Magic: The Gathering,GO TEAM MS!

[PJ.]

This would be awesome if I could afford it. MTGO is infinitly better than the free programs simply because of prize support and ability to do tournaments. Cockatrice, MWS, OCTGN, ect are all cool but no prize support so the competition is bad. I'm willing to play some people on MWS if they wanted to tho.

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Someone needs to start up the Mish Mash MTG tourneys through MWS again. Although it's been years since I played (last time I did a draft was M10), so I would probably suck even more than usual.

I'm all for this on cockatrice or mws, BUT I'm certain we lack someone willing to put the time in to properly mod one(which includes nagging players to actually play their games). This is among the long list of reasons I miss Yaw.

Also, I'm really not sold on what the format would be and if we'd have to mod two tournaments like in the past(sealed and constructed)

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@Untrod: This is a great use for Draco too


I want to play some games with some people on here on something that isn't MTGO(cause I'm broke).


The angel is powerful but it won't see any play outside of standard. Any deck that cheats things out would rather have

I really want to try out that French Rites deck.

@Whoever said that RDW was the least interactive deck in some format: You're retarded. Attacking your opponent is interacting with them. Killing their creatures so you can kill them is interactive. RDW is always one of the more interactive decks in any format. Combo decks generally aren't interactive. Searching your library, pooling a shitload of mana, drawing a bunch of cards, then killing your opponent isn't interactive. Playing a bunch of creatures/burn spells and attacking/damaging them every turn for about 3-4 turns is very interactive.

[PJ.]

Does anyone know of any deck list databases that are any good since deckcheck has been dead forever?

And is standard fun or is it just dominated by U/W Delver?

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Panzer, this is the most diverse Standard in years. U/W Delver, W/x Tokens, G/R Wolf Run (and the billion variants of all three), G/x Aggro, Haunted Humans, B/u Zombies, Birthing Pod, RDW, all place at tournaments relatively frequently. There's also a bunch of fringe-viable decks like Heartless (Grixis and U/B), FRites, Tempered Steel, Mono-B Infect, even some G/R Aggro-wolf decks can do really well.

Also, FRites, to me at least, is as one-dimensional as decks go. I know someone who played it for a while, then quit and made a Pod deck instead. He said it was too boring, and too vulnerable to Surgical Extraction to be useful right now.

I thought the end of the SoA-m10-ZEN-M11 season was incredibly diverse, right before Scars came out(Elfdrazi, Jund, Conscription, pyromancer, rdw, RUG, turbo fog) , but if all those decks are truly viable(last two events i looked up had 5/8ths Delver in the top 8) it will be worth checking out.

Also, I play legacy, so French Rites is right up my alley. Most Legacy decks are one dimensional.

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Not at 1 am...I'm down anytime tomorrow though...depending on the set though...

[PJ.]

Not at 1 am...I'm down anytime tomorrow though...depending on the set though...

I was thinking probably DII, or at least III.

Umm...is that like...Dark Ascension innistrad innistrad? Sorry I haven't looked at a set since the second set of Scars block, and that was vaguely.

[PJ.]

I believe Shea was right on Ravnica. Gruul.

I believe Solar Flar was super popular around than though?

[PJ.]

On Miracle: I think the Time Walk miracle could see play in legacy where you have Brainstorm, Ponder, Sensei's divining top, ect and can reliably get that effect. Maybe could bring back a countertop type deck. Miracle in standard won't be consistent enough and top players will quickly dismiss it. Remember the last time they reprinted a power 9 card? I do, it didn't amount to much at all. Time Reversal is poop, Time Twister is power 9. 2 mana big deal. So a card that will be useless occasionally will probably be a big deal.

I wanna build a casual deck around Arcane Melee though lol. Ramping up then playing arcane melee and throwing down huge spells over and over and over.

Browbeat is horrible for exactly why TSQ said. You're gonna get exactly what you don't want. The only time i can work out is like..I have 4 mana, you have 10 life and I have fireblast/lightning bolt in my hand. And you haven't got me on a one turn clock. cause if you take the 5 you're dead and if you give burn 3 cards, they'll get 5 damage out of it. But yeah outside of situations where both the 3 cards and 5 damage win the game, you're gonna lose.

I dig Howlgeist... but 7 mana for a 4 power "unblockable" isn't great. But i like the idea of it. If it was 5 mana it would be really good.


On Jackal Pup: That card hasn't been in legacy for like 7 years

[PJ.]

I want in on the Netdraft. Cause I'll straight roll greyice.

[PJ.]

lol I haven't drafted since.... Shards?

Which was quite possibly the hardest format to draft ever

[PJ.]

Soulbound Haste for those Big Annihilator drops WITH HASTE. Coming to a janky modern deck near you.

[PJ.]

The need haste so you can Annihilator them right when they drop =P

[PJ.]

If all he has is burn, why is he using it on your critters and not your face?

[PJ.]

Anyone wanna do a draft?

[PJ.]

Oh Mogg Fanatic....how I miss thee.

[PJ.]

But what does that have to do with Mutavault?

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http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... in-legacy/

thoughts on this deck? I think the blue miracle finds a nice home here.

Both you and the article say that combo in legacy is meh right now, but every place I look I see Tendrils, Dredge, and Sneak Attack as Tier 1.

PEDIT: Looked through SCGs recent invitational results and have come to the conclusion that the reason those keep popping up is because it woudln't be very much fun to have the only decks listed be "Delver Tempo" and "Delver Aggro".

As far as Dream Halls is concerned, I had fun playing that deck before the blue miracle and it's just gonna be stronger and more fun with it. Do I think that makes it the best combo deck in the format? No, but that is probably irrelevant until something can win a tournament beside Delver+Countermagic.

Patting myself on the back to say that I called the Blue Miracle finding a home in legacy next to a playset of brainstorm.

[PJ.]

The only decks that I have seen meaningful results for has been the Delver decks. See a few t4 Blade lists but haven't seen any Maverick at all.

[PJ.]

Yeah you probably should of built for playing without the week rules, and then built for the week 2 rules once it was established you were using the rules.

/hindsight


Gonna dick around on MWS and see if I can get some worthwhile games with that Dream Halls list.

Edit: Played my first game with Dream Halls against Combo Elves. I think the other guy was bad, but I won both games without ever seeing Dream Halls. Didn't realize Show and Tell Progenitus beat elves...

[PJ.]

Especially if they can't deal with progenitus.... You just block him and hit me? right?

[PJ.]

ah, apparently, I'm a nub.

[PJ.]

Mtgthesource has Sneak and Tell as Tier 1.

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4 Evolving Wilds
13 Island
10 Plains

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27 lands


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0 creatures

4 Devastation Tide
1 Dissipate
4 Entreat the Angels
4 Feeling of Dread
4 Temporal Mastery
4 Terminus
4 Think Twice
4 Thought Scour

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29 other spells

4 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage

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4 planeswalkers


Sideboard
1 Angel's Mercy
4 Cathedral Sanctifier
3 Dissipate
3 Geist of Saint Traft
2 Midnight Haunting
2 Snapcaster Mage

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So that settles it, miracle cards are viable.

[PJ.]

4/4's are quite formiddable and a well timed terminus before hand or a well timed temporal mastery after ward should be enough. Also if the game gets too drawn out eventually you just pop Tamiyo and have infinite entreat the angels

[PJ.]

^Shea said it much more eloquently than I did.

[PJ.]

Yes, there are cards that are block bombs that aren't great elsewhere, but the arguement was that miracle is shitty always, this deck proves otherwise.

@reckoner, dude, drawing a miracle everyturn sounds like a whole lot of fun to play. To play against, well all control decks are super annoying to play against.

[PJ.]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=22204

tournament

[PJ.]

/in

[PJ.]

Dram, most Standard decks are nowhere near expensive

This is not true. The Delver deck that just won the last SCG Open was $456.72. That is expenisve. Just because it's not as expensive as last standard/legacy does not mean it's not expensive. We are back to jund/mythic consciption prices.

[PJ.]

If you are going Ice Age block get alliance cause FoW

[PJ.]

Really good except when they're not.

Kinda like every other card type. The good ones are generally pretty good(and expensive) and the bad ones are pretty bad.

[PJ.]

Difference being, even bad planeswalkers are better than most mid-range non-planeswalkers.

In limited?

[PJ.]

I think buying boxes is meh. Mythic rares have fucked the magic economy. Used to be you would be able to buy a box and have reasonable expectation of pulling your money back out of it. Now, I would be much more inclined to buy singles for a specific deck if I were to spend any money on cards. Or draft.

Essentially you get 4/5 mythics in a box. There are 16 mythics in innistrad, But only 3 of them are worth anything. I'm sure someone could do the math for you, but it's not in your favor to pull anything decent.

[PJ.]

isnt that kind of what I was saying? That, and also that mythics have sucked the money out of rares.

I was agreeing with you and expanding...but meh

[PJ.]

So here's a deck I'm thinking about, since I wanted a modern deck and I have a bunch of the cards already:

24x Swamp

4x Bloodghast
4x Gravecrawler
4x Butcher Ghoul
4x Geralf's Messenger
4x Blood Artist
4x Smallpox
4x Smother
4x Geth's Verdict
4x Inquisition of Kozilek

SB:
4x Duress
4x Black Sun's Zenith
4x Doom Blade
3x Nihil Spellbomb

Inquisition instead of Thoughtseize for budget reasons, and no Liliana for the same reason, but the deck still feels "off" to me. Anybody with some insight?

First you want fetchs for bloodghasts. but that could be a budget issue.

Like most aggro decks, you get rolled by Martyr-Proc. How do you deal with KarnTron or Tron'd out Iona? Is duress/inquisition enough against Storm? How do you deal with Spltiner twin/Melira combo? I don't see you racing Affinity either. You fold to loam(outside of nailing all 3 seismic assaults with inquisition). Jund just outclasses you.

[PJ.]

So, I have 80% of a competitive dredge deck, I'm just missing Lion's Eye Diamond and City of Brass (the latter which I'll just pick up easy). Why is LED almost $100 x.x

Old and most of the good combo decks want it.

[PJ.]

Obviously it's Memory Adept.

Seriously though, that deck looks solid. My only idea would be to cut the two Think Twice for either 2 Dissipate or Syncopate.

wait, Why isn't it Architect of Thought?

[PJ.]

Pack Rat is very, very good in Limited. If you open a Pack Rat, you're in black now.

I don't think there is a magic player in existence who does not know this.

I didn't, but I'm new at this.

Also TIL I hate rancor.

Rancor is pretty legit, it used to be pretty decent in legacy, I think it might of even made a comeback with Infect.

[PJ.]

BBE seems like a fairish ban that accomplishs what they want it to. Seething Song is a bullshit ban.

[PJ.]

I've been thinking about getting back into to Magic, If i were to play standard, what should I expect to play against, and what should I play?

Is Drafting still the best way to get cards for standard?

[PJ.]

So, everything is a deck?

[PJ.]

But no one plays modern in my area, and Legacy is too expensive and I haven't played the format with real cards since before Goyf(2006ish), so my decks consist of Goblins and Solidarity, neither of which are very good.

[PJ.]

Legacy is not expensive. In the long run legacy is far far far far cheaper than standard.

As Fate alluded to, i'd need to buy playsets of dual lands to compete. That's multiple playsets of 150 dollar cards. Also If I'm playing blue, I need Force AND Jace. Green needs Goyf. It would literally take me 4-5 months to build any competitive legacy deck, and while I understand the format doesn't rotate and your cards don't necessarily lose their value very fast but it's still an expensive format to get started in.

[PJ.]

Alara-Zendikar Standard had non-creature combo and I really liked that format, It also had a decent control deck that wasn't all creature based.

[PJ.]

Shea, what should I pilot in Legacy?

[PJ.]

http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Rakdos+Pit+Dragon -> the only dragon in original Dragon Stompy. Dragon Stompy was a trinisphere-Moon aggro control deck that killed with ArcSlogger, Pit Dragon and Tauren Mauler.

I think it has werewolf flip guys and Thundermaw Hellkite in it now.


Also yeah I'd have to test with someone on lackey to see if I even like Legacy as a format after seeing what's been placing in the SCG tourney's.Seems like a bunch of tempo decks. UWR Delver, RUG Delver, Shardless BUG, BUG Delver. Good Creatures + force and Daze.dec seems to be every deck. And the combo decks seem super fucking boring now. Omni-Tell. I see some Tendrils which is decent, but no dredge(which I know that's a lightning in a bottle deck), no belcher, No High tide, no elves, No reanimator, no cephalid breakfast.

It's seems like all these major Legacy tournaments is like, Tempo and Deathblade wins, sometimes Tendrils or a Show deck sneaks in, no aggro ever.

Also, what every happened to those old Dark Depths-Vampire hexmage decks from extended, not strong enough for Legacy? Especially when it incorporated the Thopter Foundry combo it seemed liek that was a deck that had some serious potential for Legacy.

[PJ.]

an All-In-Red style deck similar to what Sudo posted would run you about $30 on TCGPlayer, unless aussie shipping fucks you.

[PJ.]

Aussie shipping is about $10 per order, obviously size doesn't matter in the quantities we're talking.

Big limitation is it can only be from one store, cause if I have to go to another store to get a single $0.40 card, that's $10.40

Do they do super saver shipping to aussie land?

[PJ.]

You used the new art for browbeat. How could you?

[PJ.]

What does legacy look like nowadays? How much more expensive is it than the next best format?

[PJ.]

Holy shit, Horizon canopy's are 25 dollars now?

[PJ.]

Umm....Apparently I have gained like.. 45 bucks or so if I go by street price and not retail price in Horizon Caopy. Way to go me buying them back when they were standard for the janky Project 420 deck.I got them at like 3 bucks a pop.

[PJ.]

Yaw and I used to play EDH on OCTGN pretty often (and sudo would join us sometimes as well). It's not actually that bad if you don't try to use the "features" they have for magic.

I remember this, this was super fun.

[PJ.]

why are people selling serum visions for 6 bucks a piece?

[PJ.]

On extended: to he fair, the last official extended season only had one standard deck(faeries). The reason that format sucked had more to do with the fact that three combo decks(depths, thopter, hypergenesis) dominated the format to an unreasonable degree which later become a field of 2 once depths and thopter became 1 deck.

[PJ.]

Is abzan the clear best deck?

Is playing Online worth the money it cost? I don't really have time to try to chase PTQs and stuff and a lot of FNM type stuff runs later than my bed time on my work nights so I'm not sure if paper magic wouldn't really be even close to worth it(and I work weekends so major events are basically out of the question) but I've had the itch to play. Is there enough prize support online to make my time worth it? How are the Legacy and Modern scenes online?

[PJ.]

Are there bigger events online? What is the prize for winning dailies? Just a couple tickets?

Free magic is typically not fun magic.I used to play when MWS was a thing but there was a lot of cheating and a lot of arguing about rules. It was basically pick up basketball. Also didn't cocktrice die a long time ago?

[PJ.]

I would basically never agree to a red raft under any circumstances. If I knew it was happening before the draft, I wouldn't play and if I somehow missed that it was happening and ended up playing anyway, I'd walk out if my Rares were any sort of valuable and never come back.

[PJ.]

Does anyone play legacy anymore? Did everyone that played Legacy and didn't have entire playsets of force and duals just switch to Modern?

[PJ.]

So if one was interested in getting back into magic, and did not want to deal with Standard and didn't already have force/duals, then modern is the place to be? What is good in Modern? I know twin and birthing pod are weirdly gone. And apparently they just had to kill eye of ugin because eldrazi too good, but now whats goodm

Is thopter good?

[PJ.]

/maybe interestef

[PJ.]

YAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PJ.]

I love 2 tsp 1plc. I won like 4 drafts at the prerelease with muscle sliver. I also pulled a damnation in sealed.

[PJ.]

Was it complicated? draft 5 muscle slivers. Draft other slivers. Win.

[PJ.]

I haven't opened a pack since alara...the first alara...if there is a second alara...

[PJ.]

Yeah, but wouldn't that make Affinity a compelling deck to run in teams? You don't have to switch really anything up except the sideboard. You get all the top choices without running into the other two decks. I 2nd not running 8rack. There's just almost certainly a better way to use 4 lilliana's that won't break the bank that much(aside from the already purchase lillianas).

On a different note, I've been going to a pauper tournament every week, and it's been tremendously fun, but part of me is hoping pauper doesn't catch on or get made into a big thing because I don't want it to explode in price. Chainer's Edict is already like 10 bucks. Masters 25 kinda did me a disservice in reprinting the cards I already had and only helping me out by reprinting Ash Barrens.

[PJ.]

I feel like 20 lands for a deck that caps at 3cmc is insane.

[PJ.]

I'm a big fan that KTS changed his avatar to Hiei. He should be more of an edge lord tho. Also I should dl arena

[PJ.]

y 2-ofs and 3-ofs. You should figure out which cards you want and which ones you don't. Aggro decks should be jamming duplicates even harder than control.

This yeah..Make all your best cards 4-of and cut anything that's not your best cards.

[PJ.]

ed to play with them in sealed for sure. But it feels natural to be skeptical about many of them keeping up with Modern's blistering speed in constructed play.

some of these acrds are really really good.

[PJ.]

Anyone have any ideas for throne constructed on mtga?

[PJ.]

Fires is the only deck(s) now that golos is banned i take it?

[PJ.]

I've been on hold from crafting anything because of how in transition standard has been and also the decks that seem good, do not look very fun. Aside from like...jeskai fires, which I can't craft and seems like doesn't have the wish board anymore