Mini 2036: Charging Up! - Game Over

[Kokichi Oma]

@Manatee - if you were actually just shot last night and not the killer, who’s the scum team for you?

GL porkens vax

Any explanation to that?

[Kokichi Oma]

I'm a doctor. I hit GL night one and have been trying to get charged again ever since.

I don't think it's too crazy that a town doc and jailkeeper can exist on the same town, but the scum would have to be really strong to balance that out given the other roles we've seen and I have my doubts that they are. Although Jailkeeper doesn't really make sense as a scum role in a one-team thing either...

UNVOTE:

I don't know. I think it's possible, but probably not in this setup. I guess I could subscribe to the Kokichi/Gamma/Vax thing but I'm not entirely sure.

That might actually make sense, it seems like there are roles that sort of mirror each other. Like Tracker and Charge Tracker. So I can see Jailkeeper and Doctor.

[Kokichi Oma]

I'm a town ammo cop, I can see how many charges someone has. I checked Lady Angel on N2 and found that she had 0 charges remaining, which I loosely crumbed D3

I would like to hear whether Lady Angel has any updates or new thoughts

also I have some light role related reasons to think LA is scum as well - it's not 100% indicative and I don't want to disclose fully yet but just want to note that I am surprised that nothing seemed to change for her overnight, I was expecting that she would re-evaluate or have some more substantial new thoughts to offer in response to my opening poke on her

I don't think my role is all that useful or informative, it does support her claim that she used her action N1 and I wanted to just basically leave enough info in my ISO so people could figure out what I was talking about if I were NK'd. Her claiming protective rather than any kind of investigative role is also consistent with using an action and not really having any changes in reads.

I need to set aside some time to reread and think a bit because it's crunch time and I'm worried I have a blind spot somewhere. Vax and Manatee highly likely to be scum, third could be nearly anyone as far as I'm concerned and I don't feel like I have a solid opinion yet and I'm now getting MYLO/LYLO paranoia about being wrong on Gamma or even Flavor Leaf. I actually think Kokichi claiming roleblocked N2 when he was (presumably) roleblocked on N2 makes him slightly more likely to be town - FL why do you see still him as scum despite his knowing/announcing that he was roleblocked?

Yeah, so this actually supports my theory. Me being a cop and then you being an ammo cop. Tracker/Charge Tracker, Cop/Ammo Cop, Doctor/Jailkeeper. It's possible we are all town then. Let's wait for more claims though.

[Lady Angel]

I'm a town ammo cop, I can see how many charges someone has. I checked Lady Angel on N2 and found that she had 0 charges remaining, which I loosely crumbed D3

I would like to hear whether Lady Angel has any updates or new thoughts

also I have some light role related reasons to think LA is scum as well - it's not 100% indicative and I don't want to disclose fully yet but just want to note that I am surprised that nothing seemed to change for her overnight, I was expecting that she would re-evaluate or have some more substantial new thoughts to offer in response to my opening poke on her

I don't think my role is all that useful or informative, it does support her claim that she used her action N1 and I wanted to just basically leave enough info in my ISO so people could figure out what I was talking about if I were NK'd. Her claiming protective rather than any kind of investigative role is also consistent with using an action and not really having any changes in reads.

I need to set aside some time to reread and think a bit because it's crunch time and I'm worried I have a blind spot somewhere. Vax and Manatee highly likely to be scum, third could be nearly anyone as far as I'm concerned and I don't feel like I have a solid opinion yet and I'm now getting MYLO/LYLO paranoia about being wrong on Gamma or even Flavor Leaf. I actually think Kokichi claiming roleblocked N2 when he was (presumably) roleblocked on N2 makes him slightly more likely to be town - FL why do you see still him as scum despite his knowing/announcing that he was roleblocked?

Yeah, so this actually supports my theory. Me being a cop and then you being an ammo cop. Tracker/Charge Tracker, Cop/Ammo Cop, Doctor/Jailkeeper. It's possible we are all town then. Let's wait for more claims though.

This honestly makes a lot of sense and I'd believe it.

However, there's currently three protective claims (My Doc/Flavour Leaf Jailkeeper/Manatee Babysitter) and I think it'd be smartest to lynch in there for now. Manatee's probably the best one there since his claim has the least backing it right now, and he didn't offer any real explanation of his ability use or why he hadn't used it yet if it is true. I think that's a good place to start today.

VOTE: ManateeDude

[Flavor Leaf]

I said don’t vote!

Meh, whatever.

Manateee’s probably scum anyways.

Babysitter is an odd role for the setup anyways.

[Porkens]

manateedude

[Gamma Emerald]

So like Idk what to make of Manatee’s claim
Thinking it’s town who wanted to put in their claim because they thought it didn’t fit with the others but not sure

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a town ammo cop, I can see how many charges someone has. I checked Lady Angel on N2 and found that she had 0 charges remaining, which I loosely crumbed D3

I would like to hear whether Lady Angel has any updates or new thoughts

also I have some light role related reasons to think LA is scum as well - it's not 100% indicative and I don't want to disclose fully yet but just want to note that I am surprised that nothing seemed to change for her overnight, I was expecting that she would re-evaluate or have some more substantial new thoughts to offer in response to my opening poke on her

I don't think my role is all that useful or informative, it does support her claim that she used her action N1 and I wanted to just basically leave enough info in my ISO so people could figure out what I was talking about if I were NK'd. Her claiming protective rather than any kind of investigative role is also consistent with using an action and not really having any changes in reads.

I need to set aside some time to reread and think a bit because it's crunch time and I'm worried I have a blind spot somewhere. Vax and Manatee highly likely to be scum, third could be nearly anyone as far as I'm concerned and I don't feel like I have a solid opinion yet and I'm now getting MYLO/LYLO paranoia about being wrong on Gamma or even Flavor Leaf. I actually think Kokichi claiming roleblocked N2 when he was (presumably) roleblocked on N2 makes him slightly more likely to be town - FL why do you see still him as scum despite his knowing/announcing that he was roleblocked?

Yeah, so this actually supports my theory. Me being a cop and then you being an ammo cop. Tracker/Charge Tracker, Cop/Ammo Cop, Doctor/Jailkeeper. It's possible we are all town then. Let's wait for more claims though.

Where’s my counterpart role then

[Lady Angel]

I'm a town ammo cop, I can see how many charges someone has. I checked Lady Angel on N2 and found that she had 0 charges remaining, which I loosely crumbed D3

I would like to hear whether Lady Angel has any updates or new thoughts

also I have some light role related reasons to think LA is scum as well - it's not 100% indicative and I don't want to disclose fully yet but just want to note that I am surprised that nothing seemed to change for her overnight, I was expecting that she would re-evaluate or have some more substantial new thoughts to offer in response to my opening poke on her

I don't think my role is all that useful or informative, it does support her claim that she used her action N1 and I wanted to just basically leave enough info in my ISO so people could figure out what I was talking about if I were NK'd. Her claiming protective rather than any kind of investigative role is also consistent with using an action and not really having any changes in reads.

I need to set aside some time to reread and think a bit because it's crunch time and I'm worried I have a blind spot somewhere. Vax and Manatee highly likely to be scum, third could be nearly anyone as far as I'm concerned and I don't feel like I have a solid opinion yet and I'm now getting MYLO/LYLO paranoia about being wrong on Gamma or even Flavor Leaf. I actually think Kokichi claiming roleblocked N2 when he was (presumably) roleblocked on N2 makes him slightly more likely to be town - FL why do you see still him as scum despite his knowing/announcing that he was roleblocked?

Yeah, so this actually supports my theory. Me being a cop and then you being an ammo cop. Tracker/Charge Tracker, Cop/Ammo Cop, Doctor/Jailkeeper. It's possible we are all town then. Let's wait for more claims though.

Where’s my counterpart role then

Have you claimed?

[Flavor Leaf]

He claimed before I replaced in.

[Flavor Leaf]

Neighborizer

[Kokichi Oma]

Anyone else need to claim?

[Vaxkiller]

Hm...
Trying to think about whether this and Porken’s claim of blocked n1 help confirm each other
Who would be at risk from those people at the specific times?

We could confirm who is roleblocker. Who charged someone n1?

This isn’t necessarily true, as there could be multiple reasons for getting a no result.

A jailkeeper, for instance.

There could be a roleblocker.

And I don’t know why you assumed that Porkens was roleblocked without knowing who he targeted.

RC is a flipped commuter. That also would have given no result had that been targeted.

There’s confirmed to be a second roleblocker somewhere out there. Porkens claimed roleblocked Day 2. That wasn’t my slot.

Porkens then stated he didn’t target RC meaning he was blocked somehow, which is why I’ve been town reading the slot.

To be fair, at the time, I thought there wasn’t going to be duplicates. So...yeah.

If Vax is scum, there still isn’t duplicate roles, however, since Slimer was a charged tracker.

There are duplicate roles tho. I'm a regular tracker

[GuiltyLion]

That means Lady charged someone Night 2 if you saw them with 0.

GL can correct me on this, but I assumed his role tracks the amount of charges our main (in my case, Doctor) ability has, not the amount of charge charges we have left.

@GL am I right on this?

yeah, sorry, "charge" was poor phrasing, I should have said "shots". I can see how many times you are able to use your ability (so accounting for cases whether someone has charged you), but it has nothing to do with whether you charged another player already or not.

[GuiltyLion]

Yes, because over Kokichi and Vax on that wagon, I’m the scummy one.

When did she say it had to do with the wagon?

Why the hell would you jail a cop claim, though? Like legit that's awful play. But, I guess it makes sense, since you scumread me?

So it's likely that Manatee is either scum or was the night kill unless there is a doc claim or another RB claim.

these posts feel fluffy
and I thought FL's reasons for jailing you made complete sense

don't make me doubt my TR on you

[GuiltyLion]

So like Idk what to make of Manatee’s claim
Thinking it’s town who wanted to put in their claim because they thought it didn’t fit with the others but not sure

why would town!Manatee not saying anything else while claiming though? like he still hasn't claimed how/whether he's used it even after being arguably "guiltied", and now at this point he's got votes

[GuiltyLion]

also Gamma why haven't you updated us on anything happening in the neighborhood?

[GuiltyLion]

VC 1.18

DS

(7):

RadiantCowbells

, Gamma Emerald, Porkens, Lady Angel, lane0168,

Not_Mafia

,

DS

(LYNCH)

theslimer3

(3): ManateeDude, Vaxkiller,

northsidegal

RadiantCowbells

(1):

theslimer3

ManateeDude (1): Kokichi Oma
Lady Angel (1): GuiltyLion

Not Voting (0):

With 13 players alive it takes 7 to lynch

The deadline is 17 October 11:30am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2018-10-17 11:30:00)

Mod Notes:
A lynch has been achieved

VC 2.17

Not_Mafia

(6):

theslimer3

, Lady Angel, Kokichi Oma, Porkens, ManateeDude, Vaxkiller

(LYNCH)

Kokichi Oma (3): GuiltyLion, Flavor Leaf,

RadiantCowbells

theslimer3

(1):

Not_Mafia

Porkens (1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (0):

With 11 players alive it takes 6 to lynch

Mod notes:
A lynch has been achieved
The vote in 1389 is invalid as it was after a hammer

VC 3.4

theslimer3

(5): GuiltyLion, Flavor Leaf, Vaxkiller, Kokichi Oma, Gamma Emerald (LYNCH)

Not Voting (4): Lady Angel, Porkens, ManateeDude, theslimer3

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

honestly I've looked at these (and colored in the confirmed town members for your benefit) but I don't feel like anything stands out as particularly useful here. There's not much that distinguishes any one player over the others. What I do have:

-if it's Manatee/Kokichi/Vax team as FL has suggested, this would mean D1 mislynch went through with no scum on it - which is not outside the realm of possibility but something I generally consider less likely
-Manatee ended D1 still on his first post-RVS serious vote from 26 (he voted slimer again in 44 despite no votes in between) and then repeatedly voted slimer on D2 yet never actually voted him on the day he was lynched despite opportunities to do so on D3. feels like he stuck with his slimer push all game out of laziness/convenience yet then also managed to mask his participation in pushing him when the mislynch did go through.

nothing super indicative here though. next up I'm gonna review the whole neighborhood discussion

[Kokichi Oma]

these posts feel fluffy
and I thought FL's reasons for jailing you made complete sense

I understand why. But I still think it's bad play.

[ManateeDude]

I protected kokichi N2
and RC N1

[Flavor Leaf]

@GL - one of Kokichi/Vax is town then in that case. I agree that looks off.

It’s probably Kokichi.

I’m still not entirely sure if I believe Vax is a town tracker. Feels like he could have thought Slimer was Tracker and as potential mafia tracker decide to join in on it to ride that out.

And I’ve been debating about Lady as well, so she could be the scum on the wagon.

I’m still with my Manatee vs Lady thing impossible to not have 1 scum in them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Occam’s razor says Manatee is just scum.

intent to vote

[Gamma Emerald]

So like Idk what to make of Manatee’s claim
Thinking it’s town who wanted to put in their claim because they thought it didn’t fit with the others but not sure

why would town!Manatee not saying anything else while claiming though? like he still hasn't claimed how/whether he's used it even after being arguably "guiltied", and now at this point he's got votes

Probably because no time to

also Gamma why haven't you updated us on anything happening in the neighborhood?

Because there’s barely anything to update. Only big thing since claiming it was me trying to convince Porkens to push Vaxkiller D3 if I died n2

[Aristophanes]

VC 4.1

ManateeDude

(1): Lady Angel

Not Voting (7): Vaxkiller, Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald, Porkens, ManateeDude, Kokichi Oma, GuiltyLion

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
The deadline is 20 November 10am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2018-11-20 10:00:00)

Mod Notes:
1580 is not counted as a vote due to being in the wrong format

[BNL]

bump