Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[CheekyTeeky]

it's hard to obvtown when you're inactive, to be fair.

This is the thing. Cheeky is deliberately misrepresenting what I actually said and she damn well knows it. Jump on us for what we actually did say, not agenday of what was really said. And I’m well aware and I was planning to make up for this on Day 3. I’ve been dealing with a lot and Cheeky is trying to taunt me for some reason -I’m still not sure to what end.

I love her selective reading uncomprehension. When Tails pushed on her she had a meltdown but fails to see hypocrisy in what she’s doing here. I think that irks me more than anything.

It's not the same thing at all. I haven't once insulted your intelligence, called you worthless or made you feel stupid. Beetlejuicing and omgus ARE outdated scum tells. If you think I'm misrepping you that's fine I'm not personally attacking you I just think you're scum. I don't think you're being genuine at all tbh. But I could be wrong. Also, thanks for throwing my meltdown in my face, that really shows your colours.

[CheekyTeeky]

Like, if Nico/Tails is not town, they gotta basically be a 3p Simon/River or something.

I'm pretty sure River and Simon would be aligned with Serenity given they end up being accepted into the Serenity family. If we're working on the basis that there are 9 town, I'd assume that includes River/Simon unless people were counting the extras from the movie?

[CheekyTeeky]

I guess RR has a point about Tails not really doing much to prove he's town. It's hard to see what he's doing as sorting, it just looks like a massive defense to being scumread. I think it's very odd that scum would keep putting their neck out by antagonising players so it's a bit meh for me. One point of interest is that Tails did attempt to read Jingle's ISO and then kind of stopped there. I don't think anyone expected him to read the game in it's entirety but reading the ISOs of the leading wagons/players they are familiar with (like Jingle) makes sense.

Whatever is going on here I think arguing over whether it's fair someone is scumreading you probably isn't the best way to convince people you're town. Like some thoughts on Flicker, more progression on BuJaber etc would help a lot more.

RR has been very strongly town for me so I don't know what the point of all of this is if Tails is not scumreading RR.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah. So I guess that's what I meant by I can see why RR mechanically wants to vote you but it does look like you're trying so I'd rather lynch Flicker over you out of RR's two preferred lynches today. I think with flips coming and the potential mass claim tomorrow slots like Tails will be easier to figure out.

On a sidenote VLA is NAI right? I just find it odd that Flicker who hasn't really had much presence D2 decided to announce VLA which ends around deadline. I'm getting pretty frustrated with the low input slots tbh, if they are town they're making it a lot harder to PoE. I'm fine lynching any low input slot apart from Toogeloo today so we can move on and get some more clues. I'm still thinking there's scum in the softs/claims somewhere but there's not much I can figure out without a night of info.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think he softed. But whatevs at this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Tails (6):	Reasonably Rational (2914),	Flicker (2952),	Chara (3104),	Malakittens (3110),	Elsa Jay (3182),	Gamma Emerald (3361),
Light Ethos (2):	Chickadee (2988),	BuJaber (3058),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	CheekyTeeky (3292),
CheekyTeeky (2):	Light Ethos (2985),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (3312),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Aristophanes (1):	Tails (3364),
Not voting (2):	Aristophanes (2912),	Jingle (3143),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

Less than 24 hours, we should probably start condensing.

[CheekyTeeky]

Is anyone going to move or are we just lynching tails today?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[CheekyTeeky]

Making a newly viable wagon isn't really "condensing" cheeky

I mean maybe people need to discuss a consensus wagon, not just sit on Tails ignoring others' objections until deadline. Ive been pretty clear that we have enough to sort the claims/softs with after a night. So rather than leaving the ??? Slots for scum to bait us with later we may as well clean out a low poster who has high scum equity. Sorry Ari, you seem nice and stuff but you're not giving me much to work with particularly given the performance of your predecessor. If we did lynch you (which I feel is unlikely given people's preference for lynching tails but one can hope) and you flipped green I think that would make Flicker more suspicious as NSG tunnelled that slot pretty hard D1 and she can be right. If you flipped red I wouldn't really know what that means in a multiball but yay one more scum down + a fun day ahead of puzzle piecing.

Could you put a vote down please Ari?

[CheekyTeeky]

oh also

I love you cheeky. you're one of the best people I met.

....you're not getting away that easy. Sad to see you leave this game though. Will hopefully catch you on discord before you vanish. :/

[CheekyTeeky]

Wait if you're a bodyguard shouldn't you have died last night when the LR was used?

[CheekyTeeky]

[CheekyTeeky]

Tails is there a little bit of flavour before your role is explained?

[CheekyTeeky]

Tails is there a little bit of flavour before your role is explained?

Why are you so interested in this tidbit?

Because I wanted to see if there was something there but now it's all fallen apart.

A town BG doesn't make sense for River OR Simon. Possibly simon but he's a doc so...idk I'm really confused. Was hoping it said you sacrifice yourself to keep her/your family safe but ehhhhhhhhhh.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh Tails why did you ask about the doc and what did A50 say about it that leads you to think there are 1-shots?

[CheekyTeeky]

I thought McMenno claimed Mal.

[CheekyTeeky]

the wagon on me is obviously a scum fabrication to

slander my name and take the head of a virtuous town player.

Could be reading to much into this but I thought it was a really weird statement unless he was trolling. Thought it might point to some kind of "captain" role idk.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Tails Ari makes sense as Jane.

[CheekyTeeky]

Idk wheres the VC

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma seems scummy btw.

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle that seems logical. In my mind Venge = more likely town vs BG. Venge, like a vig can be positive utility for scum if they shoot town. There's a risk that the BG doesn't die tonight so I'd rather make sure this flips which could help us further decipher the workings of Chick's role. So while logically it makes sense to let the Venge kill and BG die somehow, we could end up killing town (possibly 2) and hoping scum don't have a workaround for the BG leaving scum in greater numbers. Then we would have to lynch the 3ps while scum kill us off each night so...I'd rather no venge shot and possibly a dead scum now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma seems scummy btw.

Nice pseudo-OMGUS
You forget I am a mason

I haven't bought that your Jingles mason partner for a while now but eh. I don't see the point of your post saying "VC is on the other page yawn" like are you accusing me of busy work?

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle that seems logical. In my mind Venge = more likely town vs BG. Venge, like a vig can be positive utility for scum if they shoot town. There's a risk that the BG doesn't die tonight so I'd rather make sure this flips which could help us further decipher the workings of Chick's role. So while logically it makes sense to let the Venge kill and BG die somehow, we could end up killing town (possibly 2) and hoping scum don't have a workaround for the BG leaving scum in greater numbers. Then we would have to lynch the 3ps while scum kill us off each night so...I'd rather no venge shot and possibly a dead scum now.

If the venge is town and shoots town, no town can die overnight. So, instead of the towniest town player being shot, the least town town player gets shot. Chick gets another investigation result off, which we can use to sort the BG. Chick also pretty much can't die while Tails is alive, so it gets us additional investigations.

So you're effectively hoping town will leash a possible scum BG at the expense of 2 town deaths? We have Elsa and possibly another doc if Tails mod talk about 1s protects alludes to what I think it does. There's enough protection and WIFOM to save Chick. If Tails does flip scum then there will be WIFOM and hopefully protection on RR also. I think there aren't really many obv towns that we'd be risking. Any other town deaths would only help solve the puzzle.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma seems scummy btw.

Nice pseudo-OMGUS
You forget I am a mason

I haven't bought that your Jingles mason partner for a while now but eh. I don't see the point of your post saying "VC is on the other page yawn" like are you accusing me of busy work?

More just challenging your laziness but hey that seems an apt description

ok whatevs

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh I don't even remember that.

[CheekyTeeky]

I hereby declare that I shall die on the 2nd day of 2nd month in year 2022, so I'd get to be with Ace. <2

This, btw, kind of makes sense as a bg crumb.

Funny that a BG can't spot a BG crumb

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm not thinking you're scum with Tails? Whilst you can see the crumb as possibly a BG crumb, I'm saying the BG should know more than anyone else if his predecessor crumbed in relation to his role. He's flat out denied a fe times that he has no idea what NR was doing.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't understand how I'm more anti town than 3ps and people lurking but wtfe. Some people can't read people and need mechanical clears to sort anything.

[CheekyTeeky]

@A50: I...feel like that number of 3 should not have been given to us...

Nope. It's the number above the threshhold. If he'd said 4 it would have meant something.

That means theres only one groupscum faction right? 2 max from the group scum, and 1 from the 3p.

[CheekyTeeky]

So now I'm thinking 3scum+1traitor + 3p

[CheekyTeeky]

@A50: I...feel like that number of 3 should not have been given to us...

Nope. It's the number above the threshhold. If he'd said 4 it would have meant something.

That means theres only one groupscum faction right? 2 max from the group scum, and 1 from the 3p.

No lol XD

Likely 9 town, 2 HoB + Traitor, 2 3P, and 3 left for the other scumteam.
Prolly Niska and his cronies for the other 3.

A50 said only 3 kills outside of town are possible IF theyre not the same alignment.

If we had what you're proposing then we could have 2+1+2 = 5. So lol you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Unless there's only 3 killing roles?

[CheekyTeeky]

But then how does it make sense?

[CheekyTeeky]

Well Ari let me know if you're going to shoot me so I can claim.

[CheekyTeeky]

So by the mods logic we only have 3 killing roles otherwise he errored.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh goddammit

[CheekyTeeky]

Sorry A50. You're never wrong

[CheekyTeeky]

You're shooting the biggest obv towns. Ugh.

[CheekyTeeky]

If you're going to shoot a blatant towny you may as well shoot gamma so you confirm jingle

[CheekyTeeky]

Why are you two obvtown??

I have not read either of you as obvtown!

Maybe you just haven't read?

[CheekyTeeky]

Yay - I still want full credit for my TMI theory if it flips scum though. I would like to be right about at least 1 thing this game. Also would look at BuJaber if it flips red. I remember some interesting associatives.

[CheekyTeeky]

There's no interesting associatives... we've been voting each other since the start. I didn't vote for sky but that's because I was tunnelled on the RC-Tora thing.

It's really amusing that you jumped to the conclusion that interesting means scummy.

[CheekyTeeky]

I just remembered your McMenno unvote that I wanted to look into. Seems a bit defensive actually.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol. Mhm. Sure. Noting certain behaviour as odd and wanting to follow it later does imply I'm suspicious but its not the same as calling you scum which you went on about in your next post "if players are scumreading me rawr probs scum or dumb"

So be coy all you want Bu. Imma look one way or another

[CheekyTeeky]

Though to be fair you voted me several times this game so I don't know why you'd have a problem with me hypothetically saying that you scumread me.

That's not the point. It was your reaction followed by a preemptively defensive post which youve just said was not targeted at me.

Also I haven't misread anyone besides the mod, and even then I was asking for clarification from others with set-up spec, I wasn't trying to figure out the mods alignment. If you're referring to ND well she misunderstood and warped my words so that was a fun misunderstanding orgie I managed to avoid responding to.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh damn was going to lynch Thor today.

I'd check Bu/Flicker

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Tails

RR any thoughts of scum on Ari wagon?

[CheekyTeeky]

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Aristophanes (8):	Tails (3364),	Elsa Jay (3404),	Thor665 (3441),	Malakittens (3448),	Jingle (3547),	Chickadee (3552),	Toogeloo (3562),	Flicker (3631),
Tails (6):	Reasonably Rational (2914),	Chara (3104),	Gamma Emerald (3361),	BuJaber (3482),	Aristophanes (3491),	CheekyTeeky (3511),
CheekyTeeky (2):	Light Ethos (2985),	Nancy Drew 39 (3312),
Not voting (0):

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

If Tails is scum I think it unlikely that he was the only one on the wagon.

[CheekyTeeky]

Still find it weird that Jingle/Gamma were on separate wagons. Also don't know what to make of Elsa changing the story on his claim quite a bit, but if they are a hider it will resolve itself like Chara said.

[CheekyTeeky]

You mean... Other than Thor?

Yeah. Sorry was thinking along groupscum lines.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol awww cute!

[CheekyTeeky]

Here's the convo: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0579537/quotes/qt0461838

[CheekyTeeky]

Maybe he's Sir Harrow?

https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&sourc ... 0IIl2TzbYv

If we're working off the assumption that chick doesn't get direct clues like images of the characters. Might be more informative after a tails flip.

[CheekyTeeky]

Well he's certainly not HoB could be the person being stabbed by Mal?

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle if you think Bu is Mal then do you think that Chicks clues are direct like do you think it means Tails is town too?

[CheekyTeeky]

Spoiler:

I don't wanna be aggressive, because if I'm aggressive I'll self vote and tell everyone to go fuck themselves because I don't wanna deal with any of your tunnels right now. I don't like playing with RC, I don't like being pushed for nothing scummy I did or because I'm being misinterpreted and I find your way of reading me through having me getting wagoned pretty annoying but I don't wanna be a dick so I'm not being one.

i wanna say this feels town

VOTE: the worst

obvscum

I don't know how I feel about agreeing with sky

am i that bad of a player? ):

bujaber's entrance feels town

thor showed up and is doing thor things so that's cool

rr wagon is eh but im not a fan of drixx posting

tora posting is still town

all my thoughts on mala this game, so I'm not accused of flip flopping:

VOTE: malakittens

there's no way you're both town

malakittens MQ thing is several sheeped opinions condensed in a scumpost

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just giving my thoughts on the game

I find the scumreads on elsa pretty odd and like the people doing so should know better

Do you view what I'm saying so far as expressing a scumread?

-Cerb

you wouldn't be questioning elsa if you weren't pinged by him, but I was talking about RC and malakittens. I like how both progressed with their posting and I like RC townreading mala after mala's big post about elsa that I also thought was towny.

I'm reading mala's ISO now and my thoughts about it remain the same as whatever I thought in real time. I don't like his start. I dislike #33 tonally but I have no patience to explain in any way why, it's just one of those things where the phrasing pings my radar. #89 felt to me like he was just copy/pasting stuff people said and making a scummy montage with it. and then I liked this:

It's an over dramatic serious response to a post that shouldn't even be taken super serious considering it's RC. I love RC, but he's a guy that plays off other people's reactions. Unless he's changed his playstyle in 2 years+.

Again, I don't see where someone who's been playing for over a year would blindly believe RC and think it's a real mason claim like off the bat. Then attack people for voting RC in a RVS stage.

I can't tell if you, Tora, are defending Elsa because you think elsa is a newbie that can't defend himself or it's motivated some other way.

the fact you say he's someone who didn't play with people who opened with fake claims. I wouldn't know how the site played back in 2017. I was on a leave during that time.

@elsa have you played with RC before?

cause I liked his thoughts about me here. it's a minor thing, he can be scum saying it for sure, but I backed off after this post.

I had the strong impression when people were pushing elsa, that scum had to be pushing elsa too cause he was so towny it made no sense that so many people were piling on him.

VOTE: malakittens

scummiest ISO in the game imo

lol okay so i dont like this whole preemptive defense thing

VOTE: toranaga

yeah lets do it, L-1 bb

VOTE: reasonably rational

VOTE: bujaber

876 is eh

tor + RC was tvt tho

nsg being prodded makes me want to vote nsg tbh

sorry work has been hectic

So skys reads make me think Chick, Bu, Tor aren't aligned with HoB. RR pretty much conf town. There are a lot of slots sky didn't comment on so I'm thinking we look there.

Removed internal spoiler tags from Toranaga's #560 to fix the quote tags (in order to avoid the VC script counting a vote on Toranga by mistake) ~ Almost50

[CheekyTeeky]

Oops^

[CheekyTeeky]

votecount

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Tails (1):

Reasonably Rational (3754),

Not voting (12):

Flicker,

Toogeloo,

Tails,

Chara,

RightNight,

Chickadee,

Jingle,

BuJaber,

CheekyTeeky,

Elsa Jay,

Malakittens,

Gamma Emerald,

(expired on 2018-11-15 18:45:00) remain.

Town
RR,

Unlikely HoB
ND/RN, BuJaber, Chick, ElsaJay, Jingle, Gamma

Possible
Tails, Flicker, Chara, Toog, Mala

Toog and Mala have both claimed in a way that makes it unlikely they're HoB but until we get more info (why is Mala not trying to lynch Mal (Bu softed this) and feel like apart from the LR claim there's nothing particularly towny about Toog).

Which leaves Tails, Flicker and Chara.if we consider it unlikely that a priest would be a HoB role then that leaves

Tails or Chara.

I have been townreading Chara though so yeah Tails it is..

[CheekyTeeky]

It'd be nice to have a quick day.

[CheekyTeeky]

Spoiler: Some D2 VCs

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

NicoRobin (1):

Elsa Jay (2018),

McMenno (1):

CheekyTeeky (2024),

Not voting (14):

Thor665,

Toogeloo,

NicoRobin,

Chara,

Nancy Drew Shogunate,

Chickadee,

Flicker,

Jingle,

BuJaber,

McMenno,

Reasonably Rational,

Malakittens,

Gamma Emerald,

northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

NicoRobin (1):

Elsa Jay (2018),

McMenno (1):

CheekyTeeky (2024),

BuJaber (1):

Toogeloo (2049),

Not voting (13):

Thor665,

Jingle,

Chara,

Nancy Drew Shogunate,

Chickadee,

Flicker,

NicoRobin,

BuJaber,

McMenno,

Reasonably Rational,

Malakittens,

Gamma Emerald,

northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (3):	CheekyTeeky (2024),	Elsa Jay (2079),	BuJaber (2082),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),
BuJaber (1):	Toogeloo (2049),
Not voting (10):	Jingle,	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Nancy Drew Shogunate,	Chickadee,	McMenno,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (3):	CheekyTeeky (2024),	Elsa Jay (2079),	BuJaber (2082),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),
Not voting (10):	Jingle,	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	McMenno,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (5):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (2):	CheekyTeeky (2024),	BuJaber (2082),
Not voting (9):	Jingle,	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (6):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),	CheekyTeeky (2221),
McMenno (1):	BuJaber (2082),
northsidegal (1):	Jingle (2223),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (4):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2273),
northsidegal (1):	Jingle (2223),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Flicker (2268),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (4):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2273),
Malakittens (2):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),
Reasonably Rational (1):	Jingle (2349),
Not voting (6):	NicoRobin,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (4):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2273),
Malakittens (2):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),
Not voting (7):	NicoRobin,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (4):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Elsa Jay (2445),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),
Not voting (7):	NicoRobin,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (6):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Elsa Jay (2445),	Gamma Emerald (2482),	Chickadee (2517),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),
Not voting (5):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (6):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Elsa Jay (2445),	Gamma Emerald (2482),	Chickadee (2517),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),
Not voting (5):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (7):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Gamma Emerald (2482),	Chickadee (2517),	McMenno (2535),	Toogeloo (2539),
McMenno (1):	BuJaber (2082),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Aristophanes (1):	CheekyTeeky (2555),
Not voting (6):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (5):	Chara (2395),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Chickadee (2517),	McMenno (2535),	Toogeloo (2539),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2609),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Not voting (7):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),	Gamma Emerald (2596),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (4):	Chara (2395),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),	Toogeloo (2539),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2609),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),	Gamma Emerald (2596),	Chickadee (2662),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2609),	Flicker (2613),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
NicoRobin (1):	Toogeloo (2743),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),	Gamma Emerald (2596),	Chickadee (2662),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (4):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	CheekyTeeky (2779),	Chickadee (2780),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2774),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Not voting (5):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),	Gamma Emerald (2596),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (5):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	CheekyTeeky (2779),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2774),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Not voting (4):	Tails,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (4):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2774),
Malakittens (1):	McMenno (2535),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Tails (1):	CheekyTeeky (2829),
Not voting (4):	Tails,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (4):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
McMenno (4):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),	CheekyTeeky (2867),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Malakittens (1):	McMenno (2535),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Not voting (4):	Tails,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (6):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),	CheekyTeeky (2867),	Chara (2905),	Jingle (2933),
Toogeloo (3):	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Aristophanes (1):	McMenno (2884),
Tails (1):	Reasonably Rational (2914),
Not voting (3):	Tails,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes (2912),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

Those are all the D2 VCs up until after I replaced in, so halfway through the day. Wagons go Nancy>Mala>Toog>McMenno. I entered in around the time things were shifting off of Toog, stating an intention to sheep. It's only after I entered and caused a ruckus that RR places their first vote and starts hard pushing my wagon. This was also when McMenno became the dominant wagon. And I looked back into D1 VCs, and they weren't hard pushing the slot like they said they were. Instead, they were on Flicker.

RR has been pretty clear about both his cases on you and flicker. The way he's been playing makes no sense as scum. Like unless he was super genius scum and believed that town had extra flavour hints in their role PM - and was even ballsy enough to make up his own flavour to share, then I don't believe he's scum.

It's more likely there was scum on your counterwagon. Also I'm not sure what the point of loading up all those VCs are as RR isn't voting in any of them until the last one.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't understand who Tails would be with the remaining town slots left to fill.

[CheekyTeeky]

I agree that tails is unlikely HoB if his BG claim is legit though

[CheekyTeeky]

But that Nico crumb was just ??? So like maybe it's just a good claim to fool town into thinking the role will resolve itself?

[CheekyTeeky]

votecount

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

NicoRobin (5):	Malakittens (1191),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (1197),	Reasonably Rational (1200),	Flicker (1207),	TPFKAP (1274),
Flicker (2):	northsidegal (153),	Chickadee (1241),
TPFKAP (2):	Elsa Jay (1266),	Thor665 (1275),
Reasonably Rational (1):	NicoRobin (473),
Elsa Jay (1):	Toogeloo (729),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Chara (776),
BuJaber (1):	Skygazer (881),
TFPKAP (1):	BuJaber (1258),
Jingle (1):	CheekyTeeky (1292),
Thor665 (1):	Jingle (1295),
Not voting (1):	randomidget,

(expired on 2018-10-16 02:00:00) remain.

The crumb looks like it either wasn't noticed or TPFKAP thought Nico was River.

[CheekyTeeky]

Guys last HoB is Chara. It explains why they're more active in thread today since they're alone in their pt now.

also i don't want to lynch McMenno, but i'm going to review your ISO for why you want him/Skygazer slot because i forgot, haha.

I haven't really explained yet. It's a combination of Sky's TMI read on chick in light of the TPFKAP flip + gut + his reaction to my list....which was literally deflection and disappearance.

It's ok if you guys don't listen to me though because it just makes my post-mcmenno-flip-I-told-you-so more satisfying. Would prefer if we put some real pressure there though.

and I would request cheekyteeky to stop spreading fake news about me or have their team shoot me tonight

Yuck.

*notes resistance to wagon*

Still following along. Still without internet

I'm starting to really struggle to remember the last relevant work you did in the thread.
What was your last major push?
If you've had zero major pushes - which day phase should we roughly anticipate one

*notes resistance to wagon*

Outside of McMeeno himself and me starting up the Nancy wagon, what resistance are you perceiving?
Elsa's shift seems highly natural considering her claimed role, and I've got no one else I can spot as resisting.
Are you complaining about my resistance?

Idk how useful this is but it's still bugging me that Toog is alive with no valid explanation.

I will give you the *exact* reason.

"The way the kills and protects interacted last night resulted in a situation where Toog lived."

Now, maybe that means there are a lot less kills than you think, or more protects, or maybe Toog is lying and his lightning rod includes some sort of auto-protect shtick. But that's really all we'll know unless you want to go with a massclaim or wait till near the end of the game.

Out of curiosity - I'm not sure what that info much gets us at this stage. Yeah, in a very conceptual sense it doesn't hurt to know how many kills to expect or what sort of protective utility we have, but theorizing about it without pushing for claims feels like a very interesting theory hole that will accomplish absolutely nothing for game solving, yeah?

Chara could be HoB :/

Elsa is a possibility too seeing as Thor noticed that wagon shift.

[CheekyTeeky]

We don't need to massclaim until we're losing. Hint: we're not losing.

[CheekyTeeky]

If we let Tails off the hook as HoB - he actually makes sense as Kayler

[CheekyTeeky]

Err Kaylee*

[CheekyTeeky]

She's super loyal to Serenity particularly to Mal.

[CheekyTeeky]

Im just thinking how the puzzle resolves itself if Tails is not HoB and Chara is.

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

[CheekyTeeky]

Personally, I don't think we have a vig. I think Ari was our "vig."

Im starting to agree with this, it would make sense for HoB to kill Thor but where did Thor's shot go? Unless he aimed for Elsa?

[CheekyTeeky]

Mala hope it gets better <3

[CheekyTeeky]

Personally, I don't think we have a vig. I think Ari was our "vig."

Im starting to agree with this, it would make sense for HoB to kill Thor but where did Thor's shot go? Unless he aimed for Elsa?

Shuttupayouface about what roles are likely to exist. We don't want to talk about that right before a potential massclaim.

Ughhhh. Noyou.

RR make a call on the massclaim please sir leader.

[CheekyTeeky]

Math have you read the claims/softs lists? This game can be broken on flavour, which is confirmed by town role PMs having their specific characters redacted.

[CheekyTeeky]

Important: There is a chance the game may end before you can accomplish your mission, so choose your victims wisely.

Guys what is this????

[CheekyTeeky]

If the HoB get River it could be game over.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh so it's a balance thing. Poor Thor.

[CheekyTeeky]

I kind of think the way we're going and with scum having to guess if we have a protective or not is actually better for town. If we massclaim and we find

A) we have no doc - just the BG
B) we out a protective

Then scum have no reason not to shoot whoever they please. I trust RR on Tails and either way we learn more about the setup/chicks clues with his flip.

I think it's really only beneficial to scum to massclaim at this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

Here's a good place for researching characters and traits:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... renityCrew

[CheekyTeeky]

River - The Empath: The majority of her psychic abilities center around sensing others' thoughts and intentions

[CheekyTeeky]

If we assume Chick is River then it makes sense that the person she's copping returns the persons intents rather than the person themself. i.e. TPFKAP sees his teammates rather than himself. Si getting videos of River/Simon seems very much linked to HoB or even anyone else looking for them.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think it's really weird that we have so many umprompted claims. Flicker/Tails are the only people who had reason to claim being at L-1.

Jingle why did you claim masons when you did?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok so because the game has died I'm fine massclaiming now. It's a little weird that the Tails wagon is all there is.

[CheekyTeeky]

zzzzzzzzzzz

[CheekyTeeky]

Can we either lynch Tails or massclaim?

[CheekyTeeky]

Can we either lynch Tails or massclaim?

Is there some connection between the two? Do you have reason to be fairly confident that Tails is HoB?

~ Nancy

Both progress this game. We're just running around in circles now. I have done what you're doing already.

[CheekyTeeky]

Serenity crew and allies managed to survive the night unscathed, but so did their enemies

Hmm.

[CheekyTeeky]

I would like BuJaber, Toog, Math/Nancy to full claim first.

[CheekyTeeky]

happy birthday Drixx!

Yeah this too. Have a good one

[CheekyTeeky]

why am i first? i was under the impression i was an HoB candidate. this has been proven false.

Yeah Chara/me are not first so gl

[CheekyTeeky]

I wouldn't mind going before RR/Chara but after the other nonclaimants.

[CheekyTeeky]

When claiming it would be good to know full role and what actions were taken N1-N3.

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle I feel like the non claimers going last are more likely to catch fake claims. If we claim our roles then any scum left can maneuver around us hence why I want the softs to clarify in full before proceeding. If we can't agree then whatever but I feel like there's logic in my stance on this particularly given chick's view of Tails.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok ty Toog

[CheekyTeeky]

BuJaber and hydra next

[CheekyTeeky]

Alright I'm going to claim because I'm impatient

[CheekyTeeky]

Is that ok?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok I'll wait.

[CheekyTeeky]

BuJaberrrrr where are youuuu

[CheekyTeeky]

Why would non claimers going last be more likely to catch fake claims?

@CT

Because the non claimers are the towniest people so if we counterclaim we have caught scums. I'm pretty sure someone will claim my role if given an out.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yep agree^ I'll let Buj slide I think he may have town told.

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle I'll explain my concerns when we're done claiming. I'll go after the hydra.

[CheekyTeeky]

No flavour hints in the role PM like "a part of the serenity crew"? No modifiers?

[CheekyTeeky]

BuJaber and hydra next

I already claimed enabler. The redacted part should be freaking obvious to anyone who has ISO’d my slot’s posts from the getgo. Obviously the redacted part, was doc.

~Nancy

Also who did you protect each night?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok I'm a compulsive Doc who can only protect from 1- kill
N1 - Doc'd Chara
N2 - Doc'd RR
N3 - Doc'd RR

I had "a member of the serenity crew" in my role PM,

[CheekyTeeky]

Chara you're next

[CheekyTeeky]

But why weren’t you suspicious when Elsa claimed to have protected you?

Because I can only protect from 1-kill, thought I'd be stronger if I was the real Simon. Anyway I wasn't outting at that stage of the game regardless.

[CheekyTeeky]

... You can't only protect from one, otherwise the HoB and Thor would have killed Toog.

Hence why I thought another doc was possible but then the JKs flipped and you changed your claim so le shrug.

[CheekyTeeky]

Mal {}
Kaylee {RK, Chara}
Wash {Jingle}
Zoe {GE}
Book {Flicker}
Simon {CT}
River {Chick, Toog}
Inara {Chara, Chick, Toog}

I think only Chick makes sense as River tbh. Toog doesn't really fit anyone but Inara or the ship itself unless Mal? But I'm pretty sure there has to be a Vig because of the D3 opening flavour. So...that would leave RR as Mal/vig.

[CheekyTeeky]

Would I know if my role had an enabler? I think it more likely that the LR needs an enabler. So if I had to pick people for scum from the claims then I'd say the enabler/LR don't quite fit unless the two 3ps are scum and Chara is also scum which I can't see right now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Basically I think it best if we lynch in Toog/Chara today as they double up twice and it's game solved. Or we could lynch the 3ps but I see no benefit to that today.

[CheekyTeeky]

If both toog/chara flip town Id be more critical of the masons and Buj.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah pretty sure I'm the NK now so forgive my solve spew.

Pedit yeah but it makes no sense to be compulsive and enabled right?

[CheekyTeeky]

Hm. Buj could maybe, MAYBE, be Inara.

Why would he claim some obscure character instead of inara.

[CheekyTeeky]

My problem with the enabler being for the doc is that it just doesn't make sense storyline wise. Like the only person who would enable simon is River but I still hold that Chick makes the most sense as River. If Chick could check either the masons or toog or chara I think that would help confirm the direction of the lynch. I do agree that we shouldn't be trying to lynch Mal though.

[CheekyTeeky]

Or check the hydra.

[CheekyTeeky]

We've all claimed so there's no point questionning if there are other docs etc - but I was almost50 certain that we have a vig so idk. I think if anyone changes their claim we lynch all liars at this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

Targeting Chick doesn't nessesarily mean she was a kill target does it?

[CheekyTeeky]

Simon - CheekyTeeky (even though her role PM has "member of the crew," which doesn't seem to fit)

This is why I lowkey suspect the masons because Chara and I could be those characters. I could be zoe and chara could be wash but there's no other protective claims that nullify my being the actual doctor. I think A50 might've just said "a part of the serenity crew" randomly for any main character on the ship so it could be that you're all reading too much into the flavour.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah agee with Bu on the JK on Chick.

[CheekyTeeky]

It will be good when I get shot actually because you will get to see my flavour which should help silence other doubts about other slots or there being a another doc which is a ridiculous theory when everyone has claimed. I think we lynch Mala today to protect Mal and give her a break and then lynch the hydra because they won't have any roles to enable if I am dead. If I flip something not Simon that'll actually help more than flipping Simon but it seems unlikely at this point. Good luck guys Im pretty confident town wins now.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Mala

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't agree with this plan. I'm pretty damn confident Mala is telling the truth.. unless that confidence gets shattered by something happening, why kill the non-threat when we know for sure there's a living threat?

It's both a mercy kill and hopefully a night full of info. We should expedite the night again.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: RightKnight

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: RightKnight

If we’re lynched, then how can you or the other doc, protect anyone tonight?

I don't really care. It's interesting that you resort to holding my role hostage as a rebuttal to my vote instead of showing us how you could possibly fit in with the town. All you've done is confuse the shit out of me with your setup spec nonsense, which I read as a scumtell for Math.

[CheekyTeeky]

Mala can only win by lynching. As I understand it she cannot win by Mal being NK'd. I feel like Mala getting mad at this game is a little strange for someone who knew what the deal was when she claimed. I don't want to be inflammatory though so if you all think she's not a good lynch today that's fine.

[CheekyTeeky]

I feel like scum is squirming somewhere in the mess of the last few pages.

[CheekyTeeky]

RK is NOT a town doc enabler, but instead flips as scum... then we are in a world where CT shifts to probscum.

This is incredibly bad reasoning. I'm voting RK BECAUSE they don't fit with me. I'm a doc who protected you because you've been my only solid town read this game. Regardless of RKs flip there is no connection to my alignment.

[CheekyTeeky]

In what world do you ever effing lynch me? Ugh so mad right now. Like who else is simon?

[CheekyTeeky]

It's so silly that after all the effort I've put in and after finally claiming people still think I'm scum. Like I can't do much and I think it's more indignation at being scumread over the double up slots and the possibility that RR is scum who Ive been derp protecting. I stand by lynching in the doubles/hydra/3ps and if you're going to tinfoil me out of the game you should feel bad for incredibly bad reasoning and bad scumhunting skills.

[CheekyTeeky]

I will admit I'm a little emotional atm. Just disappointed I guess.

[CheekyTeeky]

I will admit I'm a little emotional atm. Just disappointed I guess.

Why? weren’t you saying that you were probably going to be the NK tonight, so in what world are you ever in any danger of being lynched?

~N

I'm emotional due to RL. I am expecting to be the NK I'm just frustrated at being scumread.

[CheekyTeeky]

i thought this, but then who would Mal and Kaylee be?
and Jingle did sort of conftown himself anyway by knowing what the missing flavour was. no one said it beforehand.

I thought there was a vig and that was RR who would make sense as Mal. I think if Kaylee was an enabler she would make more sense enabling any role aside from doc really. So from the claims the LR could be Mal or even RR still. No idea on who Kaylee would be? Will relook at the claims and scenarios. Yeah I'd assume Jingle/Gamma town until all the other lynch suspects flip town.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think if Kaylee was an enabler she would make more sense enabling any role aside from doc really.

It's not a stretch really. Kaylee and Simon are intertwined, and in the movie Simon even says his only regret was not being with Kaylee romantically. That being said, I don't understand how Chick's scan could even remotely be a link to Kaylee.

Oh that's a great point.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Elsa

[CheekyTeeky]

I think I'd rather lynch the other 3ps like Mala or Buj though. Elsa has at least tried and I don't think a lot of what he's done makes sense as scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: BuJaber

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle mentioned he talks to Almost I'm sure some of you do as well. He thinks it funny that I'm so close and getting hung NOW of all times is funny.

Actually...Jingle has a mason PT that's why A50 talks to them. Have you got a PT?

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle you wanted this massclaim to solve the game so who have yoy PoE'd it down to?

[CheekyTeeky]

Effing Tor.

[CheekyTeeky]

We thought River would be doc protected

I thought the wifom would save her thankfully it did.

[CheekyTeeky]

A50 thank you so much for hosting this game it's definitely one of my favs. I really enjoyed this.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah I prefer smaller games too. But I have to say the games I've found to be the most fun D1 are larges. I'll put this game up there with once upon a time and Team Mafia in terms of whiplash fun D1.