Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Flicker]

Oooo interesting cop on RK. This is what I got.

My immediate reaction is "this is scum." IIRC, this is from right before Simon saves River in the movie, when the doctor's experimenting on/torturing her. More specifically, this scene is framed as a video being watched by the Operative (therefore RK = the Operative?).

But, given how the Simon/River video had such a nice tone for the HoB cop, IDK.

If RK is scum (especially a lone scum), though, it would help make sense of Nancy jumping back into a hydra after Tora left. And like I already said, I have found their posting to be lacking - redundant, confused/wrong, and just weird at times, especially with the insistence that there is or could be a second doctor (and therefore someone's lying/withholding their full claim - are they maybe projecting because

they're

the liars?).

Pedit: How does this still fit with being a Doctor Enabler, exactly?

[Jingle]

the game would have ended already otherwise

?

[BuJaber]

Then I guess whatever the Reavers are have a rolecop or something then, because they got no reason to roleblock a Daycop.

I realise this is very stupid considering I'm saying they invested the Daycop, but whatever.

Also, can you tell me what I gained from saying I hid on top of Thor and lost my BP? I'm Ascetic so it wouldn't have mattered much anyway wherever I visit since you couldnt track it.

Okay fine ... honest question..if you were in our place and the game continued.. town don't win, our mumbers start to dwindle. When would you suggest we lynch the survivor claim? How many townies can we afford to lose before we have to do it is the question?

Lylo? Lylo -1? Lylo-2? Lylo -3?

Bear in mind that we would only be guessing when lylo is.

[RightKnight]

I'm literally telling you the information I have for you. N1 I hid behind Cheeky. Fine. N2 is Thor. Lost my BP. N3 did jackshit. I'm alive.

What's so complicated in thinking Thor attacked my slot and HoB killed Thor?

Why wouldn’t you hide behind anyone N3? If you believe scum killed Thor, why would you assume you would be safe?

[Elsa Jay]

Because I claimed Survivor, they didnt know Thor was opposing Scum, and I just got in the way before? The clearly didn't want to waste their time on me.

[Flicker]

Yeah, scratch what I said about Elsa, RK seems like a better lynch now. The only town role I can see with that result is Simon, and we have a better Simon claim already.

VOTE: RightKnight

[BuJaber]

Is there some reason why y'all don't want to confirm Chara's claim before we move on? It'll take less than a day..

[Elsa Jay]

As for the Survivor "when the lynch" thing, Jaber?

Never. I literally went out my way to try and fuck scum by trying to give Neutrals their wincon.

[Malakittens]

Great so I’m losing either way because we aren’t going to lynch mal.

Yet town is so fucking ahead it’s crazy

[Almost50]

@Almost50, can use please confirm whether or not a passive LR, could show up as an action to a MD?

1- Please

bold

questions directed at me so I won't miss them.

2- I already did. I am treating the Lightning Rod as an

action targeting

everyone else. Jingle kindly even corrected me that this would be a self-mass-redirector, and RR agreed, so that's what it is in application.

[RightKnight]

Oooo interesting cop on RK. This is what I got.

My immediate reaction is "this is scum." IIRC, this is from right before Simon saves River in the movie, when the doctor's experimenting on/torturing her. More specifically, this scene is framed as a video being watched by the Operative (therefore RK = the Operative?).

But, given how the Simon/River video had such a nice tone for the HoB cop, IDK.

If RK is scum (especially a lone scum), though, it would help make sense of Nancy jumping back into a hydra after Tora left. And like I already said, I have found their posting to be lacking - redundant, confused/wrong, and just weird at times, especially with the insistence that there is or could be a second doctor (and therefore someone's lying/withholding their full claim - are they maybe projecting because

they're

the liars?).

Pedit: How does this still fit with being a Doctor Enabler, exactly?

I wanted to play in a hydra, that’s what I originally signed up for. It looks like something medical, I’m assuming because it looks like a doctor’s office or hospital?

Why couldn’t there be a 2nd doctor? Why would Tails JK Chick and not ever say RR should verify his bg claim?

A50 already proved that we can’t take the clues literally with HoB not being in the Serenity trailer, right?

[Jingle]

I'm fine with confirming the loved claim, FWIW. I'm just also aware that it's a stupid fakeclaim to make, so I'm operating under the assumption it's true for the moment.

Besides, I need to spend enough time to figure out mutual confirmations based on roles and actions, so I'm in no rush to end the day period.

[Jingle]

Jingle kindly

I'm not kind. Rabble rabble rabble.

[BuJaber]

So the optimal strategy for town in a game with survivor claims is to hope the survivor is telling the truth. Got it, thanks for being honest at least.

[RightKnight]

Yeah, scratch what I said about Elsa, RK seems like a better lynch now. The only town role I can see with that result is Simon, and we have a better Simon claim already.

VOTE: RightKnight

Is Simon the only doc in the story? Didn’t someone say there were multiple docs - not in the game but either in the series/movie?

[Chara]

the game would have ended already otherwise

?

Almost confirmed to me that if a lyncher is the only anti-town element left, the lyncher just loses. this is from the wiki.
it's the same for a survivor. if elsa's wincon is just to survive, then we shouldn't need to kill him.
assuming both of the claims are true, the game should be over if there's no other threats to town, with Elsa winning with us and Mala failing to lynch Mal.
the fact that the game continues means there are more threats.
whether that's some other party, or one of Elsa/Mala lying, that i can't say for certain.

[Jingle]

Great so I’m losing either way because we aren’t going to lynch mal.

Yet town is so fucking ahead it’s crazy

Actually, it looks like Lyncher is incompatible with town the way I intended to have you win anyway. A50 confirmed this to me when I asked to double check Chara.

Sorry, Mala.

[Chara]

So the optimal strategy for town in a game with survivor claims is to hope the survivor is telling the truth. Got it, thanks for being honest at least.

haha.

this is why i suggest third parties stay hidden. funnily enough, claiming that you aren't town and asking town to be nice and let you win is not optimal strategy!

[Chara]

Great so I’m losing either way because we aren’t going to lynch mal.

Yet town is so fucking ahead it’s crazy

Actually, it looks like Lyncher is incompatible with town the way I intended to have you win anyway. A50 confirmed this to me when I asked to double check Chara.

Sorry, Mala.

you wanted to eliminate all scum and then give Mala the win too, i assume?
yes, there's no way to do it without purposely leaving a scum alive first, which is not worth the risk in my opinion.

[Jingle]

Is Simon the only doc in the story? Didn’t someone say there were multiple docs - not in the game but either in the series/movie?

There are no other docs who are Pro Serenity.

I said pretty early on that Almost could maybe have used an institute doc as a survivor, because they never actually oppose the Serenity (In fact, they all get murdered by the alliance) and that Niska's crew had the potential for having their own Doc role given Niska's whole slowly torture people to death gig. Neither is a good fit to flavor, and both were reaches to justify leaving EJ alone because I lowkey suspected that he was a town doc fakeclaiming to stay alive longer.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Mala

Because honestly I don’t want to keep having to post in a game where I won’t win.

[Jingle]

you wanted to eliminate all scum and then give Mala the win too, i assume?

Yup. I was hoping the game end mechanic of "All threats to town are dead" would let us give Mala the win too by leaving only mala as scum left alive. Didn't realize that it wouldn't work that way, and I'm sorry for the false hope. I agree with a confirmation of non Lyncher scum we can't afford to give Mala a joint win.

I feel like an ass, keeping you here for so long with no chance of payoff Mala. Sorry.

[Jingle]

VOTE: Mala

Don't really want to end the day yet, btw, but there isn't a reason to keep Mala around anymore.

[BuJaber]

VOTE: Mala

Because honestly I don’t want to keep having to post in a game where I won’t win.

Help us find scum to end the game faster

[CheekyTeeky]

It will be good when I get shot actually because you will get to see my flavour which should help silence other doubts about other slots or there being a another doc which is a ridiculous theory when everyone has claimed. I think we lynch Mala today to protect Mal and give her a break and then lynch the hydra because they won't have any roles to enable if I am dead. If I flip something not Simon that'll actually help more than flipping Simon but it seems unlikely at this point. Good luck guys Im pretty confident town wins now.