bujaber did good. If it weren't for my backup mindset of "town works together," I wouldn't have gotten on the bujaber train on d3. For that, I'm very thankful for rest of town.

With that said though, buj was practically bussing his partner enigma the whole game LOL
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Post Post #3588 (isolation #119) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:20 am

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In post 3584, Korina wrote:Yea, this game was fun.
Nice to know that some of my reads were right, (namely that Ruru and Skitter were locktown from the very start).
Not really sure what Frank was doing however, so...

Vex served his purpose; I've proven to myself that, yea, I actually am a pretty decent player.

I guess I should go into why I wanted to play as Vex as well:
I've been debating on quitting FM for a while now, only because I just have felt like I'm a horrible player and that I've been a drag on all games that I was involved in. I created Vex as an attempt to just prove to myself that I really can play extremely well, and that my feelings were illogical. I decided to join a random open game without paying attention to anything about the game, only the setup, to see how well I could play.

Obviously I played really well which sorta carried over to Korina, however, at that point I was starting to lose interest so...

/shrug
Well I mean, in terms of quitting - I thought that way 3 years ago too. Somehow I returned to FM so it was a break instead of quitting the site. Sometimes in life, we just take a break and return. Same as my coed rec bball league, which is a TON of fun hehe.
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Post Post #3591 (isolation #120) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:28 am

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Yeah I Know what you mean. I feel like many games get that way, the longer they go.
Improving as a player is a great incentive to continue! That's one thing that made me return to FM.
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Post Post #3594 (isolation #121) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:24 am

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In post 3593, ofrhz wrote:Night actions
In post 0, ofrhz wrote:
Actions:

Pregame
- Mafia recruit Traitor. Enigma becomes Mafia Goon

Night 1
- Alonzo roleblocks Almost50 --> successful
- Enigma kills Almost50 --> successful
- ruru does not protect anyone

Night 2
- Alonzo roleblocks Enigma
- BuJaber kills Creature
- ruru does not protect anyone (actually she tries to bg Not_Mafia)

Night 3
- ruru bodyguards Alonzo
- Alonzo roleblocks Performer
- Enigma no kills

Night 4
- ruru bodyguards Alonzo
- Alonzo roleblocks Performer
- Enigma no kills

Night 5
- ruru bodyguards Alonzo -- fails
- Alonzo roleblocks ruru -- succeeds
- Enigma shoots Korina -- succeeds
fascinating...
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Post Post #3604 (isolation #122) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:21 pm

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In post 3600, Enigma wrote:Cheers for modding offers and all your timely vote counts, even if they werent pagetops all the time :)
Scum PT is fine to release nothing exciting in there lulz.

I can't play for the next few months :( Work has me on ridiculous travel schedules (over 50% for the next three months). PS duckling - this includes a trip to see the ducklings by the Torrens in Jan
dude what work do you do lol
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Post Post #3608 (isolation #123) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:03 pm

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In post 3605, Enigma wrote:I work in international development
Ah I see. Interesting
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