Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Elsa Jay]

snip.

/tinfoilhaton
If town is literally the only faction who doesn't have flavor, then I think it almost assuredly makes Chikadee a strong town lean, and I would almost guess that Elsa Jay actually is town aligned and been lying to keep themselves alive by claiming a positive utility that no one would want lynched but near impossible to kill.
/tinfoilhatoff

Shhhhh...

[Elsa Jay]

Back to the leash thing, huh?

This is like the third time this option is brought up. What happened to "just cuz we confirmed her modifier doesn't make her town" argument that people used to not townread her day 1?

I even brought up the 9-10 town theory, but nobody listens to the Survivor...

I feel underappreciated.

[Elsa Jay]

Well, as you've noticed, I did heal one of the benefactors who want me to live.

Clearly the town Doctor should heal anyone who wants me dead. Toog, for instance.

No cross heal if we set the boundary.

[Elsa Jay]

Is it really a wagon yet if it's only a single vote?

Also, still would like someone like Thor or Drixx to appear. Their insight on this will be nice. Also bearing from Jaber before we start a wagon is good too.

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa can you heal the same person twice?

It doesn't say I CAN'T so that, so I assume yes.

The only people immune to it are the ascetics, which there MAY be one more if the LR exists.

They may also be very important and don't want to die yet, so until then I'm not PR hunting.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm not liking anyone saying to look at the Porkens lynch as a "town lynch".

It was anything but and we all know it. Even a glance at their ISO gave everyone a reason to kill them as town and scum on other team.

I dont think the Porkens lynch is AI for finding their partners, personally. Scum jumping on the wagon, sure, but definitely not any HoB members bussing a "potential traitor".

[Elsa Jay]

I'm not liking anyone saying to look at the Porkens lynch as a "town lynch".

It was anything but and we all know it. Even a glance at their ISO gave everyone a reason to kill them as town and scum on other team.

I dont think the Porkens lynch is AI for finding their partners, personally. Scum jumping on the wagon, sure, but definitely not any HoB members bussing a "potential traitor".

Elsa, you're too smart to make statements like the bolded one.Do you honestly think anyone wanted us to view yesterday as a mislynch? Do you sincerely think that statement was meant that way by anyone, and not the way that you said it(that is, that the wagon should be analyzed in the same way a wagon on town would be)?

-Cerb

I'm half asleep and remembered Jingle saying looking at it as if it was a town lynch was valid or something. Calling me out is good, so thanks for that.

Also: Never underestimate my IQ fluctuation. It goes from Rock to Politician/Lawyer in an instant and back again, with any results in-between.

[Elsa Jay]

So putting aside Toog, Flicker, EJ for today.

Porkens being treated as a town wagon is a viable point.

I'm fine with the provisional assumption that Flicker was a town wagon. That's a good starting point for wagon analysis, if someone who isn't being lazy wants to get on that.

Too show I'm not bullshitting, my mind only read the bolded and clearly my mind blocks out information when I'm tired.

Dont think I should post anymore tonight while my mind is drowsy. Will post more tomorrow.

--- Pedit ---

Sure why not Cheeky.

VOTE: McMenno

Probably will remove it when I'm reasonable.

[Elsa Jay]

^^^^^^^^^^

World's best comeback, everyone. The obvious solution for all our problems is to have the scum play in one forum and the rest of us can stay here and be happy!

Wont that be

absolutely fun!?!

[Elsa Jay]

I hope you don't tell me to stfu again, but it's probably a given she can't anyway. Don't think Almost would see the need to give her ability such a condition, but that's just me.

I mean ... that spew of crap could be give up posting I suppose. That's some consolation.

There is a VERY strong reason to believe that NicoRobin is scum in this game. Like bordering on logical certainty reasoning. Just trying to get this in before threadlock.

~D

Would you also like to elaborate on your Hydra's thoughts on this as well? You haven't said anything about it.

[Elsa Jay]

Doesn't solve the whole: survivor can't be taken to LYLO problem. And as soon as EJ is lynched, the entire plan unravels.

Also!

Your assumption that people would even remember that Toranaga predicted that EJ was 3P is...optimistic, to say the least.

As you reminded me, town is bad.

Agreed that it's a questionable line though, I'm just saying that I *can* see a universe where it could be done without scum being bad.

-Cerb

This and all the previous posts aimed about me...

THIS IS THE FIFTH DAMN TIME THE DISCUSSION WAS BROUGHT BACK AROUND TO TALKING ABOUT MY DEATH.

Pls don't do that while I'm working, and PLEASE for the love of God stop using me as a discussion point too not find scum. I know atleast a few of you are doing that.

Talking about me being mafia doctor for like the 15th time isnt changing anything. Focus on the HoB or other scum teams.

[Elsa Jay]

I'll give you 2 reasons, and one of them is true.

1: the Mod implied to me since my wincon doesn't actually oppose towns, I am therefore not needing of a Flavor since those are given to those against the town.

2: I do actually know it and I'm bullshitting about saying I never knew it.

Believe either one at your own risk.

[Elsa Jay]

This is a bump for the VC, a new vote purely for pressure, AND me wishing everyone a happy day/night, depending where you are in the world.

VOTE: Nancy Drew Shoganate

Also so nobody can scream "DON'T LEAVE IT AT L-1 THERE'S A 3P CLAIM" Or something stupid like that.

[Elsa Jay]

Well if Robin's strategy of not even playing this game while being elsewhere on site can be considered Null or even town by some... Then yes, Menno.

I'm putting down the 9 people I think are town currently, so if the 9 town theory is correct, you guys gotta find the core 9 members you trust, including yourself of course.

Current 9 town in my eyes:. (In order)

By Role

Flicker
Toogeloo (unfortunately)

By General demeanor

Jingle
Thor
Cheeky
Cerb (RR)

By Process of Elimination

Chara
Gamma
Chickadee/McMenno

The final slot is reserved until further notice and future play done by them.

[Elsa Jay]

Also, thinking on setup a bit more, the lack of flavor really favors the idea that town is only 9 members. Town is the crew of Serenity, of which there is really only 9, and that means that there are no available fake claims to give to scum either, so rather than expand the township to characters like Mr Universe or other "allies," it seems that the crew is fully accounted for here, and then everyone else is antagonistic to their survival.

Or neutral. Never forget Neutral.

[Elsa Jay]

Honestly RN I'm hoping Nancy sonehow pulls a miracle and convinces everyone the truth of their alignment.

Kinda also waiting for Drixx to appear as well, to be Frank.

Having a Hydra with 1 quiet head is... Terrifying, to say the least.

[Elsa Jay]

If your asking for Nancy, she's let Tora still lead despite joining the game as well and I think she should be more involved.

If it's Drixx, clearly he has something to say that he isnt even telling you.

If it's the hydra thing, yeah Hydras in general scare me because someone can post under someone else's name and I'm basically reading 2 different people.

Didn't know which one you wanted answered, so I said all 3.

[Elsa Jay]

Listen, at this point in the game, I feel like making a decent stand here.

If we want to lynch an ACTIVE poster, probably get NDS or Jaber. Currently suspicion is on NDS but we don't want the day to end without a solid read on Jaber.

If we're going for an INACTIVE poster, it's North (a known meta, apparently) or Robin. I'm particularly wanting Robin to flip because Chickadee seems super opposed to it when nobody elsa is.

Obviously is a vigi exists, go for North or Robin, depending on who we hang.

[Elsa Jay]

i don't think they're HoB.

Any particulars as to why you can share?

My particular guess there is the only "partner" atm you'd be able to make a possible connection to is me? And clearly that's not true.

Perhaps looking for Duos who've stuck together is a good idea, since we now know there's a 2 person scum team out there.

[Elsa Jay]

@Almost: We will also accept you giving me a day-vig ability and leaving it to myself to murder one of them. It'll make the game fun, I promise.

[Elsa Jay]

How am I supposed to Murder Chickadee with that puny thing?

... I mean,

of course

I was gonna shoot Robin with my day-vig ability. What makes you think I was thinking otherwise?

[Elsa Jay]

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (6):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),	CheekyTeeky (2221),
McMenno (1):	BuJaber (2082),
northsidegal (1):	Jingle (2223),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

Excellent timing, Tora. Your Currently 3 votes away from death.

Just letting you know.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm kinda sold on mcmenno being scum based off sky's TMI, cause I agree with cheeky's interpretation of it, and I think the other posts cheeky quoted are scummy and I never liked how sky flip flopped on me cause it feels unnatural

-tor

I'm kinda sold on mcmenno being scum based off sky's TMI, cause I agree with cheeky's interpretation of it, and I think the other posts cheeky quoted are scummy and I never liked how sky flip flopped on me cause it feels unnatural

-tor

Perhaps also get rid of the accidental double post as well? I like my forum games looking pretty.

[Elsa Jay]

-snip-

Skimming to catch up and this caught my eye. Again, really really not interested in a Nico flip any time soon. You shouldn’t be either.

Your last posts have only talked about "ignore Robin" despite not giving anything else of substance and having connection issues. You haven't even said why you want them alive.

If you're an Unlyncher you can just say so. We won't judge you for it.

[Elsa Jay]

Y’all are dense.

In a game with redacted flavor, what roles make sense....

A rolecop attracted by the Lightning Rod ability?

Gee, thanks for confirming what we already guessed, Chickadee.

[Elsa Jay]

Well if it was about River and Simon, why did you rule out Simon?

Seems weird. That role seems overly weird as well for a day ability.

[Elsa Jay]

I’m a setup where town doesn’t know their flavor, that’s extremely helpful. When porkens was getting run up I copped them. I got a picture of the HOB guys.

Can you quote the post where you even HINTED at knowing something like that? And why on someone that was gonna be lynched for being a horrible slot instead of, say, RR or NDS?

Because pulling a claim out your ass isn't a great idea.

[Elsa Jay]

Still don't really like the reasoning THAT much, but for now I accept it. Personally I'd have checked me yesterday or today, but you do you.

Unless ascetic also stops day abilities, in which case that's very broken. But hey, that'll prove I'm ascetic.

[Elsa Jay]

We're even bringing timestamps in to solve this game.

Holy sheet. Gotta look into this as well now that I'm off of work,

[Elsa Jay]

Also, tonally I believe Elsa is not scum but I'm still very interested.

"Interested".

Now you got me worried.

[Elsa Jay]

I like playing with new people. Gives me new material to work with.

Apparently though, adding Toog to the list, people with Panda avatars always try to fuck me over. I don't know why.

[Elsa Jay]

but I also dont see any reason for scum-chick to claim it without really any reason to do so

Like how me claiming Neutral Doctor wouldn't make sense if I was mafia Doc?

Clearly the role is under scrutiny ATM more so then Chickadee.

[Elsa Jay]

Before I went kaput on my short spree as Bambietta, there was a dude named Mumble who threw me under the bus without my say so page one to try to get town cred in a 5p.

In that game, Sheep also got banned and every player besides Mumble himself got replaced after I died. It was ran by RC.

That's his profile pic.

Pandas are my natural enemy.

[Elsa Jay]

My vote hasnt moved in awhile.

VOTE: Mala

I'll do this last favor for ya, Nancy. Hope you get your spirits back.

[Elsa Jay]

Claims this game so far-

Elsa: Neutral Doc (Ascetic BP)
Flicker: Priest
Toog: Lightning Rod
Chickadee: Day flavor cop (who says Robin is River/Simon)
Jingle: Mason

I'm keeping this as a reminder for later.

Pedit: Jaber, if you're town, you probably shouldn't let yourself get hung so easily.

[Elsa Jay]

Loving how Mala ignores the steady incline of votes on her in favor of jokes.

Dont know if thay makes her more scummy or to any though.

[Elsa Jay]

That l-2, I would appreciate slowing down until at least Drixx posts again.

Thanks.

-Cerb

[Elsa Jay]

Toog even agrees with fake Sanic.

Be like Toog. Follow Sanic's advice.

[Elsa Jay]

By "don't hammer", I think you're secretly telling us to hammer.

VOTE: Mala

[Elsa Jay]

Entertainment. It gives me entertainment.

Besides, you'd rather a townie unvote anyway. Not leave me open to qucikhammer if I'm off the wagon.

Clearly

Im an untrustworthy 3p who shouldn't be given such a task.

[Elsa Jay]

Excellent point. People

can

be dumb and quickhammer without realizing.

What a kurfuffle.

Apparently

someone may decide to ignore the blatant signs that say:

THIS IS L-1 PLEASE DONT HAMMER.

I got to sleep on this wonderful discovery. Goodnight.

[Elsa Jay]

UNVOTE:

So you feel better and for Drixx. Plus I rather not be your target day 3 anyway.

[Elsa Jay]

Jaber, that's only 2 3p. Your basic counting skill is off.

Unless that's you CCing Mala in a weird way.

[Elsa Jay]

So I’m glad we are going to let Elsa live who is claimed 3rd party who I’m sure hasn’t said everything in the role PM but planning on saying fuck it lets lynch you. Yeah please explain to me how that’s fair because it’s not

-snip-

Malakittens does make a good point.

As far as EJ goes: Jay is

absolutely

good enough to make that claim as scum and pull it off. And as town. Cerb and I spent some time talking about it already and ultimately we feel like that slot is just going to resolve itself within a couple phases. If it doesn't, then it has to eat rope for all the reasons already stated.


~D

Even mentioning the word "Neutral" brings me up again in discussion. And this all happens when I gotta work an early shift at work now. Sigh.

To Mala: Well, you

did

admit to not trying as hard as a 3p with such an ability. Being jealous of a fellow "Neut" seems sad when I dont even screw with your wincon.

Plus it seems some of the town wants to lynch elsawhere so you're fine for now. Why thrower shade at me in particular if not only out of jealously though?

To Drixx: Thanks for the praise and semi-threat in the same paragraph. Always makes my heart tingle with joy. I'll be sure to "resolve" everything for everyone when the right time comes.

[Elsa Jay]

Claims this game so far-

Elsa: Neutral Doc (Ascetic BP)
Flicker: Priest
Toog: Lightning Rod
Chickadee: Day flavor cop (who says Robin is River/Simon)
Jingle: Mason

Mala: Lyncher who flavor target is "Mal"

I'm keeping this as a reminder for later.

[Elsa Jay]

My flavor is retracted also. I'm a 3rd party. In order for me to win I need a player to be lynched. if they are NK'd I lose the game. I'm also apparently full Bulletproof in order to help me survive to meet my win condition

So a Lyncher? Why would Lyncher have its flavor retracted?

Same reason I dont have a flavor. I guess as long as your card doesn't say "have all of Serenity die a horrible and painful death to win" I think you also dont get a flavor.

[Elsa Jay]

Dang it Cheeky make up your mind. Menno or Ari?

Oh yeah, hey Ari. Been awhile. Glad to see your doing well.

[Elsa Jay]

If Mala lives I know at the very least town will hang them before me, so I'm not opposed to you all leaving her alive. But I also won't deny the lynch either should you choose to kill em.

PS: Mala claimed full Bulletproof, so a vigi shot would not even put a dent in her, unlike my single BP.

[Elsa Jay]

your claimed single BP. :>

Shhhh....

Anyway, I'd also rather we still try and find killing scum then anti-town 3p like Mala. And we have many more options, like perhaps Ari if he doesn't feel like catching up. We also got other less suspicious slots that could use some investigating.

[Elsa Jay]

Is anyone else getting the feeling that having specifically me (the guy who wants 3rd parties to win all games with 3rd parties) might be messing up the balance of this game a little?

You just gained a 20 % bigger chance to be healed.

[Elsa Jay]

The only BP claims are Neuts tho. One of which doesn't even die and the other who very much wants to live.

[Elsa Jay]

If you want my top 5 group-scum read now that Mala is out, from highest to lowest:


1: Menno (just didn't like Sky's stuff)
2: Jaber
3: Ari
4: NDS
5: Toog (may be fucking with Investigators)

[Elsa Jay]

2 and a half hours have past... The Elsa is bored ATM.

She will now post a picture of her kid self to marvel in her own glory.

Please enjoy the adorableness as I plan on who to murder next with my voting prowess.

[Elsa Jay]

Well if you weren't reading RR's slip I thought I'd ask as it could pseudo confirm you as town. It's hard to know if you had read it or not

although if you are scum you would have a team tell you to say something along those lines.

Was worth a shot.

Who said anything about scum having daychat?

Or is that actually in the rules and I'm a dumbo.

[Elsa Jay]

It's ok Elsa you're the cutest dumbo <3

Can confirm

This doesn't answer my question or make me feel powerful.

I feel abused. You wouldn't do this to Jingle, Thor, or RR... Why must I be treated this way?

[Elsa Jay]

For this abuse, I demand cookies and affection as retribution. Repent for your sins of Elsa abuse.

[Elsa Jay]

Lyncher Mala is a mean Mala...

Off to bed I go then.

[Elsa Jay]

if your going God Theme, SHAZAM! has been a particular favorite of mine.

(Shameless DC over Marvel fan here)

[Elsa Jay]

@)Humble request to Almost: if Robin doesnt post game-relevant content in say 24 hours, I feel a replacement is necessary considering all the prod dodges with no real content from the slot.

[Elsa Jay]

@)Humble request to Almost: if Robin doesnt post game-relevant content in say 24 hours, I feel a replacement is necessary considering all the prod dodges with no real content from the slot.

Or we can just flash wagon the slot and be done with it all together. We've been pussy footing around all day, had plenty of "shady" players in sights, and for whatever reason no one cares to actually seal the deal on anything.

Going for the slot Chickadee is saying could be clear RN is a horrible decision, but getting someone who'll be useful to town or basically scare the scum into killing the slot from prior experience with said player is much better then a hang.

[Elsa Jay]

Superman in the movies sucks. Clark Kent is literally the Model Paragon in Fiction that inspired basically everyone in-universe to be a better person when his character isnt butchered to become Hitler.

Don't diss the Supes.

PS: Toog, you're on thin ice already with how youve acted since day one. Don't do something stupid.

You quickhammered once, and while it was a traitor, that shit isn't forgotten.

[Elsa Jay]

That's 4 votes for a replacement Robin. Can we get 4 more? We're halfway there.

Also: Yes, I would be pushing Toog if it wasnt for his claim. And I'll trust Chickadee... For now.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Toog

The fact your calling me a lapdog but until your claim I was more townread then you speaks volumes.

And even if I'm a lapdog... My bite hurts like a bitch. And you about to get to full fucking bite.

[Elsa Jay]

So if your gonna hammer any slot at L-1, will you hammer your own as well?

Seems like

someone

doesnt want to have their opinion taken seriously anymore. Or wants to be seen as useful to town.

Also, that basically eliminated any townie points you gained from the hammer on the traitor.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh, btw, Elsa. You actually can't have that in your sig yet. I'm totally down with you sigging it, but you have to wait for the game to be over.

Damn. Remind me after the game ends. My Sig will have the top 3 quotes from this game afterwards.

[Elsa Jay]

The current "replace Robin" crew.

Elsa Jay, Chickadee, CheekyTeeky, Malakittens, Flicker, BuJaber. 2 more for the petition to proceed.

This is basically a free lynch without the "Lynch" or a chance to lose a townie but be able to gain an ally that'll be useful for town. Dont see why some others wont do it, Ari atleast giving his reasoning.

[Elsa Jay]

Me campaigning for a new player worked out perfectly. And even a player with a Chaotic Neutral heart like mine? Almost just gave me an early Christmas present.

Also, highly recommended to not read my ISO because it's long and fluffy. Go ahead if you want some laughs and a better read on me tho.

[Elsa Jay]

I voted Toog because he's being an asshat and he tried too hard day 1 to "softclaim". His example of

LOOKIE HERE AT ME LET ME GET ATTENTION

seemed too forced anyway. Plus he is literally Mason hunting.

Now does thay explain the no kill if LR is a fake claim? Well if the scum hit Mala, me or Cheeky then yeah. Or even the mafia have a fraction chance of hitting like the sample role showed.

[Elsa Jay]

Honestly so many people go after the "too scummy to be scum" Angle that it can almost be justified to be openly scummy. WIFOM and all that.

[Elsa Jay]

Claims this game so far-

Elsa: Neutral Doc (Ascetic BP)
Flicker: Priest (proved their modifier)
Toog: Lightning Rod
Chickadee: Day flavor cop (who says Robin is River/Simon)
Jingle: Mason
Mala: Lyncher who flavor target is "Mal"

Gamma: Mason

I'm keeping this as a reminder for later.

7 outta 16 have claimed so far and it's only day 2. We got 7 IRL days to figure this shit out.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh RR, Ari replaced North, not Tails.

You got the wrong replacement.

[Elsa Jay]

Well I just took it at face value and didnt look for your Mason partner since I felt like respecting your boundaries.

Dang it Toog you ruined a chance for me to get cleared.

[Elsa Jay]

3rd party is awesome tho. Oh, we can still be friends Mala, no worry about that. Just let it be known you are also the one I'm using as a Get out of Lynch free card for a day when they start wanting to kill off the Neuts.

[Elsa Jay]

Well, if we're going with the McMenno wagon, the next 2 votes on it has to be Toog and Mala before the wagon is at L-1

Mala: because theyre legit a Lyncher who'll need to quickhammer to win.

Toog: because he openly said he is going to hammer anyone at L-1 because he thinks we're "pussyfooting" and stuff.

Otherwise we can consider it at L-1 now.

[Elsa Jay]

Because Jaber made it so we wouldn't murder him instead. And Toog is going full blown crazy.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh

come on!

I went through all the effort of making a campaign to get an actual player in that slot but we're not even letting them live past today?

I campaigned specifically so the player who joined was either 1: good enough to get NKd instead or 2: helped town out.

[Elsa Jay]

I disagree with him, therefore he is evil and wrong.

[Elsa Jay]

First of all: you all know what BJ usually stands for but still use it as a description for Jaber. Amazing.

Elsa honestly you are much more dangerous to keep alive than Mala, if we get in a situation where we have to lynch 3p


But if I die she becomes more dangerous than you. So if you want to help town don't lynch me but if you want to help yourself you should.

Second: Are you saying I'm more dangerous because of my personailty and criminal record or are you saying a Survivor is more dangerous then a Lyncher?

And why are you trying to appeal to me in particular? I know atleast a few of the people here like my opinion, but trying to pocket me seems weird as fuck.

Your also trying to make me not hang you by... Accusing me that I'm being selfish if I hang you?

VOTE: BuJaber

Yeah, no. I'm not falling for that shit.

[Elsa Jay]

This is actually amazing. You misinterpretted every single part of that.

It's a special skill of mine, I assure you. But that atleast proves how different our thought process is.

Never trust I (or anyone elsa for that matter) understand how you think. Explanations are key.

and your saying you think your role is less valuable then any of the claimed ones? very weird way to soft-claim.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm truly sorry to almost who like asked me to replace into this game in the hopes that I'd be reliable but another thing in my life, especially a mafia game, is just not something I can handle right now.

Please replace me.

This slot is Fricken cursed, I tell you. This is the second victim it's claimed.

Will we get a third?

[Elsa Jay]

Almost, do you got an Assembly line on standby?

Where do you keep finding these guys.

[Elsa Jay]

Claims this game so far-

Elsa: Neutral Doc (Ascetic BP)
Flicker: Priest (proved their modifier)
Toog: Lightning Rod
Chickadee: Day flavor cop (who says Robin is River/Simon)
Jingle: Mason
Mala: Lyncher who flavor target is "Mal"

Gamma: Mason

I'm keeping this as a reminder for later.

7 outta 16 have claimed so far and it's only day 2. We got 7 IRL days to figure this shit out.

Might as well quote this for the 5th time for the new guy.

[Elsa Jay]

I thought you shared it already? I remember the 2 videos being posted in-thread awhile ago.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Tails

Cheeky never had a replacement. She's been here since the beginning.

Also now she's mad and I'm sad she is mad.

[Elsa Jay]

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain, yet we seem to have lose critical pushes and are more divided then ever.

Elsa Jay will stop this division with the Lynch of Toogeloo.

Elect Elsa Jay for President.

(This advertisement is sponsered by the Moderator)

[Elsa Jay]

... Quitting the Internet?

Oh come on man, I just met ya.

[Elsa Jay]

First it was Toranaga.

Then it was Nancy Drew Shoganate.

Will you complete the cycle and fully become Nancy Drew 39? Itll be like a pokemon evolution.

[Elsa Jay]

Wait if you're a bodyguard shouldn't you have died last night when the LR was used?

Unless your somehow ALSO ascetic... Which would then be stupid and bullshit since I already got it and 2 protective roles with the same modifier would be weird.

Details, man. Details.

[Elsa Jay]

... Well that does answer how you'd live. Can't be made to visit if you stay home I guess.

Rather believe that for now honestly. The ship DOES have a role that'd fit BG maybe?

VOTE: Ari

The North slot needs something big out of it because otherwise I think its the better option.

Tails, does your card say you can't be healed if you guard an attack? Because honestly I'll just make you guard someone and heal you instead.

[Elsa Jay]

I think some players have posted they have flavor. I just know I didn't.

Nobody here has their flavors. Not even me or Mala, the 2 3p claims.

[Elsa Jay]

Well it doesn't say it

won't

heal multiple attacks. It just Says "heal any attack done to target". That implies multiple protection.

[Elsa Jay]

He explained it as more of the Ascetic stopping the passive from affecting them, but because it's not "direct", it doesn't go for them I guess?

And wouldnt a Roleblocker like the one speculated via flavor make the LR useless unless the LR is ALSO rb immune?

[Elsa Jay]

Hey Elsa. You're currently voting for a no lynch, effectively, and and no lynches mean the game swings towards scum, which means we have to lynch you out of paranoia sooner.

So you might not want to do that with 24 hours or less left

-Cerb

1: Well clearly it's not a No Lynch anymore huh?

2: if you keep using the threat on my game life, the threat loses it's edge and now your like that Grandpa who says he'll smack those youngsters for being wrong.

[Elsa Jay]

Again with trying to make the vigi waste any shots on me instead of actual scum. If you dont want me to respond to your slot, don't post anything and I'll never respond to you. This game doesn't let you just ignore a player because you don't want to interact with them, which clearly your trying to do.

I recommend the Vigilante instead kill Cerb for even more horrible fear mongering and general PoE which would make him likely scum. Sorry to Drixx, but Cerb has been less townie since day 1.

Thor and Cheeky town. Tails town for now. Mala also a 3p that'll probably be hung later if we dont accidentally hang her target.

[Elsa Jay]

Fucking fine.

I retract the Neutral part of my claim. I claimed that so I could fucking not get shot yet.

Happy?

[Elsa Jay]

Fucking fine.

I retract the Neutral part of my claim. I claimed that so I could fucking not get shot yet.

Happy?

Is this for real?

I was gonna reveal day 3 when we had more substantial information but yes. With Cerb pushing for every Vigilante on me I have no choice but to revert back to my regular role so I dont lose it for town.

[Elsa Jay]

Bujaber, have you seven looked at Elsa's early play? Hint: bring up their ISO, and search for the word "neutral".

It's pretty fucking obvious.

-Cerb

Yeah, that Neutral is my favorite thing I want to play one day and I used Tora to get a free claim and use it for town's benefit. But now it's worn out it's purpose.

[Elsa Jay]

Fucking fine.

I retract the Neutral part of my claim. I claimed that so I could fucking not get shot yet.

Happy?

Just incase you missed it from before. I'm doing this for Toog in particular because he called me out earlier.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh damnit now your giving me no time to think on who to heal.

Ari did you send your Venge kill to Almost or are you gonna actually post it in-thread?

[Elsa Jay]

The reason I obviously didn’t want to claim is, now Elsa neeeds to protect me, instead of someone like Chick, so now thanks to you, one of us will not be protected now.

Prior to my claim, scum had no reason to ever target me.

Considering I got rid of my Neutral claim, they probably have even more reason to go for me instead. But I'll take healing you into consideration.

[Elsa Jay]

People keep forgetting I mentioned only the Neutral part of my claim is false.

I'm still ascetic, so Tails just be on Chickadee. I'll stay on Nancy or the Masons.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh.

Elsa Jay, target last night?
Tails, target last night?
-Cerb

Honestly I might as well say fuck it and claim my full role finally. The real Simon hasnt come out yet and they healed Toog N1. I'm saying this since 3 scum are dead.

My real (and final claim) role is Ascetic 1-BP hider. I hid on Thor last night and lost my BP.

[Elsa Jay]

I said Cheeky, and that part was true, it just I was using her as a meatshield instead of healing her.

[Elsa Jay]

Didn't you claim Lyncher?

Not weak, btw. Also still at work for 2 hours brb.

[Elsa Jay]

Which I'm still sad about losing it btw.

[Elsa Jay]

Tbh I was worried about getting rid of the Nico slot since Chickadee said it COULD be Simon and I knew I was bullshitting about being Simon to draw the NK end of yesterday.

Wanted to reveal I was town doc today to draw NKs this night but

some people

wouldn't leave me alone.

[Elsa Jay]

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

[Elsa Jay]

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.

No, I think Simon 100% had to have healed Thor’s target, otherwise we would have had a town death last night.

I claimed Hider now. I lost the BP going onto Thor. If they attacked my slot they wouldn't have hit anything.

[Elsa Jay]

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.

No, I think Simon 100% had to have healed Thor’s target, otherwise we would have had a town death last night.

I claimed Hider now. I lost the BP going onto Thor. If they attacked my slot they wouldn't have hit anything.

Bear with me here.

I know you probably explained this earlier and I am at work.

Why exactly the fake claim?

~~Math

1: because it would be fun.
2: because I wanted to draw the NK later on AFTER I redacted the neutral part of my claim until RR kept sending the vigilante at me and wasting their shots.
3: because why not.

Reason 2 was for if we kept losing townies but we didn't at all besides Ari.

[Elsa Jay]

you're a hider. town hiders who don't die on scum (have you answered if you do yet?) should be drawing the nightkill because that's the only thing your PR does.

What makes you think I claimed town or neutral hider?

[Elsa Jay]

I meant I never said I was a town hider. I was just trying to do town a solid and draw the NK last night since I could hide. But since I hid on Thor I lost the BP.

And yeah, honestly I think HoB shot Thor and Thor shot me.

[Elsa Jay]

If it helps for speculation, I tried to research the flavor and I

think

I'm Higgins.

[Elsa Jay]

Tfw everyone gets sick. Hope everyone feels better soon.

[Elsa Jay]

actually, i want Elsa Jay to go first.

What do you mean by this?

[Elsa Jay]

Didn't I correct it in thread yesterday? I did nothing last night.

[Elsa Jay]

I meant I never said I was a town hider. I was just trying to do town a solid and draw the NK last night since I could hide. But since I hid on Thor I lost the BP.

And yeah, honestly I think HoB shot Thor and Thor shot me.

I mean, I corrected when I forgot to reiterate I'm still Neutral, but instead of a Doctor, I'm a hider. I claimed town doctor to draw the NK for town that night so you could have a majority and lynch scum faster so I have less of a reason to get hung.

I didn't hide last night because I legit had more of a chance to die if I did since I lost my BP.

[Elsa Jay]

Aw, you got me reinvested in reading. Sigh.

[Elsa Jay]

Would have been more funny if Robin suddenly appeared with another "Hi" as the Bah post of that slot.

[Elsa Jay]

I dont get what's so complicated about my final claim now. But maybe if I bold it, people will understand

Neutral Survivor Who had a BP used up being on Thor, given the Ascetic modifier presumably because Toog would have killed my slot otherwise.

[Elsa Jay]

And I condensed it into 1 so I can requote it for the future if someone elsa has that question. Same reason I had that claimslist in my ISO that everyone eventually adopted instead.

[Elsa Jay]

This seems to be pushing legality too, but still...

[Elsa Jay]

Oh, so you're the real Simon I was worried would get shot and have everyone murder me. Glad I sided with you then.

[Elsa Jay]

Didn't someone bring up the fact that this series has multiple doctors before? I wasn't the one who ever said I was Simon, just claiming one of the random fodder doctors. You all assigned me as Simon.

[Elsa Jay]

But why weren’t you suspicious when Elsa claimed to have protected you?

Because I can only protect from 1-kill, thought I'd be stronger if I was the real Simon. Anyway I wasn't outting at that stage of the game regardless.

... You can't only protect from one, otherwise the HoB and Thor would have killed Toog.

[Elsa Jay]

I mean't n1. That night, both Thor and the HoB attacked, I assume. How Didn't he die n1?

[Elsa Jay]

Oh right, forgot about the Jailkeep being affected by the a LR weirdly as well. Thanks for that, Drixx.

[Elsa Jay]

Wait Tails JKing Chick wouldn't explain the Thor kill right?

What's the timeline on all the actions...it's starting to sound like Elsa should be lynched.

How did it end up with me as the Lynch? Teh fuk?

[Elsa Jay]

I'm literally telling you the information I have for you. N1 I hid behind Cheeky. Fine. N2 is Thor. Lost my BP. N3 did jackshit. I'm alive.

What's so complicated in thinking Thor attacked my slot and HoB killed Thor?

[Elsa Jay]

A random ass townie or something. Or our doctor. I don't get what that has to do with you saying I'm the one who killed Thor.

[Elsa Jay]

Then I guess whatever the Reavers are have a rolecop or something then, because they got no reason to roleblock a Daycop.

[Elsa Jay]

Then I guess whatever the Reavers are have a rolecop or something then, because they got no reason to roleblock a Daycop.

I realise this is very stupid considering I'm saying they invested the Daycop, but whatever.

Also, can you tell me what I gained from saying I hid on top of Thor and lost my BP? I'm Ascetic so it wouldn't have mattered much anyway wherever I visit since you couldnt track it.

[Elsa Jay]

Because I claimed Survivor, they didnt know Thor was opposing Scum, and I just got in the way before? The clearly didn't want to waste their time on me.

[Elsa Jay]

As for the Survivor "when the lynch" thing, Jaber?

Never. I literally went out my way to try and fuck scum by trying to give Neutrals their wincon.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Mala

Its a Mercy killing, Jaber.

[Elsa Jay]

She could be the last scum who claimed Lyncher, if that helps your consciouses, everyone.

[Elsa Jay]

If scum kill me to take away my victory, I'm going to be very sad.

[Elsa Jay]

If scum kill me to take away my victory, I'm going to be very sad.

I really hope they do and I’m surprised they haven’t already

Sensing high sodium levels... Cats shouldn't be able to hold that much in their system.

[Elsa Jay]

I lied for the eventual benefit of claiming town to draw the NK away and earn my place among the crew as the friendly hider Survivor. You didnt even try to get your objective done.

[Elsa Jay]

I don't want to be in your club, I'm saying your calling my play horrible when atleast I put the effort into the game. You just rolled over and claimed Lyncher.

Why are you going after me for no reason because your losing?

Pedit: Non-weak hider, bruh. Why would Almost make a NEUTRAL HIDER a weak one?

[Elsa Jay]

No, shitpost more. And you still owe me that Dayvig 1-shot ability form earlier.

[Elsa Jay]

UNVOTE:

Totally down for RK, Elsa, or Mala.

We know your fine with my Lynch. You've literally been saying it since day 1.

[Elsa Jay]

Yeah, so I somehow never get lynched despite that saying existing because I'm somehow never the biggest problem.

[Elsa Jay]

We know from Flicker those modifiers exist. No real point in checking it.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh yeah, you ALSO have a lynch-boner on me Cerb. I forgot with Drixx taking over for awhile.

[Elsa Jay]

You could just admit you just want to hang me because you Don't like me and dont bullshit about it being strategically sound.

[Elsa Jay]

Probably should clear this with Almost, but considering Jingle mentioned he talks to Almost I'm sure some of you do as well. He thinks it funny that I'm so close and getting hung NOW of all times is funny.

I may be able to interpret this as there literally only being 1 scum left, but I dont know.

[Elsa Jay]

And none of the other shit people have brought up hasn't been?

Look at the RR "rolecard quote" and compare me saying Almost hinting at there being only one last scum left is so much worse then that.

Before you fuck me for it later, I don't remember who exactly "quoted" their rolecard but I think it was RR? But yeah, only 1 scum left.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh yeah, and bringing it up earlier, I chatted with Almost a bunch and I can honestly say I think I squeezed out of him Im Magistrate Higgins. So his son, Fess, who betrayed him to help the serenity, is Probably a member of the town here. Him plus the 9 crew members make 10 town.

10 town + myself + the 3 HoB + Reaver + Mala = 16. One of the fake claimed is the last evil.

Pedit: I just use good old PMs for my chats with Almost. What, you haven't talked with the Mod to squeeze out info to help town win?

[Elsa Jay]

If he hasnt taken action now despite being online while I'm posting, as long as you literally dont post your Rolecard or exactly quote from your Mason PT (Gamma and Jingle), literally anything goes.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm just point blank saying, so you all don't try to remurder me, I'll put my vote there after someone unvotes if I'm online.

[Elsa Jay]

... Um. Your still technically at L-1. But that seems like a forfeit.

You want me to hammer?

[Elsa Jay]

Quite honestly I still think Jingle and Gamma are scum

Or like scum had no hope against three cops
And scum of three members against two serial killers is bullshit.

Tfw you unironically claim Serial Killer before your demise.

This game literally had all the scum get rekt. That's sad, but momentum in town's favor is a bitch.

[Elsa Jay]

I might get yelled at if we actually have a day 5, but considering lots of people want me lynched anyway, it's not like me hammering a Serial Killer will hurt that much.

VOTE: RightKnight

[Elsa Jay]

Wait, there's Math, and Nancy... Who tf is Castle?

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE IN YOUR HEAD.

[Elsa Jay]

Probably if my hypothesis of there actually being 10 town is right.

[Elsa Jay]

Well then... I pulled scummy tactics at the end and learned that I

really

oughta watch what I say sometimes.

Atleast I gave Almost a new rule for future games.

[Elsa Jay]

Fuck, I DID draw the NK. I just happened to hide behind the dude who tried to stab me... In which he was then stabbed himself.

[Elsa Jay]

Thor: Shoot Elsa Jay (redirected to Toogeloo. Fails due to JK protection)
Nico Robin: Shoot Elsa Jay (redirected to Toogeloo. Fails due to JK protection)

... Holy fuck I claimed surv and you still wanted me dead. You guys are cold mofos.

[Elsa Jay]

Yeah, but unlike the rest of them, I won.

[Elsa Jay]

I went trolly mode since you also went for my wincon. I apologize as well.

[Elsa Jay]

The craziest player .. by far .. was EJ. We (myself, ruru & Varsoon) were wondering what he was doing with the Doctor fake claim. Then it got interesting. I'll smoke whatever you're smoking dude.

It's pure simple imagination. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Elsa Jay]

but I know I am an ass.

Anyone who call themselves an ass are most definitely not.

Agree to disagree on that.

[Elsa Jay]

I’m just wanting clarity on this because I’ve done it and seen it done many many times, so why would that result in a modkill?

But yes, please explain it wrt both games then, because I’m confused.

In short, you can't say "I was chatting with the mod and was able to deduce so and so" like EJ did. You can discuss your own role/flavor (true or fake) and you can discuss your own ability results (true or fake).

This is to avoid being put in a situation where I would have to lie to cover up for your own mistakes. Like, if I was asked if the Doctor version I use is the standard (1 kill heal) or the variant.. I wouldn't know how to answer that w.o. either calling EJ a liar or lying to you myself. Also, EJ said he deduced that there was one scum left from my chat with him, when -in fact- I was hinting he got shot more than any other slot (when I said it was funny the Town wants to lynch him NOW). I concede it's still MY mistake, but I am learning from my mistakes. The Mod should not intervene in the game nor should they be made to look like they are intervening.

So you told me about the color red and my magical deduction skills said you were talking about blue.

How the fuck did I figure out there was 1 scum in that roundabout way? I thought I was Higgins so my son would he town. I came to the right conclusion for literally the wrong reasons.