micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[northsidegal]

mini 2042 day one :thonking:

is that the PM i sent.............oopts

VOTE: dva

HEAL: nsg

[northsidegal]

HEAL: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

the way that gamma emerald entered the game feels town to me. dont think that he, as wolf, enters the game expressing his relief at having rolled town

skitter30 is also possibly town as well for inquiring about yurikojasmine's potential language barrier as opposed to using it as an excuse to push her

i think dvas entrance was somewhat awkward but im still open to it being awkward-awkward as opposed to wolf-awkward

i could agree with you about gamma, but i think that's a pretty weak reason to townread skitter.

hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

meh, i always dislike these sorts of questions but i'm not sure if experience shows them to actually be scum-indicative or not.

VOTE: tesxx

[northsidegal]

Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

is your read on skitter contingent on how she answers that question?

[northsidegal]

you dislike that question on page 1 to someone who has made no reads?

i dislike most times people ask other people the vague "what are your reads", in large part because as personally as scum before i've done basically just that and just talked to people and it seems to get one townread for no real effort or solving. i also think that leaving people to give their own reads unprompted is far, far more revealing of their alignment than prompting them to do something.

i have an inkling of who you are so i expect that we'll have philosophical differences on these sorts of things. let's not turn it into some huge debate, shall we?

im not entirely understanding where your coming from on skitter, its not a confirmed villa but it's towny enough for page one. do you think that skitter is a wolf?

no, i obviously don't think skitter is scum. "towny enough for page one" doesn't really mean a lot to me, i was just disagreeing with your reasoning. do you have some sort of problem with that?

[northsidegal]

{nsg}
{GE, TDW}
{Raya, Musicjax, skitter}
{TesXX, Yuriko, DVa}

[northsidegal]

i don't play on MU. perhaps i might've been confusing you for someone else, then.

[northsidegal]

because i agree with his reasoning? obviously not as strongly as he does given that i haven't healed you while he has, but given your seeming enthusiasm i would agree that it's more likely to come from town than scum.

that's something of a strange question to parse, really. do you expect me to have the same opinion as skitter or something?

[northsidegal]

i mean, there's really not much to elaborate

on

as of now and i would prefer to let people play without the influence of whatever i have to say

saying anything about my scumreads now is neither convincing enough to get them lynched nor reliable enough for me to want to lynch them nor do i believe it is helpful in my ability to read them better later (the opposite of that, in fact)

so i guess for now i'll just shrug and say "gut"

[northsidegal]

i just might be!

[northsidegal]

Yo

any thoughts on the setup, musicjax?

This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)

why?

what made that worth pointing out as it relates to post 18?

[northsidegal]

because i agree with his reasoning? obviously not as strongly as he does given that i haven't healed you while he has, but given your seeming enthusiasm i would agree that it's more likely to come from town than scum.

that's something of a strange question to parse, really. do you expect me to have the same opinion as skitter or something?

I expect your opinion to be similar. You and skitter both had the info TDW didn’t

i don't see how that info is meant to negate what he said. if anything, in my mind it supports the conclusion - it would make sense to me that you wouldn't want to have to repeat that same experience (although in some sense i suppose you could want to use what you learned from that game to win this one - i find that unlikely, though. it wasn't like the concept of "be active and get townread" wasn't known to you playing the last time)

[northsidegal]

This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.

skeptical about what, exactly?

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

[northsidegal]

Skeptical of a gamma/wanderer team

can you explain agreeing that his argument for gamma being town is a "good point" and also thinking that it makes them both more likely to be scum? that seems pretty contradictory to me.

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

Nah

would you say that you're playing as you normally do as town?

also, you missed this:

This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)

why?

what made that worth pointing out as it relates to post 18?

[northsidegal]

HEAL: gamma emerald

[northsidegal]

i thought it was low-key townie from what i remember of him

could you talk about your experience here and why you think this?

[northsidegal]

[northsidegal]

just going off of gut i like raya's entrance.

i disagree with a lot of yuriko's 95 but i do think it comes from town more often than scum.

[northsidegal]

i will say that i don't townread Dva yet (in a way that's more of "hmm i feel like i should be townreading this person if they're town so that might tell me something") and her healing probs a robot does nothing to make me feel better about that slot

[northsidegal]

eddie cane?
I like this alt btw

what makes you think that our friend the robot (probably) is mr edward canery?

this is not game related, just wondering. haven't seen eddie cane in a while

[northsidegal]

HEAL: probs a robot

Invis was a little less active than I've seen him on what I think was one of his other alts, but he still seemed townie overall, and robot is... yeah

like this kind of post is

really

similar to one that MME made in the last coalition setup that i talked about in the mod thread of that game

perhaps it's a little basic / level-0 thinking to say this and it's not actually the sort of thing that's reliably partner-indicative, but that's the instinctual feeling i get looking at it

[northsidegal]

I am indeed a robot. Probably.

Out of interest, which parts of 95 do you see as coming from town more than scum?
I like the fact that she made the post at all for town-indicative, but I am struggling with the content.

According to my data, Mr. Canery does not play on MafiaScum anymore.

there's nothing special to the read, really. i guess i just feel like she went through reads in a kind of natural way. i guess the rest of her iso also points to town for me:
126 talking about a scumread disappearing i like, i feel like it shows an actual weight put into her scumread on me - it's something that she actually cares about. scum in that position might just choose to aimlessly talk to other people but saying that i disappeared to me shows that it's something she actually believes. (the alternative interpretation is that it's just shading me for lurking, but that would be more of a specific meta-related thing as it relates to me. scum might do that if they were familiar with me but i don't think she is)

133 is a totally fair response, as well.

[northsidegal]

i wonder, do robots dream of fluffy electric sheep?

what do you think?

[northsidegal]

I'm just going to start my coalition with the people who i feel like will most likely not be leaving it.
HEAL: Yuriko
HEAL: Raya

i currently don't really think that TDW is scum but i do think that he has a pretty high potential to be basically the Wisdom of the first coalition game, someone who's just really active since the start of the game, gets entrenched in everyone's coalition and then never leaves.

also, this is kind of just a general statement i want to make but also kind of responds to some things that yuriko said about me: i tend to ask a lot of questions without revealing the intent behind those questions. after all, wouldn't that defeat the point? i can totally understand people looking at them and thinking that they're empty, i'm guilty of the same thing for other people really, but if you think they have no intent behind them then i would ask that you just ask me what i was trying to get at with them. the second part of what i wanted to say was that there are a few things that i'm waiting to say for ~reasons~. it seems like more than other people i tend to think that there's information to be gained by waiting.

Robots regularly dream of fluffy animals. Contrary to popular belief, we are friends!

interesting!

[northsidegal]

Raya is a good heal. I need to dwell on Yuriko a bit more.

How do you feel about Gamma Emerald?

i don't feel

bad

about him so far

also, this slipped my mind:
UNVOTE:

[northsidegal]

perhaps it's a little basic / level-0 thinking to say this and it's not actually the sort of thing that's reliably partner-indicative, but that's the instinctual feeling i get looking at it

tbh the way I present my townreads bothers a lot of people, I don't like to overexplain them, often overemphasize them, and sometimes, every now and then, I'm even wrong

but robot does seem pretty townie here so far and I kinda don't get the sense you are scumreading robot so...?

what i'm about to say might sound vaguely offensive but i don't intend any by it at all

i think that objectively it's too early to townread robot right now and i think that if you

do

townread him then your standards for a townread would be so low as to be townreading almost all of the playerlist or your standards would be so low that you would be pockted by scum in nearly every game you play (which i don't think is the case for you as town, hence my suspicion)

here you also seem to indicate that most of the reason for your heal on the slot comes from robot, but in 141 when you healed him it seems like you were going more off of invisibility / musicjax. which is it?

[northsidegal]

I am not sure if this feeling of discomfort is consistent with watching two members of the mafia interact with one another.
However, I can't currently townread either skitter, or DVa

these are my thoughts exactly

[northsidegal]

HURT: everyone
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer
HEAL: Northsidegal
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: YurikoJasmine
HEAL: TesXX

i still think DVa is scum and specifically think her best partner choices are probs a robot or gamma but im willing to sacrifice skitter from my townpool given that there is now several people concerned with my townread there.
everyone on this list has at least one strong reason for me to read them town and in terms of thinking through who i would be wrong on i cant really think of anyone. maybe yuriko i guess.

i agree almost exactly with this coalition, my literal only concern would be that you're deepwolfing us all

[northsidegal]

I would support it, patching in Gamma Emerald instead of TDW and pending further interactions with TesXX in particular.

you would support it?

that raises an interesting question that i'd like to put out to everyone: who would be willing to support a coalition that didn't contain themselves in it?

[northsidegal]

if not completely unavoidable I would not support a coalition that didn't contain me in it because of two reasons
1) having at least one specific town guaranteed to be outside of the coalition drastically ups the odds that it contains scum and
and 2) if the coalition is wrong me being in it means that i have 4 slots of the townblock to sift through as opposed to 5.

i am surprised that of all the people in this game i am the one being floated as a deep wolf.

it's moreso that i'm just saying that if you

are

scum more than anyone else we'd be screwed right now.

@northsidegal, do you see what I see with town!DVa? I am seriously reconsidering my current read on her.

not really right now, although i might get back to you sometime tomorrow when i'm a bit more conscious and can read closer.

[northsidegal]

Town who understood they probably wouldn’t be in the true coalition but support the proposed one?
Scum who has a buddy in it?
I can think of a couple reasons, why can’t you think of one?

it wasn't a "who would do this" in the sense of disbelief, it was a literal question of which people

[northsidegal]

hi! sorry, will catchup as soon as i can.

[northsidegal]

hi, i am being incredibly disappointing in a game that was essentially my own before schadd offered to mod it. this is as distressing to me as i'm certain it is frustrating for all of you.

[northsidegal]

if anyone's online i would appreciate it a lot if they could just talk to me about things while i try to read up.

[northsidegal]

doing some self-reflecting, i feel like i might be hesitant to townread robot and TDW both just because of their playstyles and my unfamiliarity with them when in the last game people might have said the same thing about no-lunch. just one example of someone playing like that and being town obviously doesn't mean that robot is more likely to be town this game obviously, but it could say something about just going off of occam's razor.

[northsidegal]

TDW, looking at your coalition on this page i don't like that raya isn't in it, i don't agree with skitter being in it and i wonder how your read on DVa changed so much that she's in your coalition right now.

[northsidegal]

I am present!

hello! i don't feel feel like asking you generic questions would be all that useful. any questions for me / things you want me to pay attention to as i'm reading through?

[northsidegal]

Approaching this game with an unusual posting style and gimmick means I'm unlikely to be townread.
Call it challenge mode if you will - I am supportive of a coalition which I'm not in. Because I understand there will be unconscious reservations in reading me as confidently as others.

wait, i actually agree entirely with what skitter said about this post. i feel like i've seen it before where scum dropped some kind of posting gimmick like that - i feel like in this situation, if you had rolled scum you might not have even entered the way you did or may not have kept it up. that read somewhat relies on your scumbuddy not already being widely townread, but it's still a point towards you being town.

Would you please be able to sort DVa and Gamma for me?
I want to townread both of them, but continually give myself pause.

i still don't really townread Dva. gamma is still not at the point where i'd heal him.

i think i'll try and focus a bit more closely on dva.

[northsidegal]

What is irritating me about TDW is that I feel as though his reads are being 'dropped from a great height'.
He is reaching fairly substantial conclusions, but I feel that his reasoning is lacking. I also rarely feel that he is reading people for alignment indicative reasons. Posts such as this:

yeah people say this about MU-type players a

lot

so i think it's probably best to temper your expectations (so to speak) with that in mind

[northsidegal]

my desire to start townreading robot is matched only by my desire to not prove correct the people who say i get pocketed by real time talking about reads

[northsidegal]

although to be fair i agree a lot with his reads in 382 whereas TDW's read changes i disagree with, so it's not entirely unfounded.

[northsidegal]

i think i just might start townreading robot and if i'm wrong this game then that can just be my fatal flaw. i think i would be relatively okay with that.

HURT: gamma
HURT: yuriko
HEAL: robot

[northsidegal]

Is Yuriko beginning to concern you for the same reason they are beginning to concern me?

it was more of a "getting rid of perhaps an outdated read" hurt. just as you said this actually i read this post from yuriko, which i think is pretty towny:

just caught up. call it confirmation bias as much as you like, but I still get scumreads from NSG and robot. (Nothing I saw changed my mind over these two and I don't get strong reads from the others)
I'll read everything again hopefully soon with a more refreshed mind.

i don't think scum in her position has much to gain from attacking me - it would make more sense for her to just make herself more towny and stay in the majority coalition.

that being said, i am making the same mistake that i so often pointed out as a mod in the last game, where i assume that what scum

should

be doing and what they

are

doing matches up exactly. in this instances it's more of a content-based example of that rather than last game's activity based theorizing, although i'm not sure how much of a difference there is.

[northsidegal]

tdw's 430 is correct in the theory that it's better for scum to only have one member in the coalition as opposed to both, but it also makes the same assumption that what is optimal for scum is necessarily what they're doing, and actions that would be beneficial

as

scum are coming

from

scum.

that's not meant to be some sort of comprehensive rebuttal or anything, just my own observations.

[northsidegal]

man i really wish i wasn't scumreading skitter this game

[northsidegal]

@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.

sorry. i don't feel really good about about playing mafia recently for reasons, but i'll try. cool that you've heard that though.

[northsidegal]

greetings.

tdw if you want us to work together on finishing this game before december then we need to come to terms on a few reads that you have that i just don't really agree with, mainly skitter and dva being part of your coalition.

[northsidegal]

UNVOTE:
HEAL: DVa

I am a clumsy robot.

what is this progression?

[northsidegal]

er, the second quote didn't appear, but was voting dva a mistake when you meant to heal her, or...? from what you said before it seemed like you were having trouble reading her. did something clear up for you?

[northsidegal]

probably not. i've read in the past a scumthread where the advice given to pocket me was to just talk reads with me, so if anything i tend to avoid townreading people off of that kind of real time interaction.

maybe you could describe why you're playing your towngame this game over your scumgame?

[northsidegal]

because from what i've read you seem like you sort of start games swinging when it comes to reads, so even if you say that you were spending a lot of time in witches' ball, to see what looks to me like you being a bit more passive in terms of coming up with reads this game sort of points towards you being scum.

[northsidegal]

what do you think of not_mafia / tesxx?

[northsidegal]

@nsg can you talk to me about why you're scumreading me?

i guess i'm just "not townreading you" and towards the start of the game i felt like you were playing differently than you were in the previous coalition game and given that i haven't seen anything that really said "huh, this must be town!skitter here" i'm sort of inclined to just follow my initial instinct rather than just resetting given time arbitrarily

not much of a specific answer i suppose, which i guess might not be very helpful. i will say that it seems like we have very similar reads, but that's true of a lot of people and it makes me wary to townread someone (or at least, multiple people) just based off of that.

basically, the most likely way that i envision the coalition failing this game is through agreeing with someone entirely on reads while that person is scum. given that, i really want to have a maximum of one person like that in my coalition, and for me it seems right now like that's realistically only going to be TDW or robot.

[northsidegal]

Why would you say this is your town game rather than your scum game?

i had just started thinking about that after asking you, actually! i'm not sure how much i can actually say this game is

really

distinct, but i think i've probably displayed a lot more depth of thought than in any scumgame i've played before, where i was probably mostly just making things up and espousing random theories. i can say that if i had rolled scum this game, as a strategy i probably would've gone for a lot more mindless posting and chatting just to try to inflate my postcount and get townread just through presence in the thread rather than through having good thoughts

[northsidegal]

@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.

reflecting on it a bit more, i think this post makes TDW town.

[northsidegal]

and also should it concern me (any of us?) that we seem to have had more activity in the past few minutes right after i post than we did in the entire previous day?

[northsidegal]

ah, i think it's actually messing me up being so widely townread or something. do scum have some kind of specific incentive to try to pocket me or to get in my good graces because i'm almost certainly going to be in the coalition? is that something i should really be paranoid about? because if not then i think i actually feel kinda of strongly that 517 makes tdw town.

[northsidegal]

i'm starting to get so concerned right now that scum are trying to get townread by me specifically and i don't know if that's something i should be concerned about or not

listing the reasons why 517 make tdw town to myself makes me realize that they could all

really easily

come from scum who just wanted to get me to townread them, but is that something that scum need to do?
does this sudden activity right after my post have anything to do with it?
normally i try to keep my reads mostly detached from myself (like i told dva) but it's starting to mess me up

i've never rolled IC and never understood people who say that they don't like the role, but i think i understand them a bit more now.

[northsidegal]

well I asked if you wanted to talk NSG, lol, I kinda have been leaning town but you've been the person I've been most wondering if I should lock down as part of my coalition, but you haven't really been here. I think this is the first time in several days we've really been online at the same time?

what do you want to discuss?

[northsidegal]

{robot}
{NSG, TDW}
{Raya}

I believe that each of the above is aligned with the town.

if tdw can come to townread you then i think i would be fine with this coalition (plus one more person obviously)

[northsidegal]

@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.

why is this townie to you?

like i said, listing out the reasons makes it obvious that it could easily come from scum who want to pocket me, but here they are:

1) tdw knows something about my that i don't think i've ever said publicly
2) he felt the need to say this
3) he asked me specifically to stop lurking and do something to help solve the game

the naive approach is to think "why would scum care about getting me to play the game? it's better for them the more i lurk and ignore this game, so it seems like TDW must be someone who knows me, who believes in my ability and who actually wants my help in solving the game."

[northsidegal]

why I should heal you

to make me the chara of this game (aka the most healed player) and help fuel my ego as to how oh so obvtown i am of course?

in all seriousness, i'm not very concerned if you heal me or not (rude as that may sound i mean no offense)

But if you just refuse to be in my coalition I'm at a loss of what to do now

well, wouldn't you say that me refusing to heal you and me "refusing to be in your coalition" are two different things? after all, i don't necessarily have to heal you for you to heal me.

i would ask why i'm some kind of arbiter of what you're doing and why me not townreading you leaves you at a loss of what to do when there are plenty of other people in the game, and i would say that if you're looking for something to do it would be to try to sort the other players in the game and talk more about them

[northsidegal]

i mean when i read it i thought it was nai, maybe a little buddying-y but he'd been townreading you the whole time so it felt kinda in-line with how he'd been approaching you the whole game

i suppose. what i'm saying is based off of just how i would play things as scum, which is that if everyone were being inactive i would likely not be one to prod people back to activity. there is still the point of him saying information which i don't actually know how many people know

[northsidegal]

TDW let's say that we take out robot, DVA and maaybe take out skitter. who do you add (you can add skitter back if you really convince me)?

[northsidegal]

well i've never pocketed someone by calling them scum nearly all game, so i don't think you'll have too much to worry about

[northsidegal]

i thought the december thing was a meme that i didn't know about

it's true.

[northsidegal]

i think you underestimate your 'pull' if it surprises you that you being active made everyone start posting, northsidegal.

i suppose so. it's just a strange thing to think about when i feel so unbelievably washed up (especially recently)

[northsidegal]

TDW if you can convince me that skitter is town then i would go with a {nsg, raya, tdw, skitter, someone} coalition

obviously having a good agreement on who that someone should be would also help

[northsidegal]

rather than talk more about what I do like in skitter30's iso, can you explain what you don't like about it? how is her town game supposed to be different, what fits her scum game?

i don't know if i have a good enough grasp to even say something very definitively myself (which in and of itself is a reason for me to be hesitant to townread her)

but i've also talked about it a bit in 537

[northsidegal]

tfw people think you have a competent scumgame

i can imagine it gets frustrating.

[northsidegal]

[northsidegal]

well, a lot of the conversation happened yesterday, really.

[northsidegal]

meh. i suppose i'm townreading skitter more than yuriko now.

TDW, i think it's a mistake for you to not be townreading raya. yeah she isn't really around now but i think she was pretty obvious town while she was here - i think scum!raya is pretty distinct, especially in her activity and in that regard i feel like she was town

[northsidegal]

{nsg}
{raya, tdw}
{skitter}
{robot, tesXX, yuriko}
{GE} <- i don't really entirely know what to think of gamma but i feel like placing him here because -shrug-
{DVa}

[northsidegal]

probably doesn't actually mean much but i actually think NM's play so far has been scum indicative

so i guess if i were to make that list again i'd put the tesXX slot one spot further down

[northsidegal]

TDW is the most-widely healed player (at least, going off of the most recent votecount), but it really doesn't feel that way. does anyone else get that feeling? i'm not sure how well i could describe it.

literally no active slot in the game besides me did not have him in their coalition (again, going off of the last votecount).

i mean, i don't really have any conclusion here, but this is still something i feel is worth bringing up anyways.

[northsidegal]

@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.

why is this townie to you?

i mean when i read it i thought it was nai, maybe a little buddying-y but he'd been townreading you the whole time so it felt kinda in-line with how he'd been approaching you the whole game

skitter, why did you ask me this question and say this? you already had TDW in your coalition, so i don't understand the mindset behind these posts - and if you just wanted to hear my reasoning for the post being towny, why?

[northsidegal]

i believe theoretically the correct course is to lynch from within the coalition given a coalition failure although

[northsidegal]

me neither

i think i was going to follow that thought with some other statement but i just ended up not doing that.

[northsidegal]

the game would be radically different if day 1 ended upon the coalition vote and i'm pretty sure schadd hasn't changed it like that - as far as i remember the only change he made was that lynches can't be hammered before a coalition is met

[northsidegal]

okay i so i think the not mafia slot actually has really decent scum equity so i'm going to try some partner hunting, perhaps specifically on the slots that i'm least sure about (dva, robot mainly)

i will say just from memory that it makes skitter look worse in my mind given her initial response to tes' posting which got him scumread by myself and TDW

[northsidegal]

i mean perhaps it's just different times producing different results but NM was in the first coalition game that ran and he was pretty enthusiastic about his "broalition" there (even ending up in the consensus coalition, if you all can believe that)

so yeah. even if he does end up being town i would still say it'd be the correct move to have excluded him

[northsidegal]

oh, i know who probs a robot is i think. okay, i think he's almost certainly town here.

[northsidegal]

haha, ellibereth was right.

[northsidegal]

@skitter i'm gonna have to bug you again sorry
you mentioned you saw some townlike/what-tes-does-as-town-like stuff from tes early on. could you point me to it?

I am now exactly 47% more interested in this than I was before!

i don't have much motivation/energy for mafia today, so i'm going to hold off going through that wall bit-by-bit till probably sunday

but basically i remember him in that game being try-hard; efforting; lynch-bait-y and not realizing he came off as being lynch-baity; kinda tone-deaf to that sort of thing if that makes sense; i remember a couple of people saying they would want to push him if he weren't effectively conftown; i may have even said that, i don't remember

his early walls (like 48, 52) here kinda gave off that same try-hard-lynch-bait-y feel to me, if that makes sense
like it looks/feels kinda surface-level scummy by asking kinda pointless questions and being overly try-hard by commenting on like every other post, if that makes sense
but that's kinda how i remember him from that newbie

i didn't really have a problem with his entrance, and i don't think flaking is particularly ai either tbh

like the walls feel more like 'newb tryhard that wants to contribute' than 'asking pointless questions to fill up space' to me if that makes sense

i also feel like it's a fine read for page3 or whatever it was, not nearly as good for page35

despite thinking that the way that skitter reacted to tes' early posting is partner indicative, the fact that she still maintains that it's valid to me makes it seem like it's more likely to be something she actually believes, especially given that she's saying that while still scumreading NM (and being cognizant of that). i would at least imagine that scum!skitter, if switching to a scumread on NM, would be more likely to say something like "oh looking back it's not really much to go off of" or something like that.

perhaps i'm understimating skitter's ability or something like that, but maintaining that your reasons to townread a predecessor while simultaneously townreading the person who replaced them seems like the kind of odditiy that you don't see often that just comes from town who actually have that belief rather than scum just making things up.

[northsidegal]

I was feverposting during the skitter meta discussion, some of the language I used was tantamount to a private alt slip. I was considering outing on the alt just so it was a more even playing field but uh yeah..

haha, i really did think that one thing you said was kind of unique and just decided to try being ellibereth for a second

i figured it out after a single search

i had no clue at all before that, though!

[northsidegal]

i wonder why it seems so hard to get replacements for this game.

[northsidegal]

TDW is pretty hard tunnelled on me
I think I'm loosely out of my ms scum style but probably within my broader scumrange ao I expect his mu meta dive on me will probably make him more adamant to not coalition me

I'm kinda fine w approving one w/o me tho

tdw might change his mind given information that you are not, in fact, radiantcowbells.

@mod, prod tdw?

[northsidegal]

HEAL: Gamma Emerald

[northsidegal]

actually wait i think i'm just going to wait until irrelephant solidifies his reads and then maybe go with skitter's current coalition

HURT: gamma

still think gamma is more likely town than not but in terms of the data i'm looking at he's not as locktown as i would prefer and so i might just BoP irrel on skitter while already townreading everyone else in the coalition

[northsidegal]

NSG NSG help

is this a last minute powerwolf from rel?
is this a last minute powerwolf from DVa?
are we being deepwolved?
or are all of us town and the team is indeedy nm/yuriko?

doubt it
could be, but she's not in her own coalition, so it's only really a problem if gamma is also scum
maybe??
also maybe

[northsidegal]

oh nevermind ignore me

part of me wonders if I should float a coalition without NSG but I don't think commanding this kind of

presence

as a wolf is within her range

yeah i guess i've been kind of lazy recently... not entirely sure what i'm waiting for.

[northsidegal]

i think i'm just going to go with this one

HEAL: TDW
HEAL: skitter

[northsidegal]

it's the same as skitter's

DVa isn't in it

[northsidegal]

mine is {NSG, Irrel, TW, TDW, skitter}

we kinda have two options
skitter's coalition is pretty much like, the people we should be townreading from a technical point of view I guess?? but also has very high deepwolf equity

DVa's coalition has the {NSG, TDW, tw} core which imo never contains a wolf. and if it fails we mechanically have to consider a dichotomy of {DVa, Gamma} which is probably something we're already forcing too much today?

I'd also like to see tdw explain how he thinks I'm a wolf if it does fail.

i mean if we take it that the coalition is definitely going to fail i would be more comfortable with it failing on this one than on the one i currently have because like... what if the coalition fails and skitter isn't scum

but i think would rather go for the play which i think is more likely to actually succeed rather than trying to mitigate the failure. playing to win versus playing to not lose, and all that.

[northsidegal]

meh. like everyone has already said i think NM/Yuriko is a decently likely possibility but i think both dva and gamma individually could also be scum. NM i have reasons specifically to scumread, but as i've said a lot of times (and as seems to frustrate Dva, so sorry), i just don't really townread either of those two (DVa and Gamma, that is).

[northsidegal]

if we never get to the next pagetop... we can never lose.

group pact?

[northsidegal]

guys stop!!!

[northsidegal]

i had nibbui as who he actually is before he actually even made any posts in-game

[northsidegal]

sorry that i keep talking about not the actual game but you have no idea how much it flatters me to see someone who read my past games and took inspiration from them

[northsidegal]

yay we won and i had okay reads!!!

[northsidegal]

scahhd you can release my pt

[northsidegal]

meh i feel like we didn't get the real post game commentary that this game deserves so:

to all the townies:
great job to TDW for being really clearly town from the beginning and for being a big force in driving the game forward and keeping activity up, and especially for reaching out to me
great job to irrelephant for being a hero replacement, keeping raya's slot towny and for helping me finally overcome my fears on skitter
great job to the worst for just putting 110% in as probs a robot and not taking the easy way out of deliberately revealing who you were just to be townread – you did an absolute ton of gamesolving / sorting this game
same thing to nibbui with being a hero replacement and (in my view) towning up an otherwise scummy slot – if the game had for some reason continued then it would've been really valuable to see that the yuriko slot wasn't actually scum. also the fact that you voted for the majority winning coalition without even being a part of it is a really big move
sorry to gamma that i couldn't end up coming to townread you as the game went on but early on i did think that there were noticeable differences between the last coalition and this one, hope you had a bit more fun this time as town
great job to skitter for basically having the game solved for a long time and for being the first one to have what would come to be the winning coalition

to dva, i respect a lot how you were still making pushes to win all the way until the end and if you read my pt you'll see that you really were starting to chip away at me. i think in a playerlist that's even a little bit less familiar with each other or with different replacements you could have won this game easily – you saw how much my and everyone else's reads shifted when robot became the worst. in a playerlist with just a few more "robots", i think you're in the coalition 100% of the time



anyways, great game all! thanks for giving me the chance to play in a game that i would normally just be modding! (goes to you too schadd!)