Mini Normal 2040: Day 4

[Clemency]

woah wow wacky lets play some mafia 3

[Clemency]

oh right the part where i vote
VOTE: tictac

[Clemency]

I'm a Roadhog main am i still viable enough

[Clemency]

i'm just here to observe thanks

[Clemency]

Well from your "observation", who's the 3 most likely scum ATM?

whatever answer i could give you would be disingenuous because i don't believe it possible to tell the intentions of people off of this little information

[Clemency]

Well from your "observation", who's the 3 most likely scum ATM?

whatever answer i could give you would be disingenuous because i don't believe it possible to tell the intentions of people off of this little information

But your answer would be slightly different if you were scum, and this information becomes useful to judge later - whether really made by town on what little information they had, or scum subtly followed an agenda.

Otherwise no one's gonna give any information through votes/FoSes, we get reduced to random lynching and give Mafia a good advantage.

Now, based on the little info we have so far, who are your most likely scum?

If you really want me to create something out of nothing here, I'll give you three people who I have to reach least for:

Elsa Jay is naturally on my radar as he seems to be the most active person right out of the gate, which I try to look out for as an attempt to gain leadership from early into the game. Not necessarily scummy, obviously, but competent scum would want to be at the top of discussion within the game throughout.

D.va: the whole scumchat thing's already been said multiple times, don't need to repeat it.

Auro: You use too many abbreviations. My head hurts. Other than that, you're fine.

I hope I've fabricated enough content to make some talking points. If you need me, I'll be in my bunk.

[Clemency]

woah holy moly sorry for not being active i went to bed right after my last post and just got to the computer now
i skimmed through and saw some @me's can someone repeat them to me i'll read through carefully later

[Clemency]

ah right okay i should move my vote off tictac since i don't see him as any particular alignment
or actually idk there's nothing bad about early pressure

[Clemency]

what is this policy lynch stuff about btw can someone explain the reason there because i'm not seeing it

[Clemency]

i know what a policy lynch is i was asking why we needed one

i see why now though

[Clemency]

i'm not surprised you don't know me seeing as i don't really play much

[Clemency]

... I was expecting at least 1 one you to respond within 5 hours of my last post and preferably before I go to sleep, in which people'll magically come out the woodwork to fuck up my plans while I'm in dreamland.

I'm bored damnit. Entertain me.

dang sorry you caught me just as i went off

[Clemency]

What's pinging me greatest about Clemency is his lack of interest in pushing the game forward and solving it.

In 79 he says there's too little information to make any reads, and when pushed offers some thoughts in 93.
These 'talking points' don't really give an insight into who he's town/scumreading, except for DVa ("the whole scumchat thing's already been said multiple times"). I'm curious how he was reading DVa off this but null-reads tictac.

Now in 241, he expresses doubt over his tictac vote because of the null-read, but is unsure about moving his vote to a slot he scumreads ("or actually idk there's nothing bad about early pressure"). He offers no real opinions on the DVa|A50|tictac exchange through all this.

I don't find this particularly consistent, and the lack of effort here seems scummy.

This might be stretching it, but 262 doesn't feel very natural given it's the second time A50 said he doesn't know Clemency or me. ATM I feel {Clemency, A50} could be a potential scumpair.

mate all i can say is this game tends to move fast in the hours i'm not available, (see post 70 suddenly turning into post 240 the moment i closed my pc) and i really don't see the need to repeat anything someone else as already stated
i honestly don't know what to say about that exchange other than consider anger therapy? it doesn't seem like anyone's fighting off any basis, it just looked like dva got pissed out of the blue idgi?

[Clemency]

post 210* not 240

[Clemency]

You were relatively scumreading DVa the most in 93, right?
And maintained a null-read on tictac after the exchange. A few questions:

1. Why would you maintain your vote on a slot you null-read as opposed to a slot you scumread? "Idk pressure is good" so you'd simply wagon on to any highly voted slot in spite of stronger scumreads on others? O.o
2. In 93 you echoed that DVa seemed scummy from her reaction to scumchat. Did tictac's part in that come off as null to you?
3. Do you think there's enough information now to develop better reads? I'm interested to hear them, if so.

1. I didn't take the time to assess the situation of the game when I made that post, I forfeit my contradiction.
2. I'm gonna say yes but I'll read over it again later.
3. I'll try and give some reads I actually feel something for once I'm back home, I'll be heading off for now.

[Clemency]

correction: i can occasionally phonepost

[Clemency]

ah true metagaming annoys me too i feel ya

[Clemency]

who's draynth is he cool

[Clemency]

also sorry for the delays i'll be at my computer in 5h and i'll put on my try hard face then

[Clemency]

alright hi hey hello i'm here and available hit me with your best shot

[Clemency]

okay so first off after reading over things again i really don't like tictacs slot because of how he tried to supress the game and then subsequently bailed on his slot
you (auro) and elsa are the strongest townreads in my eyes just by default in how you're driving the game forward
dva is also coolio on my eyes for the same reasons but a bit less so
uh
who else is relevant in this game
um, almost50 is kinda null for me, i guess

[Clemency]

i know i essentially just said what town's probably been thinking but i don't really have any reads that stand out from the crowd atm

[Clemency]

Clemency is a mystery to me. He feels like a cold-blooded assassin is some sense. He looks pretty calm, maintaining a poker-face all the time I can't get through. But I literally have no case against him.

mind if i steal that for my signature wowee

[Clemency]

mind if i steal that for my signature wowee

mind if i steal that for my signature wowee

Your signature should be:
1...e4 2...Ke2

??

are you talking shit about the ultimate forbidden technique
the undefeated strategem
the infallible Bongcloud?

[Clemency]

@Sashaddin
https://lichess.org/kCESMSTO

[Clemency]

@Sashaddin
https://lichess.org/kCESMSTO

If this is for playing a game with me, I can't move the black pieces. Must I create an account or something?

i think someone else came in before you, it takes the first arrival
try again some other time, i need bed

[Clemency]

#329 i think

[Clemency]

hell, i'll hop on that and i wanna see more of how tictacs replacement is gonna play the slot so
VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Clemency]

Clem und Elsa = Scum

thank you kanye, very cool

[Clemency]

^ i love it when people do my job for me

[Clemency]

are you trying to get hammered?

[Clemency]

dont actually hammer yet btw i wanna see how far he can dig this hole

[Clemency]

"hm, i think these two are scum, but how do i prove it?"
"i know! i'll make two claims out of the blue then refuse to co-operate with anyone or explain any of my reasoning"

[Clemency]

i'm trying to wrap my head around this
this seems like really amateurish scum play which wouldn't add up for the age of bef's account
but at the same time amateurism is 0 excuse for scummy play
it's unusual to see someone topple over this hard from a wagon, idk what to make of it

[Clemency]

maybe he's trying to orchestrate a scene with someone in the wagon?? scum daychat is on, right?

[Clemency]

i dont think so no
it just seems so blatantly un-cooperative idk what to make of it
where's the town motivation within this "play"?

must i write like this
it's kind of unnatural
i should make haiku's

[Clemency]

ah i was just gonna ask if someone could check his games because i'm too lazy

[Clemency]

the fuck is a pocyad

[Clemency]

yeah no this feels like some next level bs
especially after trying to make it so cryptic
if you really are gonna try and make such a strong claim, why dance around the subject and come off belligerent? and you just happen to be the perfect role to 100% be sure of someone day 1 right after getting wagoned?
someone claim intent

[Clemency]

so you're trying to drive two lynches back to back right after getting wagoned up

[Clemency]

due to "gut feeling?"




mate

[Clemency]

if you really are a daycop and this is how you've decided to lay out your claim, this is a half-step from gamethrowing

[Clemency]

the reason you're not hammered yet is the fact that half the players haven't seen your batshit spastic flailing yet

[Clemency]

best part is you didn't even need to try this half-baked attempt at a defense because the point of the wagon wasn't to get you lynched, it was to get you to talk
we've got what, like 9 days left?

[Clemency]

if intent wasnt declared and you turn out town everyone would be on that like flies to honey
that's a bad excuse

[Clemency]

That doesn’t make sense. If you were quickhammered, which I don’t think anyone besides not mafia would do and he’s already on your wagon, and you really flipped day cop, your flip would confirm your investigation result, so that still doesn’t explain why you claimed?

We now know EJ is anti-town.


EJ is anti-town, don't let it get anymore twisted.

Lynch EJ.

you say this like anyone (everyone?) believes you

[Clemency]

THEN WHY DO YOU ASSUME THERE IS A DOCTOR AS A FUCKING DAYCOP.

Think of Balance, bro. A Daycop WITHOUT macho and you think there's a Doc in a 10p?

All I know is that you are anti-town.

you keep saying shit like this
do you have any idea how it sounds

[Clemency]

can you please stop pretending that you've solved the entire game right from day one

[Clemency]

especially with so many things going against you

[Clemency]

don't try to conveniently ignore the fact that you cited me as the other scum

[Clemency]

l everyone elsa

nice

[Clemency]

yeah i was gonna bring that up, what have you even done before the wagon?

[Clemency]

wait elsa are you claiming daycop?

[Clemency]

Why did you check a50s slot

pretty sure the logic was the slot was getting replaced so getting almost50 to play town would be a good idea

[Clemency]

i was suspicious for a moment but i believe the counterclaim, since if the scum is informed, elsa would obviously be prime target

[Clemency]

besides, once we lynch bef, and he flips anything but scum, elsa's entire case topples over

[Clemency]

Ha.
Ha.
Ha.

This is the part where you retract your claim and say your a VT screwing around to call bullshit on my Daycop and informed mafia claim.

Or this is the part whete you get lynched as scum who outted the real Daycop.

Make your choice.

SO I'm VT now?? I thought you said I was scum?

he was making a hypothetical point

you're flailing

[Clemency]

mate i'm sorry but the entire reason we're voting you is the fact that you play like you're trying to be as scummy as possible

[Clemency]

petition to put bef out of his misery

[Clemency]

Clem und Elsa = Scum

also don't think i'm just gonna let this slip by

[Clemency]

you seemed just as confident about elsa as me back then, what changed?

[Clemency]

hey nice i keep getting page tops

mom look i'm on tv

[Clemency]

yeah, auro's been pretty quiet so far, i'd love to see some of your perspective

[Clemency]

you seemed just as confident about elsa as me back then, what changed?

I am as confident as I can be about you. Of course sometimes my reads are wrong but EJ isn't a read.

that's exactly what i wanted to hear

give me your reasoning
i understand that in your side of the story elsa isn't a read that you can't explain in any other way than "you just know", but what's your case against me?

[Clemency]

there's good reason to claim daycop day 1
mainly the fact that you don't wanna die night 1

[Clemency]

nah, you're gonna get to that now
stop trying to avoid the subject

[Clemency]

if bef ignores my plea for explanation once more, i highly urge hammering

with intent, without intent, idc at this point

[Clemency]

@BEF: Since it seems likely ATM that you'll be lynched, you might as well give your thoughts on clem right now.

^
what's the point of hovering this mysterious case against me when we all know you're going to take the hit
oh right it's to try and come up with a reason not to lynch you here

[Clemency]

alright those are all fair points i guess, i can see your narrative

[Clemency]

i'm not gonna refute any of that since it's all true, the point was to just get you to drop your trading chip

[Clemency]

if you do turn out town though, oh boy i've got some explaining to do

[Clemency]

if you do turn out town though, oh boy i've got some explaining to do

You can start now. There is no if.

Correction: if he flips Daycop, explanation is needed. If he's a VT you don't have to do shit.

nah, (he's) gonna get to that now
stop trying to avoid the subject

stop trying to pretend like these are equivalent cases

[Clemency]

uh, the fuck?

[Clemency]

maybe he's trying to orchestrate a scene with someone in the wagon?? scum daychat is on, right?

i'm not gonna say anything but keep it in mind

[Clemency]

uh, you might wanna read the rest of the posts before you make a claim that strong

[Clemency]

no seriously read the rest of the posts this is very unnecessary and you're putting a lot of stuff out of context for everyone

[Clemency]

does he do this every time

[Clemency]

i mean does it? it just feels like he's taking everything really out of context
how does this help our case

[Clemency]

well yeah, it's not like it's been me or elsa alone here

[Clemency]

also i've been watching a lot of better call saul ok

[Clemency]

Scumslip?

ah yes because i'm infamous for being exceedingly careful with my wording

[Clemency]

best part is you didn't even need to try this half-baked attempt at a defense because the point of the wagon wasn't to get you lynched, it was to get you to talk
we've got what, like 9 days left?

"You ruined us. I was just going with the town and anything you said would have given me the chance to hop off the wagon. Anything but this nonsense!"

if i wanted off the wagon i'd be off the wagon

[Clemency]

Now, the question for me is whether BEF being obviously fake makes him scum or flailing VT. I almost want to say VT here? I'm not locked on that though, and in any case we have learned that he's willing to generate a hilarious amount of wifom about his role.

why are you trying to give him leeway?

[Clemency]

this is really gonna go on into the night, huh

[Clemency]

alright, fair enough

[Clemency]

page top again
somebody stop me

[Clemency]

i'm seriously not comfortable with the dva unvote but maybe i'm reading too far into it
it's at L-2

[Clemency]

if it looks like i'm rushing things it's probably just because i wanna get done with this before i head to sleep for the night

[Clemency]

quick off topic question for elsa
what's a gtkas
serious question

[Clemency]

yeah that's the part that confused me
i'm pretty sure i've played with that guy before

[Clemency]

yeah i can definitely relate to that
i'm pretty inexperienced myself, i flubbed my first scum game super hard
weirdly enough it feels like newbie games hold you to a much higher standard than normal ones

[Clemency]

i am just on fire with these pagetops
i'm not doing this on purpose i swear

[Clemency]

i am just on fire with these pagetops
i'm not doing this on purpose i swear

At least you post something.. others go just like "#PageTop".

that's basically the equivalent of going "first" on youtube comments, isn't it
sounds obnoxious

[Clemency]

quick question what does a hider do i forget

[Clemency]

[Clemency]

in reality, aren't we all just innocent children in a bastard mod game

[Clemency]

sigh, why does this happen every game

i've got the pepsi, i'm in for the long haul

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[Clemency]

how about you drop the cryptic act and start talking for once

[Clemency]

i wish you people gave out your reasoning more

[Clemency]

do as i say not as i do, amirite?

but nah, i mean like, explain why you think it's a better wagon than elsa

[Clemency]

trust me i'm having a complex internal dilemma on whether elsa underestimated the power of stupidity like me or whether he was stringing me along
i wanna at least see this wagon through

[Clemency]

woah deltarune was cool

[Clemency]

gonna be busy today so imma hit you up with the worlds most transparent prod dodge

[Clemency]

i'll explain my logic on why my vote is on elsa once im back

[Clemency]

i agree
proddodge because this is taking longer than expected hi

[Clemency]

i'm very sorry i know the timing is poor and i'd like to get on top of this situation

[Clemency]

i've been with my friend since 1pm yesterday, just made it home
someone tl;dr all the claims against me, i know i probably look suspicious

[Clemency]

oh and, yeah, i'm not vt since i saw that come up

[Clemency]

has someone claimed town protective because if so they're lying

[Clemency]

(probably)

[Clemency]

i'm still getting to the push part, calm down dear

[Clemency]

Really? I step away for one day and you guys lynch one of my locktowns?

literally what reason would you have to say this other than trying to be vaguely cryptic

my vote was supposed to be on here ages ago VOTE: Carmen

[Clemency]

alright imma go ahead and read through proper now

[Clemency]

sigh, why does this happen every game

i've got the pepsi, i'm in for the long haul

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Also, Clementine, we were think and thin yesterday but you suddenly turn against me? I thought you could tell I was fucking around.

I know we were put together by unconventional circumstances, but wth. Your first post after we were together day 1 on day 2 is to throw me away.

i'm sorry hun but i have to make one of two conclusions here:

1. you underestimated how daft a townie can really be just like me or
2. you played along with me to get a town lynch

[Clemency]

i should start posting more like not_maf

[Clemency]

someone interact with me i'm lonely

[Clemency]

sigh, do i gotta?

[Clemency]

i didn't block auro's shot

i'm a two-shot bg

[Clemency]

i felt the info was good to get out there since we happen to have a wild amount of power roles

[Clemency]

Well your claim basically invalidates the hypo-claiming entirely. Sigh.

But im gonna Currently even out the roster so 2 people are at L-2. I need actual information from Carmen first.

VOTE: Sashaddin

Since NotMaf isnt on this wagon, consider him basically at L-1.

How's that? Both myself and ofrhz claimed he was not a VT!

felt the need to defend myself

[Clemency]

spicy

[Clemency]

i feel like i need to clarify the timing behind my claim a little

i claimed because two people in the game were hypothetically saying i wasnt vt, which is true, and i'm not exactly the most townread player in this game, so i wanted to avoid a situation where i'd have to cc
seeing as nobody else has claimed a protective role, my logic seems sound to me

[Clemency]

I won't be happy unless he confirms he's on someone like you, Almost. Maybe Dva. But I want to know this shit. I dont want him saying it was a gambit and go "oh, I tried to bait the nk and guarded x instead of y". He's a 2-shot, so he says, so I want him to make it count.

OK... OK.

@Clemency: Who did you BG last night? Also, can you pick a BG target between myself and DVa and confirm in public you are going to be on that specific player tonight?

Also, please don't forget to explain the bolded in the previous post.

P-edit: Oh, well.. now I know you won't forget.

it's your boy mr.way too inactive with the answers
I guarded elsa last night as i was very 50/50 on whether they were vanilla cop or whatever (i didnt pay too much attention) but by the time day 2 came i had decided to try and push that side
after that however i kind of hit a lazy streak and by the time i came back to save myself i'd had a change of heart about elsa again, and didnt wanna press it further

i hereby honorably confirm the fact that my second use of my god given abilities will be placed on almost50

i'm gonna go look for that bolded text now brb

[Clemency]

See, this is why I'm suspicious of him, and really have no reason to beleive his claim. If I scumread someone, my read doesn't go away because they claim TPR. And I legitimately think he could be just using it as cover because he also never soft'd a claim. This was a play made when it seemed like he was a possible lynch.

I won't be happy unless he confirms he's on someone like you, Almost. Maybe Dva. But I want to know this shit. I dont want him saying it was a gambit and go "oh, I tried to bait the nk and guarded x instead of y". He's a 2-shot, so he says, so I want him to make it count.

(i'm always a possible lynch
side effects of not being that good at the game)

[Clemency]

i feel like i need to clarify the timing behind my claim a little

i claimed because two people in the game were hypothetically saying i wasnt vt, which is true, and i'm not exactly the most townread player in this game, so

i wanted to avoid a situation where i'd have to cc
seeing as nobody else has claimed a protective role, my logic seems sound to me

Explain the bolded to me like I'm 5. How is it better play to not let scum fake claim and CC them? And why would you care if anyone else claimed anything if your claim is true?

i'm aware of the detriment my playstyle brings to the town, which makes my game philosophy heavily rely on self-preservation for the sake of not having town lynch town
i also didnt wanna be the guy making the cc because with my current position in the game, i feel it'd be hard to believe me over the other person's claim
in my eyes it was better to get out there while the air was still clear

[Clemency]

i'm trying to be very transparent simply because i don't really know how to apply myself yet

[Clemency]

dva making the bold plays trying to save me from getting lynched day 3 by taking the noose and putting it around her neck

[Clemency]

from my view it almost feels like an attempt at trying to take votes off of carmen

[Clemency]

What's the scum motivation though trying to save a sinking ship? Why would she do this even if Carmen is her partner?

bad judgement?
after bef i'm willing to believe anything

[Clemency]

someone order me a pizza

[Clemency]

on a more serious note
notice how dva made these hard claims then went silent knowing the hammer was on its way

[Clemency]

sigh
i had hopes for you, dva
you were gonna get potg

[Clemency]

why do you do this
i dont get it
first bef, now you
you have a fairly credible spot until you literally just start throwing for no reason

[Clemency]

might be trying to coax me off of guarding a50

[Clemency]

oh well, here's the wine, supply the poison
i've got two days to think

[Clemency]

all i know is this game is killing my attempts at a sleep schedule

[Clemency]

that slot was cursed from the start

[Clemency]

i just wish more people understood that just because you're right, doesnt mean people will immediately believe you
you gotta back up your claims and it always helps to be non-aggressive

[Clemency]

godspeed

[Clemency]

I'm going to assume it safe to sleep and check out the flip in the morning

[Clemency]

he speaks

[Clemency]

god bless

[Clemency]

but this is mine

[Clemency]

elsa
i can't believe you've done this
we were supposed to be partners
comrades
teammates
we were gonna win the superbowl

[Clemency]

ooh this was your first mod game? it went by flawlessly

[Clemency]

really tho i gotta say great play from everyone involved (except for a certain sea creature)

[Clemency]

"I kind of want to keep Clem in the game because he’s hilarious. "
d'aww <3

[Clemency]

dammit now i've got nothing to do until my next games start in probably like two days

[Clemency]

gg dva, good job on the day 4, that was beyond my expectations

[Clemency]

nvm one game literally just started

[Clemency]

@schadd_ it was a shitstorm
loved it