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Hiya guys
I'm gonna be posting from my main, only because I'd rather have all my games be under one account, and so that way I don't have to keep hitting my bookmarks, I'll reply from where I left off later.
Just got out of the shower.
I'm still Vex, I'm just wanting to play from main.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Some thoughts so far:
Don't really like Alonzo, still don't like tw.
Pending re-reads on everyone.
Alonzo I don't really like only because there should be at least some strong reads in that pile, not the "everyone is null/leans".
The reads feel really safe and feel like there's an easy way out if he ever gets called out.
I feel like Town is more likely to try to stick to a hard angle (strongly reading someone) versus scum who're more likely to not take a hard angle on others, only so they can easily get out of it later.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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I mean, it's more for my own sake.
I know I have to post if I can see with all my other posts that there are actually new posts I should reply to.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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For today, I'd be fine with seeing {Alonzo, tw, Gamma} hanged.
@mod Enigma needs a prod as well.
Gamma hasn't really done a whole lot to change my view of him being scum
Alonzo I just said, he has really weak feeling reads that really feel non-committal.
tw is just... tw just feels scummy in general.
Any one of them is a good lynch today IMO.
It also really feels like we're battling apathy here, (probably due to all the replaceouts).
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Doesn't really matter to me. I see that as scummy regardless.Alonzo wrote:I never lean hard town on anyone who Isn't mod confirmed.
It makes your reads feel really non-committal.
With hard-reading someone, if you try to change it, you're gonna get resistance from that.
With leans, you're really not gonna get a whole lot of resistance, making it a lot easier to actually change your reads and not really have to explain them.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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I don't find the fact they're TL;DR reads scummy.
I find the fact you have no strong reads scummy.
I could care less if you had strong reads and posted a TL;DR read-list.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Oi, stop trying to change what I said
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I don't use meta arguments.
Looking at my own meta, it really shows why its bad to look at meta arguments in general.
Plus, this game is different than that game, why should I try to compare two different time periods together to see how they overlap?GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Alright, I'll reformat some reads of mine, and sit down during my first few periods and actually work on them
Ignoring all other RL responsibilities I actually have like a project due Thursday, that I haven't startedGTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Currently have a really bad headache.
My replies are delayed until I can think straight and don't feel like my head will explode.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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tw if you haven't already, if not, do GEIn post 2012, Alonzo wrote: Korina whos next?GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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:blinks even slower:In post 2017, the worst wrote:
:blinks slowly:In post 2016, Korina wrote:
tw if you haven't already, if not, do GEIn post 2012, Alonzo wrote: Korina whos next?GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Because IMO that's a waste of a modifier.In post 2051, Irrelephant11 wrote:
But why do you assume scum didn't recruit traitor?In post 2027, BuJaber wrote:Traitor + groupscum left because cjv flipped goon.
And that also gives Town a greater chance of goon cop, (and for the GC to find an actual goon), unless scum takes extra modifiers to try to prevent the goon-cop from getting guilty, however that comes with the risk of town gettingmoreprs.
Realistically, scum wouldn't want that chance, so they'd leave traitor as traitor.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Slowly working on them.
Trying to parse through TW's iso and all the posts I grabbed from it...
which was basically a huge portion of them.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Also trying to figure out how I wanna go about reading Irrelephant considering that's the third replacement for that slot, and it just seems to be getting townier each replacement.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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I mean, ignoring the catching up, I'm more interested in what you have to say/have been posting.
Also, care to explain why you think Buj isn't traitor?GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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@Irrelephant
I'm in school.
Do you really expect me to work on reads while the teacher is teaching, meaning I can get in trouble for not working on school stuff?
I was looking through Ruru's ISO before needing to take a break, and other classes called.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Here's the TL;DR version of my reads, I'll be able to explain my reasoning sometime later, currently in school, and have a few projects/other things I gotta do today. Don't really expect me to be doing a whole lot with it as well until sometime later.
I also taken all the quotes I want for the wall reads yet, but have a general idea of what ones I wanna use.
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@skitter I started to get burned out from midday-1 only because the game was starting to drag on a bit, plus people started replacing out.
I've been less active today mainly because burn-out from everyone replacing out, my EISAL game I'm working on, in addition to school stuff. Going into D3, assuming we don't have a sheer number of replaceouts again nor just general apathy towards this game, I should be relatively active like I was early D1.
Another thing, faking town effort as scum is hard for me. I'm more concerned with giving away my partners as scum, which shows by me being more reserved in my posting, (or lack of posts), and me appearing to be awkward or nervous. Making giant walls as scum is just generally hard for me. Even in IRL games, it's hard for me to be active as scum. The times I am active as scum however, it's normally hollow work—its just me trying to look town for the sake of not getting SR'd.
I try to post as little as possible as scum to avoid giving away partners and to avoid accidentally slipping. If I do try posting a lot, my posts are normally heavily edited to try to mask my true goals. Contrast that with town!me, in which case, I just end up saying whatever I see going on. I don't have scum-buddies to give away, and to me, it doesn't really matter if I get hanged or NK'd. My goal is to try to draw the NK away from the people I think are town regardless if I'm VT or a TPR.
Buj is right on the other part of my scum-meta, (at least, I think it was Buj who said that): My posts feel much more awkward as scum. I don't realize that, but others certainly do. This is something I'm genuinely curious on, do any of my posts feel awkward to you Skitter?
Also, one of the other things I'd like to point out against me being scum: If I'm scum, and I know that I'm being universally TR'd, why would I choose to kill A50, not Creature? Scum!Me would know that any TPRs wouldn't bother wasting their night on me. They simply wouldn't. Why bother trying to check/rb/track/guard/shoot me when there are better targets to go after? Why would I try to kill a supposed TPR, instead of a confirmed TPR when he said that his hope was that if he was inactive, that scum would leave him alone?
Why wouldn't I have NK'd Creature when I know that 100% of the time, I could successfully do it? Sure, BG could flip and then we have Creature still alive, however, that means the next night, I'm guaranteed to kill another TPR, meaning that I'd know exactlyhow manyTPRs Town would have left.
Now, before you try to say "What if you're Traitor?", (because that'd mean I can't have a say in the NK), Traitor is a role I've never played as before. I would know both other scum-buddies, but they wouldn't know who I am. I'd be more awkward trying to play Traitor rather than Goon, (something I've played as before IRL). Wouldn't I also want to try to signal to my buddies who I am, so they knownotto NK me by accident? I also said that I don't really know any of you. I've barely played with you Skitter, A50, and Buj. I've obviously tried bettering my play-style from those games.
Hell, that was the entire purpose of Vex: An account that I could use just to prove to myself that I'm actually a decent FM player.
The other thing is as Traitor, I'd be more cautious to not out my buddies on accident, versus group-scum where at worst, I accidentally out the other, (assuming traitor isn't recruited). If I were to roll traitor under Vex, I'd still try to signal that I'm traitor somehow.
Final thing: I certainly wouldwant to switch to my main, (much less out my main, nor even try to hint at who my main was), if I rolled scum. Why? Because I know the exact second I say I'm Korina as scum, (or switched to this account), my meta gets double-checked, and then it gets determined I'm actually scum based on my posting.not
That's not to say my switch to my main (or me outing myself) is tactical in any way shape or form (to try to confirm me as town). Vex served its purpose much earlier than I really intended for it to: I proved to myself that I'm a decent FM player. I also switched to my main because I didn't really wanna have to switch between two accounts; Vex for this game alone and this account for literally all other games.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Why not?In post 2137, ruru wrote:okay so there's also another meta reason I'm scumreading bujaber but I don't want to say it right nowGTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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For the current moment I am.In post 2139, Irrelephant11 wrote:ppedit: oh hey korina's back
I have a few minutes rn before having to head home from school for the day.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Versus who? Anyone?GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Eh, I didn’t see anything in his ISO that made me really feel like hanging him.
If we’re at deadline, and we don’t have a better option, yea, sure, I’d be fine with hanging him.
Otherwise I don’t really see why lynching him is better than someone else.
My plan is to go look back at Mutant’s Jungle Republic and see how Buj’s posting style compares to this game. I think I was TRing him in that game, and if my reasoning for his TR there is the same as here, I’m willing to lynch him under the presumption he’s scum.
I also highly doubt that Buj isthatgood to the point where he can play the exact same way as town or scum.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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I'm not sure what to make of the "did scum bus or not" thing, part of me 100% agrees that scum were on NM's wagon, considering the second he replaced in we already wanted to PL him.In post 2150, Irrelephant11 wrote:wait wow let's talk more about this
@anyone thinking scum didn't bus
NM flipped and then so did A50
That means you think scum:
A] were both voting Gamma Emerald
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B] were Gamma Emerald and one of the people voting Gamma Emerald (meaning only two votes at EOD were not on scum)
So scum like almost definitely bussed? Which is already the conclusion to make when they shoot off wagon...
Which I guess makes my argument that tw didn't bus sound dumber
Maybe it is dumber
I still think he's a suboptimal lynch for riding the slot across two wagons and all the way to lynch
But since yeah, scum almost definitely bussed, my argument for it being one of enigma/skitter/ruru/vex makes sense again
I still think enigma is the most likely, but I've kind of been operating on "this looks enough like townskitter" without going in depth there
ditto ruru, though I don't know ruru's meta much at all (just sheeping it)
Like @world what do you think about this eod vc? Gamma looks sorta towny for it
I don't think it was Ruru who was trying to bus, nor Skitter. I know it certainly wasn't me.
That leaves Enigma...
Enigma's vote on NM was L-1, and all Enigma put was "Trollylololol".
There was no L-1 announcement for that vote.
Enigma has to be the scum out of that, only by POE, unless ofrhz really screwed up and hasn't fixed it.
Currently re-evaluating Enigma. Don't really like the "TW is town by RNG" pointIn post 2151, the worst wrote:
This is agenda-eyIn post 2113, Enigma wrote:
IMO RNG is not a valid excuse for townreading duck.In post 2110, Irrelephant11 wrote:guys why are we punishing tw for flipping scum in our reads?
Like if we flip green once or twice and we're confused then we should probably challenge our assumptions,,,
But until then anyone who's pushing tw for TMI-ing the lynch is also just punishing good town play if he's town (which RNG says he is likely to be)
Like one time tw survived till near endgame as SK by actually shooting most of the scumteam
If he's scum and wants his own team dead let's sheep him, not kill him
anyway
I'm still not totally caught up but I don't understand tw scumreads rn
Bussing one partner is a thing. Bussing both partners a bit more risky. CJV/NM was a doomed slot.
Not sure how duck read CJV so strongly when he was site flaking and barely had any posts here.
anyone who disagrees is bad
@Korina @Creature thoughts on Enigma's play like right now?
You do realize that I'm Vex, and you literally just asked me for my opinion on something, right?In post 2158, the worst wrote:
it just kinda dawned on me that we're really bad if we lynch off wagon l m a oIn post 1559, ofrhz wrote:Not_Mafia (7): the worst, ruru, skitter30,Vex Vience, Creature,Enigma,ejjinamiLYNCH
viable d2 lynches bolded
How is it wifom-y?In post 2161, the worst wrote:
W A L LIn post 2136, Korina wrote:started
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Also, if you want my honest thought process TW, that was it.
Sorry, but that's my thought process on that one.
I don't like reading people via meta. I'll read people via typing style, but not how they're playing.In post 2163, the worst wrote:
who elseIn post 2146, Korina wrote:Eh, I didn’t see anything in his ISO that made me really feel like hanging him.
If we’re at deadline, and we don’t have a better option, yea, sure, I’d be fine with hanging him.
Otherwise I don’t really see why lynching him is better than someone else.
My plan is to go look back at Mutant’s Jungle Republic and see how Buj’s posting style compares to this game. I think I was TRing him in that game, and if my reasoning for his TR there is the same as here, I’m willing to lynch him under the presumption he’s scum.
I also highly doubt that Buj isthatgood to the point where he can play the exact same way as town or scum.
why not
who else
hurry up w meta reads if you're gonna do them
who else
ufhfdhdhdjdjfnfmkf this is shameless stalling
Typing style is much harder to manipulate IMO.
You can change how you're gonna act, but its harder to change how you're gonna say something unless you edit it to hell, which if you do that to all your posts? That means it takes so much longer to actually get out posts.
Y'know, I'm not actually sure what my thought process was on TRing you in that game.In post 2166, BuJaber wrote:I want to know why he townread me that game actually That game was multi-ball it was easy to fake scumhunt because I was actually scumhunting. But it didn't really fly with most.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Did you even read it?In post 2172, the worst wrote:except that he constantly blurts that lurking is his scum meta?
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I think that's the definition of WIFOm
Please be honest for the whole class.
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VOTE: gamma
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@Ofrhz, I'm playing under Korina, not vex
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I don't like TW's hammer post as well.
I'll start to try to case TW/Enigma in a bit.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Alright, tring TW a bit more seeing their thought process.
I'm also gonna have to come back to this game when I don't feel like crap nor have several tests to study for, (so probably later today after a nap).
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Replacing who?In post 2537, ofrhz wrote:Is everybody here ok with a hydra replacing into a slot? If not, let me know either in thread or by PM in the next, say, 20 hours.
I'm here, having friends over rn, will post thoughts when they leave.In post 2569, Irrelephant11 wrote:Well on another note I’m sorta townreading enigma’s most recent posts
Which I recognize would be convenient timing if he’s my partner but I especially like his point about how to catch skitter late game
I’m approaching a place where no scumteam makes strong sense to me except maybe tw/BuJ with tw as traitor
I’d have to be right about the replacement being nai
Anyway that’s where my heads at
Korina where you at
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I'll post it in the morning when I have a clear mind on it.
Currently looking through posts (around 96-98), and I'm not seeing anything that's pinging me, which is my cue that I'm clearly doing things wrong.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Alright, I'm up now, working on my thoughts of the last several pages + reads.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Yea, I got really busy when I was taking a break, and didn't get a chance to work on it. Currently continuing it. Sorry in advance for it taking so long!In post 2588, skitter30 wrote:
is this happening ... ?In post 2583, Korina wrote:Alright, I'm up now, working on my thoughts of the last several pages + reads.
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To be completely honest, I'm not sure where I'd be wanting to lynch here today.In post 2317, skitter30 wrote:where do u think we should be lynching today?
I'd have to re-evaluate my reads overall to decide that.
Alright, what do you wanna talk about?
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The following posts are just naked votes from ruru, which I personally don't like. Care to explain them ruru?====
You weren't before...?In post 2337, ruru wrote:I will be actually playing the game now
Yea, I actually do agree. I'm not really getting the same vibes as Jungle Republic for example, I feel like he's more aggressive as scum, and willing to throw more shade than what I've really seen so far.In post 2340, ruru wrote:so, I still think bujaber is scum
bujaber is regularly a highposter as town and even excluding the replacement and v/la timings his posts per day are just lower than expected and it feels like he's not really doing much
despite this, other people who also weren't doing much (gamma/enigma) had much more shade thrown on them which makes me think it's a scum agenda thing.
oh, and I guess gamma also attempted to cfd bujaber d1 so there's that
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I'm planning on ISO diving him later however.
I mean, you were in FFB with me. You have a pretty good idea of what my scum-meta really is.In post 2350, BuJaber wrote:The only thing I'm sure of here is that skitter and Vex are town. But korina has since really dropped his posting and enthusiasm which is meh but like I really don't think he can pull of the townspamming as scum. Particularly the parts where he's so sure he's on par with creature on the NK-attractiveness scale.
Very short, (awkward) posts, mostly lurking, etc.
Contrast that with my town play, which is literally the exact opposite thing, (at least in terms of activity, and length of posts).
Another thing I saw when looking through my scum-games (for another game), I realized that I ignore my partners. In FFB, I ignored all of Lovebird's posts. I didn't address her at all.
In NOIR, I acknowledged that NM existed, however, that was one post and I didn't reply to any of his other posts nor did I reply to MD's posts.
Also, if you're gonna try to say "what if I didn't know that" or "well I still could be groupscum":
1) I actually didn't realize that before looking at it for another game. If I did, I would've said that.
2) I did reply to Ceejay, however, I can't really address a lurking slot.
Why do you like #1?In post 2372, ruru wrote:oh, so in other news, we have different options today and I'm not sure which is best:
1. massclaim
2. no lynch, massclaim tomorrow
3. lynch, massclaim tomorrow (if green)
I'm not sure if #3 is that good actually
I tentatively like #1 I think?
I'm personally fine with #2.
Like?In post 2373, ruru wrote:like it's possible there are too many innos on lynchable players for us to effectively play the game today and thatplus a few other things are making me interested in just massclaiming today
Wdym?In post 2367, ruru wrote:
actually I guess technically groupscum might know this too if they recruited traitorIn post 2364, ruru wrote:because only the traitor would know they can't get cleared by a flip
in any case it's scummy
I'm not following here.
I'm still not following how NLing with RBer is bad.In post 2389, ruru wrote:the main issue with no lynch is that if a roleblocker exists it's extremely bad.
Lynching today without a massclaim seems wrong
I'm thinking we should massclaim rb/vig at the very least
I get the "if RBer blocks NK" thing, but is that reallythatbad?
How so? I'm leaning null-town on TW/Preformer atm.In post 2395, Irrelephant11 wrote:yeah okay the worst can be scum
Right hereIn post 2401, ruru wrote:Where's korina
How are you getting there? I'm kinda seeing it, but not fully.In post 2405, skitter30 wrote:kinda think alonzo is town tbh
Ngl, I actually agree with this post in general, (the later part at least). I'm not sure how I'm counting this in general, but, it's certainly something to keep note of.In post 2423, the worst wrote:I am not used to seeing the quality of your posting and reads GO DOWN in later day phases. in my experience you've been like a beacon of lucidity; you're meant to make sense when other people don't. (yes, from both scumming against you and sky's jester game to an extent)
You've dropped back to tunnelling and shitposting. You can't keep a stable vote. When asked to explain your reads you squirm.
What's up with you here?
This is a post I generally wanted to reply to, @tw, if you're still reading the game, I don't mind discussing why you find my thought process scummy, but, I actually agree with this. I've had several others tell me before (namely in IRL games) that my thought process is so weirdly different, that it's hard to think how I do.In post 2426, the worst wrote:I don't trust korina because I can't think the way he thinks which always leaves me like "this is a wolf right" and after noir I find it really hard to back down from this.
I actually do agree with this post from TW. I'm not sure I would call Enigma as being scum solely on this post, however, I do agree that Enigma trying to take the pagetops isn't particularly helpful.In post 2438, the worst wrote:i am very angery with myself for survivalistically hammering gamma right now
day two of this game was really fucking stupid. enigma is a wolf.
i'm sorry but opening the game with "intent to shitpost and grab pagetops" is not towny. it's not tonally towny, it's not laissez-faire, it's not carefree, it's an excuse to prodge. it is dead null at most.
first game related comment I can see (barring setup spec bc he said nothing noteworthy during it) is:
traitor fishing, shortly followed byIn post 77, Enigma wrote:I would be so upset if later this we find out that you weren't joking with this lol
a response to the player who he's traitor fishing, followed byIn post 81, Enigma wrote:
a response to the player who he's traitor fishing, followed byIn post 78, ruru wrote:Suppose you're a scum at L1 and you have to decide what to claim, you have information that town will probably believe n+1 PRs existing, so you claim PR
Why wouldn't scum just fake claim regardless of our discussion, claiming VT doesn't really help them out at L-1 anyways so at least could just take their chances with a CC bait or potentially get away with it?In post 90, Enigma wrote:
Hypothetically yes, but unfortunately town has a tendency to lynch VTs claims and let TPRs get off...In post 87, ruru wrote:If scum really claimed pr every time then town could just confirm themselves by claiming vt
Another thing is that there is very little defence once a TPR is outed in this set up. No docs, watchers, JKs, etc. Bodyguard is less than ideal - i.e. very little to discourage scum NKing TPRs if they CC.
asking someone to explain their read on the player who he's traitor fishing.In post 101, Enigma wrote:
Explain?In post 97, Antihero wrote:i like ruru's entrance
also ....
pedit: sigh
like this is literally either "shitposting w ruru bc ruru is funny" or it's a wolf who smells a traitor and is excited.
someone else please tell me if you feel another motivation to his game entrance here. i know it's page 4 but like game mindsets have a tendency to spew a lot about where a person's at entering the thread so if someone wants to work thru what's going on here without being like "but the woooorst it's only page foooour" i'd be super happy ♥♥
I also agree on this post, the entire "what if he's an alt?" post just feels off. It feels like a cheap attempt at trying to throw suspicion on me followed by a flimsy reasoning to justify that. So what if I do actually have experence in these types of setups? That literally has no over-all effect on how players should be reading me.In post 2440, the worst wrote:
pretty funny my pred gets flak for this but Engima gets away with itIn post 20, Enigma wrote:
If he steals ma page tops, ima lynch himIn post 18, Vex Vience wrote:im assuming that creature just gets obvtowned early on?
whatever i'm just being salty. other important part of his entrance is incoming:
thanks to vex during setup spec for providing hard figures; not a lot to read into but i'm tryna follow his mindset as below so worth throwing inIn post 41, Enigma wrote:Actually thanks vex that’s quite useful. I was too lazy to look myself, partly because of what you mentioned about mods not flipping on post 0.
What’s interesting is that it’s 15 games, so from glance of numbers the average no of mods per game is quite low.
there's...not really a reason to shade the fact Vex exists here fmpov?In post 44, Enigma wrote:
Even considering that he’s an alt?In post 40, skitter30 wrote:
yeah i agree overallIn post 37, Almost50 wrote:Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.
like the fact he's an alt doesn't really inform my read of vex come p4. the only thing it does for me (knowing he's korina) is suggests i'm prolly gonna reach a net wolfread because i don't know how to get into his head.
the shade throw is wonky. but let's be positive and treat it as a #staywoke moment.
responses incoming
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yee it kinda goes without saying something is missing from enigma's presence in this conversation
like...any intent to sort whatsoever
is fine talking w Vex basically 100% NAI interaction with no intent of sorting, and thenIn post 74, Enigma wrote:
Nah doesn't bother me so much, meta only takes you so far when scumhuntingIn post 73, Vex Vience wrote:also enigma are u just generally against alts?
im getting that feeling from u
Whilst I don't think its super productive, agree with Vex its fine to boot us out of RVS. I wouldn't say its helping scum unless people are literally softclaiming their TPRs, in which case helping scum CC is the least of our worries...In post 67, ruru wrote:I think it's like actively antitown because it informs scum's decision of what to claim
i'm not really vibing that town!igma added the "what if he's an alt!" shade into the Vex conversation and then lolvotes him about 50 posts later. especially when he shows like no active interest in sorting the slot and voteparks this for like a week (ending below)
In post 541, Enigma wrote:1. Don't CC any fake claims
2. Vote for who you want to (hypo) vig with hurt tags
3. Hypo cop results tomorrow
UNVOTE:
Waiting a bit
It just means that I'd probably be a bit better at the setup than the others, however, that doesn't really change how I'd play, (and therefore get read by the others).
How so? I could see Enigma flipping scum, and I could also see Ruru flipping scum, (mainly based on her most recent posting).In post 2471, skitter30 wrote:
Idk. Like i cant really wrap my gead around it and it doesnt really make sense to meIn post 2469, the worst wrote:really? why not?
Ehhhhhhhh I really don't like this post. I'm generally fine with sheeping, however, like, if you're just gonna sheep all game, I don't really like it.In post 2475, ruru wrote:I'm basically sheeping players who are better than me on it not being a towny thing to say
This doesn't really affect my ruru read, however, it's something I'd like to point out.
I'm not reaully sure what to make of TW replacing out. On one hand, I'd say that it is somewhat townie, however, on the other, I kinda feel like TW actually got fed up with Ruru and wanted to replace, making it NAI for me.In post 2511, skitter30 wrote:Idk what do you think about tw's repout? I think thats kinda townie fir him tbh
Why's that?In post 2528, ruru wrote:and I really think we should just massclaim today
Hello person.In post 2533, Performer wrote:hey everyone!
Thanks for the welcome, skitter.
I am absolutely not reading 100+ pages.
Things to do:
-figure out why tw voted ruru
-do some ISOs
-prioritize sorting alonzo as he's the only person I know in the 7 other people
Day 1:In post 2534, Performer wrote:Also, can I get a summary of what's happened so far? That would be great.
- Creature got revealed as IC.
- We discussed setup spec and other things.
- Like half the player list replaced out
- Deadline got extended really far.
- I revealed that I was Vex
- Eventually NM replaced in, and we agreed to lynch him.
- NM flipped Mafia Goon
Day 2:
- A50 died, he flipped VT.
- We continued discussing things.
- I replaced Vex, only to have all games under one account.
- We eventually agreed to lynch Gamma, who flipped VT.
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There's my catch-up thoughts.
My VPN either got blocked by my school or my vpn broke, so that post got delayed a bit longer.
P-Edit: @Alonzo, you were with me in NOIR, does my play seem similar to NOIR?GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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I'm just gonna keep the hardclaim cycle going.
I'm a VT.
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@Irrel, I've played one major scum-game, and then NOIR.
I don't play on any other sites.
Where would I get the confidence/experience to play so hard against my own meta, much less bethatconfident in my own ability to play as scum, to the point where I would be considering to out myself and switch to my main?
I've also been busy with school stuff since the quarter is wrapping up, and I've been trying to figure out where I'm screwing up my reads, and trying to figure out exactly what I'm thinking of Enigma and Preformer.
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And yet you weren't on Creature last night...?In post 2690, ruru wrote:I'm bodyguard lol
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VOTE: ruru
Alright.
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Also looking at it,@mod, you said Creature was a VT in the dead list, not an IC.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Looking at it this way: Ruru certainly gets the NK if she's being truthful, because there's only one person she'd reasonably protect at this point, since she didn't do it in the first place: Alonzo.
However, I don't like the entire "I don't value Creature's life over my own" when it's even better for town to have a dead bg and an IC going into D3 versus the other way around.
Dead bg means IC gets NK'd that night for certain. Nothing can stop that NK.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Ruru, please tell me you are not braindead and that you understand that having a confirmed townie alive is way more important than having a BG alive.
Obviously, when you claim, you get killed, therefore, your maximum potential is to delay a night-kill on another PR.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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I'll save you time on #2: I said that it was unlikely for scum to take all three, however, I thought they'd have certainly taken two: Daytalk and {JOAT, Rolecop}.
Here's the quotes that were relevant:In post 43, Vex Vience wrote:
roughly about 1.2 mods/gameIn post 41, Enigma wrote:Actually thanks vex that’s quite useful. I was too lazy to look myself, partly because of what you mentioned about mods not flipping on post 0.
What’s interesting is that it’s 15 games, so from glance of numbers the average no of mods per game is quite low.
which is quite interesting in general
if im scum id wanna take around two mods not oneIn post 33, Vex Vience wrote:i think scum were very likely to take:
daytalk, joat and rolecop if they took three
i don't think they did, and im 100% sure they did take daytalk meaning for me its between {joat/rc} for scum second modGTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Quick thought before I get off for the night:
The only scum-modifier that was reasonably taken if it is one modifier is JOAT.
Recruit Traitor is a waste regardless. Free PR and extra shot for a possible GC, plus added guilty for GC, so that means another modifier needs to be taken with it, unless scum feel like gambling on that.
Daytalk is weak as a modifier on its own, (and in addition to that, if I am scum, and convinced my scumbuddy to take daytalk, I wouldn't have outed myself.)
Bulletproof is really only good at trying to prevent a possible vig, and even then, it's not really worth trying to take a modifier to prevent a 1/6 chance.
Rolecop is only good if scum take two or three mods, because that's 4/9 or 5/9 non-VT feedback chance. 1/3 isn't really worth giving an extra PR for.
JOAT is the only modifier that could reasonably be left if scum took only one modifier since they're getting two separate one-shot abilities for it.
This could also all be circumvented if Ruru/Alonzo is trying to gambit-PR claim.
About that as well, there is exactly a 0% chance of both of them flipping VT. I thought about fake-claiming PR to try to draw the NK onto myself, but then I realized I can't.
- I couldn't claim IC since:
1) Creature was the IC
2) I would've been revealed at the start of D1.
- I couldn't claim BG since I'd have been killed last night, and Creature would've been alive still.
- I couldn't claim Vig since that brings up questions about why I never shot anyone, which if I try to lie on that one, that ends up with a ML.
- I couldn't claim RBer since Alonzo already claimed it.
- I could claim GC, however, that'd mean that whoever I hypo-inno'd would be "town" until I flipped and it was revealed that I was a VT, which, hurts town more than it helps.
UNVOTE: ruru
I'm gonna ISO dive people later.
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He was forced to claim...In post 2716, Performer wrote:Isn't there 1 more person who didn't claim?
I seriously don't like that answer from ruru, looks very suspicious.
Bg role is created to protect others, especially prs.
I think this is literally the first time I've ever seen this kind of reasoning and really , really don't like it. I mean, who says they don't want to protect Alonzo at this point with the mass claiming going around? That's the only answer they should give at this point .
At the same time - if she fake claimed, that is next to suicide for scum to do. On top of that, this is basically suicide from what ruru is saying if she is scum...so I'm inclined to think she can't be scum saying such things.
Also why did Creature of all people, claim his IC role on d1 in post 5?? What the!?
This G A I M is messed up.
Anyway, trying to think if it makes sense with 12 - goon, traitor, another scum role, IC, town rb, town bg. Considering the setup features, it actually sounds plausible .
He wasn't the "I can reveal whenever I want" IC, he was the "You are revealed at the start of D1" IC
I also have thoughts about this post that I wanna bring up, but I need to sleep. I'll do it when I get up.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Also, everyone claimed:
Alonzo - RBer
Ruru - BG
Preformer, Skitter, Korina, Buj, Irrel, Enigma - VTGTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Do you mean Ruru?In post 2726, BuJaber wrote:Like if Alonzo doesn't get killed he is 100% scum here.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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IMO, daytalk is incredibly useful. Sure, it gives town an extra PR, however, it allows scum to coordinate so much better that it basically makes up for the extra PR they would've given Town, assuming both scum could utilize it effectively.
Also BP/Daytalk were the least picked. A total of 0 games had that as a chosen modifier.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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No, recruit traitor is bad.
Really bad.
That means there's a 50% chance of there being a GC, and then the GC has a 25% of getting a guilty.
It's not worth taking the extra chance of there being Goon Cop, and on top of that, the extra guilty unless you take something else with it.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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@Skitter Personally, I'd rather take JOAT over Daytalk. If I knew my partner was really good at scum-play, I'd consider taking it, however, I'd rather save it for a scum PR and to help prevent a possible guilty from a GC. Daytalk is just a free PR for town.
I'd disagree. RBer is actually the safest claim that Scum!Alonzo could make without bringing up questions, gambitting or shooting himself down the line. I didn't get into details on why I would've thought about fake-claiming RBer in #2715, but, my logic would've been that only scum or another PR would know that I lied about it.In post 2752, Irrelephant11 wrote:@skitter you've already said this game the only modifier you'd take is daytalk..?
What will this town do re:Alonzo's slot if ruru dies tonight and then Alonzo lives to mylo? Just trying to think how believable I think his claim is, especially since only two players claimed after him (few enough that even if both ruru and skitter were PRs it would sound reasonable for him to also be a PR)
Oh wait I see the hole in this logic already... Scum!Alonzo knew only one of them would claim PR but not what they'd claim, and definitely not that one of them would claim BG, so claiming roleblocker was pretty risky there if scum
Still, though, the question remains: what will happen if Alonzo is alive in mylo? I don't want to let him coast there off this claim.
pedit: lol skitter I guess that sort of answers my original question
It's actually a pretty safe claim.
The only way it could be disproven is if:
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Several problems I have with this post:In post 2764, Performer wrote:Here's a thought - we leash alonzo onto who he & us agree to be blocked. That should help us narrow things down.
If town and failed = he dies since scum kills him
If town and succeeded = that's great, likely confirmed scum target
If he succeeded but the block target flipped green after lynch = lynch alonzo next day with prejudice since that means he lied
1a) If Ruru is BG, Ruru will flip before Alonzo flips, so his RB failing wouldn't mean anything in the first place.
1b) If Ruru isn't BG, but rather is groupscum, Alonzo isn't dying. It'd be suicidal for Ruru to fake-claim BG, then to kill Alonzo in the first place.
2a) Regardless of if the kill goes through while Alonzo RBs them doesn't confirm anything. Scum are not forced to kill, they could choose not to kill.
2b) Along that same vein, what happens if scum decide to not kill anyone the night Alonzo RBs someone who is pretty well TR'd, to try to frame said player and make us think they're scum?
2c) If the player is the traitor, your theory falls apart instantly. Traitor doesn't have the NK, so they can't do anything, ergo RBing them would do nothing.
3) If scum don't kill, and we choose to lynch whoever Alonzo RB'd, and they flip green, that doesn't mean we should instantly lynch Alonzo. Hell, if we were to go through with this and Alonzo flipped green, I'd bet you're flipping red.
I have no idea what you're getting at here.In my case on enigma , he included irrel, me, buj, and alonzo in his ISO of people to lynch/sr but didn't include nm. Alonzo NOT looking at enigma this d3 phase with no reasoning afaik, is alarming by itself.
I'm not really getting the same vibes from Buj's ISO that I'd expect from Town!Buj. Part of me keeps going back to Open 713 because his play is sorta reminding me of that game atm.On a related note, I have a bad feeling about buj , as in I don't think he's scum here.
Him voting enigma after I posted my case on enigma, actually makes sense from a town perspective because enigma pushed for buj AND my death, and I absolutely am town here. So buj's vote on enig makes sense as a town process.
How would that work then? Alonzo would know that Enigma is groupscum, I don't really think trying to PR claim would constitute a traitor-signal.In post 2769, Performer wrote:
Going by what the setup says, there's IS a traitor. And I was saying alonzo could be traitor and enigma could be the groupscum with nm, who flipped red. Anyway, that's just my hypothetical .In post 2765, skitter30 wrote:performer's either town or groupscum without a traitor imo because i feel like he doesn't really understand the whole 'recruit traitor' notion
Scum is allowed to recruit the traitor. That takes up one of their three modifiers, however, it's a waste of a modifier IMO.At the same time I don't see what you mean by "recruit traitor." I'm under the impression that if scum chose that, they can recruit the traitor?
Well in that case couldn't alonzo still have possibly fake claimed with enigma no matter who is who?
I thought this post was scummy for a few minutes, then I re-read it and it made sense.In post 2773, Irrelephant11 wrote:But like
If he's traitor
Then fhpov it's justtruethat enigma getting roleblocked means enigma is conftown
So do you think Preformer is traitor then Irrel?
While I don't think scum recruited traitor, what do you do if that's the case? They just know to have the other preform the kill.In post 2776, Irrelephant11 wrote:To not be rude and ignore the player I'm scumreading...
@performer I don't think we need to leash Alonzo but he should definitely tell us his targets in advance
But for that to work ruru 100% needs to BG him
pedit: Performer are you scumreading Alonzo for changing his reads? If there's more to it than that please explain
Ruru also needs to be on Alonzo, otherwise if Alonzo dies, Ruru just gets policy'd at that point because clearly Ruru is not BG. And if Ruru does flip BG, then that's a wonderful throw.
If Ruru dies tonight, then we re-consider that.
If Ruru doesn't die tonight, we don't do that until Ruru is dead and Alonzo is at risk.
Also, why would Preformer SR Alonzo for changing his reads?
So are you saying that it's {Alonzo, Enigma}?In post 2779, Performer wrote:@irrelephant his changing in reads and being noncommital to enigma, as well as claiming he blocked him on n2 , make sense to me if alonzo is fake claiming as scum. When I played with him in 2 games as town, he wasn't as noncommital.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
If Ruru is town, and Alonzo is scum, I'm not entirely sold on Ruru being killed. Alonzo could try to force MLs from that.I need to think over the ruru having to bg alonzo idea:
if town bg on scum rb, bg dies
if scum bg on town rb, rb dies
if both town, rb dies
if both scum, well damn.
actually you're right there. Never mind me idea, I agree with ruru on alonzo and alonzo designating his target.
If Ruru is scum, and Alonzo is town, Ruru cannot kill Alonzo, otherwise Ruru will get hanged for lying about being BG, because at this point, Alonzo is who Ruru needs to be on.
If both of them are town, the BG dies before Alonzo does.
If both of them are scum, that just means that this game is fucked.
I still think because Alonzo can't be killed tonight, he shouldn't say who he RB'd in case they recruited traitor.
There's two possible reds Enigma could flip: Groupscum and Traitor.In post 2781, Performer wrote:Waiiiit a minute. alonzo claims to have blocked enigma n2, enigma on d3 said irrel/alonzo/buj were his sr. This was BEFORE alonzo's claim.
So , I am thinking that if enigma flips red & alonzo flips green, this means there is 3 group scum and no traitor. Because an nk still occurred on n2 despite alonzo blocking enigma.
alonzo claimed rb on enigma n2>kill still happened>if enigma flips red, 1 other scum left because of kill on n2
You are assuming here that Enigma flips groupscum, and that Alonzo flips green. If that is the case, yes, they recruited traitor. There literally is no way around it unless we have a vig who didn't claim, (or Enigma flipped JOAT, which means the RB would've been potentially useless.)
However, what if Enigma flips traitor? Regardless of Alonzo flipping green, it only confirms that the modifier scum took wasn't recruit traitor. That's all it does.
How would Scum!Enigma know to use strongman on n2, even before Alonzo claimed RBer, much less beIn post 2783, Performer wrote:Ok .
UNVOTE:
So alonzo did rb on enigma on n2....but there were still ways it could've failed, seeing as Creat died.
What if scum had JOAT - so they could 1-shot strongman, and used that on n2 against creat? The post 2 details in the game, say it can't be blocked.
Despite that, I am starting to see that bujaber is probably the better vote now.thatcertain they'd get RB'd?
What are your thoughts on this rn?Still not liking the magical addition of me into his sr list with irrelephant and me as bujaber's sr. No explanation at all after scrolling through his more recent posts. Intent to vote bujaber, but I want to hear from alonz & enigma first.
This entire post I agree with. This post really sums up my entire thought process:In post 2785, ruru wrote:I don't think alonzo should telegraph his target today because it's a disaster if bujaber is town and scum recruited traitor, not to mention it gives scum more information on who to shoot
alonzo is living tomorrow to claim tonight's target unless he roleblocks me so there's no benefit in telegraphing
(and if I'm scum somehow thinking solo pushing for massclaim a day early and fakeclaiming bg is a good idea, then I'm shooting someone other than alonzo tonight 100% of the time anyway)
- If scum recruited traitor, they just use the other person to kill.
- Alonzo certainly is living tonight. Period.
- Ruru certainly is on Alonzo tonight, meaning that Ruru flips before Alonzo.
- If Ruru is fake-claiming BG, she's shooting someone else that isn't Alonzo, because shooting Alonzo while fake-claiming BG is suicide.
- Alonzo is not RBing Ruru.
Why would we lynch a PR? I said that trying to fake-claim to draw away the NK was a bad idea in general, and explained why it was bad. I don't think scum would beIn post 2803, BuJaber wrote:
What are you talking about?In post 2783, Performer wrote:Still not liking the magical addition of me into his sr list with irrelephant and me as bujaber's sr. No explanation at all after scrolling through his more recent posts. Intent to vote bujaber, but I want to hear from alonz & enigma first.
You guys didn't magically appear in my scumreads.
Tw was my hypo inno so I had to pretend I townread him. When we massclaimed this was not needed at all. Same with alonzo. If he hadn't claimed PR I'd be pushing for his lynch right now, but he did and we can easily confirm his alignment by him getting killed tonight if ruru is lying or tomorrow if ruru isn't lying.thatbold to try to fake-claim in the first place.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Basically:
Alonzo isn't dying tonight. If he does, we lynch Ruru.
Alonzo shouldn't say who he's rbing
I think Preformer is confused town.
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I'm pretty sure that it's {Buj, Enigma}.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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What specifically?In post 2813, Performer wrote:In post 2811, Korina wrote:Basically:
Alonzo isn't dying tonight. If he does, we lynch Ruru.
Alonzo shouldn't say who he's rbing
I think Preformer is confused town.
I think Buj is just scum.
Can you expand on this?In post 2812, Korina wrote:I'm pretty sure that it's {Buj, Enigma}.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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