Mini Normal 2040: Day 4

[DVa]

BEF wasn't a TPR, he was a named utility modifier

[Elsa Jay]

... Which is a Town Power Role? I dont see the difference.

[DVa]

Based on Auro's flip I'm thinking he was probably protective for town vs a scum gunsmith but I don't want to deep dive into setup spec since it tends to hurt more than help tbh, but there's a good chance *he thought* he was actually negative utility which is why he did such a derp claim. He was basically claiming miller.

[DVa]

Miller isn't a TPR, he was either a Miller for a town gunsmith or a false positive for a scum gunsmith, leaning the second but could be either

[Carmen]

I claimed "informed mafia" because I was in a game recently that had that brought up as a possibility, so I was seeing if Fish was informed and i was trying to get shot by the mafia to prove if they're informed.

How would you know that mafia are informed in your theoretical scenario? Are you saying you expected mafia to believe that

you

were informed that there was a

mafia

informed?

[Carmen]

Why were you originally planning to claim Vanilla Cop?

[Elsa Jay]

No, I wanted them to shoot me if they were informed about there being a Daycop. But then again, if they

were

informed they would know I was lying and not shoot me...

So I guess they could be informed since they didn't shoot me? I didnt think this through.

Pedit: the VC was too get shot or WIFOM the fuck out of the game obviously, but since Fish day 1 did it, I'm not trying my hand at that shit anymore.

[Almost50]

because I think I don't understand anything now.

You're not alone, pal. The more I try to reread the less I feel confident in anything at all. Like, what's a N8 Vig doing in a 10-player setup? Why didn't Auro use his Vig shot? Why did BEF feel the need to make that circus? Why was Auro the NK over .. erm.. presumably anyone else? Why are people voting other people without stating a reason for it?

Oh, well.. let me try.. let's focus on the first question and try to make sense of the BEF flip first. A N8 Vig is basically a named Townie. Right? I mean, we're never going to have 8 Days, or even 5 for that matter, so .. we probably have a Neapolitan?? Can anyone think of any other reason why the mod/game designer felt the need to include a N8 Vig in the setup?

[Elsa Jay]

To get shot or CCd by the other vigilante or something? Some mods can be a dick like that.

[Elsa Jay]

As for Auro not shooting... Guess he wasn't confident in a n1 shot or was confident he himself wasnt getting shot?

Poor luck on us it regardless.irregardless

[Carmen]

No, I wanted them to shoot me if they were informed about there being a Daycop. But then again, if they were informed they would know I was lying and not shoot me...

If you didn't believe that BEF was a daycop (which you shouldn't have if you're town) and you yourself are not a daycop, there is literally no reason for you to believe that mafia would be informed about the existence of a daycop.

[Almost50]

I think weirdly, so let me explain while I head out to eat.

I claimed "informed mafia" because I was in a game recently that had that brought up as a possibility, so I was seeing if Fish was informed and i was trying to get shot by the mafia to prove if they're informed.

I

knew

he was lying, but on the off chance I helped the real PR not get shot, I was trying to do the Elsa special and fuck everything up for them.

Didn't expect him to turn out to be the real damn TPR fake claiming or ANOTHER TPR to get shot.

Knowing EJ, this looks like how town him would in fact go about it. He's a nasty manipulator as both alignments, but his propositions here do not come from Scum!him, I don't think. Plus it could have baited a VIG shot on him as well (and we know now that -at least- Auro could've shot EJ).

[Carmen]

His reasoning there does not make logical sense. It doesn't follow.

[Carmen]

Plus it could have baited a VIG shot on him as well (and we know now that -at least- Auro could've shot EJ).

"Post hoc, ergo propter hoc."

[DVa]

irt Auro -- he only had one shot; he wasn't widely scumread and had no reason to prove his night action on n1, and his hit % only goes up longer the game goes and more information he has to work with. I mean there's a thread in general of whether people should be modkilled for shooting n1 as vig lol

[Almost50]

Based on Auro's flip I'm thinking he was probably protective for town vs a scum gunsmith but I don't want to deep dive into setup spec since it tends to hurt more than help tbh, but there's a good chance *he thought* he was actually negative utility which is why he did such a derp claim. He was basically claiming miller.

2 things: Scum!GS is just as plausible as Town!GS. If you bring up "Miller" then how come you didn't think of a Town GS? (I didn't either, but i wasn't thinking of BEF as a Miller. I was more like "Not Vanilla" to Neapolitan).

The other thing is irrelevant as only BEF can answer this, but why the hell couldn't he just claimed his real role? Granted, some players would have still wanted him lynched, but others wouldn't. It would have sounded so absurd a fake claim for scum to come up with.

[Almost50]

Miller isn't a TPR, he was either a Miller for a town gunsmith or a false positive for a scum gunsmith, leaning the second but could be either

OK. I accept that. So, Scum!GS, Town!GS, or Neapolitan. And you get town poinrts for saying this before I posted my own list of questions.

[DVa]

Did you literally not read the next post before typing that all up?

pedit: guess not lol

[Almost50]

His reasoning there does not make logical sense. It doesn't follow.

I see where you're coming from and I do not wish to interfere. I just catch up in a linear manner, and I'm sorry it disrupted your ongoing interrogation. Please carry on as if I didn't make that post.

[Elsa Jay]

sigh, why does this happen every game

i've got the pepsi, i'm in for the long haul

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Also, Clementine, we were think and thin yesterday but you suddenly turn against me? I thought you could tell I was fucking around.

I know we were put together by unconventional circumstances, but wth. Your first post after we were together day 1 on day 2 is to throw me away.

[Almost50]

irt Auro -- he only had one shot; he wasn't widely scumread and had no reason to prove his night action on n1, and his hit % only goes up longer the game goes and more information he has to work with. I mean there's a thread in general of whether people should be modkilled for shooting n1 as vig lol

Ah! The Mastina approach.

[DVa]

Your first post after we were together day 1 on day 2 is to throw me away.

guess he's 'letting you go'?

I'll see myself out

[Almost50]

sigh, why does this happen every game

i've got the pepsi, i'm in for the long haul

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Also, Clementine, we were think and thin yesterday but you suddenly turn against me? I thought you could tell I was fucking around.

I know we were put together by unconventional circumstances, but wth. Your first post after we were together day 1 on day 2 is to throw me away.

I almost want not my brain to digest this as it did. Knowing you, I would say this is a confession you are scum WITH Clemence? If so, congrats on having me fooled by your play so far.

[Almost50]

I'm alright voting Celemency for now, while I try to see what exactly EJ was saying in that post.

[Elsa Jay]

Hey, fish called me out on a Gambit. He actually scumread Clem.

Can we actually look at what Fish and Auro thought before they died btw?