micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank god the game finally started
Also thank god I’m Town
Unfortunately I have a less well-known table to work with (though not by much of a margin I think, just by 1 parson)
But I also have less confidence in my ability to read this table

[Gamma Emerald]

mini 2042 day one :thonking:

VOTE: dva

HEAL: nsg

Yeah that was strange

[Gamma Emerald]

The daystart pm

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually last time I was in this setup I rolled scum and got stuck in a losing scenario, and I made the comment I’d like to try again either as town or with a better scum partner
So you can speculate all you want about partners, but I wouldn’t consider that to be a reason to townclear me
HEAL: The Datk Wanderer though, the thought process seems genuine

[Gamma Emerald]

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

the way that gamma emerald entered the game feels town to me. dont think that he, as wolf, enters the game expressing his relief at having rolled town

skitter30 is also possibly town as well for inquiring about yurikojasmine's potential language barrier as opposed to using it as an excuse to push her

i think dvas entrance was somewhat awkward but im still open to it being awkward-awkward as opposed to wolf-awkward

i could agree with you about gamma, but i think that's a pretty weak reason to townread skitter.

Why do you not have the same skepticism skitter exhibited?

[Gamma Emerald]

because i agree with his reasoning? obviously not as strongly as he does given that i haven't healed you while he has, but given your seeming enthusiasm i would agree that it's more likely to come from town than scum.

that's something of a strange question to parse, really. do you expect me to have the same opinion as skitter or something?

I expect your opinion to be similar. You and skitter both had the info TDW didn’t

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me

[Gamma Emerald]

because i agree with his reasoning? obviously not as strongly as he does given that i haven't healed you while he has, but given your seeming enthusiasm i would agree that it's more likely to come from town than scum.

that's something of a strange question to parse, really. do you expect me to have the same opinion as skitter or something?

I expect your opinion to be similar. You and skitter both had the info TDW didn’t

i don't see how that info is meant to negate what he said. if anything, in my mind it supports the conclusion - it would make sense to me that you wouldn't want to have to repeat that same experience (although in some sense i suppose you could want to use what you learned from that game to win this one - i find that unlikely, though. it wasn't like the concept of "be active and get townread" wasn't known to you playing the last time)

That makes sense
But I actually did quite well, the only thing I feel that could have significantly helped that game was a better partner
Which is why I made the comment about it being usable for partner spec

[Gamma Emerald]

re: me challenging townreads on me: I’m more likely to do it as Town because I’m trying to read others as well as being townread, but Ill certainly do it as scum if I feel confident enough to do so

[Gamma Emerald]

What the f

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

Gamma would you like to dance?

The night is young but yes I would like to dance with you.

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: DVa

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: DVa

Any reasoning for this?

She healed me so I healed back
I might change it later but while I’m still in fun mode I’m gonna leave it

[Gamma Emerald]

eddie cane?
I like this alt btw

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm DVa, fam, of course I'm friendly with MEKA! :3

Is this the appropriate time to suggest a bump of fists?
Ah... alas, I have no fists...

This is just the best thing ever

[Gamma Emerald]

eddie cane?
I like this alt btw

what makes you think that our friend the robot (probably) is mr edward canery?

this is not game related, just wondering. haven't seen eddie cane in a while

Posting style when I strip away the robotic quirks.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think that if I replaced into a scum slot, I would enter the thread any differently?

I do. I don't mean your meme opening posts, I mean your sorting posts afterward, particularly your aggressive tone

You might come in as scum trying to sort, but I would be pretty surprised if you wrote the posts the way that you did

I think this is a good read
HEAL: probs a robot
Btw if DVa and probs a robot hydra they should be probs an omnic

[Gamma Emerald]

I would support it, patching in Gamma Emerald instead of TDW and pending further interactions with TesXX in particular.

you would support it?

that raises an interesting question that i'd like to put out to everyone: who would be willing to support a coalition that didn't contain themselves in it?

Town who understood they probably wouldn’t be in the true coalition but support the proposed one?
Scum who has a buddy in it?
I can think of a couple reasons, why can’t you think of one?

[Gamma Emerald]

@northsidegal, do you see what I see with town!DVa? I am seriously reconsidering my current read on her.

Btw I have another thought on who this guy might be

[Gamma Emerald]

Posting style when I strip away the robotic quirks.

this was my first impression too but what do you think of his shade when skitter calls him out?

That was talking about who I thought robot was
On the read I think his association read is not that good but I don’t see why it’s scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, have your reads progressed at all? Besides healing me, of course.
I do have a comment to your last post, though I am still analysing various sources to provide a concise accurate response.

Not really, I’ve been in silly mode for a while
The closest I got to getting serious was when I noted Tes still had me in his coalition

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you still believe Tes is scum?

Yeah but I haven’t really gotten strong feeling of that lately

gamma did you think tess's first post of heals/votes was serious?

I thought it was initially
I still have a concern about how Tes wasn’t being mindful of it

Town who understood they probably wouldn’t be in the true coalition but support the proposed one?
Scum who has a buddy in it?
I can think of a couple reasons, why can’t you think of one?

it wasn't a "who would do this" in the sense of disbelief, it was a literal question of which people

Ok
Well I would definitely do it as evidenced by last game

[Gamma Emerald]

On the read I think his association read is not that good but I don’t see why it’s scummy

the whole thing we're doing is pressing people on the strength of their townreads. skitter scumcasing his predecessor is a good chance for him to directly address the accusations against him, and instead he just shades it.

idk, maybe you're right and he's a lot lazier than I thought he'd be given the aggressive tone of his earlier post. but I would have thought he'd see the skitter case as an opportunity, not a threat

This actually makes a fair amount of sense
robot, the ball is in your court

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw thoughts on the hydra name?

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s too much bumping

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello computer user GAMMA EMERALD
How is your day progressing?
Would you consider it customary for me to address you in such fashion?
Are we... friands?

My day is fine thank you
I think that is an acceptable way to address me
And yea I would say we’re friends. Do you mind if I call you Alter Ego?

[Gamma Emerald]

@DVa I’m here, any reads you’d like? I recall Raya asking about some so I’ll try to get back to him as well.

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma who's scum?

Idk
I’m incredibly out of it rn because I’m allocating a lot of time towards FE Heroes so I can get all the Tempest Trials rewards, plus general grinding.
I’ll work on reads tonight if I have the drive to, because I really don’t want to be a piece of shit after wanting this opportunity.

[Gamma Emerald]

FRIAND COUNT: 2

Theory: probs a robot is a 3P whose goal is to befriend everyone

[Gamma Emerald]

But yeah, I’m gonna do at least a little work on this game rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so I’m trying something based on a past re-reading method I did, where I scanned every post and formed an opinion on each one. Before I just did it for suspects because the game was farther along, but here I’m doing it for everyone.
My current thoughts as of reading page 1:
Yuriko kinda towny
TDW towny
Skitter back and forth
NSG kinda scummy
Null on all others

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are we discussing racism
The last I remember that being brought up was in rvs

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m working on my retread of the game rn, but to prevent burnout I’m posting in the moment as well

[Gamma Emerald]

As for my reads, I posted what I thought of page 1 so you can go there to see where I’m about at rn

[Gamma Emerald]

On page 2 rn
I’m trying to parse every post, it’s gonna take a while

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok I’ve gone through 100 posts (pages 1-4) so I’m going to organize the data and write out the questions I want to ask
Expect this every 4 pages

[Gamma Emerald]

btw schadd try r/sbubby for flavor images

literally just found that last night

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: Explanation of the system

I’m allocating 1 or 2 town or scum points, or a null/query point, to every post. Null and query points are both worth 0 either direction, but query points mark posts I find interesting enough to press further on, and posts with a query point may receive a new point value after they are addressed. I’ll likely not be asking about posts that don’t have query points, as there should be a reason I think how I do so I’m less likely to seek background or whatever.
The raw numbers will be in the next spoiler, along with the key to reading the numbers.

Spoiler: Lots of numbers

Key: Name(# of total posts): # of 2/1 townpoint posts, # of null(query)point posts, # of 2/1 scumpoint posts; final score expressed as townpoints minus scumpoints. Note null and query points are counted exclusively, so a person with 2 null points and one query point would show 2(1) in the null(query)point section.
DVa(10): 0/1, 6(2), 0/1; 0
Tes(9): 0/1, 7(0), 1/0; -1
Yuriko(7): 1/2, 6(0), 0/0; 4
skitter(12): 1/4, 3(0), 0/4; 2
robot*(12): 0/0, 9(0), 1/2; -4**
TDW(12): 2/2, 6(4), 0/0; 6
NSG(15): 0/6, 7(1), 0/1; 5
Raya(2): 0/1, 1(0), 0/0; 1
*replacements are listed as the current holder of the slot
**Because musicjax was replaced, any potential query points have been adjusted to other types of points. This may cause a discrepancy between how I feel and what the numbers say. This won’t go for anyone else hopefully.

Query points:
28: This feels a little needlessly defensive. Why take that tone in the first sentence of the post?
31: That seems like something you could put into words if you tried, so could you try?
33: Reads list doesn’t seem of note now but is definitely something to come back to later.
38: What triggered this?
82: I don’t see why you feel less confident about me being Town at this point in this post?
85: How is that being chummy?
87: Okay I went along with earlier, but why ask that at that point?

HURT: probs a robot
HEAL: YurikoJasmine
Despite me feeling robot’s current contributions are alright I want to press my reads I’m forming with this over existing reads.

And now just for fun, superlatives!
DVa: Most Friendly
Tes: Most Likely to Have an Agenda
Yuriko: Most Trustworthy
Skitter: Most Hit-or-Miss
robot(actually musicjax): Most Likely to Multipost
TDW: Most Thought-Provoking
NSG: Most Frequent Poster
Raya: Mr-Not-Posting-In-This-Thread

[Gamma Emerald]

Offsite game, linking will take a little bit and I might not be able to do anything for ~7 hours

[Gamma Emerald]

ok when you have a chance can you talk to me about why you think doing this will help you here?

Posting during a bathroom break on the road
I think it will give me a very solid foundation to play the rest of the game on.

[Gamma Emerald]

ok when you have a chance can you talk to me about why you think doing this will help you here?

Posting during a bathroom break on the road
I think it will give me a very solid foundation to play the rest of the game on.

According to my databases, bathroom breaks on the road are an unusual and frowned upon practice.

Is this a common occurrence in

Location: Paradox Space

?

I was at a rest stop (posting at my destination now)
Also nice reference to the location functionality
And no one has addressed my questions. Sad.

[Gamma Emerald]

Though no one I asked a question has posted since -_-

[Gamma Emerald]

ok i have regular v/la on weekends and i posted more recently than literally half of the other players

==

ok when you have a chance can you talk to me about why you think doing this will help you here?

Posting during a bathroom break on the road
I think it will give me a very solid foundation to play the rest of the game on.

ok i guess what i'm getting at is why you're treating this game differently from like every other game i've seen you play?

Because I actually want to do my best here? Btw I’ll prolly do the next four pages tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean this is just me invoking the level of WIM I used to have
So people who know me and have known me for a while prolly wouldn’t find this weird

[Gamma Emerald]

hi nm

since there's people here who might not know him, don't l1 anyone unless you want the day to end

and in this setup don't do the equivalent of l1'ing a coalition either

If he hammers a bad coalition without indicating beforehand he’ll be getting lynched

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh freak someone might use this chain of humorous posting to scumread me later.

o/t --

Spoiler:

leon?

Ooh, when you say Leon do you mean Leonshade?

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw robot are you Titus? She’s like the only person I see posting as much as you have

[Gamma Emerald]

So one concern I have is people not commuting to any scumreads. This is possibly more Town-frequent but I know in the last iteration I took a stance expecting to be able to recant it post-coalition failure so it could be scum playing antithetical to how I would.

[Gamma Emerald]

Committing, not commuting

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve just about got the next 100 posts processed, just have to check something that I’m kinda concerned about
Btw I’m am willing to explain any reads and will elaborate on whoever is in my townblock at the end.

[Gamma Emerald]

85: How is that being chummy?
87: Okay I went along with earlier, but why ask that at that point?

Are you sure you meant 87 here btw Gamma? Cause I don't get your question on that

24 seemed a bit chummy cause he was healing 5 people for kinda jokey reasons

I meant 87
I don’t really see how I was towny enough for that there, unless that’s not what that thing meant.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I meant 84
I had that marked as worth one scumpoint and had 87 as a query point but I had a query on 84, and can’t recall what I wanted to ask for 87, though I do have an idea of what I was thinking about for why I marked it

[Gamma Emerald]

and also should it concern me (any of us?) that we seem to have had more activity in the past few minutes right after i post than we did in the entire previous day?

It concerns me

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I meant 84
I had that marked as worth one scumpoint and had 87 as a query point but I had a query on 84, and can’t recall what I wanted to ask for 87, though I do have an idea of what I was thinking about for why I marked it

@DVa

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma:

Thank god the game finally started
Also thank god I’m Town
Unfortunately I have a less well-known table to work with (though not by much of a margin I think, just by 1 parson)
But I also have less confidence in my ability to read this table

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

This last post, idk it's what I was waiting to see show up in Witches Ball

It seemed like you were engaged early here in a way I just haven't seen in your scum games I've read

Do you think you get into it early like this as scum?

Sometimes
Which games did you read
Also how much exp do you have with me on your main

[Gamma Emerald]

But I see and I’ll remove the scumpoint

[Gamma Emerald]

@TDW I have some questions I’d like answered

[Gamma Emerald]

Also how much exp do you have with me on your main

We've had some games together. I don't want to spoil the surprise tho

I do have experience with your scum game if that's what you're wondering

Ok
So which have you read?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m waiting for TDW to answer my questions before doing the next big post so I don’t get people confused on whichquestions I’m pressing them on

[Gamma Emerald]

28: This feels a little needlessly defensive. Why take that tone in the first sentence of the post?
31: That seems like something you could put into words if you tried, so could you try?
38: What triggered this?
82: I don’t see why you feel less confident about me being Town at this point in this post?

These @TDW

[Gamma Emerald]

So you're through like ~200 Gamma in your reread analysis?

Yup. I’m combing through every post, and I’m not glossing over walls like I normally do. I hope to finish this up somewhat soon FYI, and I’ve been getting through a little easier more recently

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I have a lot more query points and a lot less fixed points this set of pages

[Gamma Emerald]

these seem like really bad questions but I'll answer I guess

28: it was how I was feeling? what kind of response do you want here?
31: dunno don't like the feelings it gave me I still don't have a way to explain it so yeah
38: townread northsidegal after 32, 37 made me comfortable healing her
82: decided that the reasons I was townreading you weren't very good.

28: I’m specifically referring to the first line, sorry if it was unclear
31: well like, does it have to do with asking why she called me out? Or with the call out at all? At least say what you have an issue with.
38: I see. Point remains null barring any issue with your reasoning, query resolved.
82: what/who made you decide this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma at some point we need to talk about Yuriko I think, do you think she is in a game-winning day 1 coalition?

Idk
I’ll talk more about how I feel on Yuriko after/in the next big post

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw why do you think my current technique is possibly being used to avoid real time interactions when I’m clearly not?

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

i thought this was an awful post given that his initial coalition was more of a joke than anything
I don't really have anything else to say regarding the other posts.

Ok
Didn’t recall it was a joke, just saw the discrepancy and poked it.
Fair enough though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw why do you think my current technique is possibly being used to avoid real time interactions when I’m clearly not?

because whenever i ask you about reads you tell me that you're going back to the beginning of the game to intensely analyze it and won't talk about in-real-time reads

Because real time reads would undermine what I’m doing. I’m trying to form a good basis from scratch, using preconceptions messes with that.
God I feel like Kyoko now.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re not changing my mind on doing this

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve picked up the pace a little though

[Gamma Emerald]

May as well say it: I am an invisibility alt

OOF
not a good look at all

[Gamma Emerald]

Cos like
Switching accounts in that scenario muddles people’s ability to read you
If that’s serious robot becomes my strongest scumread hands down and nothing I see in my reread will change that
It’s just too slimy of a play

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk man at this point I’m like

[Gamma Emerald]

these seem like really bad questions but I'll answer I guess

28: it was how I was feeling? what kind of response do you want here?
31: dunno don't like the feelings it gave me I still don't have a way to explain it so yeah

28: I’m specifically referring to the first line, sorry if it was unclear
31: well like, does it have to do with asking why she called me out? Or with the call out at all? At least say what you have an issue with.

Still want responses to the TDW

[Gamma Emerald]

I said that I can't give meaningful answers to them already. Apologies if that bothers you.

That means I have to take 28 at face value, which nets you a scumpoint. 31 I’ll probably still press you on.
FYI each big post from here on out will also show total scores, with adjustments shown.
With that despite having outstanding queries I’m officially ready to do the next big post.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually new question: when did you decide the awkwardness from DVa was scum-awkward?

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

the way that gamma emerald entered the game feels town to me. dont think that he, as wolf, enters the game expressing his relief at having rolled town

skitter30 is also possibly town as well for inquiring about yurikojasmine's potential language barrier as opposed to using it as an excuse to push her

i think dvas entrance was somewhat awkward but im

still open to it being awkward-awkward

as opposed to wolf-awkward

Really?

[Gamma Emerald]

I bolded what I wanted you to see

[Gamma Emerald]

You say you decided it was scum-awkward instantly but you were still open to it being awkward-awkward in that post? That reads like two opposing things to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

They way 18 read made it look like you hadn’t decided yet
And am I really “egregiously stupid” for poking a perceived contradiction?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay ducking stop. It’s not funny.

[Gamma Emerald]

rate my impression from 1-10 please

Accuracy: 8
Enjoyment: 1

[Gamma Emerald]

Please engage with me seriously now that the jig is up

[Gamma Emerald]

You say you decided it was scum-awkward instantly but you were still open to it being awkward-awkward in that post? That reads like two opposing things to me.

Serious answer, please.

[Gamma Emerald]

Didn’t realize it was about that because I didn’t see any significant markers to suggest so
So you’re telling me because you thought DVa had a >rand chance of being scum that was enough to decide that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Meh I am still mildly dissatisfied but it’s not pinging me so I’ll just wipe it and leave it at null
Now the only outstanding query is the question I can’t remember

[Gamma Emerald]

I remember what I wanted to say about 87!
I agree with the sentiment there kinda, but I think it’s a good thing to look at with flips later critically too.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: Page 5-8 numbers

Key: Name(# of total posts): # of 2/1 townpoint posts, # of null(query)point posts, # of 2/1 scumpoint posts; final score expressed as townpoints minus scumpoints. Note null and query points are counted exclusively, so a person with 2 null points and one query point would show 2(1) in the null(query)point section.
DVa(23): 0/3, 16(4), 0/0; 3
NM*(2): 0/0, 2(0), 0/0; 0
Yuriko(5): 0/0, 3(1), 0/1; -1
skitter(3): 1/0, 1(1), 0/0; 2
robot(41): 1/4, 31(3), 1/1; 3
TDW(6): 0/1, 2(2), 0/1; 0
NSG(10): 0/3, 4(3), 0/0; 3
Raya(5): 0/0, 4(1), 0/0; 0
*replacements are listed as the current holder of the slot

Spoiler: Totals

DVa(33): 0/4, 25(4), 0/0; 4
NM(11): 0/1, 9(0), 1/0; -1
Yuriko (12): 1/2, 7(1), 0/1; 3
Skitter(15): 2/4, 4(1), 0/4; 4
robot(56): 1/4, 43(3), 2/3; -1
TDW(18): 2/3, 9(2), 0/2; 6
NSG(25): 0/9, 11(4), 0/1; 8
Raya(7): 0/1, 5(1), 0/0; 1

Query points:
105: another early readlist to look at later. This is the last one I’ll note this for.
136: Voting is a good source of pressure though? Honestly thinking on this it feels kinda shady as scum don’t need to sort and as such the vote is just one more towards a lynch for them.
137: I was asked what I thought about Yuriko, here goes. Pages 1-4 I saw plenty of town equity in her posting. These pages I was unimpressed across the board with Yuriko’s posts, and they felt like busywork to the point of being worth a scumpoint. So everything there reads null individually but that whole series of posts is worth one scumpoint (I do this with other series of similar posting but here it was something I felt needed noting as it was the only thing I got on Yuriko for the section.
138: She just realized who Musicjax was though? That would leave someone confused as to how to handle a slot, finding out it was someone you didn’t think it was. Happened to me in Witches Ball when shortaru ended up being House.
141: Um no. Part of my problem with Musicjax WAS the spamminess. So you’re analysis looks wrong.
148: Why do YOU find it difficult to elaborate on DVa?
154: What do you disagree with exactly? Direct me to the answer if you answered this already.
158: I 100% agree what MME did was a partner tell. What I am lost on is how this is similar?
165: What was Poot about DVa’s RVS performance?
Also, relevant monologue to the post and my current play: I actually struggle with following up on questions, which was used against me by scum in Open 714, which NSG was in. This is actually the best performance I’ve had so far in that department ever, and I didn’t even plan it this way.
167: Why is that question a glitch? What did you mean to ask?
168: Why unvote Tes at that point?
183: I was going to ask about what experience DVa had with scum!me here but that’s already been answered.
185: Well then why did you townread NSG? And what makes you disagree with robot’s reasoning there?
197: This is another playstyle quirk I’ve been trying to iron out, but I feel like commenting in the moment like that helps display my natural thought processes.
199: Seriously? Nothing robot has done? Not even scum indicative?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I disagree with the commonly held concept of the winning coalition. The coalition is finalized when 5 people have the exact same one. So acting like you’ll never have to compromise is rather foolhardy. The entire point of the setup is to encourage Town cooperation right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank you for addressing my questions quickly. I see about the glitches question and the DVa read, I’ll be waiting for when I do come across that DVa read.
As for the system, I look at a post, determine whether it feels scummy or towny and how much, then I give a point value. Having 2 levels of read strength isn’t foreign to me as I encounter that when sorting using less thorough methods. This just helps me follow the overall math of how I’m feeling by turning reads into hard numbers. Unfortunately some nuance is lost in this method, but I’m willing to explain what I find towny or scummy about someone.
As for preferred alignment, Town generally but a good scumteam can help me get out of my shell as scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

199: Seriously? Nothing robot has done? Not even scum indicative?

no, i don't think i t was much ai

also it would be kinda easier ot respond to these if you put the name of the poster besides the post number so htat i don't have to check each post

I was thinking of that this time with the amount of questions I had
I’ll be sure to implement that

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry for being inactive, I have no real excuse but I promise I’m ready to start doing more.

Well then why did you townread NSG? And what makes you disagree with robot’s reasoning there?

I believe robot argued that "posts with a finely veiled agenda are town indicative" and I didn't exactly see why that would be town indicative or how NSG's post reflected that. But I did like NSG's self-meta in that post, I think honest-sounding self-meta comes much more often from town than from scum.

So I didn’t feel much from this response but I actually like the thought process, so it earns a townpoint for the original post. FYI this shouldn’t cause any accidental double points because I intend to have a cut-off, probably at the point where I decided to do this exercise.

Were you still going to do a read list or are you going through the next ~200 posts with questions before that?

I’ll do read explanations later but you can see my read list with the numbers I post. In the Totals spoiler, the last number is my current read, where positive numbers are Town and negative numbers are scum, and greater numbers are greater read strength.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll do read explanations later but you can see my read list with the numbers I post. In

So right now your winning coalition looks something like: Gamma + Robot + DVa + NSG + {one out of TDW/Skitter}?

robot isn’t in rn, TDW is in, and you yuriko and skitter are vying for the last 2

[Gamma Emerald]

NSG possibly, TDW idk
I’m fine adjusting mine to leave myself out as long as no one I object to is in it

[Gamma Emerald]

TDW I have some questions directed at you again, don’t appreciate you skipping them again
Page 31 is where you’ll find my questions, they’re earlier in the list of questions, there’s 2 of them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I am willing to bend to others’ demands/wishes if needed. Honestly if we were playing the way we were on the last game and some people very familiar with my play were here (the only people who match that here are nsg and skitter kinda) I’d be adamant about being in it. But neither of those things are true.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah, I'm seeing how this can be town!you as well. looking back I don't think I've ever categorically misread town!you before (except

that one time

which we don't talk about and it was a pretty different situation anyway)

i'm probably losing a lot of motivation to think of you as scum tbh, i'll need to give the appropriate amount of attention to your selfmeta wrt broken scumrange when i have a bit more time.

so at this point i'm probably reconsidering that the tes/nm slot is just likely to red and i can't remember why i ever changed my mind on that :/ if we treat the gamestate as something like this where do we sit?

do you think this is pretty close to a solve?

dark green = consensus town
light green = hotter takes

not really tiered

northsidegal

The Dark Wanderer

Raya36

probs a robot

TesXX

YurikoJasmine
Gamma Emerald

DVa

skitter30

Who is this talking to...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well that’ll help determine who you are if I care to figure it out

[Gamma Emerald]

No I like the gimmick
If I figure it out I’ll stay mum but I’ll def use it to read you

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess the deadline's paused anyway, feel like this is the best time to just replace out frankly

Pls don’t

[Gamma Emerald]

BTw since yuriko is replacing our I’m gonna wipe the query point for her from my personal records. The scumpoint related to it remains.

[Gamma Emerald]

I tried to get started on the next batch and thought I was on track but I keep stalling because there’s a dead zone where nothing catches my eye
I’ll keep working on it but it’ll take some time

[Gamma Emerald]

seeking replacement for yurikojasmine

consider the deadline paused, i will figure out how to extend it once slots are filled

Lol I ruby'd
Ah well

GOD, DAMMIT
I think that might change how your posts look
Fuck me...

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck, that’s killing my will to read the rest of the game over along with my pre-existing block
I think I’ll just work with what I got from the first 8 pages, with the slightest chance of looking over robot specifically in light of this reveal.

[Gamma Emerald]

So like nothing you posted struck me as scummy but Vizzy was super scummy to me
So it’s a massive struggle for me rn
I think if you’re not in doubt by the others I’m gonna put you in my townblock and if it fails I’m gonna go after you first

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn’t see what I suspect to be his damning tell, but he didn’t have a chance to show it given how early he left
But I looked at MiniDeathStar’s tell list and he seems to have hit a lot of those

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk if I said this btw but I thought you could be Completely Trustworthy, he was accused of having a calculator/robotic tone in a past game so it would have been sensible for him to go ham on that element to show how not-robotic he is by comparison

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not sure what minideathstar's tell list is, and probably wouldn't be using generic scumtells to read such an infamously lynchable player

pedit: Ooo nice

MDS’ list focuses on a lot of the WiFoMy scum plays, the ones they make for Refuge in Audacity, and just things not normally focused on when reading someone
What’s soecial is it has its own point system, different to mine but it has a resemblance. FYI I made my point system before finding that tell list

[Gamma Emerald]

The worst, since you've played with some of the people in this list multiple times, can you expand on how strong your reads are on them based on your personal experience and which are based purely on play this game?

I second this motion

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are people townreading Raya
He hasn’t seemed scummy but he’s been low impact and hasn’t struck many chords

[Gamma Emerald]

i wonder why it seems so hard to get replacements for this game.

There’s a general replacement drought tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll look into bringing some homesite friends
Please be nice to them if they join

[Gamma Emerald]

Avoid personal attacks, stuff like that
Our community is pretty tight-knit do we don’t have a lot of personality clashing like what happens here
If certain users like RC were in the game I would NOT be doing this

[Gamma Emerald]

RC is fine at the game beyond my one gripe
But when it comes to interpersonal elements he has a lot to improve on

[Gamma Emerald]

hi! I wasn't gonna play coalition twice, but I just like schadd and the playerlist so much and it would be really great to win this setup with the coalition twice

Hmmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

hi! I wasn't gonna play coalition twice, but I just like schadd and the playerlist so much and it would be really great to win this setup with the coalition twice

Hmmmm

So I’m thinking Irrel’s “oh winning through coalition twice would be fun” is a little bit extravagant and LAMIST
I’m aware I said something to the same effect but mine wasn’t as unprompted as his as DVa asked my alignment

[Gamma Emerald]

hi! I wasn't gonna play coalition twice, but I just like schadd and the playerlist so much and it would be really great to win this setup with the coalition twice

Hmmmm

So I’m thinking Irrel’s “oh winning through coalition twice would be fun” is a little bit extravagant and LAMIST
I’m aware I said something to the same effect but mine wasn’t as unprompted as his as DVa asked my alignment

good thing I wrote other posts huh

So? The fact you merely posted other things doesn’t change how off that looks

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd also think the Gamma!read would have wavered if Dva were town and Gamma were scum (given Dva's pretty good at solving based on the newbie we played together)

this might read as an insult to Gamma's ability to read Dva but I don't mean it that way
I have no clue how good dva might be as scum, so idk how reasonable it is to expect town!gamma to scumread scum!dva

I did catch DVa out the first time I played them, but they were obv lurkerscum that game so I doubt I can pull the same thing off again.

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh beyond that one line what Relly’s been posting is pretty pure

[Gamma Emerald]

part of me wonders if I should float a coalition without NSG but I don't think commanding this kind of

presence

as a wolf is within her range

Yeah, NSG was solid town early on and I don’t think that’s changed

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald: The Dark Wanderer, northsidegal, Gamma Emerald, YurikoJasmine
What I’m at rn
I’m willing to leave out Yuriko as long as the slot remains unfilled but I do think there’s some towniness to her posting
As for the rest I think Irrel is a good choice now, and I also think I’d want 1 of DVa/skitter but not sure which I prefer

[Gamma Emerald]

Woah, Tesxx and DRW are so scummy at least until

page 4

that it's scary

More so Tesxx, he is like, coming too strong. DRW kinda seems like scum a bit inexperienced (my opinion )

Gamma being mildly scummy

I would post my impressions of other players posts but that would take too long and I don't think it is that helpful.

Have ended

page 8

and I'm this is the most important news:

I feel that DVa is trying to put her own coalition foward but without really reconsidering the people on it. It doesn't sound much like someone that is worried about the coalition failing, but more like someone that want to get create a consensus of town reading the people she indicated. I mean, part of this is every town objective but the way she goes at it seems kinda rash and unnatural. I dunno if it's because of her personality or because of her aligment though. What you yourself say about that DVa?

probs robot feels town superficially but mmmh, I think a experienced scum player can fake that with a bit of effort, yes.

Skitter is being reasonable.

Hmm these highlighted things look kinda off. They’re the same points I used for my retread do it seems imitative.

[Gamma Emerald]

do you think scum!Nibbui is imitating your catchup?

Yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

can you show me where and talk me through why?

You saw my fucking retread, why are you playing dumb?
And it could be a way to optimize catching up, but my optimization was formed to my method of sorting posts, which was well-served by cutting the thread into 100 post chucks. I doubt you did the same method.

[Gamma Emerald]

I know he’s not parroting my method exactly, that’d be cosmic coincidence levels of crazy
But it looks similar to the point I felt it needed discussion

[Gamma Emerald]

HURT: Nibbui btw

[Gamma Emerald]

can you show me where and talk me through why?

You saw my fucking retread, why are you playing dumb?

???
I'm not playing dumb at all. I really have no idea what you're talking about, and there's no reason for me to lie about that as either aligment. I probably don't remember it at all.

and like, you still didn't answer me what would be "off" if I was actually using a similar method to yours

to organize my catchup

? (that you can check and see that it's more similar to NSG's)

I'm kinda...wtf...

TW was playing dumb. I was trying to respond to two people at once.
And I don’t recall NSG using those numbers. It’s the numbers that struck me as odd.

[Gamma Emerald]

TW was playing dumb. I was trying to respond to two people at once.
And I don’t recall NSG using those numbers. It’s the numbers that struck me as odd.

She used to use at least when catching up a lot after replacing. I can stop reading the game to go search for it but...really Gamma?

Also, you still didn't answer me what is remotely suspicious if I was to use a similar method to make my catchup more understandable?

My issue is it resembles how I was reading things in this game. Past games are irrelevant.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway:
What are your reads rn Nibbui? Any posts you find important?

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI I also felt like I wasn’t in the game as much as I should be around then
It’s why I decided to go back and reread

[Gamma Emerald]

I like Nibbui’s last 3 posts -.-

[Gamma Emerald]

Sup

Sup

I'm on page 35 and kinda tired of reading

already skimming some posts

game got stalled for sure there

DVa post about replacement kinda got me, but you never know

It would help if I could get a good read on Gamma, my PoE list and Coalition would be thankful

Jeez where was this version of you in Lynch the Wolves

[Gamma Emerald]

Sup

Sup

I'm on page 35 and kinda tired of reading

already skimming some posts

game got stalled for sure there

DVa post about replacement kinda got me, but you never know

It would help if I could get a good read on Gamma, my PoE list and Coalition would be thankful

Jeez where was this version of you in Lynch the Wolves

haha

sorry that I replaced out there, it would be pretty fun to actually scream in the thread just as much as I was screaming in the dead thread for Math & Titus lynch

Were you spoiled? Don’t lie cos I’ll find out. If you weren’t spoiled you’ll gain a lot more credibility in the accuracy department

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh
I might look into those and see if I can’t notice what is different.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have my own alting plans
I don’t know what I want to do with them though, as my main hope for them (meta re-writing) kinda feels pointless now)
I could just use it as an excuse to play in a certain fashion.

[Gamma Emerald]

ok, so I just checked the Votecount and TW, DWa and Gama are all voting for themselves. Irrelephant coliation isn't complete though so he could still vote for himself.

haha

you guys all calling me scum but you're pretty suspicious yourself:lol:

I might get a lot more from mechanics I guess, later or if I feel energetic right now I'll start to mull over some actions.

Voting for yourself is suspicious how...??!?!!?? Like, their needs to be agreement on a group of 5, it’s pretty likely one of those group of five will be voting for that group
In fact it’s literally impossible from an arithmetic standpoint for no one in the coalition to vote for themselves for it
This feels kinda shady but maybe you’re just not used to this sort of thing idk...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Voting for yourself is suspicious how...??!?!!?? Like, their needs to be agreement on a group of 5, it’s pretty likely one of those group of five will be voting for that group
In fact it’s literally impossible from an arithmetic standpoint for no one in the coalition to vote for themselves for it
This feels kinda shady but maybe you’re just not used to this sort of thing idk...?

I get it, voting for yourself raises the town chance of winning, but it's also essential for scum to put themselves or their partner in.

Gamma, that reminds me, you didn't answer me why you actually thought it was so *off* me using a similar system to catching up (and I already explained that that wasn't the case as well).

I mean, I can kinda imagine you wanting a reason to drop your read on Yukino and get a more popular coalition with yourself inside? Not that I can't see a town pov.

I'm mulling it over.

Well I’m not super sure on my initial feelings towards how you were catching up. You made it rather clear that you were using a past method, so my suspicions were kinda misguided. You still used the same numbers as me but that can be coincidence.
And don’t think that scum I’d just self-heal. Last time I played this setup I was scum and I actually went against the grain of your theory with the hope of swinging people around towards including me (it failed). So I’m open to more unconventional plays than you might expect.

[Gamma Emerald]

Just woke up and there was something a bit wrong with me yesterday, I was sleepy and tired of reading so I got throw off more than I would like by the commotion, even more when I had to at the same time catch up with around 42 pages in one-go.

I suppose I'm more cool-headed now and can even deal with TDW without getting worked up, maybe.

I still kinda feel good about the oath, although I know it's not as functional as I would like it to be.

I overestimated a bit Skitter/TDW towniness on second thought, I keep not liking how Skitter never wavered on her TDW read because it's not clear for me yet how you couldn't doubt even a little him, I ~~confused~~ TDW with someone I know and that messed up my view on him a bit, I don't think it's wrong to find fault on some of his motivations or actions, like how he handed some reads easily and aggresively suggested to people around him to put him in the coalition (If NM is scum the other partner needs to get in the coalition doesn't matter what way).

That said, with the exception of NSG they might still be my best shots here for now.

I don't think it's a bad idea to think scum can be bussing each other by arguing like Irrelephant suggested, {TDW & TW} and {Skitter & DVa} aren't impossible despiste all arguing. Maybe it's exactly to insert only one of themselves in the coalition at the same time of distancing themselves from their partner.

Irrelephant keeps smooth as ever for me, and that's not necessarily scummy, but neither towny. He's good.

Gamma it's your time to shine, every town-good-boy is craving some enlightning posts from you.

Well I’ve commented on everything I care to comment on

[Gamma Emerald]

So like, if you want more, ask specific questions?

[Gamma Emerald]

So like, if you want more, ask specific questions?

who are you willing to heal for the final post in your coalition?

Possible scum teams now that NM/Nibbui is impossible?

Why is NM/Nibbui impossible; because you made a decision to try and “confirm” yourself? I don’t trust the reasoning behind that.
As for my final coalition I’d like NSG, I want DVa and skitter too, don’t see why there is a dichotomy between them. I also want TDW. Relly could swap in for one of those or take my place I guess. You, NM, and TW are slots I just don’t want in.

[Gamma Emerald]

Coalition comes before lynch so we’ll find out if it fails before day 1 lynch and flip
And even if you’re 100% sincere about you and NM not being a team, you could still be paired with anyone else, so it doesn’t change the fact you’re individually scummy, and the fact you’re focusing on the team implications rather than individual reads really reflects poorly on you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Which is

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait you were the union
...I geeet it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I had fun despite getting disengaged around the middle