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Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:05 am

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no confirmation?

and first
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Post Post #5 (isolation #1) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:06 am

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VOTE: Dr J-sth
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Post Post #6 (isolation #2) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:14 am

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In post 1, ManateeDude wrote:
Mafia Role PM

Spoiler:
You are a
Goon
(aligned with the town).

Your teammates are: […]
You can talk to them at any time on the mafia chat. [Link]

Each phase you may vote a player in order to send them to Heaven or Hell.

You win when majority of the Mafia is sent to Heaven.
You lose when majority of the Mafia is sent to Hell.

[link] to the game thread.
btw
@manatee
, just noticed that you put "aligned with the
town
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Post Post #7 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:15 am

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goons reveal yourselves!
lol

that's what you get from copy-pasting stuff
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Post Post #8 (isolation #4) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:16 am

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I'm actually kinda curious if the goons got that in their RCs as well or is it just a one-time thing
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Post Post #11 (isolation #5) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:18 am

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In post 10, Lefty wrote:
In post 8, LabRat01 wrote:I'm actually kinda curious if the goons got that in their RCs as well or is it just a one-time thing
Did you double check?
fortunately I can't
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Post Post #12 (isolation #6) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:19 am

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wanna check it for me?
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Post Post #14 (isolation #7) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:22 am

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Post Post #16 (isolation #8) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:55 am

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In post 15, Carmen wrote:
In post 12, LabRat01 wrote:wanna check it for me?
Nah, it's not there.

VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmen
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?
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Post Post #17 (isolation #9) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:06 pm

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ugh, I was talking about the town RC if it wasn't obvious

I was re-reading the thread and noticed that my post could be understood as a disgusting joke
that vote was half-serious, it was not pure RvS, so read it as so

and c'mon, someone write sth
it's boring being here alone
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Post Post #18 (isolation #10) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:18 pm

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sigh, gn
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Post Post #22 (isolation #11) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:35 pm

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oof, I was just about to explain my bullshit theory in detail :/
that's a shame
vote stays though
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Post Post #24 (isolation #12) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:39 pm

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In post 20, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard :lol:
Lcp aka mr hyde
hi btw, I've read the first 10-ish pages of your first newb game on MS. You played well, I prob wouldn't have been able to catch you
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Post Post #25 (isolation #13) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:40 pm

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uhh, dunno if the grammar is correct, but w/e

I'm prob gonna be making a lot of grammar mistakes btw. I'm not really good at it
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Post Post #26 (isolation #14) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:43 pm

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In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?
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Post Post #27 (isolation #15) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:44 pm

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and why do you want to roll scum with them
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Post Post #30 (isolation #16) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:55 pm

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In post 28, Keyser Söze wrote:Currently reading Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde's and LabRat01's posts to/in relation with eachother... I will give a supported estimation whether they are scum partners in the next half hour.

@Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - is there a way of abbreviating your name brother? It's quite a mouthful.
do it

btw, DrJ is a hydra of korina and LCpl Jones (or sth like that) so unless the "brother" you're talking about is fat enough to count as 2, you should prob be using plurals
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Post Post #31 (isolation #17) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:56 pm

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In post 29, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 26, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?
For some reason I thought it was a 7:2 setup... learnt from the OP that there are in fact three mafia! :o "majority of scum" makes sense now though: we only need to send two mafia to hell to win (?).
the worst is a great character to play with as town or scum -
I think we would have just as much fun together as town or scum
.
In the Watchmen game we were both town.
yep

do you think you'll be able to read him?
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Post Post #34 (isolation #18) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:00 pm

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In post 32, Lefty wrote:Jesus this site formatting makes phone posting hard

@Soze I’m not sure how serious I should be reading you rn
you should always be serious


(no, but seriusly, the game won't progress on its own so just do sth)

btw, does that mean IF you were serious, you'd have a read on him? mind elaborating?
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Post Post #35 (isolation #19) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:04 pm

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oof, just noticed I understood the post wong
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Post Post #41 (isolation #20) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:51 pm

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In post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,
as partners
, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre game
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it
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Post Post #71 (isolation #21) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:03 am

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In post 51, the worst wrote:Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?
Don’t cross the line though or a tragedy may occur
Spoiler: nudity and severe congenital defects
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That’s better
Spoiler: NSFW
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ԅ( ˘ω˘ԅ)
so many animal avatars in the game...
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Post Post #72 (isolation #22) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:03 am

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Uhh ಠ_ಠ
It was stronger than me, I just had to xd
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Post Post #73 (isolation #23) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:03 am

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Sorry
That was a really bad joke
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Post Post #74 (isolation #24) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:05 am

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In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
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Post Post #76 (isolation #25) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:12 am

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In post 55, Lefty wrote:What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?
You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.
Possibly younger

It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to write
anything
that might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.
Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here
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Post Post #77 (isolation #26) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:14 am

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@Manatee
, could you include the countdown in the VCs?
Please

And you should prob change D1 to Hell Phase 1. It’s not important rn, but it might be easier for those replacing in and reading the game after it ends if you make it clear.
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Post Post #78 (isolation #27) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:15 am

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In post 63, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,
as partners
, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
You'll notice it's primarily one sided - I would see it more as him trying to pocket us (I'm assuming that word means scum buddying town - or have I been using that word wrong? :lol:)

Lcp
Do you think I was pocketing you?
In post 65, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I don't agree that much with this. Imo people should be held accountable for their words even in RVS. Esp. in later days it can show a lot in hindsight.

For reference I usually get on twice or three times a day then disappear between that so please don't think I'm lurking - that's my usual pattern :P

Korina should hopefully be here soon.
that’s already a rather high activity as for this site
/shrug
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Post Post #80 (isolation #28) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:18 am

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In post 26, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
were you planning to say this since before the game started?
I’m still waiting for an answer to that one
(not talking about the increased odds, but about rolling scum with duck)
Wanted to ask why are you avoiding my question, but you did actually respond but in another way, so /shrug...
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Post Post #81 (isolation #29) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:21 am

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In post 79, Keyser Söze wrote:Don’t think I’ve ever played with a rat.


(FTR: it’s usually me brown-nosing Irrellephant)

P.s consensual might I add
I don't think we've ever played together, I did play with some other players in here though
not sure if enough to be confident in meta-reading them though :/
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Post Post #83 (isolation #30) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:23 am

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In post 79, Keyser Söze wrote:(FTR: it’s usually me brown-nosing Irrellephant)

P.s consensual might I add
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Post Post #84 (isolation #31) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:25 am

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In post 82, Keyser Söze wrote:I half answered it/revised post because of *ongoing game*...

But yeah, I went into this game thinking... ‘if I’m scum, I hope it’s with the worst!’

(I prefer scum hunting though, as VT my ideal role)
hey, what do you think of TW rn? can you comment on the posts I wrote?
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Post Post #86 (isolation #32) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:29 am

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I'm not really reading it as "associations". Idk if anything would change if it was SvS/TvS/TvT
just individual reads


but I was talking about that conversation, do you have any thoughts on it?
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Post Post #88 (isolation #33) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:33 am

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In post 87, Keyser Söze wrote:Me and TW are in love with eachother right now, but his introduction was maybe 15% buddy-esque towards me (from his point of you I bet he thinks I was trying to buddy him too! (Maybe at 5% output though). But at least I’ve looked at other players! :giggle: I don’t think his priority should be to sort me first, that was a surprising post from him.

P.EDIT will look at conversation now
actually, agree with that. Besides the short read on Lefty, he hasn't done anything other than interact with you
In post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
and btw, that was the read I wanted you to comment on
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Post Post #99 (isolation #34) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:52 am

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In post 92, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 16, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 15, Carmen wrote:
In post 12, LabRat01 wrote:wanna check it for me?
Nah, it's not there.

VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmen
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?
I'm personally not really sure what to make of this post. I get it if its a joke, however, it feels awkward. It feels like the joke fell flat after he continued it on, and said that his vote was semi-serious, (which, why was it semi-serious?). That doesn't really sit well with me atm. Its reading to me like he's certain that Carmen is actually scum and trying to do that to get cleared as town, which, would imply that Carmen is scum as well.

I read Carmen's post as a joke, (which, admittedly, I'd have done too), and their post is fine. It's actually alright. It doesn't bother me. Lab's post does actually bother me however. I can see him thinking Carmen's post isn't a joke, (when I'm pretty sure it is one—unless Carmen is a god-tier scum-player and can get away with that), however, his reaction to the joke feels wrong.
That was a bullshit read based on my imagination of how a mafia’s reaction to getting a town alignment would look like. Carmen’s post was a joke, but it was written in a safe way, that could come from mafia who wanted to joke about it, but was too stressed to open-wolf right at the beginning of the game.
(by lying and saying that “there was nothing in their RC”, they could give themselves a bit more leeway than if they wrote “lol, it’s really there”)
I could explain it better, but I think manatee wouldn’t really like it
But yes, it is connected to how I see my role card and what I know about the host
This was never meant to be a joke, but after writing the post I realized that it could be misunderstood in a really wrong way. There isn’t anything more to it
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Post Post #100 (isolation #35) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:52 am

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In post 92, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 41, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,
as partners
, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre game
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it
Why not?
What why not?
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Post Post #101 (isolation #36) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:55 am

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In post 98, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor
does creature lurk as scum? is it like a general rule or just a shitter read
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Post Post #110 (isolation #37) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:00 am

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In post 103, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 99, LabRat01 wrote:That was a bullshit read based on my imagination of how a mafia’s reaction to getting a town alignment would look like. Carmen’s post was a joke, but it was written in a safe way, that could come from mafia who wanted to joke about it, but was too stressed to open-wolf right at the beginning of the game.
(by lying and saying that “there was nothing in their RC”, they could give themselves a bit more leeway than if they wrote “lol, it’s really there”)
I could explain it better, but I think manatee wouldn’t really like it
But yes, it is connected to how I see my role card and what I know about the host
This was never meant to be a joke, but after writing the post I realized that it could be misunderstood in a really wrong way. There isn’t anything more to it
What makes you think that scum would post that in thread though? Why wouldn't they PM Manatee or post it in their PT? What do they have to gain by posting that in the thread? FMPOV, scum wouldn't want to only because then they run the risk of accidentally outing themselves, and that would put town one step closer to winning, (only requiring one more mafia to be sent to hell to win).
Lol, you’re reading it in a really weird way. You’re assuming that mafia doesn’t make awkward jokes because they’re afraid of outing themselves. That’s obviously not the case

Sure, they could have said nothing, but you cannot assume that “being cautious” will stop scum from posting jokes. It’s not that “they will gain anything”, it’s that “they thought it’s fun and they thought that they couldn’t lose anything by just joking around (while taking the necessary safety measures)”. Which I refuted by SRing them
In post 103, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I would've done the same thing as Carman in that situation; I'd have jokingly said "No, its not there, it says Mafia however". If you don't believe me on that, the newbie game with LCPL and myself, I jokingly claimed SK at the very start of the game.
And yeeeah, I believe you would say that. I would have been totally SRing you in the newb game you and LCpl were in. The tone in your posts was really weird and your arguments tended to miss the point so damn much (at least in the first few pages)…
Btw, I was supposed to ask you for that in the beginning of the game, but I forgot. Could you link me to a finished scum game of yours? A good one if possible
In post 103, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I don't really see RVS jokes as AI, but rather as NAI. It's RVS memes. Sure, Carman saying that is plausible suspicion, however, you aren't really taking into account the RVS aspect of it. Additionally, if that post isn't a joke, then IMO, that makes it incredibly scummy, because I'm seeing it as you're pretty sure that Carmen is actually scum, and that was a slip. What benefit does Carmen (or the scum team) get if they are actually scum, and they do obv!scum early D1? Wouldn't it be better for Carmen to
not
do that then?
And oh god, have I not said enough that it was not a fully developed read?
Were you expecting me to go all wishy-washy and explain myself in every post that I’m not actually that confident in it? Seriously, even if I wanted to do that, that’s just not how you push people
Jeez, just c’mon, that would be just bad
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Post Post #111 (isolation #38) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:01 am

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In post 103, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 100, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 92, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 41, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,
as partners
, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre game
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it
Why not?
What why not?
Why wouldn't you have time after the game started?
I’m a slow reader, reading 10 pages (especially in a game with a lot of walls) would take me a few hours. Besides, I was rather active on the thread early on, so I would have to be distracting myself all the time, which would make reading that even longer -_-
Idk how much time was from day-start to the point when I said that I’ve read the game, but it shouldn’t be more than 0,5-1 hour
That’s just not a thing I’d be able to do
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Post Post #112 (isolation #39) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:05 am

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In post 107, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you
honestly, that joke feels a bit off

but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e


more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:
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Post Post #114 (isolation #40) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:14 am

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In post 107, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 68, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote: I am here, game started when I was asleep.
@Mod, could we have what phase it is put in the thread title?

(Ik that we should know, however, just so its always known and someone can't use the argument of "well I didn't know it was (phase), otherwise I wouldn't have hammered them!")
slight townlean for this (more because it's Korina than if it was anyone else)
elaborate on this please
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Post Post #117 (isolation #41) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:16 am

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In post 107, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
I really don't know what is being said here
Yep, I've read it three times and still don't know

The post could be read either as
“duck being unsure of his reads and asking Left to post his reads, so that he can sheep them”
(which makes no sense)
OR it could be read as
“duck asking Left for reads and then conveniently explaining WHY he’s asking him for reads, by showcasing his townie motivations”.

You don’t usually need to show off how townie you are when asking someone for reads
And I think it’s scummy
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Post Post #118 (isolation #42) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:17 am

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clicked submit instead of preview...
ugh
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Post Post #119 (isolation #43) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:18 am

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btw, I get the feeling that the players who haven't posted yet should be PMed to inform them that the game has started...
They might be just unaware of that cuz there was no day-start PM

dunno of it's possible to do that at this point of the game though :/
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Post Post #121 (isolation #44) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:19 am

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In post 116, Irrelephant11 wrote:labrat come vote the worst with me
sure
VOTE: the worstVOTE:
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Post Post #122 (isolation #45) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:20 am

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ugh
VOTE: the worst
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Post Post #127 (isolation #46) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:42 am

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friendly reminder that Majority is 5 and duck has 3 votes on him rn

just don't hammer when not even a day has passed since SoD
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Post Post #141 (isolation #47) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:57 am

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In post 133, Irrelephant11 wrote:hmm I could see a left/tw s/s here
elaborate on the read please
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Post Post #142 (isolation #48) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:58 am

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In post 134, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 112, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 107, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you
honestly, that joke feels a bit off

but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e


more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:
HOLD ON, WAIT A FUCKING MOMENT:
Why the fuck is Irrel allowed to make a joke about them being scum, and have it be dismissed as RVS, yet Carmen can do the same exact thing,
during
RVS, and yet gets called out for being scummy on it?
Something really isn't adding up on here.
I think Lab is flipping scum.

I'll read up on TW case/post replies in a bit.
omg, because it's NOT RVS ANYMORE
The read on Carmen was supposed to both:
-allow me to push my read
and more importantly
-create some content to get us OUT of RvS.

I've reached the goal and I'm satisfied with it, I'm obviously not gonna make a big deal out of a RvS post when I've got stronger stuff to base my reads on
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Post Post #145 (isolation #49) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:00 am

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In post 135, Keyser Söze wrote:That's weird, I've just been handed a note:

"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"

- C R E A T U R E
is it a joke, or what? I don't get it
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Post Post #151 (isolation #50) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:16 am

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In post 146, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 142, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 134, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 112, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 107, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you
honestly, that joke feels a bit off

but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e


more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:
HOLD ON, WAIT A FUCKING MOMENT:
Why the fuck is Irrel allowed to make a joke about them being scum, and have it be dismissed as RVS, yet Carmen can do the same exact thing,
during
RVS, and yet gets called out for being scummy on it?
Something really isn't adding up on here.
I think Lab is flipping scum.

I'll read up on TW case/post replies in a bit.
omg, because it's NOT RVS ANYMORE
The read on Carmen was supposed to both:
-allow me to push my read
and more importantly
-create some content to get us OUT of RvS.

I've reached the goal and I'm satisfied with it, I'm obviously not gonna make a big deal out of a RvS post when I've got stronger stuff to base my reads on
See bolded:
In post 112, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 107, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you
honestly, that joke feels a bit off

but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e



more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:

Additionally, Carmen's post was made on post #15, which is very clearly still within the bounds of RVS.
If anything, you should be saying
Irrel's
post was scummy, not
Carmen's
.
YES, it was RvS. BOTH posts were RvS, but there's way more info rn than it was at the beginning and that's what makes the difference.

I feel you're still putting a bit too much weight to my Carmen read. It was overblown a bit, but it was for the purpose of getting the early push. As long as carmen provides more content than that, I won't care about the read for long.

Irre did post more and I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long so I don't really feel the need to push him for sth that I don't even feel would give me much. Both situations are fundamentally different

please say what's unclear to you
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Post Post #154 (isolation #51) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:17 am

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In post 153, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 151, LabRat01 wrote:I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long
do I know you?
yep, you know my main
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Post Post #161 (isolation #52) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:22 am

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and yeah, elaborate on the vote, please
Besides the weird logic, I don't think their posts have been bad so far
def don't want them in heaven though

P.Edit:
got ninjaed 4 times xd

P.P.Edit:
5

P.P.P.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #53) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:09 am

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In post 164, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 151, LabRat01 wrote: YES, it was RvS. BOTH posts were RvS, but there's way more info rn than it was at the beginning and that's what makes the difference.

I feel you're still putting a bit too much weight to my Carmen read. It was overblown a bit, but it was for the purpose of getting the early push. As long as carmen provides more content than that, I won't care about the read for long.

Irre did post more and I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long so I don't really feel the need to push him for sth that I don't even feel would give me much. Both situations are fundamentally different

please say what's unclear to you
I'm just saying that it is highly hypocritical of you to allow Carmen to make a joke scum-claim and call it out, only to then allow Irrel to do the exact same thing and just dismiss it as RVS. You either don't call out either, or you call out both. You can't have your cake and eat it here.
And, no, both situations are
not
fundamentally different, both were made in RVS... please explain how rvs and rvs, but later in the game are fundamentally different. I'm just not seeing it.
First off, I don’t think I’d be able to gain much by pushing Irre for his post. I’ve never seen him as scum, but he seems composed enough to be able to shove off SRs like those many times over.

I didn’t expect to gain a good response from Carmen either. I’ve never played with them, but c’mon, you’d have to be a total newb not to be able to deal with stuff like that during RvS.

Getting a reaction WAS a part of why I posted the read (I mean, you never know?), but I mostly wanted to have sth I could make a big deal of and yell at the other players to either sheep me, get better reads, or get their asses brutally murdered and stabbed with a ladle to create art.

The description is overblown again, but you should get the point

The situation was different and my motivation was different too. I don’t feel a need to make a big deal out of sth I don’t even care that much about if it’s unlikely to do any good and the player is likely to provide better content later anyways.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #54) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:22 am

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In post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:See, but why would mafia want to make awkward jokes in the first place?
Because they suck
Don’t know, don’t care, but if mafia were that perfect and undetectable as you’re describing it, how would town ever manage to find them
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Post Post #174 (isolation #55) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:24 am

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In post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but, you are now saying that you are certain Carmen is scum, is that correct?
In post 17, LabRat01 wrote:that vote was half-serious
In post 99, LabRat01 wrote:That was a bullshit read based on my imagination
In post 110, LabRat01 wrote: And oh god, have I not said enough that it was not a fully developed read?
Were you expecting me to go all wishy-washy and explain myself in every post
that I’m not actually that confident in?
Seriously, even if I wanted to do that, that’s just not how you push people
Jeez, c’mon, that would be just bad
In post 142, LabRat01 wrote: The read on Carmen was supposed to both:
-allow me to push my read
and more importantly
-create some content to get us OUT of RvS.

I've reached the goal and I'm satisfied with it, I'm obviously not gonna make a big deal out of a RvS post when I've got stronger stuff to base my reads on
In post 151, LabRat01 wrote: It was overblown a bit, but it was for the purpose of getting the early push. As long as carmen provides more content than that, I won't care about the read for long.
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Post Post #175 (isolation #56) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:25 am

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and thx for the games
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Post Post #178 (isolation #57) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:27 am

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I'm not gonna answer the questions, I answered before.
just no, I've had enough
sorry
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Post Post #181 (isolation #58) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:31 am

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and I'm not gonna answer the bullshit ones

you can listen to that instead
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Post Post #184 (isolation #59) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:32 am

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In post 179, Creature wrote:Oh, you're an alt
sry to disappoint ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post Post #186 (isolation #60) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 am

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ok, you know what

I'm totally burnt out, I can't even focus anymore
stopped on post 170, gonna read the rest after I get some rest, bye
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Post Post #187 (isolation #61) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:36 am

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In post 185, Creature wrote:
In post 178, LabRat01 wrote:I'm not gonna answer the questions, I answered before.
just no, I've had enough
sorry
In post 181, LabRat01 wrote:and I'm not gonna answer the bullshit ones

you can listen to that instead
???
that was in response to korina's (Dr.J's) wall
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Post Post #188 (isolation #62) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:36 am

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now bye
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Post Post #340 (isolation #63) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:41 am

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In post 162, Irrelephant11 wrote:rat/drj... possible scum partners but only if they planned for early theater from the get go
makes me wish I knew who labrat was to know if that fits her personality but for now it seems less likely
this pings sliiightly townie
not too hard to fake but prob more townie than not
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Post Post #341 (isolation #64) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:42 am

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Korina’s latest posts were absolute bullshit, but tbh I’ve seen them write similar stuff as town. Still haven’t looked through any of their scum games, but I’ll do that before EoD

I like a few of LCpl’s posts though
I townread him slightly at the beginning of the game because the tone of his posts seemed to be much less careful and over-explained compared to his previous game.
And I think I like the way he interacted with korina a few times during the game
In post 212, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:N.b. if Korina voted anyone by page 9 I will revote not to disturb his scumhunting
Like this one. That’s not too strong, but this feels like he actually cares about what the other part of the hydra is doing.
I mean, unless he planned all of that before the game started, the change should be town-indicative

I’d still want to hear more from him though, because I don’t remember him posting a lot
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Post Post #342 (isolation #65) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:43 am

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In post 196, Creature wrote:Uh? Lefty, any game you didn't replace out?
You weren’t in any games lefty played so why did you decide to check them now?
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Post Post #343 (isolation #66) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:45 am

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In post 247, the worst wrote:
In post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
can you rephrase this post because it sounds like you're trying to allocate motive to my posting without wanting to appear too forceful which is filthyyyy

if you're asking a question please rephrase it as an open question i can actually give a qualitative answer to :) if you're town FYI, I don't take well to leading questions because they're manipulative and kill conversation in favour of agenda-forcing.
Underhanded, yeeeah
But effective

That was not exactly a question. The way you combined the request for reads with the explanation of why you’re doing it felt off and lamist.
And kinda buddyish/pocketish now that I look at it
Can you comment on that?
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Post Post #345 (isolation #67) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:47 am

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In post 254, the worst wrote:
In post 112, LabRat01 wrote:honestly
#wolfposting
I have never started an honest sentence with the worst "honestly"
I do, it’s just the way I talk
I used to overuse stuff like “tbh/tbf/ngl”, “imo”, etc not too long ago, but I’ve gotten better
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Post Post #346 (isolation #68) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:52 am

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In post 297, the worst wrote:
In post 17, LabRat01 wrote:ugh, I was talking about the town RC if it wasn't obvious

I was re-reading the thread and noticed that my post could be understood as a disgusting joke
that vote was half-serious, it was not pure RvS, so read it as so

and c'mon, someone write sth
it's boring being here alone
pings wolfy again that she was conscious enough of what she posted to feel like someone would read her post and assume she's talking about a scum rolecard
Ok, that’s fair
In post 297, the worst wrote:
In post 22, LabRat01 wrote:oof, I was just about to explain my bullshit theory in detail :/
that's a shame
vote stays though
early gamesolving was a typo in the mod post, speculation which >rand comes from scum before town, and an angleshooty theory which she can no longer post
she then does not explain why she's voteparking this
wait, I get that you didn’t like my explanation that the read is a read, but how was the read itself bad

and bullshit or not, it was still my only read back then and there wasn’t much to go off other than that so I don’t see why should I have changed the vote.
In post 297, the worst wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 24, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 20, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard :lol:
Lcp aka mr hyde
hi btw, I've read the first 10-ish pages of your first newb game on MS. You played well, I prob wouldn't have been able to catch you
either buddyish or pointless, net NAI

In post 25, LabRat01 wrote:uhh, dunno if the grammar is correct, but w/e

I'm prob gonna be making a lot of grammar mistakes btw. I'm not really good at it
In post 26, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?
In post 27, LabRat01 wrote:and why do you want to roll scum with them
NAI
either useless or 1% buddyish wrt lcp and 1% "easy interaction" aka. partner indicative with you
all things considered i probably swing NAI before anything else but welcome to the deep dark depths of my paranoia

In post 29, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 26, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?
For some reason I thought it was a 7:2 setup... learnt from the OP that there are in fact three mafia! :o "majority of scum" makes sense now though: we only need to send two mafia to hell to win (?).
the worst is a great character to play with as town or scum -
I think we would have just as much fun together as town or scum
.
In the Watchmen game we were both town.
In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 28, Keyser Söze wrote:Currently reading Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde's and LabRat01's posts to/in relation with eachother... I will give a supported estimation whether they are scum partners in the next half hour.

@Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - is there a way of abbreviating your name brother? It's quite a mouthful.
do it

btw, DrJ is a hydra of korina and LCpl Jones (or sth like that) so unless the "brother" you're talking about is fat enough to count as 2, you should prob be using plurals
w h o
c a r e s

In post 31, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 29, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 26, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?
For some reason I thought it was a 7:2 setup... learnt from the OP that there are in fact three mafia! :o "majority of scum" makes sense now though: we only need to send two mafia to hell to win (?).
the worst is a great character to play with as town or scum -
I think we would have just as much fun together as town or scum
.
In the Watchmen game we were both town.
yep

do you think you'll be able to read him?
fits within either town or scum ISO
imo this is not a solving post, just one that could be construed either way/i feel like i should be more emotive about if that makes sense?
In post 34, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 32, Lefty wrote:Jesus this site formatting makes phone posting hard

@Soze I’m not sure how serious I should be reading you rn
you should always be serious


(no, but seriusly, the game won't progress on its own so just do sth)

btw, does that mean IF you were serious, you'd have a read on him? mind elaborating?
In post 35, LabRat01 wrote:oof, just noticed I understood the post wong
1) lamist > solvey, 1% wolf scented
2) o k
and?
A lot of my posts you quoted were the early RvS ones. Most of it was just to progress the conversation in one way or another and I’m kinda satisfied with how it turned out. Like, I don't really know what you're SRing here, but you're prob not gonna get anything better from me
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Post Post #347 (isolation #69) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:04 am

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UNVOTE:
Meh, Duck’s posts got so much better. I don’t think I agree with them, but I really like their enthusiasm while talking about their TRs
Not overly townie, but I'm ok with it rn

And I’m not a fan of volxen’s read on me.
The arguments he uses feel underwhelming compared to how much time was he willing to waste writing it
read prob coming soon
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Post Post #353 (isolation #70) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:54 am

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In post 307, volxen wrote: Out of [TW, Rat], Rat definitely has far more scum equity in my opinion. TW's casing of Rat felt genuine, whereas Rat's interactions with others came off as scummy to me. For example:
[quote="In post 307, volxen]
In post 16, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 15, Carmen wrote:
In post 12, LabRat01 wrote:wanna check it for me?
Nah, it's not there.

VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmen
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?
In post 17, LabRat01 wrote:ugh, I was talking about the town RC if it wasn't obvious

I was re-reading the thread and noticed that my post could be understood as a disgusting joke
that vote was half-serious, it was not pure RvS, so read it as so

and c'mon, someone write sth
it's boring being here alone
I don't think Rat really had a good reason for "seriously" voting Carmen here, and she did say that the vote was "half-serious".

First off, volx seems to have read the thread till duck’s posts, so he should have also been aware of the whole conversation between me and korina. I don’t feel like going all over it again and this argument is
exactly
the same one I’ve been arguing with Korina about.

If he does fully understand why I pushed Carmen, I find it off that he’d find it important enough to mention here.
and if he disagreed to my answers to Korina’s pushes, he should have quoted those posts, not this one.

Him not doing that and including the exact same reasoning kinda feels like he made the argument just “to make the read look more townie/impressive” and doesn’t actually care to think about it seriously
In post 307, volxen wrote:
In post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.

Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
Why did Rat make such a big deal about this? All TW did was ask Lefty what he thought of Keyser's entrance -- I don't see how that's really LAMIST, which is what Rat seems to be implying here.
Yes everyone should be sorting players and coming up with their own reads, but there is nothing wrong with asking player X what they think about player Y, as long as you are still sorting everyone else in addition to that.
Rat seems to be suggesting that TW wants other people to sort Keyser for him so he doesn't have to do the work of sorting Keyser himself, which I don't think is accurate at all.
She is also suggesting here that TW's motivation in asking the question was to appear LAMIST, as opposed to him actually wanting to know what Lefty thought of Keyser's entrance.
This one is actually fair, except the “why did rat make such a big deal of this?” part.
This is nearly the same thing as in the last part of the quote, but it’s more visible in the quote there, so just read it there, but it feels kinda fake to me that a player who’s capable of writing an elaborate analysis like this one would base his reads on reasons that are just so obviously wrong.

And the way he defended TW was funny imo. Prob too daring to be SvS, but I don’t think I can say anything more about that
In post 307, volxen wrote:
LabRat01 wrote:
In post 55, Lefty wrote:What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?
You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.
Possibly younger

It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to write
anything
that might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.

Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here
Again, here Rat is criticizing someone for asking a question regarding Keyser. I don't think her criticism of Lefty was really warranted here -- he asks a question about Keyser, and she insinuates that his reason for asking the question was to appear like he was doing something, as opposed to it being a question he genuinely wanted answered. In other words, she is again suggesting that the motivation behind the question was to purposefully appear LAMIST, as opposed to it just being a question that Lefty wanted answered.
It's just odd that on two different occasions, two different people ask a question about Keyser, and Rat attacks (unreasonably IMO) both TW and Lefty for asking their respective questions about Keyser.
Yes, I think Lefty’s post was lamist. I don’t think it’s necessarily scum indicative though, because awkwardness and not knowing what to write early in the game is not really scummy. Both town and scum can feel that way and even though his question/post wasn’t sincere imo, both alignments could have had their reasons for doing it.
The read was kind of a push, but it was also a suggestion to do sth else, because even if they’re town, their motivation isn’t difficult to notice and it’s gonna get them lynched if they keep doing that for a long time.
In post 307, volxen wrote:I would think town!Rat would understand that this game isn't just about everyone forming their own reads in isolation and then presenting their readslist to the rest of the group, but it's largely a game that involves interacting with everyone else to understand their motivations, which includes asking players questions such as, "what did you think about X from player Y?" The fact that Rat's initial reaction to both questions about Keyser was to immediately label them as attempts to be LAMIST rather than as genuine questions that were asked to gather information to help gamesolve, seems much more likely to come from scum than town.

VOTE: LabRat01

Here he pushes me for pushing others instead of asking for their motivations, which I find funny coming from someone with such a high game-count.
Even regardless of how many games he played, I find it hard to believe that a player who’s capable of writing such an elaborate analysis of my posts would be unaware that “pushing people” “allows you to read them better” and progresses the game, which is necessary at any point of the game.
Like, c’mon, he did play a lot of games on the site so he should have realized that if people ask questions, they’re most likely gonna get calm, composed answers, which aren’t really gonna help you do anything. Of course some people might just not like pushing others without a reason, but it doesn’t mean others can’t do that and everyone who pushes people early is scum.

Like, I really don’t want to believe that he’s being serious here. Him pushing me for that feels like he was just forcing himself to find a looong, non-sheepy reason for me being scum, without actually caring if it actually makes sense or not.
This post is long and I’ll give him credit for saying that the reasons behind my pushes were bad (even though they weren't), but the main part of it is just terribly empty.

And I don’t like how he disappeared right after writing that. Except the short VCA reasoning and TR on duck, he hasn’t done anything to progress the game, not even asking questions which he was pushing me for.
That’s just incredibly lazy

P.Edit…
Which just changed, so ignore that part.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #71) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:58 am

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In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
In post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
In post 313, the worst wrote: this is too much :( :( :( goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCK
In post 315, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 313, the worst wrote:
In post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
this is too much :( :( :( goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCK
Again, why can’t I be town who isn’t scum-reading Labrat?

This overdramatic foreplay still doesn’t answer my question.

Why am I scum forcefully ‘steering’ off players from my ‘scumpartner’?

This new narrative about me and labrat being scum partners is very concerning.
Btw, Keyser’s baffled reactions to TW SRing him so hard feel really natural. That’s not anything I’d feel safe basing my read on him, but I think I can rather fairly say that they’re not SvS
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Post Post #355 (isolation #72) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:03 am

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In post 349, volxen wrote: But in any case, do you really think TW would gambit as scum and try to get his one of his scumbuddies sent to hell on day one?
Wait, lol, you're really confident that I'm scum
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Post Post #357 (isolation #73) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:10 am

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In post 349, volxen wrote:@Keyser, I am starting to get concerned that if Rat is scum, you could be one of her partners. As I pointed out earlier, it was just odd how quick she was to attack two different people for asking, in my opinion, completely legitimate questions about your slot. If she is scum it's possible that she is simply buddying/defending town!Keyser, but the way she wanted to shut down both questions about Keyser's slot could be indicative of SvS interactions. Keyser, if Rat is scum, why is TW more likely to be one of her partners than you?

But in any case, do you really think TW would gambit as scum and try to get his one of his scumbuddies sent to hell on day one? I would consider that quite a risky gambit because if he does that, then the only way he could win as scum is if both he and his remaining scumbuddy get sent to Heaven. So unless he's convinced that both he and his other scumbuddy could get a lot of towncredit for busing Rat, it seems like quite a risky play to open on day one by busing one of his partners in a game mode that, in my opinion, heavily discourages busing.
that's actually good analysis
like, it's way better than the previous post

can you answer my SR on you?
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Post Post #358 (isolation #74) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:18 am

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In post 356, Keyser Söze wrote:If LabRat flips scum - we never send me to heaven. Deal?
I didn't read anything past the last post I quoted, so sorry if I missed anything, but that post is worthless

If you think that I'm town, then defend me and talk about it so that even IF you're wrong, the other people might prove you wrong
telling people to punish you IF I flip scum feels like you're acting all high and mighty to gain the towncreed when I flip town

I've seen people do it as town and tbf I also did it once near the end of the game when I was really confident in my reads, but just don't because it's making me feel weird
you're not even townreading me
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Post Post #359 (isolation #75) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:25 am

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In post 351, volxen wrote: And both posts were written within seven minutes of each other, which makes it even more odd.
I usually write my posts on the computer in WORD, so that I get it to check if the spelling is right
Then I post one post after another while checking the grammar

I mean, usually.
You can also see me posting while reading like I'm doing rn (since after the post about TW and keyser not being SvS), but if I have a lot of posts/pages to read, I usually just do a catchup

besides, no one ever reads walls and it's super annoying to deal with players who don't, so that's even better
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Post Post #360 (isolation #76) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:26 am

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In post 359, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 351, volxen wrote: And both posts were written within seven minutes of each other, which makes it even more odd.
I usually write my posts on the computer in WORD, so that I get it to check if the spelling is right
Then I post one post after another while checking the grammar

I mean, usually.
You can also see me posting while reading like I'm doing rn (since after the post about TW and keyser not being SvS), but if I have a lot of posts/pages to read, I usually just
do a catchup


besides, no one ever reads walls and it's super annoying to deal with players who don't, so that's even better
*
uh,
WRITE
a catchup
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Post Post #362 (isolation #77) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:34 am

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In post 361, Keyser Söze wrote:LabRat I’m fed up of the linking. At least by this promise, if you flip red, a supposed scum WINCON can’t be achieved (as mafia need two in heaven). WIN for me, WIN for town. Then I can get on with scum hunting, because defending myself has really swayed my read of TW and Volxen and I can’t think straight. I think I’m the only one against your lynch right now so be more nice to me :giggle:

(I either need a time out or a total reset of reads)
that's invalid, the mafia also wins if the martyrs choose the wrong person to lynch during the judgment day

If you haven't read the rules, or are pretending to be unaware of it, look at it rn


@everyone should look at it so that bullshit like this doesn't happen again

also please be aware that scum may post on the maf-chat even after they get lynched, so if we ever lynch a high-leveled scum, they might still influence the game

thank you
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Post Post #366 (isolation #78) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:17 am

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Hey, @Keyser who would you lynch rn?
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Post Post #367 (isolation #79) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:23 am

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lol, actually, no that I think of it, that username sounds kinda funny in my native language

you could read "key" as a key and "ser" means cheese
Söze doesn't have a meaning, but it's already fun enough
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Post Post #369 (isolation #80) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:28 am

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ugh, I'm getting moody, I should prob go to sleep
still kind of too early though
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Post Post #370 (isolation #81) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:37 am

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In post 368, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 366, LabRat01 wrote:Hey, @Keyser who would you lynch rn?
If you’d asked me 24 hours ago... TW, but I wouldn’t kill anyone right now.


I’m currently re-reading the game... currently on page 9...

I still like you versus DrJ as TvT.. (did you say my early analysis could have been replicated by a 5 year old?! I didn’t fully grasp that the first time round :giggle: )

Don’t like Creature’s entrance. So many posts, but they’re hitting no targets. Is he performing an act to think we’ll t/read him? It’s not working.

I’ll continue.
oh, sorry

but a lot has happened, so I didn't really think it would remain unchanged
what do you think of TW's reads on the hydra slot? Like, I could omit the reads on me cuz I'm not actually sure if he couldn't be bullshitting that, but I think his TR on LCpl looked honest.

and no, the 5-year old wasn't about you, but it was about left asking about sth really goofy that even a newb would be able to fake. And I thought it was weird because it's kinda clear that you're not a newb

and idak what to think about creat... I mean, I've played with him once and I remembered him being as shitty as he's in here. Everyone was TRing him for some reason, which I absolutely couldn't understand and he was town after all, but I was heavily SRing him in there and I'm kiiiind of tempted to do it in here?
kiiiind of but not really?
idk, my reads often just suck
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Post Post #372 (isolation #82) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:39 am

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or it's just his playstyle to which I just have to get used
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Post Post #373 (isolation #83) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:39 am

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or he's scum and I'm a freaking idiot

/shrug
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Post Post #380 (isolation #84) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:08 am

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In post 371, volxen wrote: No, my problem is that you tried to
shut down/discourage
legitimate questions from both TW and Lefty, both of which were questions about Keyser's slot. In your post you seem to be setting up this false dichotomy where a choice has to be made between questioning someone vs pressuring someone. Why does it have to be either or? You can certainly ask people legitimate questions while simultaneously pressuring them. You want to push TW and Lefty to see how they react? Fine, but you shouldn't be trying to shut down and discourage the legitimate questions they asked about Keyser's slot.
THAT
is what I have a problem with -- you could have pressured Lefty and TW without trying to shutdown their questions about Keyser.
You know, I’d have to be completely paranoid to defend anyone as scum from RvS questions with evil motivations
Believe me or not, but I don’t even see questions like those as legitimate interactions, so nearly every time you write sth about it or I see someone commenting on it with your quote above, it takes me a few seconds to realize what they're talking about

And it’s prob not the right way to go about things but I see my reads as more important than the other players’ actions. I won’t stop someone if they have a legit, strong push on someone (unless it’s like my TR or sth like that), but I don’t really feel bad for interrupting someone’s question if I don’t even think it’s that important

Like, c’mon, was I supposed to wait a whole day for them to answer the question and only then make my push? Seriously?
I’m obviously not gonna do that, so just no. it’s stupid

And yeah, I get that a lot of players might not like the way I made my push on TW. It was supposed to feel individual and actually create some pressure, but I might have failed at that
I’m still trying to learn how not to an absolute fluff-bun early on, so from my pov it’s still an improvement. Lol, I was actually so proud of that read when I first posted it… Not that you can tell though
Anyways, my goal was to pressure TW. My pressure shouldn’t have stopped Lefty from answering TW’s question so even if you think it was important, it shouldn’t have influenced him in any way (I think).

You’re kinda right that I might have stopped anyone from answering Lefty’s question though (the goofy one), but honestly, I don’t really care about that.
In post 371, volxen wrote: I'm struggling to see the town motivation in trying to shutdown both of their respective questions about Keyser. I mean, if TW and Lefty are both town, think about it from their perspective. If they are both town, and they find one another to be townie, doesn't it make sense for them to talk to one another about Keyser, especially if they are both trying to get an accurate read on Keyser? I mean this is a team game after all, so it makes sense to discuss your reads and other slots with people you find to be towny. So they ask legitimate questions of each other about Keyser's slot, and then you come along and within seven minutes, write two back-to-back posts where you basically call both of them LAMIST, and tell both of them that they are wasting time by asking each other questions about Keyser's slot. But why call it a waste of time -- why assume the questions they were asking each other wouldn't help both of them get a better read on Keyser? Because if getting answers to their questions would help them to better sort Keyser, then it would be a pretty good usage of time, no?
You’re making this sound more important than it actually was
It was not important
And my read was better
/shrug
In post 371, volxen wrote: Again the problem isn't that you were aggressive towards TW and Lefty, it's that you tried to "redirect" them away from talking about Keyser and questioning each other about Keyser, when I don't believe you had a legitimate reason for doing so. So yes, for now I am quite skeptical of your motivations.
You’re wrong.
Again, I think my actions had a higher chance of doing anything good than theirs
I didn’t actually think of how would my actions influence their reads at the time I was posting it, but even if I did, I most likely wouldn’t have given a shit

Like, c’mon, if you’re aware how pushes make the game better and more dynamic, you should realize that what I did was better than if I just waited with it
There’s literally no reason to go all crazy about it imo
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Post Post #389 (isolation #85) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:43 am

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In post 374, Keyser Söze wrote:RE: Creature
Yeah, I’d be hesitant to lynch Creature D1, as someone said town-Creature clears himself later on..? Plus, I’m sure I’ve played with him before and inccorectly read him... may dig that game out, feels years old though. He is in no way near my ‘destined for heaven’ pile though right now.


Re: TW, yesterday and this morning I really didn’t like how TW went so intense with that t/read on DrJ. In a kind of ‘he already knows he’s town so he’s gonna t/read hard every single post of his even though the post was hardly AI’.

I had a great problem coming to my eventual town lean on Dr J, so maybe I’m projecting my bias here. Maybe.

Tonight, I’m trying to relax and see if I overreacted.
if you compare this game to LCpl's last scum one, he's clearly better and less LAMIST here than there
This game was LCpl's first game in here and besides that and the purgatory game rn, I think he only joined 1 game till now (which is still on-going)
anyways, he wouldn't have had a lot of time to change his scum meta so I think the clear change a fairly good town indicator
TW seemed to have noticed that cuz he did mention stuff about their meta before

Korina is bad, but he's always bad... besides this one game I've read, I've also half-read another game in which he was town and he was just as misguided and weird as he is in here
I would have been SRing him in both btw...
He also wrote some stuff about how he hates players meta-reading him
and in the latest game he wrote sth about "trying to be active and act active and "obv-town" in their last scum game on discord", so if anything, I find it weird how happy he was to provide me with examples of him describing his scum meta instead of actual games
It felt as if he suddenly changed his opinion about meta-reads and wanted me to read him based on it


but still, that's not a strong read and it's not actually that much more likely for scum him to say that rather than town him
If he's really forcing himself to act "obv-town", just don't send him to heaven so that he has to fake it through the whole game. If he's scum, he'll fail at some point
and I still think that LCpl is fairly townie. Just look at his previous game and you'll see the difference, it's rather obvious

uhh... I started ranting again and I forgot what point I was trying to make

idk, TW's posts about DrJ's meta-bias pinged townie and I really liked the enthusiasm in some of his posts
That's not the most brilliant read ever, but it's still not sth I'd want to lynch rn
(I don't actually know how TW plays though, sooo I guess he could still be faking it?
or he could not be faking it and just simply, strongly TRing town for no reason as scum.
Like, still, it's ok for now imo
idk)
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Post Post #390 (isolation #86) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:45 am

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In post 377, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Mod I’m always v/la saturday & sunday


My one thought without fully catching up is this seems like a towny volxen, unless he’s trying very very hard to improve his scumgame (no nuance there)
how does volx play as scum?
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Post Post #392 (isolation #87) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:50 am

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In post 386, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 375, ManateeDude wrote:
Votecount 1.05

the worst (3) - LabRat01, Keyser Soze, Irrelephant
Keyser Söze (1) - Lefty
Carmen (1) - LabRat01,
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Carmen
Creature (1) - the worst
Not Voting - Creature, volxen, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde


Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)
The fact no counterwagon has developed over subsequent vote counts makes me think this is a wagon on town. I'll post more on TW in a minute.

I think labrat is the scummiest on that wagon followed by possibly keyser - I'm not sure tbh what to think of him, what I've seen as scummy he has dismissed easily, but on the other hand that could be the sign of skillful scum? Irrel imo is just sheeping it.

N.b. this is the last vc I saw.
:eye_roll:
if you say that I dismissed all of your suspicions, why do you think I'm scummy
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Post Post #393 (isolation #88) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:52 am

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In post 388, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon - while I don't doubt scum could be WIFOMING there, I think thats much less unlikely than them leaving a wagon sit there.

Also, post 297 - it looks very town. I see plenty of town motivation there, it shows plenty of effort which I don't think scum is going to do if they can get by without it. Sort of similar to how someone in another game (town) literally made a chart with colour showing every vote :lol:

Furthermore, he kind of feels like he is enthusiastic. Maybe that sounds stupid and probably is, but just based on tone, I think he looks a lot more like town than scum.

I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me, but hmph, I'm probably reading too much into it
wait, you're LCpl, right?
and yeah, that's sort of my read on TW
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Post Post #395 (isolation #89) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:53 am

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already said it before though
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Post Post #400 (isolation #90) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:59 am

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In post 394, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 389, LabRat01 wrote:Korina is bad, but he's always bad... besides this one game I've read, I've also half-read another game in which he was town and he was just as misguided and weird as he is in here
I would have been SRing him in both btw...
He also wrote some stuff about how he hates players meta-reading him
and in the latest game he wrote sth about "trying to be active and act active and "obv-town" in their last scum game on discord",
so if anything, I find it weird how happy he was to provide me with examples of him describing his scum meta instead of actual games

It felt as if he suddenly changed his opinion about meta-reads and wanted me to read him based on it
I'm here for a moment, however, re:bolded:
Nice misrep. Literally I've played a total of three scum games, the first one, I actually linked, (firefighter blitz). The second one, I replaced out of, so you really can't get a meta-read on, (noir). The third one hardly classifies as a game in the first place because it was so short, (vengeful).

If you actually looked at the links, you'd have seen that the first one was me linking to a scum game, the rest were times I described my scum meta.

Also, re:Soze
I'm currently still trying to read back and form reads apart from initial reactions.
I think we both currently agree that Lab is scum though.

-Kor
I haven't looked at the links yet. I'm planning to, but just didn't feel like doing it today
In post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Literally go look at my wiki page, and you can find one, like this one. You can also see me describe my own meta, here, here and here. Read these please, they'll help you sort me better.
this is the post where you linked your scum games. While you did say about your wiki and linked me to one game, you must have taken more time to look up the quotes where you describe your meta. (didn't look at it either and tbh I'm not planning to, because it's kind of worthless if you're actively trying to change it)
I do think that you doing that is a bit off compared to what I've seen you do in the previous games, but I don't find it very important.
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Post Post #402 (isolation #91) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:03 pm

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In post 398, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Labrat, well, I'm getting plenty of scum pings there.

I didn't really read so much into his role pm thing, but this posts tone strikes me as odd
In post 17, LabRat01 wrote:ugh, I was talking about the town RC if it wasn't obvious

I was re-reading the thread and noticed that my post could be understood as a disgusting joke
that vote was half-serious, it was not pure RvS, so read it as so

and c'mon, someone write sth
it's boring being here alone
Its the sort of thing scum posts after they realize they hit submit instead of preview :lol:
Furthermore It sounds an awful lot like scum trying to push a vote as being nai
In post 24, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 20, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard :lol:
Lcp aka mr hyde
hi btw, I've read the first 10-ish pages of your first newb game on MS. You played well, I prob wouldn't have been able to catch you
That's what I meant by pocketing.
Then,
This:
In post 31, LabRat01 wrote: yep

do you think you'll be able to read him?
Doesn't really advamce us anywhere and is basically just fluff. Maybe NAI, but I find scum often get by by posting stuff like this. To be fair only post 31.
In post 127, LabRat01 wrote:friendly reminder that Majority is 5 and duck has 3 votes on him rn

just don't hammer when not even a day has passed since SoD
This is LAMIST as h and a not so subtle reminder than tw has a wagon on him, indirectly encouraging votes.




Overall I think Labrat is scum and led a wagon on TW
And when he saw it wasn't going anywhere unvoted
In post 347, LabRat01 wrote:UNVOTE:
Meh, Duck’s posts got so much better. I don’t think I agree with them, but I really like their enthusiasm while talking about their TRs
Not overly townie, but I'm ok with it rn
This just feels to me like scum dropping a case not going anywhere
VOTE: labrat
sigh, if you're going to push me for stuff other people already pushed me for before, can you comment on what you think of my answers to their puhes?
I don't really feel like going all over it again and I feel like I've answered nearly every argument you made rn somewhere before

do you want me to look for it or can you do it yourself?
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Post Post #405 (isolation #92) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:05 pm

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In post 401, the worst wrote:
In post 343, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 247, the worst wrote:
In post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
can you rephrase this post because it sounds like you're trying to allocate motive to my posting without wanting to appear too forceful which is filthyyyy

if you're asking a question please rephrase it as an open question i can actually give a qualitative answer to :) if you're town FYI, I don't take well to leading questions because they're manipulative and kill conversation in favour of agenda-forcing.
Underhanded, yeeeah
But effective

That was not exactly a question. The way you combined the request for reads with the explanation of why you’re doing it felt off and lamist.
And kinda buddyish/pocketish now that I look at it
Can you comment on that?
I literally have no idea what you're asking me for here LOL
if it's in relation to a specific post can you quote that post?

sorry to be difficult but your line of questioning is really jarring with the way I think for some reason
ugh, nvm
it was the first quote in the post btw
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Post Post #412 (isolation #93) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:10 pm

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In post 408, the worst wrote: which brings me to remembering I couldn't parse any actual explanation on the read from you
I didn't agree with the read, and in a vacuum couldn't think of a way to side with it
that's not expressly wolf indicative obviously but also you didn't explain your thought process so :?

what's your read on keyser, labby?
I did though
In post 99, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 92, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 16, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 15, Carmen wrote:
In post 12, LabRat01 wrote:wanna check it for me?
Nah, it's not there.

VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmen
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?
I'm personally not really sure what to make of this post. I get it if its a joke, however, it feels awkward. It feels like the joke fell flat after he continued it on, and said that his vote was semi-serious, (which, why was it semi-serious?). That doesn't really sit well with me atm. Its reading to me like he's certain that Carmen is actually scum and trying to do that to get cleared as town, which, would imply that Carmen is scum as well.

I read Carmen's post as a joke, (which, admittedly, I'd have done too), and their post is fine. It's actually alright. It doesn't bother me. Lab's post does actually bother me however. I can see him thinking Carmen's post isn't a joke, (when I'm pretty sure it is one—unless Carmen is a god-tier scum-player and can get away with that), however, his reaction to the joke feels wrong.
That was a bullshit read based on my imagination of how a mafia’s reaction to getting a town alignment would look like. Carmen’s post was a joke, but it was written in a safe way, that could come from mafia who wanted to joke about it, but was too stressed to open-wolf right at the beginning of the game.
(by lying and saying that “there was nothing in their RC”, they could give themselves a bit more leeway than if they wrote “lol, it’s really there”)
I could explain it better, but I think manatee wouldn’t really like it
But yes, it is connected to how I see my role card and what I know about the host
This was never meant to be a joke, but after writing the post I realized that it could be misunderstood in a really wrong way. There isn’t anything more to it
or at least kind of
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Post Post #423 (isolation #94) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:24 pm

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In post 408, the worst wrote: what's your read on keyser, labby?
I don't really have a read on him rn, most of his posts are tonally composed and he doesn't show many emotions besides those few posts where he seemed surprised for you SRing him and the happiness/jokiness from time to time. Like, I don't think I can read that. I'd probably need to read some of his games (or at least the ISOs) to check if he's normally that reactionless as now, but for now meh.

If there's anything I could said to have pinged me, it would be his suggestion to "never lynch him to heaven if I flip scum". Like, that was just bad and I don't get his reasoning for thinking that "the martyrs would have obviously lynched him",
Kind of seemed like a cheap excuse, but again, I don't think I'm able to tell if he really forgot about the judgment day mechanics or not so it's not a read I value strongly

idk, honestly, I've been kind of flaking with reading him, but I'll prob have to change that when I can along with my other bad reads on the nuller half of the playerlist
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Post Post #431 (isolation #95) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:37 pm

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In post 409, the worst wrote:
In post 347, LabRat01 wrote:UNVOTE:
Meh, Duck’s posts got so much better. I don’t think I agree with them, but I really like their enthusiasm while talking about their TRs
Not overly townie, but I'm ok with it rn

And I’m not a fan of volxen’s read on me.
The arguments he uses feel underwhelming compared to how much time was he willing to waste writing it
read prob coming soon
why did you unvote me here if you don't think I'm town but are blindly sheeping others?

I'm clearly wagonable in this gamestate. Look at the VCs for D1.
Why didn't you vote volxen here? Can you show me which parts of it felt underwhelming, and why you think that's scum indicative?
lmao, you're doing the same thing here you accused me of.
if you said the answer to your question inside the question, it's making it difficult for me to answer differently.

I unvoted you because I don't think you're the optimal lynch anymore. My previous read on you was rather flimsy and the new one is flimsy as well, but goes in the other direction
Besides, I think there are better people to push rn that I don't even have a flimsy read on


ugh, I was going to, then got freaked out that sth is wrong because of his other post and forgot
the freakout was dumb and my reactions to it were dumb, but I won't really do anything about it now
now I'm kind of waiting for irre's answer to the stuff about their meta, cuz he seemed confident so I want to check it out before I do anything else :/
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Post Post #432 (isolation #96) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:39 pm

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In post 414, the worst wrote:yeah post 99 was.. a post
did you have any other reasons or?

also, read on Keyser?
besides the stuff I know about the mod, not really?
but I didn't really care about that tbh
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Post Post #438 (isolation #97) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:04 pm

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In post 415, the worst wrote:
In post 353, LabRat01 wrote:That’s just incredibly lazy
Labby what parts of this post do you think actually indicate that volxen is not aligned with the town?
I think you're just tunnelling his playstyle and think he should die for it. if you're town I need you to reassess this asap because you're aggressively driving us off a cliff by clogging the thread up with posts which don't actually advance any gamesolving :(
yeah, I'm waiting for that rn... I should prob do some research before pushing people I don't know, but on the other hand it's so time-consuming... xd

If you're talking about the stuff I said about volx being lazy, I think kaiser explained it somewhere rather well
I just find it odd that he'd just go in the thread, post a read on me, which was partially based on me hindering the process of "town forming their reads"
while he did close to nothing to progress that himself and he disappeared as soon as he posted the read on me. If he cared about town getting their reads, I'd assume that he should have idk... at least asked some questions or interacted with the other players a bit instead of just (mostly) tunneling one? The VCA reads don't count as interacting with the other players imo. Like, they were good, but also rather safe and I didn't get the feeling that they changed the game in any way

Their response to my response was a bit better though. Like, idk, I still think my thought process on this was rather correct (not necessarily that he's scum, but more that it should be SR, because it's weird), but I'll just wait with saying anything more till I read some of their games
preferably tomorrow, cuz I'm going to sleep soon

btw, is your TR on him also based on meta or just the content of the post?
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Post Post #441 (isolation #98) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:14 pm

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In post 416, the worst wrote:
In post 354, LabRat01 wrote:Btw, Keyser’s baffled reactions to TW SRing him so hard feel really natural. That’s not anything I’d feel safe basing my read on him, but I think I can rather fairly say that they’re not SvS
you didn't find Keyser's tone shift and reaction to be too much?
I actually felt it was unnaturally dramatic. I'm pretty sure the town!Keyser I know and love would have given me an equally shitposty response to my question about you and him being scumbuddies. But instead he flipped his lid. :(
-_-
no, considering how dramatic your actions were, I definitely don't see him being overly dramatic there
I don't know him nor you, but both of your posts were giving me a freaking migraine, which I still don't think I can read in any other way than I did
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Post Post #442 (isolation #99) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:15 pm

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In post 419, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Yes, if you could, I'm off to bed now, its fairly ate. If not I can do it tomorrow afternoon...?
seems we're in a fairly similar time-zone
just in a sec
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Post Post #443 (isolation #100) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:19 pm

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wait, wtf is going on
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Post Post #445 (isolation #101) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:33 pm

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In post 436, volxen wrote: @TW,

Why would town!Rat chainsaw defend scum!Keyser in these two posts thugh?

[...]

I agree they could simply be scum together. But if one of them is scum and one of them is town, scum!Rat and town!Keyser seems far more likely to me than scum!Keyser and and town!Rat.
I'm not gonna comment on the interaction reads, because it's already giving me a headache

can you elaborate on your read on keyser?
and you didn't respond to my last response to your read, so can you elaborate on the read again?
(if it's still the same thing, can you comment on my responses in )
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Post Post #454 (isolation #102) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:20 pm

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Post Post #598 (isolation #103) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:48 am

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I had an exam today and will have an easier one tomorrow, so I don’t have much time to write stuff. I’ll try to catch up and work on my reads in my free time now, but if I don’t manage to do all of it (I'll try, but honestly, I really doubt I will), it’ll have to wait till tomorrow

I’ll also have 2 fairly difficult tests and one less difficult one in the next 2 weeks, but I’ll most likely go on V/La then.
Sorry for the inconvenience
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Post Post #600 (isolation #104) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:11 am

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In post 462, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I'm not done with labrat, and I want to look at his answers that he's meant to be posting
Yeah, I totally forgot about that
And actually, sorry, I was wrong there. I assumed I answered all of your arguments before, because they seemed really similar to what korina asked me about, but it’s a completely different thing :/ I’ve read it in a weird way
sorry about that
In post 398, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Labrat, well, I'm getting plenty of scum pings there.

I didn't really read so much into his role pm thing, but this posts tone strikes me as odd
In post 17, LabRat01 wrote:ugh, I was talking about the town RC if it wasn't obvious

I was re-reading the thread and noticed that my post could be understood as a disgusting joke
that vote was half-serious, it was not pure RvS, so read it as so

and c'mon, someone write sth
it's boring being here alone
Its the sort of thing scum posts after they realize they hit submit instead of preview :lol:
Furthermore It sounds an awful lot like scum trying to push a vote as being nai
In post 24, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 20, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard :lol:
Lcp aka mr hyde
hi btw, I've read the first 10-ish pages of your first newb game on MS. You played well, I prob wouldn't have been able to catch you
That's what I meant by pocketing.
Then,
This:
In post 31, LabRat01 wrote: yep

do you think you'll be able to read him?
Doesn't really advamce us anywhere and is basically just fluff. Maybe NAI, but I find scum often get by by posting stuff like this. To be fair only post 31.
Those are actually kind of fair. I don’t really see stuff that way, but I get why would it be scum-read
In post 398, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Labrat, well, I'm getting plenty of scum pings there.
In post 127, LabRat01 wrote:friendly reminder that Majority is 5 and duck has 3 votes on him rn

just don't hammer when not even a day has passed since SoD
This is LAMIST as h and a not so subtle reminder than tw has a wagon on him, indirectly encouraging votes.
Actually, encouraging votes, prob yeah? I didn’t think of it that way, but I most prob wouldn’t have minded more people sharing their opinion on TW cuz nothing else was going on and he was my biggest SR back then
And I kinda got freaked out when the wagon on my SR progressed so quickly. My reasoning was rather solid (imo), but it wasn’t a very strong argument and it seemed that people (I don’t remember keyser’s reason for voting, but at least I remember Irrelephant doing that) treated it more strongly than it deserved, which kinda freaked me out
In post 398, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote: Overall I think Labrat is scum and led a wagon on TW
And when he saw it wasn't going anywhere unvoted
In post 347, LabRat01 wrote:UNVOTE:
Meh, Duck’s posts got so much better. I don’t think I agree with them, but I really like their enthusiasm while talking about their TRs
Not overly townie, but I'm ok with it rn
This just feels to me like scum dropping a case not going anywhere
VOTE: labrat
Can you comment on my reasons for voting duck?
I think I explained it rather well in here
In post 343, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 247, the worst wrote:
In post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
can you rephrase this post because it sounds like you're trying to allocate motive to my posting without wanting to appear too forceful which is filthyyyy

if you're asking a question please rephrase it as an open question i can actually give a qualitative answer to :) if you're town FYI, I don't take well to leading questions because they're manipulative and kill conversation in favour of agenda-forcing.
Underhanded, yeeeah
But effective

That was not exactly a question. The way you combined the request for reads with the explanation of why you’re doing it felt off and lamist.
And kinda buddyish/pocketish now that I look at it
Can you comment on that?
But my first SR is also quoted here, at the top, so you can look at it if you find it more explanatory
Basically, it was just sth that pinged me as weird at the beginning of the game, which could be linked to a scum motivation. Not sth very strong, but still a good read to go off imo.

And now that I think of it, I didn’t ever write a read on TW after that.
I did say that I liked his responses, but it’s not like I focused on making it into a read
In post 389, LabRat01 wrote: idk, TW's posts about DrJ's meta-bias pinged townie and I really liked the enthusiasm in some of his posts
That's not the most brilliant read ever, but it's still not sth I'd want to lynch rn
In post 431, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 409, the worst wrote:
In post 347, LabRat01 wrote:UNVOTE:
Meh, Duck’s posts got so much better. I don’t think I agree with them, but I really like their enthusiasm while talking about their TRs
Not overly townie, but I'm ok with it rn

And I’m not a fan of volxen’s read on me.
The arguments he uses feel underwhelming compared to how much time was he willing to waste writing it
read prob coming soon
why did you unvote me here if you don't think I'm town but are blindly sheeping others?

I'm clearly wagonable in this gamestate. Look at the VCs for D1.
Why didn't you vote volxen here? Can you show me which parts of it felt underwhelming, and why you think that's scum indicative?
lmao, you're doing the same thing here you accused me of.
if you said the answer to your question inside the question, it's making it difficult for me to answer differently.

I unvoted you because I don't think you're the optimal lynch anymore. My previous read on you was rather flimsy and the new one is flimsy as well, but goes in the other direction
Besides, I think there are better people to push rn that I don't even have a flimsy read on

[snipped]
This should prob be the closest to a read that I’ve posted about T till now? (after his comeback)
Can you comment on that?

And I agree with the read on creat. That’s not sth I’m confident in reading, but it’s also not a player I’d miss much if he was lynched
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Post Post #601 (isolation #105) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:17 am

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In post 483, volxen wrote:@Labrat, what are your thoughts on The Worst and Keyser at the moment?
In post 423, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 408, the worst wrote: what's your read on keyser, labby?
I don't really have a read on him rn, most of his posts are tonally composed and he doesn't show many emotions besides those few posts where he seemed surprised for you SRing him and the happiness/jokiness from time to time. Like, I don't think I can read that. I'd probably need to read some of his games (or at least the ISOs) to check if he's normally that reactionless as now, but for now meh.

If there's anything I could said to have pinged me, it would be his suggestion to "never lynch him to heaven if I flip scum". Like, that was just bad and I don't get his reasoning for thinking that "the martyrs would have obviously lynched him",
Kind of seemed like a cheap excuse, but again, I don't think I'm able to tell if he really forgot about the judgment day mechanics or not so it's not a read I value strongly

idk, honestly, I've been kind of flaking with reading him, but I'll prob have to change that when I can along with my other bad reads on the nuller half of the playerlist
You can see some short thoughts about TW in the post above
I’ll try to get better reads on both of them today, along with all of my other reads
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Post Post #602 (isolation #106) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:19 am

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In post 492, the worst wrote:if anyone wants to see why Creature is scum iso him in Heroes Wanted. he made f3 as scum by ridiculing people's meta reads on him and posting content of a slightly higher calibre than this.

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Post Post #604 (isolation #107) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:34 am

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In post 515, Creature wrote:
In post 513, the worst wrote:
In post 511, Creature wrote:I don't feel like calling someone town or scum when it's basically gun-to-my-head.
If you feel like you're too heavily under pressure here step back. Neither me nor DrJ are getting anything from talking in circles with you. Go back and solve this sucker and give us something wild.
Nah, I want to see who will hop into this thread.
In post 516, Creature wrote:I'm actually enjoying the spam.
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it just hurts
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Post Post #605 (isolation #108) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:36 am

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I haven’t read the next pages yet, but unless sth has really changed, this has to get lynched before judgment day

That’s like freaking gamethrowing
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Post Post #608 (isolation #109) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:55 am

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Ugh, ok., I don’t think I want to re-read TW anymore
If he’s really faking the posts against kaiser (, )and was all of that previous flip-flopping in between lynching me, kaiser and creature with those emotional/unsure posts, then just wow
:/
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Post Post #616 (isolation #110) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:21 am

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In post 550, Keyser Söze wrote:Ok, let’s stop talking about you (but Volxen and I are still waiting for the full case on me before D2).

Can you give me a summary case of Creature.

From my experience with town-Creature:
- his spam will always outweigh his content
- he’ll never LAMIST/try to convey super-Townie
- he’ll project that he’s not bothered about being s/read
- antagonise players s/reading him
- not explain every one of his votes in great detail
- his read trajectory won’t be explicit and supported

I would usually s/read other players for being guilty for some of these, but Creature does these as town.

You said my “meta on Creature is a joke”. If so, you think Creature is obv-scumming right now?

Please present why Creature is scum (via meta) in a summary paragraph so that we can send him to hell.
You’re making it sound like you’re sure that creat is unreadable. Have you ever played scum with him? if not, why even resort to meta arguments if so many people said that he does play differently as scum?
and I think it should be rather clear that it’s highly unlikely for TW to be scum with any of [me, you, creat], so does that mean you think TW will flip scum sooner than creat?
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Post Post #617 (isolation #111) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:30 am

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In post 568, Creature wrote:It's not Labrat nor Keyser obviously
is this a read?
if so, elaborate on keyser please
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Post Post #619 (isolation #112) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:34 am

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In post 577, the worst wrote:while i'm on a roll someone talk to me about something with keyser

i'm used to seeing a dude with a badass attitude who doesn't give a fuck how he's perceived. he delivers reads whimsically and wonderfully and rarely looks to be townread by it.
this is what causes people to reactively think he's a wolf, there's like a lack of the logical, blood sweat & tears type of reads you expect to see
this game his reads have been markedly less interesting and nuanced than usual and carry the feel that he's delivering them to get townread rather than advance the game

someone who isn't keyser please engage with me on this (lookin @ u rel)
i've already kinda said more than i wanted to say but it's nibbling on my brain
noted, gonna look for that later
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Post Post #624 (isolation #113) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:54 am

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In post 607, Keyser Söze wrote:@LabRat- I had no reasons to vote you (anti town of me, sorry). I wanted to bait a reaction out of TW and you. But not the reaction I was hoping for... the opposite happened... you stopped posting, and TW has grown colder with your lynch.
I stopped posting because I was outdoors most of the day yesterday and then got brutally reminded that the exams start this week, not next one
it was not even related to the game

and why are you apologizing for voting me? all the players are here to reach some sort of goal, so in most cases, I don't really care about that. I mean, it's nice and all, so thank you, but if there's ever a situation like that in the future, you don't really need to do that.
And if you think TW is scum, why do you think it's important that he thinks I'm scummy?
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Post Post #625 (isolation #114) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:55 am

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In post 609, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 603, Irrelephant11 wrote:wow there's some long posts here
Anyone want to feed me a short version of what they're thinking rn?
no one ever takes me up on this
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Post Post #626 (isolation #115) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:59 am

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In post 609, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 306, the worst wrote:and sorry relly :c i love catching teh scumz as much as the next adorbs animal but sadly you're on the wrong track this time
I mean rn you're super reminding me of your play in Presidents
Have I ever read you correctly though? I think only the once, when I repped into the game you were caught!SK, so your odds I'm reading you wrong are good :lol:
Still though you're super reminding me of American Presidents rn and super not reminding me of the amazingly solve-y tw I've seen before
Wait, was he scum there? Can you elaborate?
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Post Post #627 (isolation #116) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:11 am

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In post 623, Irrelephant11 wrote:Interesting that you said "him"... My alt guess is also male even though this alt says "pronoun: she"
I'm female
You can ask manatee post game, cuz he's most prob 99% aware of who my main is
(just about the gender, I'd like my main to remain hidden as it is rn, at least for the time being)


and I'm not any sort of amazing player
I mean, I'm most prob a bit above average on the site I come from, but I really doubt I'd be anywhere even close to that in here.
Seeing people theorizing of how I'm some sort of god is honestly kinda funny
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Post Post #630 (isolation #117) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:36 am

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Ugh, gotta go learn
I’ll prob take a break in 1-2 hours, so if I’m still in a good shape, I’ll try working on my reads

I think I’ll trust TG with volx for now. Like, I still wanna read him, but I’ll have to wait with it till I have a bit more time
I’d like to try reading Kaiser and irre first, then maybe try to look at creature’s games with volx being last.

I don’t think I can seriously read Carmen or Lefty rn, cuz they didn’t make it past RvS and I think I’m fine rn without reading DrJ in this phase.
I still stand by the read that I don’t want them in heaven H1. A lot of their posts pinged me as town, but there were also some I really didn’t like. Just let them take the endurance test and it’ll be ok
I don’t think it’s that hard to do either

Gonna be back in a few hours

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P.Edit.:
In post 629, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 616, LabRat01 wrote:You’re making it sound like you’re sure that creat is unreadable. Have you ever played scum with him? if not, why even resort to meta arguments if so many people said that he does play differently as scum?
Did you miss the part where I threw my meta defence of Creature into the bin? :oops:
(unless it was the one directly after this post) uh, yes, sorry
I'll try to look for it later
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Post Post #801 (isolation #118) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:01 pm

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First thoughts when catching up:

Irrelephant seems to be really happy to town-read Voxel, which is kind of weirding me out.
In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 384, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 377, Irrelephant11 wrote:My one thought without fully catching up is this seems like a towny volxen, unless he’s trying very very hard to improve his scumgame (no nuance there)
Improvement noticed too... would like to witness wider focus though.
is this you saying he's "improved scum" or that he's town?
It's theoretically possible this is his improved scumgame (and he's tryhard enough to get there) but it's a BIG jump from easy-to-lynch-d1 scum!volxen from WW
In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:without nuance
haha to explain further he seems to really struggle as scum to come up with thought-out reasoning for his reads. His reads aren't perfect but the amount of thought that goes into them shows a lot about his alignment (I think he's almost certainly town here)
He’d have to be bullshiting hard for it to be a lie.
In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 390, LabRat01 wrote:how does volx play as scum?
Still don't really understand volxen's scumread of labrat? Like it seemed like it came from "there has to be 1 scum in {tw, labrat}" and imo tw is scummier here
I find it off though that he’d use a non-personal way of talking to them here though.
I mean, if volx is really sooo townie to him, I think it would be more natural to treat him as town and just simply ask him about his reads instead of doing that from a distance. That’s used more often when you’re judging someone, which feels kinda weird here considering irre’s enthusiasm while TRing volx.

It doesn’t really give me a strong read on him, but it’s just sth I wanted to mention.
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Post Post #802 (isolation #119) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:01 pm

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In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 398, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Labrat, well, I'm getting plenty of scum pings there.

-snip-

Overall I think Labrat is scum and led a wagon on TW
And when he saw it wasn't going anywhere unvoted

-snip-
I led the wagon on tw. Does that change your read on labrat at all?
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Post Post #803 (isolation #120) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:02 pm

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In post 634, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: keyser
I don’t remember you saying much about keyser, can you link me to your read on him (if you wrote one)?
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Post Post #804 (isolation #121) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:03 pm

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In post 650, the worst wrote: (she did push some buuuullshit with aggression which I think she would agree with post-game (a la scum!me bahaha))
(´υ`)
In post 650, the worst wrote:I'm sorry :( labrat is either town or scum with keyser and keyser's later against her makes him read unaligned with her so like 60% of the time she's town but it's not a great confidence read
Why can’t we be TvS?
In post 699, Creature wrote:
In post 677, volxen wrote:You don't seem to have a genuine interest in solving this game.
And you consider yourself to be solving the game just because you found the perfect person to focus on while doing nothing else?
What is your read on tw?
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Post Post #805 (isolation #122) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:04 pm

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In post 709, Eragon wrote:
In post 707, the worst wrote:sup

Eragonna kick some scum butt?
yes my bready friend.

I've played this set-up before , albeit from the opposite side, and it was extremely mind-game fun
Oof, that’s dumb, like, extremely dumb, but it’s giving me town vibes

I don’t think I’ve ever seen eragon meme so hard btw
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Post Post #806 (isolation #123) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:08 pm

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The read on creat is kind of easy, but not really weird considering that eragon hasn’t read anything from the thread yet
In post 724, Eragon wrote: I also want an explanation from lab
From how I understood it, people were SRing Creat here because he tends to freeze as scum (lurks while badly pretending to be doing anything?), also if I understood it right, he’s not good at interacting with the townies as scum and has way worse reads than when playing town.
I haven’t seen any game where he’d be scum yet, but that’s what I understood about his scum meta so far. From what I know, he isn’t anywhere close to helpful as town either, but most of the time is sort of readable? (or at least that’s what other people say)

In the early game I kind of refrained from reading him because of my bad experiences with his town meta, but I didn’t like his interactions with TW in the mid-game. ( and most of the interactions earlier (you can read the page and the previous one and it should be ok))
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In short, TW was SRing Creat since quite a while and started interacting with him to get sth out of him and Creat responded mostly by empty-posting and refusing to do stuff while explaining it as town motivated/normal for him.
It kind of felt like he was just getting salty that people were SRing him, when he’s been doing similar stuff in his bad town games and refused to contribute not because he wasn’t able to, but “just for the sake of proving his point“. (which comes more often form scum than town imo)

And 515 and 516 kind of did it for me. Like, I think it’s rather common knowledge that hard jesting for reaction tests is a really bad way to get reads. Noobs may do it sometimes, but it’s weird seeing it coming from someone who played for a few years
It felt like absolute bullshit to me

I mean, I do have bad experiences with reading creat and the stuff about his town meta sometimes being shitty were true, but even if that’s true, if he’s gonna be unreadable and if he’s claiming to be doing it on purpose, I do not have any reason to waste my time by keeping him alive in the game. Just no

His latest posts were better though
In post 682, Creature wrote:
In post 678, ManateeDude wrote:Creature (4) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst, Keyser Söze, volxen
First, this is never all town, specially if I'm town.

All of them reaching to the same wrong conclusion simply never happens in mafia history.
That was kinda townie.
The fact that he takes his “scum-flip” into probability when talking about interaction reads is not sth I think often comes from stressed scum.
In post 692, Creature wrote:
In post 690, the worst wrote:
In post 688, Creature wrote:Also I'm pretty sure scum are aware of the "oh scum will always townread town!creature", so likely they'd try to break it like this game.
waht.
like, it's pretty usual for scum to townread me because I will obvtown and they will look bad if I don't.

So they could push me as scum and when they turn to be wrong they can use the argument above.
And maaaybe that

I also kinda liked his “farting” read on volx, but meh

he kind of jumped up for me from an: "absolutely lynch" position to sth like: "yeah, ok.... go on..."
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Post Post #807 (isolation #124) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:09 pm

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In post 727, the worst wrote: I'm starting to wonder if I'm being wrong and Creature is actually willing to be bad town to fix his lopsided meta
Oh :/
But on that level it wouldn’t really make sense
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Post Post #808 (isolation #125) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:10 pm

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In post 731, Eragon wrote:im not doing any more big posts due to MY GODDAMN TESTS THAT I STILL NEED TO STUDY FOR

(good news: one got moved back to thursday)
(bad news: i still have 3 in the next 2 days)
Oof, and I thought I had it hard
In post 734, Eragon wrote:this is what i feel needs to happen for heaven phase

Heaven 1: send the towniest person we can spare(basically mislynch bait)
Kind of agree, but don’t go overboard with it
everyone’s got different reads anyway, so honestly, any kind of townie-looking lynch except the super confident/helpful ones will be plenty good
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Post Post #809 (isolation #126) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:10 pm

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Post Post #822 (isolation #127) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:19 pm

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P.Edit
About the heaven lynch, I think I’d be fine with volx after all
That’s not personally my strong SR, but if he really is scum (I'm kind of tempted to believe in the TRs on him, but meh), that’s a very valuable flip to get (even if it’s a heaven lynch imo)
I really doubt that scum would just remain idle if they got such a wonderful opportunity to get rid of one of them to heaven and only 2 people (as far as I remember) seemed to strongly push them being town
In post 766, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: eragon
Elaborate please (or quote the read cuz your posts are long and I might have missed it xd )

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I disagree with most of it, but I think volx’s read on eragon was good

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And sorry, that’s just a catchup, I got back like 2 hours ago, so I haven’t been able to do anything yet
Going to sleep rn, but I will 100% have time to work on my reads tomorrow
Sry for that
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Post Post #823 (isolation #128) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:24 pm

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In post 822, LabRat01 wrote:P.Edit
About the heaven lynch, I think I’d be fine with volx after all
That’s not personally my strong
TR
, but if he really is scum (I'm kind of tempted to believe in the TRs on him, but meh), that’s a very valuable flip to get (even if it’s a heaven lynch imo)
I really doubt that scum would just remain idle if they got such a wonderful opportunity to get rid of one of them to heaven and only 2 people (as far as I remember) seemed to strongly push them being town
In post 766, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: eragon
Elaborate please (or quote the read cuz your posts are long and I might have missed it xd )

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I disagree with most of it, but I think volx’s read on eragon was good

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And sorry, that’s just a catchup, I got back like 2 hours ago, so I haven’t been able to do anything yet
Going to sleep rn, but I will 100% have time to work on my reads tomorrow
Sry for that
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Post Post #954 (isolation #129) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:54 pm

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Fck, just noticed that there’s less than a day left xd

VOTE: Keyser

I want to lynch him today. I still don’t like his interactions with Creature and the way he was going about TW the whole game was just weird imo.
I’ve got a half-finished reads on everyone on the computer at home, but there isn’t much time, so I’ll try to re-write at least part it on the phone. Sorry if it ends up being unreadable, I can't really do anything about that here


I find the way Keyser pushed TW during the game to be really off. He was perfectly able to TR me based on my emotional postings and he’s absolutely refusing to notice the same thing in TW’s posts, even though there’s way more of it and it’s way more obvious.
TW’s flip-flops are a really good example imo. Like his “I DON’T KNOW KEYSER” flip-flop on me, or the way he’s being paranoid about creature since quite a while, or even the way he refused to present his case on keyser for so long and was sulking later because he felt like he said so much. There’s so freaking much of it and it’s an obviously better argument than most of the scum-tells keyser has been posting so far.
It kind of feels like Keyser got frozen with his read on TW early on and didn’t want to change it or notice anything townie going on about TW because he was salty that TW managed to SR him right.
Keyser said multiple times that he’s trying to re-evaluate TW, so if he’s town and he was really trying to get over his bad feelings, he’d surely have noticed all of those town-tells. I mean, he was able to notice those in my posts, so why the heck not in TW’s?

I didn’t also get a good feeling out of the way he interacted with TW in general. He was SRing TW nearly the whole game, yet when talking about the other reads, he seemed to be treating him as a town-leader (kind of a weak attitude, still willing to sheep reads despite having TW as his SR and without bothering to change his read later).
It kinda feels like coming from a stressed scum, who has no idea how to interact with TW as TvS.

This gives me a rather decent SR on him rn.


I’ve got a rather decent catchup at home, but those are the posts I wanted to address a bit faster
Gonna post the rest later:
In post 838, Eragon wrote:
In post 801, LabRat01 wrote:First thoughts when catching up:

Irrelephant seems to be really happy to town-read Voxel, which is kind of weirding me out.
In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 384, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 377, Irrelephant11 wrote:My one thought without fully catching up is this seems like a towny volxen, unless he’s trying very very hard to improve his scumgame (no nuance there)
Improvement noticed too... would like to witness wider focus though.
is this you saying he's "improved scum" or that he's town?
It's theoretically possible this is his improved scumgame (and he's tryhard enough to get there) but it's a BIG jump from easy-to-lynch-d1 scum!volxen from WW
In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:without nuance
haha to explain further he seems to really struggle as scum to come up with thought-out reasoning for his reads. His reads aren't perfect but the amount of thought that goes into them shows a lot about his alignment (I think he's almost certainly town here)
He’d have to be bullshiting hard for it to be a lie.
uhh im seeing a contradiction

you say "the happiness of the townread weirds me out" but also
you say "he'd have to be bullshitting hard to make this a lie" which means its a real read which is good right?

so its it wierd and overhappy or truthful and good?
It's weirding me out because there’s a lot of emotions in it
It’s prob more accurate to say that I strongly feel that the read is a honest one, thus analyzable, but I’m getting tinfoily every single time I try to get sth out if it
In post 838, Eragon wrote:
In post 805, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 709, Eragon wrote: yes my bready friend.

I've played this set-up before , albeit from the opposite side, and it was extremely mind-game fun
Oof, that’s dumb, like, extremely dumb, but it’s giving me town vibes

I don’t think I’ve ever seen eragon meme so hard btw
few things i gotta settle with you :twisted: :twisted:
1. what's dumb?
5. i've never playe with you before(unless alt)
17. I meme hard alot, especially early.
The way you described your purgatory game, while saying that you were scum and it was fun, felt really sincere to me
That’s def not a good argument though, cuz it’s dumb as hell and easy to fake, but damn…

And I am an alt. We haven’t played a lot together, but prob enough for me to have a decent grasp of your playstyle
In post 838, Eragon wrote:
uhh I meant more along the lines of "why is not lynching -Lynch target- game throwing"
I was talking about creature gamethrowing in his conversation
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In post 682, Creature wrote:
In post 678, ManateeDude wrote:Creature (4) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst, Keyser Söze, volxen
First, this is never all town, specially if I'm town.

All of them reaching to the same wrong conclusion simply never happens in mafia history.
That was kinda townie.
I don't think its that great of a conclusion, given the statistical approximation of at least one of them being scum simply by RNG

The fact that he takes his “scum-flip” into probability when talking about interaction reads is not sth I think often comes from stressed scum.
I can see this, although some semantics I noticed(using semantics to show its not strong and more just tinfoil) he used "if" as if he might not flip town even from his PoV?
I mean, I’m not really gonna argue about that, cuz it doesn’t give me a strong read either, but “saying that he might flip scum ” doesn’t make sense from town’s pov either
It felt like he was just trying to do sth while thinking of the other players, not only of himself, which I sort of liked, especially since if he’s scum, there’s quite a chance that he’d have to be telling the truth there
In post 838, Eragon wrote:
what did you like about the "Farting read"
I agree with the reasoning (cuz my thoughts about volx’s early posts were kinda similar) and the way he presented the read was just so bold
He could have been just sheeping me (or keyser cuz I think he said sth similar before) so it def wouldn’t have been difficult for him to fake it, but it was just so different than his previous non-commital posts, that I ended up liking it
In post 856, Irrelephant11 wrote:You seem more impersonal/rigid/not sure what the word is in your recent posts... trying to decide if that's AI
Actually, that’s exactly the type of post I’d expect you to write in the third person
Are you trying to judge me or interact with me here? Did you do it on purpose?

And idk, it’s possible, but it’s not sth I did intentionally
It might be also caused by the fact that I’ve been only catching up lately cuz of stuff IRL, which generally tends to make me exhausted
My mind is also still cloudy today despite that I’ve been resting the whole day
But I don’t think my playstyle should have changed that much because of it
In post 856, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 822, LabRat01 wrote:P.Edit
About the heaven lynch, I think I’d be fine with volx after all
That’s not personally my strong TR, but if he really is scum (I'm kind of tempted to believe in the TRs on him, but meh), that’s a very valuable flip to get (even if it’s a heaven lynch imo)
I really doubt that scum would just remain idle if they got such a wonderful opportunity to get rid of one of them to heaven and only 2 people (as far as I remember) seemed to strongly push them being town
1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum? Do you think using heaven lynches to sort is a good strategy in this setup?
No, I don’t think volx is likely to flip scum rn. His later posts were better and he’s strongly TR by my strong TR, which kinda makes me less confident in my previous read. He’s still a person I’m struggling to get a read on, but I feel that I should sort him as soon as possible, because he gives a lot of spicy interactions

Yeah, I do think sending not-obv town to heaven it is a valid strategy. A bit more in a 15p than in a 9p, but still it makes a lot more sense to do that than to simply send the most townie player there
You’d be basically wasting a cop check and a full day of discussion

It shouldn’t be relied on too much, but I think the risk is worth it here
In post 861, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 856, Irrelephant11 wrote:1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum?
tbh, if Volxen did flip scum in heaven I would look at you (you are a type of scum-player to white-knight his scum teammates to high heaven and not bus) :cool:
man, you’re either a genius or just suck at interactions
it smells of SvS so god damn much
How are you so confident that Irre’s scum meta from the lovers game would be valid and he isn’t bussing in here right now? Seriously, no carefulness, no hesitation, nothing?
If it was a joke, it didn’t make me laugh
In post 892, Irrelephant11 wrote: Now the question is: would Keyser make this towncase on a townie as scum? I think most of my scumread of Keyser came from lack of nuance/mutual scumread with at first/buddying vibes
If Keyser is scum here he feels confident that buddying with the right people will save his team, or he's scum with DrJ...

Maybe it's just eragon/creature/lefty
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Of course he freaking would
Nearly everyone has been TRing DrJ before Keyser did it rn, so him changing his opinion rn is of absolutely no value
C’mon, you’re better than this, this logic doesn’t even make sense
In post 897, Irrelephant11 wrote:but actually his case on DrJ was the first time this game he's been objectively very much like his town self, imo
reminds me of his Presidents play, finally
Not sure it's enough for anything resembling a strong townread but I think we already agreed not to lynch him today
And I really don’t like that change
In post 923, the worst wrote:
In post 921, Eragon wrote::3
921 is a v v wolfy post
Wait, why?
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Post Post #968 (isolation #130) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:24 pm

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i'm kind of on the run rn, so I can't write much, but it's L-1, right? So no, give me at least some time to paste the other reads. Manatee should be asleep rn anyways, so it shouldn't even make a difference
And why creat over keyser?
In post 958, the worst wrote:Labby I really really like playing with you and if you're scum I'll cry
so
fess up if you are pls
uh, got no idea what fess up means, but thanks, I guess?
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Post Post #969 (isolation #131) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:25 pm

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In post 959, Keyser Söze wrote:@LabRat you’re not TW
I have no play history with you
Why would I react the same way I react to you the same way with TW
Certain town tells/scum tells aren’t universal that can magically be applied to all players
There is nothing wrong with how I was suspicious with TW this game.
Even if it has put me in the s**t, I had to air it.

Awful vote LabRat.
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Post Post #970 (isolation #132) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:01 pm

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the worst wrote:
In post 1, ManateeDude wrote:Everyone will receive a Mafia Goon or Vanilla Townie role PM
The game cycles between hell phase and heaven phase, starting with a hell phase
@Manatee
lovely are you enforcing this rule via plurality lynching? <3
Btw, there has to be a plurality lynch, or else heaven-no-lynching would make the town OP

[insert quote tags]
First post:
Votes to No Lynch are not allowed
At the end of each phase, a lynch on the person with the highest amount of votes will be achieved. If there is a tie, it will be RNGed
[end quote here]
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Post Post #981 (isolation #133) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:16 am

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In post 980, Creature wrote:Cool Ausuka replaced in
Derp not SvS
probably
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #134) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:28 am

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In post 982, the worst wrote:
In post 981, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 980, Creature wrote:Cool Ausuka replaced in
Derp not SvS
probably
how
Cuz it would be kinda funny for him to be so late with noticing that his scumbuddy got a replacement (especially with the maf chat being open 24h/7)
But it’s rather flimsy reasoning, so w/e
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Post Post #1035 (isolation #135) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:31 am

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In post 986, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Ausuka

PoE is a good place to vote right now.
POE, MY ASS, NO IT’S NOT
You’ll have to try hard to make me believe that you wouldn’t be able to get decent reads to push after the whole day has passed. What the heck are you even doing
And you don’t even have a TR on creature while a lot of people do SR him, so why did you even think of the idea to “PoE-lynch”?
In post 990, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Eragon
In post 991, Keyser Söze wrote:There’s gotta be scum in the Watchmen :giggle:

Imagine if it’s The Watchman Wanted vs Mafia :cool:
Is it a joke?

No, seriously, it feels like you’re either getting desperate and trying to think of bullshit that would save you and creat from getting lynched, or you’re trying to fake defending creat, so that you’ll look better if he flips town
Seriously, this is awful, those are not posts you should be making just before EoD
explain it please
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Post Post #1036 (isolation #136) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:32 am

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In post 1034, Creature wrote:Gamestate like spews me town but apparently my flip gives the most info
hey, I'll forgive you if you vote keyser with me
I'm serious with the vote in here and I'm currently more confident in my read on him than on you
what do you think about lynching him?
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #137) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:33 am

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In post 995, Eragon wrote:so im assuming you are pretty sure keyser flips scum based off of this and other posts, but you think the most likely thing is Town lab defending Scum keyser and then hard-pushing him EoD?
I don’t think I’ve ever defended him? I didn’t have a strong read on him through most of the game and even if I wanted to, I wouldn’t even have an opportunity to defend him till like, people started making reads that weren’t 90% based on meta… It was more of him defending me through most of the game
In post 1000, Eragon wrote:
In post 981, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 980, Creature wrote:Cool Ausuka replaced in
Derp not SvS
probably
knowing creature it could by anything :lol: :lol:
sigh, true :/
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #138) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:36 am

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In post 1037, Creature wrote:Wait me reach home atleast k?
noted :thumbs_up:
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #139) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:36 am

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In post 1011, Eragon wrote:
In post 1010, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 994, Eragon wrote:i'll hammer if neccesary
What was your whole entrance scene then - Masturbatory posturing?
Surely you must have a PoE?
:Mega_Thonk:
i do have a PoE, and i just posted it( not just but w/e nothings changed)
thats why i said "if neccessary"
i prefer not lynching creature
but lynching creature > no lynching or having wagons be tied
Then wagon Keyser with me
I legit do not get how would his last posts come from town
You haven’t read the game, so you prob cannot comment on my previous read, but do you have any thoughts about keyser’s latest votes?
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #140) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:38 am

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In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote:Fck, just noticed that there’s less than a day left xd

VOTE: Keyser

I want to lynch him today. I still don’t like his interactions with Creature and the way he was going about TW the whole game was just weird imo.
What is scummy about my interactions with Creature? Is it because you think we're scum partners?
The way you defended him when people were SRing him based on his meta felt off to me.
You you didn’t seem to know creat’s scum meta, yet you seemed really confident that pushes like: “he’s even worse as scum” or “he’s an easy read when you know how he plays” being wrong and creat being absolutely unreadable.

It did ping me as a possible SvS and you defending your scummate, but I wouldn’t be surprised if scum!you did this because you knew that creature is town and that all of those meta arguments were wrong anyways.

Yeah, you did make a post later in which you “threw your meta-read in the bin” after TW made that long post about creat’s scum meta, but it doesn’t really change anything imo.
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote: I find the way Keyser pushed TW during the game to be really off. He was perfectly able to TR me based on my emotional postings and he’s absolutely refusing to notice the same thing in TW’s posts, even though there’s way more of it and it’s way more obvious.
I've seen scum-TW express a full array of emotions, so I couldn't hold up your emotional parameters against him and judge you by the same measuring stick.
Could you link me to a scum game like that? And could you comment on the emotional tells I’m TRing TW for? I could quote them for you if you want to
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 861, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 856, Irrelephant11 wrote:1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum?
tbh, if Volxen did flip scum in heaven I would look at you (you are a type of scum-player to white-knight his scum teammates to high heaven and not bus) :cool:
man, you’re either a genius or just suck at interactions
It's a mere theory. It's either right or wrong - there's no genius or sucking involved.

it smells of SvS so god damn much
Scum between me and who?
You and irre
But I guess I should take into account what TW said about you doing that on a normal basis…
It seemed rather legit :/
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote:How are you so confident that Irre’s scum meta from the lovers game would be valid and he isn’t bussing in here right now? Seriously, no carefulness, no hesitation, nothing?
It's a quick off-the-cuff theory, not a 1000 word Finger of Suspicion. Are you tryin to project the suspicion I should be having on Irrelphant?
Now that I think of it, it might have been just your awkward way of interacting with the other players, but basically, yeah
I found it weird that you’d be so carefree to read irrelephant’s interactions based on a meta from a game, where he was basically forced to buddy his scummates.
It kinda felt as if you just wanted to distance yourself from him by reminding the other players that “irrelephant always defends his scummates” while he’s been bussing you half of the day here
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 892, Irrelephant11 wrote: Now the question is: would Keyser make this towncase on a townie as scum? I think most of my scumread of Keyser came from lack of nuance/mutual scumread with at first/buddying vibes
If Keyser is scum here he feels confident that buddying with the right people will save his team, or he's scum with DrJ...

Maybe it's just eragon/creature/lefty
Of course he freaking would
Nearly everyone has been TRing DrJ before Keyser did it rn, so him changing his opinion rn is of absolutely no value
I didn't change my read from scum to town on Dr J. He went from a low end town lean, to a top end town lean. There is no operatic scum motivation for me to do that. There was a developing/gradual change of read after a re-read and chat with Irrelephant.
I don’t really care about that tbh. The read wasn’t bad, but I don’t think you should be town-read for it
It was a post addressed to irre btw
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 897, Irrelephant11 wrote:but actually his case on DrJ was the first time this game he's been objectively very much like his town self, imo
reminds me of his Presidents play, finally
Not sure it's enough for anything resembling a strong townread but I think we already agreed not to lynch him today
And I really don’t like that change
I tend to change my reads a lot. New information is supplied every page and after every flip. Get used to it.
Same here, it was addressed to irre.
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #141) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:39 am

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gtg, sry
quickposted what I've got till now, gonna read the rest later
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #142) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:39 am

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I’ve been catching up since some time, planning to prodge till I finish
Keyser is still scum. Haven't read much, but there wasn't anything on the thread till now that would make me change my mind

gonna be back when I finish
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Post Post #1438 (isolation #143) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:00 pm

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In post 1028, volxen wrote: After all, unlike Watcher Wanted this game setup can potentially be very punishing of busing, since 2/3 scum have to make it to Heaven for them to win. So if Keyser and Creature are scum together, Keyser may simply be unwilling to bus here.
First off, you can’t assume that mafia will automatically buddy each other even if the setup heavily punishes bussing. High risk is often correlated with high benefits, so do not just simply believe in that and you’ll be fine imo
Like, it most prob depends on the scums’ personalities and on how confident they feel at the moment
In post 1029, Creature wrote:I feel like players don't actually think I'm scum anymore but just wants my flip because I am the more informative
No, it was not
And no, you were just scummy, not the more informative one
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Post Post #1439 (isolation #144) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:01 pm

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In post 1049, Keyser Söze wrote:I don’t think I should be the D1 lynch guys.
But if I’m your strongest scum read, then ok then. My playstyle doesn’t work on this site anymore.

Bye guys been fun last few games. See you in couple years
Sorry if I was rude or if my read offended you in any way. I didn’t mean it to be like that :/
Could you answer my read on you though?
In post 1047, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote:Fck, just noticed that there’s less than a day left xd

VOTE: Keyser

I want to lynch him today. I still don’t like his interactions with Creature and the way he was going about TW the whole game was just weird imo.
What is scummy about my interactions with Creature? Is it because you think we're scum partners?
The way you defended him when people were SRing him based on his meta felt off to me.
You you didn’t seem to know creat’s scum meta, yet you seemed really confident that pushes like: “he’s even worse as scum” or “he’s an easy read when you know how he plays” being wrong and creat being absolutely unreadable.

It did ping me as a possible SvS and you defending your scummate, but I wouldn’t be surprised if scum!you did this because you knew that creature is town and that all of those meta arguments were wrong anyways.

Yeah, you did make a post later in which you “threw your meta-read in the bin” after TW made that long post about creat’s scum meta, but it doesn’t really change anything imo.
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote: I find the way Keyser pushed TW during the game to be really off. He was perfectly able to TR me based on my emotional postings and he’s absolutely refusing to notice the same thing in TW’s posts, even though there’s way more of it and it’s way more obvious.
I've seen scum-TW express a full array of emotions, so I couldn't hold up your emotional parameters against him and judge you by the same measuring stick.
Could you link me to a scum game like that? And could you comment on the emotional tells I’m TRing TW for? I could quote them for you if you want to
In post 1035, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 986, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Ausuka

PoE is a good place to vote right now.
POE, MY ASS, NO IT’S NOT
You’ll have to try hard to make me believe that you wouldn’t be able to get decent reads to push after the whole day has passed. What the heck are you even doing
And you don’t even have a TR on creature while a lot of people do SR him, so why did you even think of the idea to “PoE-lynch”?
In post 990, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Eragon
In post 991, Keyser Söze wrote:There’s gotta be scum in the Watchmen :giggle:

Imagine if it’s The Watchman Wanted vs Mafia :cool:
Is it a joke?

No, seriously, it feels like you’re either getting desperate and trying to think of bullshit that would save you and creat from getting lynched, or you’re trying to fake defending creat, so that you’ll look better if he flips town
Seriously, this is awful, those are not posts you should be making just before EoD
explain it please
In post 1047, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 892, Irrelephant11 wrote: Now the question is: would Keyser make this towncase on a townie as scum? I think most of my scumread of Keyser came from lack of nuance/mutual scumread with at first/buddying vibes
If Keyser is scum here he feels confident that buddying with the right people will save his team, or he's scum with DrJ...

Maybe it's just eragon/creature/lefty
Of course he freaking would
Nearly everyone has been TRing DrJ before Keyser did it rn, so him changing his opinion rn is of absolutely no value
I didn't change my read from scum to town on Dr J. He went from a low end town lean, to a top end town lean. There is no operatic scum motivation for me to do that. There was a developing/gradual change of read after a re-read and chat with Irrelephant.
I don’t really care about that tbh. The read wasn’t bad, but I don’t think you should be town-read for it
It was a post addressed to irre btw
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 897, Irrelephant11 wrote:but actually his case on DrJ was the first time this game he's been objectively very much like his town self, imo
reminds me of his Presidents play, finally
Not sure it's enough for anything resembling a strong townread but I think we already agreed not to lynch him today
And I really don’t like that change
I tend to change my reads a lot. New information is supplied every page and after every flip. Get used to it.
Same here, it was addressed to irre.
And actually, now that I read it, you answering the posts which were clearly meant for irrelephant to answer feels kind of lamist
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #145) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:19 pm

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In post 1052, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1035, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 986, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Ausuka

PoE is a good place to vote right now.
POE, MY ASS, NO IT’S NOT
You’ll have to try hard to make me believe that you wouldn’t be able to get decent reads to push after the whole day has passed. What the heck are you even doing
And you don’t even have a TR on creature while a lot of people do SR him, so why did you even think of the idea to “PoE-lynch”?
Like yeah Keyser's vote there wasn't the best but from what he said afterwards it seems likely that he was townreading Creature there hence why he doesn't want that lynch - with less than a day left a compromise lynch does make some sense.
First off, you should prob catch up fully first

Do you remember Keyser writing anything about creature being town other than his early-game meta defense (which got discarded later on because of TW’s meta-case)?
No?
Neither do I tbh

If he really was TRing creature, why didn’t he try to do anything about it before creat got lynched?
Even if his read wasn’t strong, not saying anything feels like a shitty way to save his own ass
In post 986, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Ausuka

PoE is a good place to vote right now.
And as I said before, I got really bad vibes from the way Keyser changed his votes later on. He ignored all scum-cases made against creature and everything else AI, which happened during the day just for the sake of “lynching for PoE”.
That makes absolutely no sense from town PoV.
In post 1035, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 990, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Eragon
In post 991, Keyser Söze wrote:There’s gotta be scum in the Watchmen :giggle:

Imagine if it’s The Watchman Wanted vs Mafia :cool:
The next posts, with the vote explained by a joke

His attitude there felt awful to me. It felt as if he didn’t actually care what happens to the wagon on creature or to his new pushes, and was just shitting around, waiting for stuff to happen
This attitude never comes from town imo

Town!he should at least care about what people say about Asuka/eragon/creature. Like, care to progress the game or sth
His votes and the lack of any kind explanation or serious attitude made me feel that he wasn't sincere about trying to distract the lynch from creature and didn't honestly want that to happen

The votes felt like they were made for the purpose of
a) looking more townie after creature’s lynch
or
b) just for the sake of being off the wagon so that the wagon is smaller and people feel free to place their votes there so that if anything shitty happens later, he’s still able to re-vote and save his own ass

OR W/E, I don’t really care about the reason tbh,
that was a vote that NEVER comes from town imo

That just makes no damn sense
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Post Post #1441 (isolation #146) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:19 pm

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In post 1052, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1035, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 990, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Eragon
In post 991, Keyser Söze wrote:There’s gotta be scum in the Watchmen :giggle:

Imagine if it’s The Watchman Wanted vs Mafia :cool:
Is it a joke?

No, seriously, it feels like you’re either getting desperate and trying to think of bullshit that would save you and creat from getting lynched, or you’re trying to fake defending creat, so that you’ll look better if he flips town
Seriously, this is awful, those are not posts you should be making just before EoD
explain it please
And like 991 was a joke and I really don't think it's scum indicative at all.
refer to what I said above
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Post Post #1442 (isolation #147) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:44 pm

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In post 1052, Ausuka wrote:wrt/ I haven't exactly read the entire game but just because town emotion seems obvious to you doesn't mean every townie is going to interpret it in the same way - I do think TW is capable of faking emotions as scum and a fluid train of thought, and looking at honestly I don't even see why scum can't fake that.
Yeah, he prob would be able to fake one thing, but I doubt he’d be able to lie about everything he’s done on the thread so far. Besides his early game thoughts about RvS, TW’s thought progression on every player was incredibly clear

I liked the way his reads changed on me early in the game, the flip-flops on creature later on and the way he felt bad after writing his meta-read on Keyser.
Besides, I think the way he flip-flopped on nearly all of his strong reads D1 was really town-indicative.
Would he flip-flop that much as scum?
Would he be able to make all of it look natural?
I mean, there’s a really big chance that scum!TW would have to SR at least one of their teammates during the game
Trying to fake all of that at the same time would have just made him and all of his scummates stressed out and more likely to screw up because of the constant pressure

Like, there’s a lot of town-tells imo and I was expecting that if keyser does tend to read people based on emotions, he should have noticed at least
some
of those in TW’s posts.

Him not even considering anything like that felt like he didn’t really care about it at all and just wanted to have an and easy read on TW

Like, c’mon just look at any of keyser’s reads on TW, there was so much more he could have written and most of the time, despite talking about TW on various subjects and having varying opinions on A LOT of stuff, Keyser ignored that, just to read TW for activity and his “bad” read on me
That’s just not enough
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Post Post #1443 (isolation #148) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:01 pm

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In post 1052, Ausuka wrote:I think it is very rare to be "salty that (somebody) SRd you right" and I also don't get the impression Keyser is that kind of person.
  • At the beginning of the game TW scum-read me and keyser for some shitty reasons
  • Keyser got a scum-read on TW thanks to that (because he thought that TWs scum-read on me was bad)
  • Later on TW started changing his reads and acting uncertain about them, while he still scum-read keyser and was still refusing to explain the meta-reasons for doing so.
  • Keyser, on the other hand, started acting in a way that was weird to me. He still pushed TW for scum-reading me, while ignoring the other stuff that might have been AI in TW’s posts. As I said before, it felt like he treated TW as a town leader when discussing reads and completely ignored those conversations and his previous townie attitude when making pushes
It felt like he was treating and talking to TW as to a townie, yet still SRing him occasionally in his “read-posts”, which felt kinda contradictory

Actually, I agree that it might not have necessarily been a salt reaction. I think I went a bit too deeply into their interactions, when it was kind of a stretch and there wasn’t even a need for that :/

Basically, keyser’s case on TW felt fake to me. It felt like he knew TW is town, which is why he interacted with him as with a townie when discussing reads, yet SR him later just to get the "towncreed push"
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Post Post #1444 (isolation #149) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:03 pm

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In post 1052, Ausuka wrote:And again you interpreting those posts as town tells really does not mean that everybody has to.
I think he should. I would expect that from town!him tbh, especially if they're used to playing together
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Post Post #1445 (isolation #150) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:12 pm

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In post 1052, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1047, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote:Fck, just noticed that there’s less than a day left xd

VOTE: Keyser

I want to lynch him today. I still don’t like his interactions with Creature and the way he was going about TW the whole game was just weird imo.
What is scummy about my interactions with Creature? Is it because you think we're scum partners?
The way you defended him when people were SRing him based on his meta felt off to me.
You you didn’t seem to know creat’s scum meta, yet you seemed really confident that pushes like: “he’s even worse as scum” or “he’s an easy read when you know how he plays” being wrong and creat being absolutely unreadable.

It did ping me as a possible SvS and you defending your scummate, but I wouldn’t be surprised if scum!you did this because you knew that creature is town and that all of those meta arguments were wrong anyways.

Yeah, you did make a post later in which you “threw your meta-read in the bin” after TW made that long post about creat’s scum meta, but it doesn’t really change anything imo.
wrt/ ; you don't need to be an extensive expert to know about Creature's meta; you can simply look at recent games in which he blurred the line. And a lot of people are just strongly against meta in general without any background knowledge of the player being discussed.
Again, you’re defending keyser without knowing what you’re talking about.

At the beginning TW and the others strongly meta-scum-read Creature for active lurking

Keyser and I chatted a bit that
neither of us know Creat’s scum meta
, but we’ve got bad experiences with SRing creat as town

There were more posts (mainly from TW) that Creat’s scum-meta is
even worse
than his town meta and that it’s
often rather easy to discern


And Keyser answered that by explaining Creature’s TOWN meta and trying to make the point that
Creature is unreadable by meta
, which felt just TMI to me.

If everyone was saying that Creat “is even worse as scum than as town” and Keyser knew only about Creat’s town meta, how did he even know that people were over-relying on creat’s scum meta?
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Post Post #1446 (isolation #151) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:15 pm

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In post 1058, Irrelephant11 wrote:ew keyser what
what is the AtE on this and last page
do you *want* to get lynched
honestly right now the case labrat is making on keyser is all basically true about eragon except eragon has basically none of the towny moments keyser has, and I think there are worlds here where keyser is town
feels like eragon is only itt when asked, and hoping to just gather little enough attention to survive the day phase.
idk keyser is not my strongest scumread and if lab+creature are the wagon I think I'll probably pass for now
creature has done next to nothing all day, still fine with his lynch

DrJ where's your head at
Ausuka you should place a vote
Eww
IF you think my case on keyser makes sense, then why not answer it instead of placing it on another player? Why not talk about keyser with me? I mean, you did say that my read does make sense, but for another player, right?
C’mon, you’re not the type to avoid conversation like this.
I really doubt that I’m wrong about keyser rn, but unless I am, I’d like you to get lynched next.

And nice shade there :) You weren’t even SRing me, so how is me being on the wagon influencing your choice of not wanting to vote keyser?
Do you disagree with my read on keyser?
No?
if so, then wtf was that about

Don’t say that creature being on the wagon JUST TO SAVE HIS OWN ASS AND BECAUSE I ASKED HIM TO DO IT, influenced your read on keyser in any way
Do you think he wouldn’t bus there?
Why?
Like, c’mon, I remembered you as more thoughtful than that. That argument makes no sense and rn it kind of feels like you just wanted to have as many arguments as possible NOT to lynch your scummate. Like, c'mon it's just bad
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #152) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:16 pm

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In post 1072, Ausuka wrote:I don't get why he would pretend he was lynched as scum when that's obviously not the case? I really think that's just a joke honestly.
Legit question, how much do you know about AtE and how often do you analyze the emotions in the players’ posts?
In post 1112, Ausuka wrote:Ouch ok.

Unless I get a reason to vote elsewhere will likely vote heaven in {Jekyll, Keyser}
Why the fuck do you want to lynch keyser to heaven?
In post 1119, Ausuka wrote: Yeah Keyser wagon for heaven probably isn't happening but whatever.

Pedit: Why can't we sort him now?
Scroll up to my scum case on him
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Post Post #1448 (isolation #153) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:20 pm

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In post 1049, Keyser Söze wrote:I don’t think I should be the D1 lynch guys.

But if I’m your strongest scum read, then ok then. My playstyle doesn’t work on this site anymore.


Bye guys been fun last few games. See you in couple years
In post 1130, Keyser Söze wrote:Let’s counter

VOTE: Dr J
I’m really, really tempted to read this as a town-spew.

A lot of keyser’s next posts feel like he’s honestly trying to change the townies’ opinions on him, so that he doesn’t get lynched in the next hell phase.
There’s no way scum!Keyser would pick his teammate as the heaven push in a situation like that imo.
If keyser is scum (I'm really confident he is), DrJ should be town
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #154) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:21 pm

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In post 1131, Keyser Söze wrote:Gonna park my vote there for now and look at LabRat. Didn’t like where their focus was in the latter part of D1 (they kept pressure on Creature and me). They began D1 as an easy town read, but ended it in my PoE - now I gotta take off my OMGUS glasses.
hey, what do you think was scummy about my case on you?
and if you didn't like it, why didn't you push me or it?
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #155) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:22 pm

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In post 1135, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:You’ll have to give me about 3-4 hours to get to sifting through my broken quotes, (or any attempt at salvaging them).
Ngl, like, with Town!Creature flip, I’m gonna sift through and see what changes with Town!Creature.

-Kor
I feel you man
I’ve already wasted like 5 hours on the catch up, despite the fact that I’m only 4 pages in
This is just so much bullshit
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Post Post #1451 (isolation #156) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:25 pm

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In post 1147, Keyser Söze wrote:Trying to figure out the point where LabRat turned on me, and why.
First off, I never tunneled you. I took a day to get reads on everyone one after another, but didn’t have enough time to edit all of them before EoD, so I just posted yours.

Some stuff happened, which is also partially my mistake and I’ve lost everything I wrote in the last few days, including the first part of the catchup, which I’m re-writing rn. So sorry, but I won’t be able to paste all of that rn

Idk if I’ll be re-writing the reads anythime soon, because this catchup is already annoying the hell out of me, but if you have any questions about any specific player, feel free to ask
I remember the reads rather well, so I think I’ll be able to re-write them rather accurately if needed
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Post Post #1452 (isolation #157) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:26 pm

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In post 1147, Keyser Söze wrote:doing a suspicious U-TURN
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #158) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:27 pm

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In post 1152, volxen wrote:Meaning I don't think Irrelephant is the sole scum on his wagon.
In post 1152, volxen wrote: I'm not ruling out the possibility of scum!Irrelephant, but if he is scum then there were most likely multiple scum on Creature's wagon.
Can you elaborate on your read on irre?
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Post Post #1454 (isolation #159) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:28 pm

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In post 1169, Keyser Söze wrote:@Eragon - I didn’t stop t/reading Rat because she was s/reading me. It’s actually the intensity/authenticity of her s/read which I actually t/read. Please don’t miss-rep me.
Answer my read, please.
You said that you didn’t like it, but aren’t actually answering any of my points.
I get that you might not want to answer the long one, which you’ve already talked about before, but there shouldn’t be anything stopping you from answering my 2-nd question about the votes
Just do it
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #160) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:29 pm

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In post 1171, Eragon wrote:
In post 1169, Keyser Söze wrote:@Eragon - I didn’t stop t/reading Rat because she was s/reading me. It’s actually the intensity/authenticity of her s/read which I actually t/read. Please don’t miss-rep me.
then what is this?

```Then LabRat said he was going to do a re-read...

*MAYBE HERE*

Then LabRat started her surprising late assault on me:```
Thank you
In post 1212, Keyser Söze wrote:Still don’t trust Irrelphant (and don’t like you both nearly had the exact reads yesterday) but still a player we can work with.

Not t/reading Eragon - if town they need to find scum outside of Ausuka/DR J/LabRat IMO
Why Ausuka, is that list PoE or sth
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #161) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:32 pm

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In post 1220, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Only thing I see is that Labrat and creature were not voting the whole day (they might have had intermediate votes between VCs)
furthermore, at the very end both of them voted together on keyser.
I'm not sure what to make of that. Obviously, we know creature was town, and there can't any form of townbloc (masons etc). I think its NAI personally.

labrat not voting is slightly suspicious given I tend to do that as scum.

and yep I've been reading mastin's VCA guide looking for help :P
yeeeeah, I’ve been trying to change it since quite a while now, but I’m still rather bad at voting
It doesn’t come naturally for me
In post 1221, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:ah, is it just me or has labrat literally not posted since day start?
yep, no posts since nov 15
that coupled with lack of voting, wait a minute, let me check
and yeah, sorry for that
I took a break after EoD to refill my fuel and it kind of escalated due to some reasons
It’s not anything connected to the game though

I think I will be taking breaks like that from time to time. I generally tend to spend a lot of time writing stuff, so taking some time off is a must for me. It’ll prob take up some of the game-time because there are no night phases here, but I don’t think it should be too much of a problem as there should be plenty of time to do stuff later anyways
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Post Post #1457 (isolation #162) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:33 pm

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In post 1223, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1192, the worst wrote:Relly I'm having a moment of mania

how about we send Keyser to heaven
I'm not Irrele but sure, let's do it.

VOTE: Keyser Söze
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #163) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:34 pm

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and please can you comment on the stuff I posted about Keyser rn? do you still disagree with it?
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Post Post #1459 (isolation #164) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:35 pm

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In post 1227, Keyser Söze wrote:You said my interactions with Creature and TW were scummy on D1... what’s your current read on TW? Still strong town?

Just because I did not share your read on Creature and TW on D1 doesn’t mean I am scum.

I have play history with both Creature and TW (nearly almost miss-read them) - so why does my struggle to understand them equate to scumminess (I’m not going to approach those two specific slots the way you did, they’re never easy reads).
Idk if that post was addressed to me or not, but
1. yes, I’m still TRing TW, I don’t think he’s likely to flip scum here.
2. ??????
3. it’s not that you’re misreading them, it’s that it doesn’t feel like you’re honestly trying to understand them. I explained it already several times, so if you want to, you can comment on that (please do)
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Post Post #1460 (isolation #165) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:35 pm

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Btw, got no idea who mastina is
In post 1233, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 443, LabRat01 wrote:wait, wtf is going on
What was this reaction towards?
You voting me to get a reaction out of TW
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Post Post #1461 (isolation #166) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:37 pm

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In post 1236, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I'm absolutely happy with Keyser. I'm townreading him at the moment and more so than tw or lab. Volxen... I'm not sending someone to heaven based on meta. I'd rather send a townread to heaven

VOTE: Keyser
Why the fuck are you townreading him, you said my read on him was solid, so can you comment on it? and what do you think about his vote changes near EoD?

I officially announce that from now on I’m gonna murder anyone who votes on keyser without saying anything about their posts D1.
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #167) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:39 pm

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In post 1240, Keyser Söze wrote:Only problem with Labby in heaven is that they would send me to hell (martyr kill).

So I want to go through their s/read of me with them.
Yeah, actually, I will even if only because so many people seem to be conveniently forgetting about everything anyone said about you (not talking necessarily only about DrJ here, I don’t like how everything I said is just getting “shrugged off” rn)
Forming a wagon on you is honestly so damn hard and it’s freaking irritating
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Post Post #1463 (isolation #168) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:39 pm

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In post 1251, Keyser Söze wrote:Question: why doesn't Eragon have more town credit right now? They apparently shared a 10,000 word thesis on why Creature was town when they entered the thread...?) Eragon was also off-wagon..? Asking these questions to myself right now...
a) The scums are bussing
b) Eragon isn’t scum
Actually, do you want to talk about eragon? That would be actually rather cool
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Post Post #1464 (isolation #169) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:40 pm

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In post 1253, Keyser Söze wrote:
Dr J

Keyser

Volxen


Eragon
Ausuka


Irrelephant

TW

LabRat
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Post Post #1465 (isolation #170) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:41 pm

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In post 1256, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1254, volxen wrote:Keyser, are you saying here you suspect the scumteam is Irrelephant/TW/Labrat?
Yes, been sitting on this theory since D1, but TW's/Irrelphants/LabRats D2 posts just confirmed it in my head.

I'll explain it D3.
Explain it now please (´∀`)
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Post Post #1466 (isolation #171) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:41 pm

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In post 1259, volxen wrote:
In post 1258, Keyser Söze wrote:Yes, Dr J firm favourite.
Eragon after you, but yes, Eragon deserves to go to heaven (they should have just followed their reads D1 and not be misled by 'the mob').
Alright then, I'm OK with sending Dr. J to Heaven. He was the first person I townread on day one, and the fact that he townreads you makes me feel better about your slot.

VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
Lesson nr 1. Never trust………

Ugh, sorry
God, if keyser somehow flips town here, I’m gonna feel so freaking dumb :/
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #172) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:42 pm

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In post 1262, volxen wrote:
In post 1260, Keyser Söze wrote:What's been going on is alot of distancing/anti distancing attempts, chainlinking players with their scum teammates, scumslips, forced town reads, discrediting and false bravado.
One thing that has concerned about me TW and Irrelephant, actually, is how easily and quickly they came to townread me this game. I am town, but in the one game where TW and I were town together (Newbie 1888), he was
extremely
critical of my slot and it took him a long time to come to around to townreading me, after heavily scumreading me first. And likewise, in the one game where Irrelephant and I were town together (Newbie 1894), it took a while for Irrelephant to townread me as well, and he definitely considered the possibility of me being scum in that game. In this game, they both quite quickly and easily came to the conclusion that I am town based on meta reasons, which is somewhat odd considering they both have quite critically scrutinized my slot in our previous games together.

Whereas with Eragon, he came to townread me pretty quickly as well, but he gave very detailed reasons as to why and it was based entirely on this game rather than meta reasons.
Actually, that’s a p good post
In post 1270, Eragon wrote:
In post 1261, Eragon wrote:dont mind me pondering the most important question of the universe...

TL;DR sorry i've been active, doing thingies soon
btw the question in question is...
Spoiler: be prepared for the depth of the importance
Is... The Worst... actually... A DUCK?????
DUN DUN DUN!
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #173) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:43 pm

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In post 1281, Keyser Söze wrote: Ausuka reacted the best to my AtE/roleclaim reaction test
In post 1296, Keyser Söze wrote:Look forward to LabRat and Irrelephant's next moves.
Honestly, this
Spoiler:
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If you’re gonna go around saying that you’re reaction-testing, please remember what I said about creature.
Like, I already said what I think about that, I don’t think I need to repeat myself
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Post Post #1469 (isolation #174) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:45 pm

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Btw, I don’t really like that nearly every time I see a SR on eragon, the read is about his “confident”/”TMI” TR on creat.
People ignoring Eragon’s defense over and over feels kinda off. Seriously, how many times in a row is a person able to forget about that?
And how many people can be honestly doing that at the same time?

Idk if he’s just an easy push or the scums feel threatened and want to distance, but I’m not a fan of that
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Post Post #1470 (isolation #175) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:47 pm

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In post 1340, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1228, the worst wrote:I dreamed we quicklynched Labby and she was town
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Actually, what the heck are you doing? You’ve been mildly-pushing me the whole day without providing any sort of read/elaboration except the stuff you said really early in the day. If you think it’s ok and it’ll all go away once you say that it’s a bait, then let me tell you that you are wrong.
I provided enough content for you to be able to read me normally without having to resort to stuff like that
And if you’re not “reaction-testing”, then please take it seriously

I’m sorry if I’m being rude, I’m kinda pissed rn because people just ignored my read right after agreeing with it and now I have to repeat everything I said before, because my freaking catchup post got deleted
I do want to lynch you tomorrow and if you do want to lynch me, make a case, comment on the stuff I said or sth
Just don’t do it the way you’re doing it now because it’s
1. worthless
And
2. making me want to respond to you in a really shitty way

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Post Post #1471 (isolation #176) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:51 pm

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In post 1370, the worst wrote:keyser's literally just spewing out whatever he can think of that makes other slots look bad

it's very transparently not town motivated so i implore you all to stop reading effort as alignment but yeah i did appreciate your "huh?" response to his most irrelevant shade throw
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Thank you

Honestly, if you end up being scum, I’m prob gonna murder you
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Post Post #1472 (isolation #177) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:53 pm

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In post 1373, the worst wrote: {Labby}
{tw, dr J}
{volxen}

{Eragon}
{Ausuka}

{Rel}
{keyser}

this might be an ok solve
fixed. σ゚ロ゚)σ
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #178) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:02 pm

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In post 1424, Keyser Söze wrote:I too, scum read LabRat.

FTR: Scum!LabRat was using me as a springboard to attack players for attacking me. The buddying attempt did admittedly work, but now I see the scum motivation.

Scum!TW and Scum!LabRat’s associations / reads/ trajectory’s on eachother are highly suspicious and probable partners.

C’mon this feels just simply bad, either make a full read, or just shut up please cuz you're just embarrassing yourself
You didn’t see the scum conspiracy before, but now you’ve realized it? C’mon this sounds so much like you’re just making all of that up and trying to get it to fit
In post 1374, Keyser Söze wrote:I will expose you tomorrow.

You want to protect your scum partners and misslynch town.
In post 1416, Keyser Söze wrote:Can you see the picture yet Eragon?
Like, do you even hear yourself? You’re speaking so idealistically
You’re so confident in me being scum despite hard-TRing me for more than half of D1
No hesitation, nothing?
You’re speaking as if we’re just confirmed scum in your eyes and all you have to do to lynch us is to “post your beautiful case on us” to get the others to sheep you.
C’mon man, you haven’t even written the actual case yet, yet you already sound like you were forcing yourself to create a scum motivation for me and TW to fit in instead of actually analyzing the posts.

This is so god damn awful
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #179) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:07 pm

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VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum
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Post Post #1475 (isolation #180) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:08 pm

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btw, pageget


lol
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Post Post #1476 (isolation #181) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:18 pm

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the time it took me to re-write the catchup and post it:
3+8=11 hours

I feel sick, never freaking again
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #182) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:21 pm

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@Mod V/La for 3 days due to exams


dunno how much will I need it, but better to be safe than sorry
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #183) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:46 pm

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In post 1478, volxen wrote:
In post 1474, LabRat01 wrote:VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum
No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
I don't have a confident enough TR on you to want to worry about you endgame, so that's prob a no
Can you comment on my read on Keyser?
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #184) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:54 pm

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In post 1480, volxen wrote:
In post 1479, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1478, volxen wrote:
In post 1474, LabRat01 wrote:VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum
No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
I don't have a confident enough TR on you to want to worry about you endgame, so that's prob a no
Can you comment on my read on Keyser?
I was scumreading Keyser on day one, but I think he is town now.
Can. You. Comment. On. The. Stuff. I. Wrote. About. Keyser. A. Few. Posts. Ago?
I don't see how he can flip town here, if you think my read on him is wrong, talk to me about it please.
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #185) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:54 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1521 (isolation #186) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:38 am

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In post 1486, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1440, LabRat01 wrote:Do you remember Keyser writing anything about creature being town other than his early-game meta defense (which got discarded later on because of TW’s meta-case)?
No?
Neither do I tbh

If he really was TRing creature, why didn’t he try to do anything about it before creat got lynched?
Even if his read wasn’t strong, not saying anything feels like a shitty way to save his own ass
You expected me to present a stronger defence on Creature? What a weird perspective.

I believe the strength of my defence of Creature was reflective on the strength of my town read of Creature (neither very strong nor weak):- pointed to previous town meta of Creature
- point to the fact Creature doesn't post anything outright townie as town to Creature
- presented a collection of town meta tells for Creature
- bullied onto Creature wagon after TW's case
- me recommending to Creature to only serious post now as I could see him becoming the #1 lynch candidate in his current playstyle
- I didn't like his wagon development/formation
- I liked Eragon's town case on Creature (but guess who bullied Eragon off it...)
- share a possible perspective of if Creature is scum, but I confirm my resolve: Creature is town.
- I felt like his brother, in the same boat as Creature on D1: miss-read, playstyle misunderstood, and everyone fixed on us two being scum.
- I don't understand the theory that Creature was scum trying to pocket me.
- Still expressing that I like Creature (but wouldn't be shocked if they flipped either alignment).
- was tempted to join Creature in our very own town-block
- Creature was being butchered in the thread and his wagon was fast growing so I thought he needed to get back to thread to defend himself ASAP.
- still hated how me and Creature were the two likely lynches for D1
First off, you’re bending the facts to fit your story.
You said a few times during the game that you “discarded” your meta read on Creature because of TW’s arguments about his scum meta
and right now we were talking about your read on Creature
at the end of hell 1
. So you talking about something you didn’t believe in anymore, may look good on you, but is worthless imo.

And I find it off how you said you presented arguments for “Creat being townie”, when the point of your meta read on him was:
In post 550, Keyser Söze wrote:I would usually s/read other players for being guilty for some of these, but Creature does these as town.

which kinda felt like you were saying that he’s “unreadable”, rather than “townie”.
tbh if that was a TR, it makes the read feel more TMI, but w/e…

I did miss a lot of the later posts, though, so sorry for that. They kind of got lost among all of the other, stronger pushes. :/
The way I remembered the game, except for me, no one seriously tried switching wagons from Creat to anyone else. I kind of expected you to be active about protecting someone you think might be town, especially since I didn’t even remember you saying anything about creat being townie after you discarded your meta read on them, but I guess you do have a point here. Sorry for that
In post 1486, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1440, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 986, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Ausuka

PoE is a good place to vote right now.
And as I said before, I got really bad vibes from the way Keyser changed his votes later on. He ignored all scum-cases made against creature and everything else AI, which happened during the day just for the sake of “lynching for PoE”.
That makes absolutely no sense from town PoV.
I change my vote ALOT, for info, to push the players I'm not town reading and for reaction tests. It's not even alignment indicative.
I did not "ignore" all the scum cases on Creature. I got my eyes tore out and balls ripped off and I sheeped TW's case. However, I felt shit and duly unvoted.
All the other cases/narrow focus on Creature/me was bullshit/very wrong. Only I and Creature could see this though.
Voting through PoE on D1 (with 3 scum versus 6 town) is recommended anyway IMO. If you don't have strong scum reads, subtract the players you have reason not to lynch (I had you, Ausuka and Eragon in my PoE list). Plus, what's to say Ausuka and Eragon weren't scum and my reads were 100% on D1. There was nothing wrong with my late vote on Ausuka and Eragon - both players have only become town reads today.
That’s exactly what I thought was very likely to come from scum. I haven’t played with you before, but I have no doubt that you have way enough experience to know how to make pushes on the players you want to lynch.
It’s obvious that no one will follow you if you just say to “lynch someone for PoE” without any additional information. You doing that instead of pushing a real read, commenting on the situation, or w/e else, made me feel like you didn’t actually care whatever if your push got through or not. And the jokes in the next posts only worsened my feelings towards that.
In post 1486, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1440, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1035, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 990, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Eragon
In post 991, Keyser Söze wrote:There’s gotta be scum in the Watchmen :giggle:

Imagine if it’s The Watchman Wanted vs Mafia :cool:
The next posts, with the vote explained by a joke

His attitude there felt awful to me. It felt as if he didn’t actually care what happens to the wagon on creature or to his new pushes, and was just shitting around, waiting for stuff to happen
This attitude never comes from town imo

Town!he should at least care about what people say about Asuka/eragon/creature. Like, care to progress the game or sth
His votes and the lack of any kind explanation or serious attitude made me feel that he wasn't sincere about trying to distract the lynch from creature and didn't honestly want that to happen
Yes, I was de-motivated and low on WIM. There wasn't much to show about 'how-Ausuka-was-scum' or 'Eragon-was-scum'- as they were PoE. I was being universally scum read. Creature was about to die. Me using humour to try bring some light and joy to my experience this game is not scummy.
That’s actually fair.
In post 1486, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1440, LabRat01 wrote:The votes felt like they were made for the purpose of
a) looking more townie after creature’s lynch
or
b) just for the sake of being off the wagon so that the wagon is smaller and people feel free to place their votes there so that if anything shitty happens later, he’s still able to re-vote and save his own ass

OR W/E, I don’t really care about the reason tbh,
that was a vote that NEVER comes from town imo

That just makes no damn sense
"looking more townie after creature’s lynch" - untrue. Not even Eragon who presented the base town case for town!Creature isn't getting the towncred they deserve today.
I’m not going to use that as an argument, but actually, the fact that you said “he should be getting TRs from TRing creat” already makes it a valid scum motivation.
But that’s more of a fun fact than anything
In post 1486, Keyser Söze wrote:
HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE:

Why couldn't I just be a townie who simply didn't believe Creature was scum and wanted to vote in my D1 PoE? I knew something was up this game, and now I know why... scum were in charge D1 - but a few players have woke up now. You keep presenting this weird tangent universe where I was very sure of my town reads and very sure of my scum reads on D1, which you think I should have pushed hard with. That was obviously not the case. You are miss-repping the intensity of my town and scum reads.
Thus, I find your disbelief and shock to be fake
,
and I believe it is strongly scum-indicative
.


:!:
That’s wrong. I did assume your read on creat was rather weak when analyzing the push.
I did think that being passive, when someone you have a TR on is getting lynched, was scummy, but tbf you were the biggest counterwagon , so I didn’t really put it on par with my other arguments.
Trying to save yourself is more of a scum than town action, but tbh town may to do that as well when stressed, so w/e.

What I SR the most was the lack of effort and the passive attitude towards the push while trying to CFD 1-2 hour before EoD. It felt weird to me that you’d bother trying to change the lynch when you didn’t bother to defend creat against his attackers or explain why is your push a better lynch.
If you didn’t have strong enough reads to either defend creature or push your wagon and there were a lot other players who had much better reads than you, trying to change the wagon, was sth that felt so incredibly detrimental and REALLY unlikely for a townie to do.

I’m still not a great fan of the CFD, but it does make more sense to me rn, so thx.
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Post Post #1522 (isolation #187) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:40 am

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In post 1489, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1478, volxen wrote: No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote:No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote:No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote:No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote:No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.


In post 1158, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: volxen
In post 1347, the worst wrote:VOTE: volxen
Sick as a dog now, I'll be aroundish but kind of feverish and trying to sleep.
In post 1474, LabRat01 wrote:VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum
this is just pure shade
I was the only one who voted after Volx said he doesn’t want to go to heaven and even if I didn’t, you’re strongly TRing Volx, so how does that even matter?
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #188) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:40 am

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In post 1494, Eragon wrote:
In post 1453, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1152, volxen wrote:Meaning I don't think Irrelephant is the sole scum on his wagon.
In post 1152, volxen wrote: I'm not ruling out the possibility of scum!Irrelephant, but if he is scum then there were most likely multiple scum on Creature's wagon.
Can you elaborate on your read on irre?
do you not think irrel is scum?
I asked the question, because I don’t understand the point he was trying to make

And yeah, I do have a SR on him rn. Not anything amazing, but there’ll still be time to polish that imo
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Post Post #1524 (isolation #189) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:41 am

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In post 1496, Eragon wrote:
In post 1464, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1253, Keyser Söze wrote:
Dr J

Keyser

Volxen


Eragon
Ausuka


Irrelephant

TW

LabRat
fixed
WhAt DoEs BlUe MeAn?
Green
- hard town unless I’m terribly wrong with my reads
Blue
- prob town, but not as strong as the green one
Purplish
- at least one of them should be scum. Rn leaning more on Ausuka, but I don’t really have a strong read there
Orange
- Scum lean
Red
- Scum
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Post Post #1525 (isolation #190) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:46 am

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In post 1499, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1496, Eragon wrote:
In post 1464, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1253, Keyser Söze wrote:
Dr J

Keyser

Volxen


Eragon
Ausuka


Irrelephant

TW

LabRat
fixed
WhAt DoEs BlUe MeAn?
Doesn't look like green does it...?
In post 1503, Keyser Söze wrote: ‘But yeah, let’s send him to heaven’


:shifty:

I sense a disturbance in the Force.
In post 1504, Keyser Söze wrote:THAT TRAGI-COMEDIC MOMENT WHEN YOUR FAKE READS CONTRADICT THE SCUM AGENDA

:lol:
In post 1474, LabRat01 wrote:VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum
How about
You check the post you’re talking about
Before thinking up the scum motivation behind it.

You already SR the post before when you placed it along Ts and irre’s votes. Seriously, IF I’m one of your biggest SRs and if you thought the vote was scummy, why haven’t you bothered to even try to understand the reasoning to maybe check if I really haven't written anything scummy in there
Getting SRd for that rn feels like crap
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #191) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:51 am

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In post 1501, Eragon wrote:So @Mr. Rat,

are you townreading TW? if yes, do you completely hold by Tw/KEyser TvS?
and if yes, can you at least summarize parts of your case so i can understand?
im having a lot of doubts there.
I got good feelings from the way he was getting, changing and interacting with his SRs d1, which I raaaarely see coming from scum with this intensity. I explained it p well here, I think:
In post 1442, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1052, Ausuka wrote:wrt/ I haven't exactly read the entire game but just because town emotion seems obvious to you doesn't mean every townie is going to interpret it in the same way - I do think TW is capable of faking emotions as scum and a fluid train of thought, and looking at honestly I don't even see why scum can't fake that.
Yeah, he prob would be able to fake one thing, but I doubt he’d be able to lie about everything he’s done on the thread so far. Besides his early game thoughts about RvS, TW’s thought progression on every player was incredibly clear

I liked the way his reads changed on me early in the game, the flip-flops on creature later on and the way he felt bad after writing his meta-read on Keyser.
Besides, I think the way he flip-flopped on nearly all of his strong reads D1 was really town-indicative.
Would he flip-flop that much as scum?
Would he be able to make all of it look natural?
I mean, there’s a really big chance that scum!TW would have to SR at least one of their teammates during the game
Trying to fake all of that at the same time would have just made him and all of his scummates stressed out and more likely to screw up because of the constant pressure

Like, there’s a lot of town-tells imo and I was expecting that if keyser does tend to read people based on emotions, he should have noticed at least
some
of those in TW’s posts.

Him not even considering anything like that felt like he didn’t really care about it at all and just wanted to have an and easy read on TW

Like, c’mon just look at any of keyser’s reads on TW, there was so much more he could have written and most of the time, despite talking about TW on various subjects and having varying opinions on A LOT of stuff, Keyser ignored that, just to read TW for activity and his “bad” read on me
That’s just not enough
I could quote the posts I was talking about if it’ll help in any way

But tbh I’m prob as confident as I am rn, because I’m mindmelding with him hard this game :/
he’s hard SRing my hard SRs and it really doesn’t feel like they could be faking this together. Too many raw emotions and the progression looks natural

I’m not as confident in Keyser being scum as I was before, but there’s still a lot of things about him I think are more likely to come from scum than town, so tbh unless that changes, I don’t think I’ll be likely to change my opinion on TW
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Post Post #1527 (isolation #192) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:52 am

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and now that I think of it, I am still waiting for that v
In post 1047, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1023, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote: I find the way Keyser pushed TW during the game to be really off. He was perfectly able to TR me based on my emotional postings and he’s absolutely refusing to notice the same thing in TW’s posts, even though there’s way more of it and it’s way more obvious.
I've seen scum-TW express a full array of emotions, so I couldn't hold up your emotional parameters against him and judge you by the same measuring stick.
Could you link me to a scum game like that? And could you comment on the emotional tells I’m TRing TW for? I could quote them for you if you want to
Thx
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Post Post #1528 (isolation #193) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:56 am

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In post 1506, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:the sheeping on volx is indeed concerning
what do you think is concerning about that?
In post 1508, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:(ebwop I kind of understand tws reasoning for voting volx over me)
labrat feels more like a sheep of tw
meh, actually, kinda true
I prob woudn’t have been confident enough to want to send him to heaven just based on my own read
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the fact that he's the more informative lynch still doesn't change though
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Post Post #1529 (isolation #194) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:56 am

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In post 1515, Ausuka wrote:hi, sorry for disappearing for a bit. i've not really been feeling that well.

VOTE: Jekyll

i thought volxen's posts recently were towny and i don't scumread him anymore but he doesn't want heaven and neither does keyser so...

keyser, are you totally sure about this? i don't see anything exactly wrong with following that scumteam for now since the players you scumread are pretty likely to be scum but it's very difficult to nail the exact scumteam right now and I think you should be somewhat open to the possibility that you've gone wrong somewhere in the future; it might not be a good idea to base your decisions on your current theory throughout this entire game.
elaborate on your reads please, why do you think the team is me/irre/TW?
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Post Post #1566 (isolation #195) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:51 am

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I don’t have a lot of time, so just a few quick posts
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Post Post #1568 (isolation #196) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:04 am

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In post 1534, Keyser Söze wrote:Can we please call bullshit on all these TW top town reads...


Why don't Irrelephant and LabRat want to send TW to heaven today?

I don't believe those reads lists one bit. They're just tactically tiered. All bull shit.


I want both my top 2 town reads in heaven today.
I simply don't buy the sincerity of the read.

You do not vote your nullish/blue read to heaven. We send our fucking town reads.

Why is no one else calling out this bullshit?
This is ridiculous, IF you thought that sending unsure town to heaven is such an obviously scummy, anti-town action, then WHY didn’t you say anything when people were discussing that earlier?
In post 734, Eragon wrote:this is what i feel needs to happen for heaven phase

Heaven 1: send the towniest person we can spare(basically mislynch bait)
Hell 1: hopefully scum, but if town its ok
Heaven 2: this is when it gets interesting with this amount of players, ESPECIALLY if we put town into both heaven and hell phase 1.
IF we send another mislynch bait we can spare to heaven, then thats 3 townies down and puts us into judgement day, with the experienced players left and only the inexperienced ones to solve in judgement day, where the thread is closed.
IF we send a super towny experienced player(im not naming any names but Irrelephant for example) they will do better in judgement day, but we will have a mislynch bait player in the thread maybe? but hopefully we feel good enough with it how it is.

IF we lynch town to hell Phase 1, i suggest putting experienced player to heaven
IF we lynch scum to hell Phase 1, i suggest putting towny/spareable player to heaven and continuing from there.
In post 808, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 734, Eragon wrote:this is what i feel needs to happen for heaven phase

Heaven 1: send the towniest person we can spare(basically mislynch bait)
Kind of agree, but don’t go overboard with it
everyone’s got different reads anyway, so honestly, any kind of townie-looking lynch except the super confident/helpful ones will be plenty good
In post 822, LabRat01 wrote:P.Edit
About the heaven lynch, I think I’d be fine with volx after all
That’s not personally my strong SR, but if he really is scum (I'm kind of tempted to believe in the TRs on him, but meh), that’s a very valuable flip to get (even if it’s a heaven lynch imo)
I really doubt that scum would just remain idle if they got such a wonderful opportunity to get rid of one of them to heaven and only 2 people (as far as I remember) seemed to strongly push them being town
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In post 856, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 822, LabRat01 wrote:P.Edit
About the heaven lynch, I think I’d be fine with volx after all
That’s not personally my strong TR, but if he really is scum (I'm kind of tempted to believe in the TRs on him, but meh), that’s a very valuable flip to get (even if it’s a heaven lynch imo)
I really doubt that scum would just remain idle if they got such a wonderful opportunity to get rid of one of them to heaven and only 2 people (as far as I remember) seemed to strongly push them being town
1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum? Do you think using heaven lynches to sort is a good strategy in this setup?
No, I don’t think volx is likely to flip scum rn. His later posts were better and he’s strongly TR by my strong TR, which kinda makes me less confident in my previous read. He’s still a person I’m struggling to get a read on, but I feel that I should sort him as soon as possible, because he gives a lot of spicy interactions

Yeah, I do think sending not-obv town to heaven it is a valid strategy. A bit more in a 15p than in a 9p, but still it makes a lot more sense to do that than to simply send the most townie player there
You’d be basically wasting a cop check and a full day of discussion
In post 1474, LabRat01 wrote:VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum
In post 861, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 856, Irrelephant11 wrote:1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum?
tbh, if Volxen did flip scum in heaven I would look at you (you are a type of scum-player to white-knight his scum teammates to high heaven and not bus) :cool:
You even answered the read and I scum-read you for it later, so don’t tell me you just forgot about that now

Why didn’t you even mention anything about it being scummy back then if you’re so confident in it being “bulshit” rn?
And how is me wanting to lynch for PoE to heaven more scummy than you wanting to PoE a shitter to hell?
Don’t push me for something you didn’t even bother to analyze. You’re treating me as if I were confirmed scum and as if you “don’t even need to think if the stuff doing is scummy” which is just wrong

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YES, I do think that lynching “uncertain town” to heaven is a good idea
If you just get rid of all of your strongest TRs, you’ll end up being completely screwed and surrounded by nulls late-game. That’s how it works in normal games, but it makes no god damn sense to aim for that in here, that'll just kill the discussion and harm you in the future
If there’s scum in the strong-ish TRs, they will most likely screw up your reads and whatever interaction analysis you want to make during the game
and if they’re town, they’ll just make you paranoid if they’re left alive till late-game
so while it’s risky, it should be often more beneficial than harmful

The whole point of lynching during the heaven phase is to get rid of town in a way that would help you sort people later. Being afraid of sending scum to haven is good, but it will only harm your reads in the long run.
IF you screw up and place scum among your heaven-lynch-TRs, you’ll have to play it safe and lynch solely based on the confident TRs later, but tbh IF you have scum among the super confident reads and the less confident ones at the same time, it would mean that the town is p much screwed anyways, regardless of how you play.

I do want to lynch volxen to heaven now. He’s someone I think is more likely to flip town than scum, but I’m not confident enough in the read to want him the be here in late-game.
Besides, there were a lot of people who TR him and some who TRd him very strongly since day-start, which was honestly kind of weirding me out. With support like that, if he’s scum, it’s really unlikely that he’ll ever get lynched to hell imo, which might heavily screw with the interaction reads, especially of those players who are TRing him so strongly.
And I really doubt that if he’s scum, the only ones who are TRing him so strongly are the mafia

That’s not as perfect as I would like, but it’s still a lot more helpful than just getting rid of someone I’m absolutely confident that will flip town imo.
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Post Post #1570 (isolation #197) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:09 am

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In post 1499, Keyser Söze wrote: Please humour me. Why shouldn't we send TW to heaven today?
He's town right? You and Irrelephant should be trying to make us vote for him and not Volxen :?: you don't even trust Volxen in an end game situation. Why would you vote him over your top town reads?
I don’t want TW in heaven. I have a decent individual read on him rn and my biggest SR flipping scum would make him close to confirmed town. Besides that, he was solving d1 and I kind of want him to be there d2. I have my leans, but I don’t feel confident enough in them to perfectly lynch after that.
You didn’t need me to answer that, you could have figured it out on your own IF you thought about it for a second. You’re just pushing me blindly, without even considering whatever if it’s really scummy or not. Just stop
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Post Post #1574 (isolation #198) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:27 am

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In post 1536, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:To support what you just said, tw himself said one reason he's voting volxen is because he thinks I'll lynch correctly later over volxen. :Thinking:

I'm more and more inclined to think I'm wrong on tw and labrat. Particularly labrat.
Ugh, elaborate please
If you think I’m gonna flip scum, talk to me about it, so that I can answer your suspicions
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Post Post #1576 (isolation #199) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:01 am

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In post 1573, Keyser Söze wrote:
labrat01 wrote:This is ridiculous, IF you thought that sending unsure town to heaven is such an obviously scummy, anti-town action, then WHY didn’t you say anything when people were discussing that earlier?
I have been talking about it constantly.
I don't remember you saying anything about that before SRing me for it at all
Your only response (I remember rn) to me saying that I want to PoE lynch is that you'd SR irre for Volx's scum flip, which tbh kinda felt to me as an agreement
if there's anything else you wrote about it being a bad idea, can you quote it please?
In post 1573, Keyser Söze wrote: I don't think Volxen is "unsure" town. He is a top tier town read for me.
It is you/Irrellephant/TW's read of Volxen that is
not compatible of how/when/why I would expect a townie to vote someone to heaven
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and I don't care what's your read on volx. It could be a strong TR to you, but it's not to me. He has a lot of good content, but also makes a lot of empty, safe, townie-looking posts, which kind of ping me when I see it. I do think that there's more town-indicative stuff he's done, but it's not sth that I'd be confident in reading.
If you're confident in reading him, congrats! good for you
If so and if (besides volx's request not to lynch him) you don't care who you lynch among the TRs, then you shouldn’t have anything against vote him with to help me with that later, even if you think my vote is scummy

Is it ok with you?
In post 1573, Keyser Söze wrote: It is you/Irrellephant/TW's read of Volxen that is
not compatible of how/when/why I would expect a townie to vote someone to heaven
.

If you town read someone highly you present to us why they are town and why they should be sent to heaven.

That is not what I have seen from you/TW/Irrellephant in regard your reads for eachtother and Volxen. Your reads and votes have frankly been very suspect.

None of your votes co-relate to your reads.
You're generalizing my pushes. I explained my last vote several times and the previous votes were nearly always where I wanted it to be
Maybe with the exception when I didn't vote at all, because I didn't have time to get solid reads, but the rest should be good

If there are any reads you think I should elaborate on, then ask me. I don’t always explain my reads and usually don’t bother with writing anything about the ones I’m struggling on because I don’t usually get anything out of it and it takes me a lot of time to do it. It is not scum indicative

What vote do you think doesn't correlate with my reads?
And I'm assuming you still don't like my vote on volx because you seem to be writing that after reading my post about it
If so, can you comment on it? Why do you think it's wrong?
In post 1573, Keyser Söze wrote:Irrelephant's recent vote for you is the icing on the cake.
and yeah, tbh the vote left me frozen for a while
still want him to elaborate on me, but you already asked for it, so w/e
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