Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[RightKnight]

/confirm

#noTimeToReadShit

Nancy caught me up some but would love your guys’s opinions.

[RightKnight]

/confirm

#noTimeToReadShit

Nancy caught me up some but would love your guys’s opinions.

~~Castle (Math)

[RightKnight]

Yeah, except mine is far more likely.
Scum images = scum
Town images = town.

Yours is less likely
Scum images = scum
Town images = scum

You see those as identically likely?

Thor is scum here. This is a huge misrepresentation of what we’re saying. There are several pieces of weak evidence. Since Chickadee claimed flavor cop, then it cannot be as simple as what he’s suggesting, and town!Thor would totally not make that mistake. It’s just a regular cop in that case. Bad logic, low (but opportunistic) level of posting and outrageous misrepresentation. This is Thor as scum.

Consider the implications and just how much opposition there was to lynching the only slot with a case against it.

S/he who has eyes to see...

~D

I'll just leave this here.

Thor being Reaver confirms some of the setup speculation we had and confirmation that he's scum like I thought means we have some checking on other things to do.

I think there's sufficient reasons to believe Chickadee is town and honest here, so good job whomever presumably saved her life. Given Thor's insistence on pushing the idea above, I feel even more confident that the clues she gets will be at right angles to what the person is.

@Chick - Obviously check whomever you want, but we could probably benefit from a check if you don't have a better idea.

~D

Oooh hi.

Wanna be Reasonably Knight and show me some of that prior spec?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

First off, high fives to Ari on that vengekill - great choice.

Next, Thor's role PM means he was an SK, right? Anybody want to claim his kill?

Finally, are we doing a mass claim today?

Thor was obviously scum to anyone who has played with him in even a couple games. I mean ... I called it with certainty and my standard for certainty is really high.

I'm not 100% convinced there would be only one reaver, but it definitely is an SK win con. At first it appeared unfair but I think the warning is meant to get him to realize that if all of us who are aligned with Serenity are killed, then he would lose because of the other scum and thus he should be motivated to try and find and kill them first.

I'm not sure a mass claim is a great idea with 3 flipped scum and only 1 flipped town. I mean ... I suppose it should be considered given how many people have vomited claims already but ...

~D

Mass claim should only be used if a majority of people forgot their pants or if we are in dire straights.

Based on flips no way in hell the last is true. And I am hoping people liked pants?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Yeah, except mine is far more likely.
Scum images = scum
Town images = town.

Yours is less likely
Scum images = scum
Town images = scum

You see those as identically likely?

Thor is scum here. This is a huge misrepresentation of what we’re saying. There are several pieces of weak evidence. Since Chickadee claimed flavor cop, then it cannot be as simple as what he’s suggesting, and town!Thor would totally not make that mistake. It’s just a regular cop in that case. Bad logic, low (but opportunistic) level of posting and outrageous misrepresentation. This is Thor as scum.

Consider the implications and just how much opposition there was to lynching the only slot with a case against it.

S/he who has eyes to see...

~D

I'll just leave this here.

Thor being Reaver confirms some of the setup speculation we had and confirmation that he's scum like I thought means we have some checking on other things to do.

I think there's sufficient reasons to believe Chickadee is town and honest here, so good job whomever presumably saved her life. Given Thor's insistence on pushing the idea above, I feel even more confident that the clues she gets will be at right angles to what the person is.

@Chick - Obviously check whomever you want, but we could probably benefit from a check if you don't have a better idea.

~D

Oooh hi.

Wanna be Reasonably Knight and show me some of that prior spec?

~~Castle

I'm on the way out and will be phone bound for like 10 hours. If nobody else has gone back and quoted out the spec that's in game, I'll try and do it within 24 hours. We have some more in our hydra conversations that we haven't brought into the game yet. You know how Cerb and I are with that though.

~D

Yep so see you in 72 years (sarcastic)

Looking forward to it

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

oh Mathblade, hi! somehow i missed you in that hydra. long time no see.

Just joined Nancy. Am hydraing with Nancy.

Don’t expect a lot. Working full time and car wreck stuff. Yes I am fine but don’t expect hyper me.

~~Castle (Math)

[RightKnight]

i'm upset that Almost made me town in a game that seems to be majority non-town.
hell, i even rolled town in a 20-some player large where i was the sole member. i suppose in comparison to that this is preferable.

At least it isn’t undertake lolz

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Pi!!!!

Mala!!!!!!

~~Castle (Math)

[RightKnight]

No nevermind flicker/Nancy way better checks.

For the record I only thought this after LE's flip, because I admit I was townreading thor pretty hard.

But menno was scum and you guys still wanted to waste our time with nonsense.

Tails is still suspect in my book.

Also why does chick have to be town RR? She could be honest and scum.

It's a good scum PR to have in multiball.

Pedit - I say check flicker or nancy.

I don't think I need to be checked, but apparently I'm not as obvtown as I thought I would be to everyone by now.

I mean look at all the crumbing and talking about Mala. What kind of scum motivation am I going for to locktown someone who had barely posted at the time?

Why would you want me checked in particular? You were hardtown reading us until very recently? What changed?

We will of course have to wait for Elsa/Tails to claim who they targeted but for you to doubt

both

Chick and us, is concerning - when EJ hinted that he would either protect us or Jingle/Gamma and suggested Tails protect Chick. No town was killed yesterday and based on what EJ posted EOD, your post makes no sense wrt Chick/me.

~Nancy

The only thing I feel fairly confident about is that if EJ hadn’t had strongly hinted he’d protect us, I’m pretty sure we’d be dead now. My guess? Scum expected EJ to likely save one of either Chick or me and he saved the right one. That’s the only thing I think that explains why there was no townkill last night.

As for Thor, my first reaction was that Cheeky was right about a vig being in this game but then I realized that Mafia could also account for it. Skygazer also likely spewed Chick town with his scumslip. If Ari/Tails weren’t the lead wagons, I would have switched my vote back to LE. I was also really out of it on D2. Thankfully, I am seeing things a lot more clearly now.

I was saying to Math, that you seemed almost a bit upset? Which is kind of pinging me for some reason.

[RightKnight]

it matters. i think it was right to not lynch Mala earlier even though i wanted to. if we can eliminate Elsa without using up a mislynch that's one more town-controlled kill for us.
i want town Elsa to know that removing himself from the game is better than being lynched, for town.

i'm not looking forward to rereading this game to see who defended/soft-defended Ethos slot besides me and Rational, but it's a good idea.

Cheeky I think?

[RightKnight]

Oh.

Elsa Jay, target last night?
Tails, target last night?
-Cerb

Honestly I might as well say fuck it and claim my full role finally. The real Simon hasnt come out yet and they healed Toog N1. I'm saying this since 3 scum are dead.

My real (and final claim) role is Ascetic 1-BP hider. I hid on Thor last night and lost my BP.

What?

[RightKnight]

let's check Jaber.

pedit: love you, Nancy.

D’awwe. Same. <3

[RightKnight]

I thought McMenno claimed Mal.

the wagon on me is obviously a scum fabrication to

slander my name and take the head of a virtuous town player.

Could be reading to much into this but I thought it was a really weird statement unless he was trolling. Thought it might point to some kind of "captain" role idk.

@Chara

[RightKnight]

No massclaim yet. Didn't expect a double scumflip with none of our 'conf'town dying yesterday.

We near 100% want to hit the last HOB today, because we have the most information there.

I'd like to have us targeted to hopefully shed light on the method A50 is using to convey info to Chick.

Flicker is an objectively bad lynch and an only slightly better check, imo. Lemme grab the playerlist. I have some thinking to do.

What did you expect?

~~Math

[RightKnight]

What changed is Elsa no longer claims 3p and chara has been sounding townier with time.
My townread on you was closely related to those 2 players.

I never bought into your reasons for townreading us btw. I always tend to be very skeptical of one of X is scum theories. RC and Tora intensely dislike each other. I always thought that reading anything more into that was silly.

Anyway, Elsa not being doc, doesn’t change the fact that no town was killed last night. So, if you don’t think it was Chick/me/Jingle/Gamma who were protected than who? RR maybe? Because there is definitely a town doc in this setup or Toog would have likely been killed N1, like he thought, so I was 100% right about that.

Why? Because 0 kills N1 backed up Toog’s LR claim and Toog not dying makes 0 sense, without town doc. Not bg or jailkeep but straight up doc.

[RightKnight]

i wanted to vote chicka but i feel like 10 is town spewy

idk who I am

Sky blatantly scumslipped.

[RightKnight]

Why? Because 0 kills N1 backed up Toog’s LR claim and Toog not dying makes 0 sense, without town doc. Not bg or jailkeep but straight up doc.

Not necessarily. The fact that Thor's NK target was stopped is more powerful evidence of a town protective since the Ethos flip.

I agree.

~N

[RightKnight]

that was @ math, btw.

Lol, that was my post.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

and I would request cheekyteeky to stop spreading fake news about meor have their team shoot me tonight

hey, I'm also technically retired.

Wait when TF was McMenno a Wagon and why? XD

It seems I missed that!

the wagon on me is obviously a scum fabrication to slander my name and take the head of a virtuous town player.

now that I think about it, my vanity vote is better server VOTE: CheekyTeeky

McMeno and Cheeky unaligned or possible distancing?

[RightKnight]

also in light of this let's never lynch Elsa. like Ari, Elsa can make the brave, noble sacrifice of suiciding to flip a scum. potentially.

pedit: ok, excellent.

Almost: so far, disappointed with the Overkill title. this game is severely lacking in blood. i'm going to assume this our fault and not yours.

Let's never lynch Elsa? Hider's do *nothing* to help flip scum. All she does is keep from getting shot herself. I don't understand your reasoning here, help me.

-Cerb

Depends on which variant Elsa is
@Elsa, are you the weak variant of hider?

Don’t weak roles automatically die when they visit scum?

[RightKnight]

Their reticence and lack of the (as we view it) possibly clearing awareness displayed by cheeky, jingles, and

chara

makes them more likely to be scum than town.

Can you expand on Chara here?

Interesting bait and switch to Chara.

Chara likely spewed town by this, I think?

[RightKnight]

Still find it weird that Jingle/Gamma were on separate wagons. Also don't know what to make of Elsa changing the story on his claim quite a bit, but if they are a hider it will resolve itself like Chara said.

EJ was trying to draw the NK, perhaps? Elsa, who did you hide behind N1?

~Nancy

I always forget to sign.

[RightKnight]

So I just looked it up for kicks and Netflix has the Serenity movie
Would I be fine watching it without seeing the show first?

Hulu has Firefly, btw, iirc.

Youtube has several episodes for free.

[RightKnight]

I hereby declare that I shall die on the 2nd day of 2nd month in year 2022, so I'd get to be with Ace. <2

I can’t help thinking this is a message signalling to the traitor.

Also, from the extremely limited knowledge I have of the characters, I really don’t see River as bg.

Tails, who did you bg last night?

I don’t know whether he’s HoB or not but I’m extremely skeptical of the bg claim.

[RightKnight]

Gamma Emerald - Mason w/Jingle - Confirmed PT, cannot be HoB.
Jingle - Mason w/Gamma
Flicker - priest - Confirmed role D1
Chickadee - Thief
Malakittens - Lyncher
Toogeloo - Lightning Rod
Elsa Jay - Ascetic 1X Bulletproof Hider
BuJaber - softed town ability that fucks with Lyncher, possible Mal result from Chick

CheekyTeeky - softed town something via role PM convo (Probably not HoB because Menno Tunnel)
Reasonably Rational - softed town something via role PM convo (Maybe conftown from PM interactions, needs consideration, corroborating evidence. Probs not HoB.)

Chara - softed town something via role PM convo?
RightKnight - Town Enabler
Tails - Bodyguard

TPFKAP - flipped HoB traitor
Aristophanes - flipped Jayne/vengeful town
Light Ethos - Flipped HoB #1
Thor665 - flipped SK

So, reasonably I can only see Tails,

ThePerpetualHydra

, or maaaaaybe Chara as HoB. I don't particularly want to dig up associations to check to see if ToraNancyDrewBlade makes any sense as a partner. Blade's 'townspewing Chara' argument is good enough for me for now.

VOTE: Tails

Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one.

I can understand Tails but not me or Chara. My role doesn’t even make any sense with that. I’m assuming it’s connected to some character with a supportive helper role of some kind? Any ideas who we might be?

Oh and again, that was me. Lol. Math’s better at signing. Lmao @ “perpetual hydra”.

[RightKnight]

I will admit it might not be river, but

the tone of the videos I got was very focused on river, and very focused on saving. Not hunting. Could be Simon. Still town.

And

there's a line in my role pm that says the hints are things that I am involved in somehow definitely make me think a crew of the Serenity.

Do you still think this Chick?

But I think bg claim is bogus.

If Tails, were to hardclaim Doc, then Jingle’s candidates for HoB need to be revamped.

I tried to google HoB but I couldn’t find very much.

I’m wondering if Chick might be River?

[RightKnight]

You're in the pool because we can't confirm enabler without your flip. FWIW, I don't think you should finish claiming yet, because the WIFOM of whether you are or aren't a good kill/enabler/town is great for town regardless of whether you're town if there are multiple killing roles still in the game.

No, my question is why the pool isn’t larger. I think the only claim that has been verified at all, is Chick. As we found out with Elsa, his doc claim was bs, so I’m not automatically accepting any of them, without some evidence. And if Bujaber is Mal, then who the hell is Mala in the story?

Any rate, I think RR is obvtown here, Chata, I’ve already explained. Don’t see HoB claiming town hider. Toog, mechanically confirmed by LR, I think. Your predecessor TW, seemed town and Sky at one point called him “obvscum”.

Tails could be scum and Chick possibly misconstrued the message?

[RightKnight]

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/1SsljIr

Maybe this explains it?

[RightKnight]

Alright so we're all on the same page here, this is what I got when I copped Nico/Tails. My focus went to the second video more than the first because it seems more significant.

I think you got 2 videos for a reason and both are significant.

Nico/Tails could be Simon/River or HoB, from this.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

sorry I'm not really "in" to well like, life, right now

my reads are about as solid as a jelly pudding

I don't have any hard townreads

mala,

nsg

, cheeky, the other n shogunate

??? are all like. bad. kill them

[RightKnight]

I want BJ to explain this odds thing to me. I understand Chicky and me going back down to similar odds as McMenno. What I don't understand is how that makes me a stronger scum read than the guy he's been sitting on all day. Either his McMenno case is just as flimsy, or he has a BS in math.

Objection!

No one has a bullshit on me! XD

~~Math (I am catching up)

[RightKnight]

Toog and Mala have both claimed in a way that makes it unlikely they're HoB but until we get more info (why is Mala not trying to lynch Mal (Bu softed this) and feel like apart from the LR claim there's nothing particularly towny about Toog).

I do want to lynch Mal, but i dont know if town would be willing to lynch Bu to let me out of the game. I'm one against the remaining players

Huh? What? Are you saying lynch yourself and you’re 3P?

~~Math

**confused**

[RightKnight]

You're in the pool because we can't confirm enabler without your flip. FWIW, I don't think you should finish claiming yet, because the WIFOM of whether you are or aren't a good kill/enabler/town is great for town regardless of whether you're town if there are multiple killing roles still in the game.

Almost nothing is confirmable. This statement pings me hard but Nancy assured me you’re masons with Gamma and not scummates with him. But this pings me something fierce. Jingle’s better than this and last time he tried to pitch optimal strategy he pitched a bad one and was scum and still insisted it was better post game.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

I don't know.

That's why I wanted to be investigated. Because we don't have a frame of reference for what a town result looks like. We have a scum result and two question marks.

A mason claim wants to be investigated? Isn’t that really antitown?

**confused**

I am gonna talk with Nancy stuff doesn’t add up.

Maybe it’s the pain relievers

~~Math

[RightKnight]

So are you doubting Chickadee's results or are you just trying to get rid of some town to make things more interesting for yourself?

I don't think Chick's result is a clear or a guilty. S'why I wanted to be investigated.

More to the point, I have narrowed down the last HoB to a pool of 5 players (at least in my humble opinion). I was townreading two of them. One of the others told me the last was not a Menno partner and I have no reason to disbelieve the argument because it's either true or the person asserting it has no reason to lie.

Now, I should go through and reread you. I should go through and reread Menno, NDS and company, Chara, CT, and RR as well. But all of the little evidence points to you, I know you're capable of pulling my heartstrings to not want to lynch you, and the people I trust most say it's probably you. So I'm being lazy.

If I thought there wasn't a large chance of you flipping scum here, I wouldn't vote you.

You do get points for going after RR instead of RK, though.

Anyone, ISOing McMenno could clearly see that he was pushing us, so the only way we could possibly be the remaining HoB, is if you think McMenno was bussing us.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

Interesting. Was TPFKAP possibly distancing here?

Like, just look at this, let's even accept that Nancy honestly thought TPFKAP knew exactly who their teammates were.
Is she *agreeing* that this is distancing?
Is she *disagreeing*?
Is she discussing her personal thoughts on anything?
Or is she making noise and hoping someone else will attack a slot for something?

Pedit: I am fine with you not wanting to mine. But at that stage YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN THE DEBATE AS FAR AS IT CAN GO BECAUSE BUJABER ISN'T GOING TO CLAIM SCUM IF HE'S FAKING HIS THEORY.

I agree you can decided this for yourself and get back to us - I fail to see the point of the debate in helping you, he stated his theory, you noted your hole - thus endeth the excitement.

Sheep me on Nancy Drew?

She’s a Martyr. Isn’t that the definition of a martyr? They know who their teammates are but not the other way around? I know that was the case for scum!Wisdom in Labrynth.

I don't believe you're just playing dumb... I've only seen one player be this tonedeaf about roles

VOTE: nancy drew shogunate

sorry for not being "in"to this game, some rough days

sorry I'm not really "in" to well like, life, right now

my reads are about as solid as a jelly pudding

I don't have any hard townreads

mala, nsg, cheeky, the other n shogunate??? are all like. bad. kill them

[RightKnight]

You do get points for going after RR instead of RK, though.

RK's claim doesn't really make sense to me, but I don't think they're Menno's partner. So not really interested in there right now.

What about it doesn’t make sense to you? We enable an important town utility. It would obviously make perfect sense to you and everyone else in the game, if we fullclaimed but I’m trying not to increase our odds of being NK’d.

I don’t know much about the story, so I have no idea, which character makes sense with my role. Maybe Chick checking us, would help clarify that?

~N

Tora actually did watch Firefly, unfortunately I am not currently in contact with him and never asked him if he had any ideas on what our flavour could possibly be. :/

[RightKnight]

m

Gamma- Zoe
Jingle- Wash
Ari- Jayne
Flicker- Book
River- Chick
Mal- Buj?
Simon- Presumed Protective
Kaylee-
Inara-

If Elsa's town Inara would make the most sense. If you're town you'd pretty much have to be Simon, which would mean that there's no additional protective for town and last night was wonky. Enabler could be Kaylee, I suppose, but I can't think of what she'd enable unless you're fakeclaiming.

Yes, this is why I’m having trouble with the bg claim, because if Tails bg’d Chick, then who did scum!Thor target last night then? Because we know whomever he targeted didn’t die, so maybe whomever Simon is, must have protected me then?

So, if Tails is telling the truth about being both bg and protecting Chick, then we must have been the target.

~N

[RightKnight]

P.rdit thanks Jingle, I’ll google Kaylee.

[RightKnight]

Enabler for Mal's role could be Inara, I suppose.

Okay, I checked both of them. Maybe Inara makes a bit more sense? It says Kaylee is a mechanic or something? The thing is, we weren’t given any specific information on

how

our role enables, so not knowing the story makes it hard to figure that out. I’m not sure if either of these really fit though.

Or maybe, we weren’t the target because it makes more sense for HoB to want to kill us but I suppose I could also see why a Reaver might also want us dead too. \_0_/

~N

[RightKnight]

Enabler for Mal's role could be Inara, I suppose.

Okay, I checked both of them. Maybe Inara makes a bit more sense? It says Kaylee is a mechanic or something? The thing is, we weren’t given any specific information on

how

our role enables, so not knowing the story makes it hard to figure that out. I’m not sure if either of these really fit though.

Or maybe, we weren’t the target because it makes more sense for HoB to want to kill us but I suppose I could also see why a Reaver might also want us dead too. \_0_/

~N

Scum!Thor knew we were an enabler, so I’m probably wrong about this, since it actually does make perfect sense for him to have targetted me then, so Simon must have saved me last night, unless he saved Tails? But there 100% has to be a full doc in the setup, because Thor obviously couldn’t have targeted Chick or Tails would be dead. Unless Tails’ claim is bogus but would there really be both a full doc and a bg on the setup?

[RightKnight]

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.

No, I think Simon 100% had to have healed Thor’s target, otherwise we would have had a town death last night.

[RightKnight]

Nice scum claim. Someone killed Thor. Thor's kill is missing. Where did it go? The obvious place is where you claim to have been a BG, so why are you alive?

Why does it have to be Tails? Why couldn't someone else be fake claiming? Why couldn't it be in some of the softs/unclaimed? If it was a scum cross kill, it doesn't surprise me that no one has come forward.

Couldn’t there possibly be a townvig who is lying low, to prevent being NK’d?

I don’t think no one coming forward, makes this impossible.

[RightKnight]

I protected Chickadee last night.

Also looked at VCs. Pretty sure RR is last HoB, but I think you guys need the visual evidence to understand why. One sec.

Nice scum claim. Someone killed Thor. Thor's kill is missing. Where did it go? The obvious place is where you claim to have been a BG, so why are you alive?

Spoiler: Some D2 VCs

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

NicoRobin (1):

Elsa Jay (2018),

McMenno (1):

CheekyTeeky (2024),

Not voting (14):

Thor665,

Toogeloo,

NicoRobin,

Chara,

Nancy Drew Shogunate,

Chickadee,

Flicker,

Jingle,

BuJaber,

McMenno,

Reasonably Rational,

Malakittens,

Gamma Emerald,

northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

NicoRobin (1):

Elsa Jay (2018),

McMenno (1):

CheekyTeeky (2024),

BuJaber (1):

Toogeloo (2049),

Not voting (13):

Thor665,

Jingle,

Chara,

Nancy Drew Shogunate,

Chickadee,

Flicker,

NicoRobin,

BuJaber,

McMenno,

Reasonably Rational,

Malakittens,

Gamma Emerald,

northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (3):	CheekyTeeky (2024),	Elsa Jay (2079),	BuJaber (2082),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),
BuJaber (1):	Toogeloo (2049),
Not voting (10):	Jingle,	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Nancy Drew Shogunate,	Chickadee,	McMenno,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (3):	CheekyTeeky (2024),	Elsa Jay (2079),	BuJaber (2082),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),
Not voting (10):	Jingle,	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	McMenno,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (5):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (2):	CheekyTeeky (2024),	BuJaber (2082),
Not voting (9):	Jingle,	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (6):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),	CheekyTeeky (2221),
McMenno (1):	BuJaber (2082),
northsidegal (1):	Jingle (2223),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (4):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2273),
northsidegal (1):	Jingle (2223),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Flicker (2268),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (4):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2273),
Malakittens (2):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),
Reasonably Rational (1):	Jingle (2349),
Not voting (6):	NicoRobin,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (4):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2273),
Malakittens (2):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),
Not voting (7):	NicoRobin,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (4):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Elsa Jay (2445),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),
Not voting (7):	NicoRobin,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (6):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Elsa Jay (2445),	Gamma Emerald (2482),	Chickadee (2517),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),
Not voting (5):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (6):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Elsa Jay (2445),	Gamma Emerald (2482),	Chickadee (2517),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (3):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno (2197),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2272),
Not voting (5):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	northsidegal,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (7):	Chara (2395),	Flicker (2396),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Gamma Emerald (2482),	Chickadee (2517),	McMenno (2535),	Toogeloo (2539),
McMenno (1):	BuJaber (2082),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Aristophanes (1):	CheekyTeeky (2555),
Not voting (6):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (5):	Chara (2395),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	Chickadee (2517),	McMenno (2535),	Toogeloo (2539),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2609),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Not voting (7):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),	Gamma Emerald (2596),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Malakittens (4):	Chara (2395),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),	Toogeloo (2539),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2609),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),	Gamma Emerald (2596),	Chickadee (2662),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	CheekyTeeky (2609),	Flicker (2613),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
NicoRobin (1):	Toogeloo (2743),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes,	Jingle (2402),	Elsa Jay (2547),	Gamma Emerald (2596),	Chickadee (2662),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (4):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	CheekyTeeky (2779),	Chickadee (2780),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2774),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Not voting (5):	NicoRobin,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),	Gamma Emerald (2596),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (5):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	CheekyTeeky (2779),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2774),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Not voting (4):	Tails,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (4):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
McMenno (3):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2774),
Malakittens (1):	McMenno (2535),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Tails (1):	CheekyTeeky (2829),
Not voting (4):	Tails,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (4):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
McMenno (4):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),	CheekyTeeky (2867),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Malakittens (1):	McMenno (2535),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Not voting (4):	Tails,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (6):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),	CheekyTeeky (2867),	Chara (2905),	Jingle (2933),
Toogeloo (3):	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Aristophanes (1):	McMenno (2884),
Tails (1):	Reasonably Rational (2914),
Not voting (3):	Tails,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes (2912),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

Those are all the D2 VCs up until after I replaced in, so halfway through the day. Wagons go Nancy>Mala>Toog>McMenno. I entered in around the time things were shifting off of Toog, stating an intention to sheep. It's only after I entered and caused a ruckus that RR places their first vote and starts hard pushing my wagon. This was also when McMenno became the dominant wagon. And I looked back into D1 VCs, and they weren't hard pushing the slot like they said they were. Instead, they were on Flicker.

Read our ISO and stop bullshitting. I'm going to seriously just remove filters and start talking to you like you deserve if you keep making shit up. I literally dived into the thread near the end of day 1 in order to drop the info that I was convinced that NicoRobin (your predecessor on the slot) was scum. You can whinge all you want about votes but this entire game knows us and trying to push the idea that we weren't scum reading your slot prior to your entry because a vote wasn't there is horse shit and scummy as fuck.

ESPECIALLY

because we already had this conversation yesterday.

Know who

else

I dove into the thread to post they were scum in case we got killed off? Thor. Know who else you can read in our hydra PT after the game I was on to from the moment they replaced in? LE.

You're more scummy from your entrance into today than all the small bits of evidence yesterday. Reading through all that bullshit made me slightly nauseated. That wasn't even close to good or plausible thought processes. Literally the only good play you made in all of that was to come after us instead of an easier target, and even that's a shit play because it's just OMGUS.

~D

Yeah, actually that would make a lot of sense, if you were Thor’s target. So probably Simon must have protected you then not us?

But no way was Elsa directly targeted because he would be dead then, with being a 1-shot bp hider behind Thor. So, I think in any case, we can 100% lock down that Simon healed whomever scum!Thor targeted last night. All the evidence backs that up.

[RightKnight]

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.

No, I think Simon 100% had to have healed Thor’s target, otherwise we would have had a town death last night.

I claimed Hider now. I lost the BP going onto Thor. If they attacked my slot they wouldn't have hit anything.

Oh right, yes that could explain it but we both agree that there has to be a doc in the game, or why isn’t Toog dead? Nico was MIA, so who healed on N1?

[RightKnight]

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.

No, I think Simon 100% had to have healed Thor’s target, otherwise we would have had a town death last night.

I claimed Hider now. I lost the BP going onto Thor. If they attacked my slot they wouldn't have hit anything.

Oh right, yes that could explain it but we both agree that there has to be a doc in the game, or why isn’t Toog dead? Nico was MIA, so who healed on N1?

N1 No Kill, points to 99.9999% being doc, because even if you believe Tails’ claim, I think all available evidence points to Nico not having healed jack on N1, so a full doc isn’t a 100% confirmed but close enough I think.

[RightKnight]

Oh, btw. Figured out Chickadee=River awhile ago.

I thought everyone had. It seemed pretty obvious that that's why she's getting visions instead of hard facts.

Unless of course she's scum, in which case she's got me fooled.

So, who’s been pushing Chick? If everyone has figured out that she’s River, then that’s the most likely place to find the remaining HoB.

On both LE/TPFKAP’s roleflips, they mention River and Simon. Now, unlike River, scum probably thought EJ was Simon, so maybe we find scum there. Probably Chick more than Elsa but it’s too bad we don’t have a vote history button to check all of the votes on either.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

Nice scum claim. Someone killed Thor. Thor's kill is missing. Where did it go? The obvious place is where you claim to have been a BG, so why are you alive?

Why does it have to be Tails? Why couldn't someone else be fake claiming? Why couldn't it be in some of the softs/unclaimed? If it was a scum cross kill, it doesn't surprise me that no one has come forward.

Couldn’t there possibly be a townvig who is lying low, to prevent being NK’d?

I don’t think no one coming forward, makes this impossible.

I mean that's my whole point. There are lots of reasons we don't know how Thor died. Any one of those reasons could be valid.

That was my first thought actually, that there was a vig but I could see the kill also making sense from HoB as well, I suppose.

[RightKnight]

Enabler then rest of town, or rest of town then enabler? Hmmm.

Probably rest of town then enabler. The enabler claim itself should limit the fakeclaim potential immensely.

Buj would go last.

So presumptive order would be Chara, CT, RR, RK, Buj based on my reads.

LR could be a fakeclaim, but that's a ballsy ass fakeclaim. Maybe Mr. Universe if we have 10 town? Does that actually mesh? Clearly I was wrong about the it has to be 3's spec given Thor's flip, so I suppose a 10v3v1v1v2 isn't out of the question. Nor is 10v3v1v1v1v1, I suppose. So probably lynch Toog last out of the claims that don't fit, just in case he's town.

Buj is pretty assuredly not group scum. Buj death probably solves Mala, but won't come until we're sure we can still win at that point.

Mala, would appreciate your weigh in on all of this. Actually, same to everyone. Do we want to try for the flavor solve via 1v1s at this point?

If Toog is fakeclaiming, then how do you account for no kills on N1? The only way that would make sense is if all possible KP roles had some kind of restriction or if there are multiple protectives from either alignment. I always lean to Occams Razor in these cases.

~N

[RightKnight]

I've played with Math before. They will oppose mass claim regardless of alignment. I'm just wondering how confident Nancy feels playing by herself as different alignments. How she claimed yesterday felt off, and then there was the immediate return to being a hydra after she started that dumpster fire. I'm just wondering if that might be indicative of alignment or null.

I initially signed up to play with Tora and he quit right very close to EOD 2 but I find a lot of stuff in the game very confusing still and I was hoping Math could help me with that. However, I don’t think he’s anywhere near caught up yet. I like to play in a in more than one game at once but rn, I have some more time, which is why I’m suddenly posting a lot more. Like I alreay stated, once I do a full claim, it will all make perfect sense.

[RightKnight]

Oh, btw. Figured out Chickadee=River awhile ago.

I thought everyone had. It seemed pretty obvious that that's why she's getting visions instead of hard facts.

Unless of course she's scum, in which case she's got me fooled.

So, who’s been pushing Chick? If everyone has figured out that she’s River, then that’s the most likely place to find the remaining HoB.

On both LE/TPFKAP’s roleflips, they mention River and Simon. Now, unlike River, scum probably thought EJ was Simon, so maybe we find scum there. Probably Chick more than Elsa but it’s too bad we don’t have a vote history button to check all of the votes on either.

~Nancy

*raises hand*

Flavor cop made sense for HoB with a traitor, but obviously with Ethos' flip we know that's (PROBABLY, based on the language used it's highly unlikely either has any additional powers, but is possible) not possible.

Yes, Elsa, if telling the truth, could have been shot at, while hiding, and thus wasted other shots(speaking of which, if we do have town vigs(as I expect we do) and any of them are compulsive, and don't know where to shoot...shooting at elsa is probably a good call since the shots will whiff(and you'll catch them if they're lying scum!) <3(Yes, this is 1% tongue in cheek, to keep up my habit of telling people why they should shoot at Elsa)
Yes, there is definitely a full doctor(who can *probably* prevent more than one kill with their protection, given that we know at least two kills were potentially in play N1, and Toog did not die).
Yes, Tails claim has not resolved itself, like I told you it wouldn't; we have no way of verifying where they targeted, and bg aren't exactly a priority kill since you still get a kill off if they protected your target, and they can save your life as scum.

I actually think if a town slot shot Thor, that they should probably claim it, to clear up this speculation at the very least; however I also feel if a town slot shot thor and claims it, mass claim is probably in order at that point, and mass claim isn't a great idea with the current advantage town holds.

-Cerb

I think the vig claiming now would be a bad idea because then the doc/Simon would have to protect us and the vig - if there is one.

[RightKnight]

P.edit and Chick obviously.

This is why I don’t think we should rush this lynch, in case there could conceivably be both a doc and bg in this setup.

I’m torn between Chick’s inistence that Tails/Nico is either Simon/River and Nico’s weird possibly traitor-signaling type post.

However, Nico was MIA prior to Tails subbing in and therefore seems unlikely to be Simon, unless there’s another proective in the story that could explain a 2nd doc. Is there?

If Chick is River, then how does bg Tails explain Simon, because obviously a full doc had to have protected Toog on N1. So if Nico/Tails is Simon, then which character would be the doc?

[RightKnight]

I've played with Math before. They will oppose mass claim regardless of alignment. I'm just wondering how confident Nancy feels playing by herself as different alignments. How she claimed yesterday felt off, and then there was the immediate return to being a hydra after she started that dumpster fire. I'm just wondering if that might be indicative of alignment or null.

I initially signed up to play with Tora and he quit right very close to EOD 2 but I find a lot of stuff in the game very confusing still and I was hoping Math could help me with that. However, I don’t think he’s anywhere near caught up yet. I like to play in a in more than one game at once but rn, I have some more time, which is why I’m suddenly posting a lot more. Like I alreay stated, once I do a full claim, it will all make perfect sense.

I agree with this.

I have not caught up and am taking the claims list as pretty much “the truth” and seeing who is actively not playing like it for terms of claims. I do not have the energy nor desire to read that many pages atm.

~~Math

P.S. Nancy sign your fuckin posts lol (All prior ones so far Nancy)

[RightKnight]

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.

But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.

No, I think Simon 100% had to have healed Thor’s target, otherwise we would have had a town death last night.

I claimed Hider now. I lost the BP going onto Thor. If they attacked my slot they wouldn't have hit anything.

Bear with me here.

I know you probably explained this earlier and I am at work.

Why exactly the fake claim?

~~Math

[RightKnight]

also. i haven't decided yet, but nearly all of town PRs are out and we could potentially flavour solve this. my worry is putting us in an unwinnable situation, and Jingle's attempts to gain trust are only making me mistrust, though i acknowledge he's probably just a mason. gut is broken.

pedit: thank you. <3

What makes you say we have almost all town PRs out?

There are a lot of claims but something doesn’t add up here.

There was a serial killer and mafia.

There were a lot of nights with less than two deaths if memory serves.

The claim list doesn’t support that theory.

For fucks sake don’t claim if you are a protective PR I am trying to dig into Chara’s brain here.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{

A50 a vote count please?

}}

Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?

The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

About to internally scream at my job.

God help me today

Anything unsigned is probably Nancy btw

If you have any question just ask.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

If Elsa isn't weak, why would she lose her BP hiding behind Thor?

---

By this, it becomes confirmable that none of Gamma, Flicker, or I can be HoB2.

I'd like to think that I should be lumped in here as well since my claim doesn't really make sense if I were actually a Jailkeeper, unless you believe that I stopped a kill and then opted to claim Lightning Rod when I saw no other kills happened and figured that maybe any other tracks/watches/cops/other wouldn't incriminate me down the line.

---

Maybe Mr. Universe if we have 10 town?

Why can't Chickadee be Role Cop? I still stand by my assertion that River makes a better Lightning Rod than any other role.

---

So, who’s been pushing Chick?

I pushed Chick, and still continue to have some issue with the slot. For one, a lot of the convenient portions of the claim, for another the fact that it seems really mean that the mod would put a role in the game that requires actual flavor knowledge to possibly interpret results. On top of that, I'm not entirely sure why the mod would allow video results be shared and not breach any rules about sharing moderator PMs.

---

I think the vig claiming now would be a bad idea because then the doc/Simon would have to protect us and the vig - if there is one.

Personally, I don't think we have a vig. I think Ari was our "vig."

Because hiders usually die if they hide behind someone who dies.
Without the BP assuming she is telling the truth, she would be dead.
~~Math

[RightKnight]

Actually...

Why in the hell would there even be a non-weak Hider with a BP vest in the first place. That whole thing just seems ludicrous.

I am also down for Elsa lynch today as well.

Hence my question to him(?)

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{

A50 a vote count please?

}}

Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?

The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.

~~Math

What why?

Jingle is making bad setup spec and is protecting a known liar when his(?) claim is shit.
Plus he is also protecting Tails.
You and he are a package deal.
Elsa is fishy AF
Mala claimed 3P.

[RightKnight]

Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{

A50 a vote count please?

}}

Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?

The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.

~~Math

What why?

Jingle is making bad setup spec and is protecting a known liar when his(?) claim is shit.
Plus he is also protecting Tails.
You and he are a package deal.
Elsa is fishy AF
Mala claimed 3P.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Shhhh. That's a secret.

And I just want people to hard commit to the 1v1s.

If we lynch Tails, and he flips Simon, then very clearly no one will claim protective because no one on the ship makes sense as a protective role. If no one claims protective, we can pretty much assume that Tails is Simon and don't have to flip him. If we have a protective claim (or better yet, TWO!) then we know one of the two of them is lying.

Similarly, if RK claims an enabler for something that doesn't exist, we know they probably aren't enabling town, because why would town lie about their role here? That means that flavorwise, Kaylee wouldn't make a lick of sense for the enabler and RK is probably scum. If RK claims to enable Buj's role, and no one else is a possible Mal, then we can reasonably assume RK to be town because how else would they know to fakeclaim that particular enable. If RK claims to enable something that's pretty much useless to us, then we know they're lying about being an enabler for a super important town role and they're probably scum.

Basically, forcing the 1v1's now means that scum doesn't get to pick their fights after seeing what people flip in the nightphase, which can only be helpful if there are remaining unaligned scum like Thor.

Except this is just plain wrong.

Enabler doesn’t mean the role exists in the setup or not.

I don’t know enough about Firefly flavor (it put me to sleep) but it sounds like you’re making assumptions versus seeing where the cards fall.

As scum I have had a game where scum enabled town. Your setup spec is once again crap. You’re ranking things off of what is useful and doing IiOA.

The reads got us this far there is no reason to continue mass claim here, especially with such piss poor logic as town enables town.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

To be clear, math, have I dropped my tell this game?

I'm interested.

I believe you have possibly. It requires two things. One of which you have done since the time I have started posting.

The other I do not have the time to look up.

~~Math

Pedit agreed.

[RightKnight]

Hey Jingle quote me the possibilities you have for the setup so far?

And where did anyone get the number exactly 9 town?

That seems oddly specific.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

9 members of the Serenity crew in the show.

Were they all a part of the crew at the same time?

Generally with 17 you’d expect 4 scum not three. One of which being a traitor lends more towards 5 scum (4 traitors) and if we use the assumption of 9 neutrals we have
9+5+1 (confirmed SK) which means two unaccounted for alignments to add up to 17.

If we assume Mala and Elsa are the two “unaccounted for” we would be looking for three scum.

Why is everyone making a big deal about HoB? And why is everyone acting like this game is solved?

~~Math

[RightKnight]

9 members of the Serenity crew in the show.

Were they all a part of the crew at the same time?

Generally with 17 you’d expect 4 scum not three. One of which being a traitor lends more towards 5 scum (4 traitors) and if we use the assumption of 9 neutrals we have
9+5+1 (confirmed SK) which means two unaccounted for alignments to add up to 17.

If we assume Mala and Elsa are the two “unaccounted for” we would be looking for three scum.

Why is everyone making a big deal about HoB? And why is everyone acting like this game is solved?

~~Math

4 plus traitors*

~~Math

Yay mobile you suck

[RightKnight]

Enabler doesn’t mean the role exists in the setup or not.

True fax.

However, if your slot is likely to be Kaylee and another slot is likely to be Kaylee and your slot is claimed as an enabler for a role that doesn't exist/isn't town, then the other slot is more likely to be telling the truth mechanics wise. Additionally, Kaylee is the sweet innocent girl who would never do any wrong to anyone on the ship, and she frankly doesn't make sense as enabling scum.

Also, we got to where we are by having a D1 lurker lynch land on scum, a N1 LR prevent all kills, a mechanically optimal lynch hit a vengeful who shot in a dwindling PoE hitting scum, and presumably a scumcrosskill and successful protection. Reads played a very small role in all of that, if we're being perfectly honest.

And you’re assuming all roles match flavor because....????

Secondly you’re trying to outguess the mod on what flavor goes where.
Thirdly mechanics don’t indicate anything of the sort. A role that doesn’t exist is a great way for a named townie. Again you’re focusing on if we are useful versus our alignment (which is town btw). You’re assuming you know what A50 would do and then scumreading those people based off your assumption as the best case scenario.

Town Jingle doesn’t fuck up this badly.


~~Math

[RightKnight]

Do you want all of the things I've speculated? Cause that's excessive. Or is there a specific thing you want? Like, I can go on about how I speculated we couldn't have an SK. I could talk about how I speculated that HoB would be a 2p team before the traitor flip and assumed a vig would kill me N1 because of it. I could talk about the spec of two 3p teams being most likely based on the rules. I could talk about the rules spec. I could talk about my initial scumteam comp spec. I could talk about my theory of 5KPN. Hell, there's probably more I'm forgetting.

I want a post that reflects what you think reality is now.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

TPFKAP flip was a traitor with two confirmed partners, neither group informed of the identity of the other.

Ethos was one of the two partners. HoB thus has one remaining member, who is confirmed to be a JK who cannot both act and shoot.

That seems rather...weak against 9 town if we borrow Chara’s reasoning.

~~Math

Pedit oh I was wondering why our flavor was redacted lol

[RightKnight]

Math have you read the claims/softs lists? This game can be broken on flavour, which is confirmed by town role PMs having their specific characters redacted.

Skimmed some. Like I said I am at work.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

I understand your position. However, being as you are one of the unclaimed players, you have a severe bias to be taken into account. Which is why I'm specifically looking for Flicker/Chick/Gamma/Toog's opinions.

Why would you need Gamma’s opinion if you’re masons? Wouldn’t you know from the mason PT if you’re masons?

And how would Gamma be unclaimed?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

That would kind of require Gamma to be posting in the mason PT. I'm pretty sure the last post in there was before daystart.

Also, none of the players I listed as caring about their opinions are unclaimed.

I blame trying to work through pain.

Derp.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

1 post in over 24 hours? Are we just resigned to lynching Tails, cuz he's kinda low priority in my opinion. I'd much rather lynch the compulsive liar Elsa personally, but anyone from this list seems better to me:

Elsa
CheekyTeeky
RightKnight
Chara
Malakitten

It's mostly PoE from my perspective, with malakitten thrown on because they can't win unless we throw them a bone and figure out who Mal 100% is. Digging deeper, I'd throw in...

Chickadee
Reasonably Rational
Tails

...but that's pretty much the end of my "to lynch" list.

I am kinda happy about the low post count.

I get to try to catch up on this behemoth thread.

Kinda curious though: Mala is a claimed 3P.

As much as I like playing with her your ordered list seems odd.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Woops, sorry again mod.

[RightKnight]

1 post in over 24 hours? Are we just resigned to lynching Tails, cuz he's kinda low priority in my opinion. I'd much rather lynch the compulsive liar Elsa personally, but anyone from this list seems better to me:

Elsa
CheekyTeeky
RightKnight
Chara
Malakitten

It's mostly PoE from my perspective, with malakitten thrown on because they can't win unless we throw them a bone and figure out who Mal 100% is. Digging deeper, I'd throw in...

Chickadee
Reasonably Rational
Tails

...but that's pretty much the end of my "to lynch" list.

I am kinda happy about the low post count.

I get to try to catch up on this behemoth thread.

Kinda curious though: Mala is a claimed 3P.

As much as I like playing with her your ordered list seems odd.

~~Math

Well, we obviously can’t be HoB, based on McMenno spew, so no I don’t get it at all. lol:

Also, RC ISO seems so obviously town RC. Also, I think Elsa is extremely unlikely to be HoB, based on Hider claim, because I think it’s very probable that it explains the missing Thor kill.

~N

[RightKnight]

Niska +

big guy that gets kicked into the engine

Crow* seem like a good duo for another (the other?) scum team, 16 + 17. Of course, this relies on Tails being Simon and a bodyguard, which, if I'm a priest which is super-obvious for my flavor, why would Simon

not

be a doctor?

In fact, Crow seems like a perfect role to be a bodyguard to me, except it makes about 0 sense with the flavor copping.

Still, I'm tempted to claim intent to L-1 Tails so we can get this flip over with. I'm not going to, because we should probably use at least 48 hours more of this day in case we're wrong, but I wanna.

*(I just remembered! I'm so proud of myself for not having to rely on the wiki for this! I promise I've been a huge fan for many, many years, though. )

Simon could possibly be an actual doc but there is currently no evidence to support that. I really hope there is though.

~N

[RightKnight]

P.edit. One HoB likely JK’d the other one, leading to Toogeloo likely being Jailkept and since his LR is passive, that would account for the N1 no kill. However, it it is actually active, then that would confirm that there’s almost certainly a doc in the game.

[RightKnight]

sorry I'm not really "in" to well like, life, right now

my reads are about as solid as a jelly pudding

I don't have any hard townreads

mala,

nsg

, cheeky, the other n shogunate??? are all like. bad. kill them

Players who cannot possibly be HoB, based on McMenno spew.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

Their reticence and lack of the (as we view it) possibly clearing awareness displayed by cheeky, jingles, and

chara

makes them more likely to be scum than town.

Can you expand on Chara here?

Chara, very unlikely to be HoB, based on this.

[RightKnight]

yeah lets do it, L-1 bb

VOTE: reasonably rational

thor showed up and is doing thor things so that's cool

rr wagon is eh but im not a fan of drixx posting

tora posting is still town

elaborate on Drixx

like his popping in and just calling us all reckless for a wagon on him doesn't sit right w me with how it's worded if that makes sense

his post on RC's mason claim just seems kind of eh like does that really need to be said? just feels like posting something quick and easy to say to make his presence known

granted i've never played w drixx before so

Unless Sky was bussing, it seems extremely unlikely RR is HoB.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

I want someone to give me a good reason Tails could be HoB. And please don't use us the phrase PoE.

The HoB don't show up in the movie.

The first video is a trailer for the movie.

One clue I got for Tails was specifically the MOVIE TRAILER.


You've all gone mad here.

I hereby declare that I shall die on the 2nd day of 2nd month in year 2022, so I'd get to be with Ace. <2

I don’t want to rush this lynch in case he is actually Simon - now that there’s no longer clear evidence of an actual doc in the game but I thing Toogeloo’s role could also could also possibly fit Simon.

~Nancy

Again, I got the movie trailer as a clue for Tails. HoB does not appear in the movie.

Okay, I haven’t seen either one.

Okay, then who is left? Mala, me, Cheeky spewed as not being HoB by McMenno, RR spewed by Sky. Chara, probably by LE. Mason claim seems to make Jingle/Gamma unlikely. Toogeloo likely mechanically cleared. Elsa claim, very probably explains Thor kill and you and now Tails. So based on this, who is left?

[RightKnight]

Players:

Toogeloo - weird posting. No clear motive. If he keeps it up might become too scummy to be scum. I'd rather he didn't.

the worst - I want to townread him but that would be too easy. It's never easy with tw.

NicoRobin - if scum have a lurker, it's Nico.

RadiantCowbells - probably scum for reasons I have stated so far.

Toranaga - probably town but I'll never be sure if he continues to post like he's tired.

TPFKAP - needs to post. Maybe scum have 2 lurkers actually. Though 2 lurkers + RC team doesn't make sense because who wouldn't want RC as his scum buddy. But if they are lurking might explain why RC doesn't seem that interested in this game.

Chickadee - I have once played with and incorrectly scumread Chick. If she doesn't live past day 1, I likely won't get a read on her.

Flicker - townreads feel like TMI, scumreading me feels like shading in a 'look how cautious I am' sort of way. But if I'm biased on any read it's this one. Because like I haven't townread anything they've posted so far and that's weird.

Thor665 - seems like he's playing a boxing match not mafia. Apparently it's not AI according to Tora.

BuJaber - is one of the gnomes that say non

CheekyTeeky - she's cheeky and she's teeky. I dunno why but gut says town.

Skygazer - townreading for reason stated in previous post

Elsa Jay - 97% sure she's neutral doctor.

Reasonably Rational - Rationally Neutral. Might be a robot.

Malakittens - Town

randomidget - I don't think they've posted

northsidegal - I thought was absent for longer than she's been absent. Null right now. Probably easier to read through other people. Supposedly there's a creature-level activity tell on her but that's an easy thing to take advantage of. Also unless they were meming I'm pretty sure someone has nominated her for being good at scum and she does have an impressive win record so I don't really buy this tell much. (In the sense that her lurking is very likely a scum tell, but her NOT lurking is not a town tell)

For what it's worth I think both lurker wagons would be good for us, especially now that there's been some back and forth from the people on each wagon.

But people townreading TFPKAP already are lying to themselves.

There's nothing there. There's nothing in Nico's ISO


The difference between RR and them is in addition to what I've already said, he's engaging with people and keeping up with his word vomit. And I see it is a very excessively exhausting way to maintain fake towncred if that's what he's going for. He could fake reads and post less and choose to engage people selectively instead of doing this. He's being brazenly rediculously irrelevant and attracting attention like a magnet. Also the early wagon on him was weird and I'm fairly confident one or more of the voters were scum. I'd rather first get some scum flips before starting to consider the possibility of some sort of SvS wagon.


So RR is likely town, one or both of Nico/TFKPAP are likely scum.

Lol Tor why are teasing us so much.. just speak your bloody mind already

VOTE: flicker
7 it is. Claim please and let's see if this wagon is full of hot air.

I think d1 lynch should be one of {flicker, TFP, Nico}

I kinda think Nico/Tails have a role that wants to die.

I don't think anything as horrible as a bomb or jester but maybe venge or something.

Like we're basically just saving this slot because we're giving Chick the benefit of the doubt.

Can anyone tell me why they think Menno is town?
Sky was really meh compared to town!sky and menno is scummy.

Actually a better question is why isn't ANY wagon getting hammered yet.. don't lynch within the claims YET. That's all there is to it.

We can discuss any fake claim potential later.
Lynching 3p is bad for reasons other people have explained better than I could.
Lynching Jingle, Gamma, Chick, Tails is condemning two slots in one so a cash against one of the two is not enough.
Lynching Toog doesn't make sense. Once we have some idea of night actions his claim gets proven/disproven.

Tora is very probably town. I can't see any scum motivation to claiming his 3p read on Elsa and bragging about it. Maybe if they were both scum together, but if that were the case it will sort itself out if the time comes to lynch Elsa (either by losing a lot of scum and the game is still in progress, or by losing enough town that she becomes a liability). Plus he felt townie to me in the fight with RC.

I've left many clues that I'm town I think.

For now this leaves us with:
Chara
Thor665
McMenno
Reasonably Rational
Aristophanes

Who have neither claimed nor had someone claim for them. We can probably remove RR from the list because of Drixx's role PM stuff.. (though I admit that would be pretty cool scum performance). Thor seems pretty townie overall especially after the TPF flip.
We should lynch Menno, Ari, or Chara.

Tails maybe missed these when he read my posts. Or didn't read them at all.
No townreading of Nico. Not even once. Specifically mentioned that not wanting her lynched has more to do with Chick than her.


So far this game I've been called scum for:
- sorting people through PoE lists
- using logic that doesn't fit with RR's definition of logic
- saying that angry people are easier to sort than calm people
- saying 'but' more than 70 times
- moving someone who isn't a townread from the no-lynch pile to the lynch pile.


God knows how many years of combined playing experience you all have but this is really what you want to teach new players?

You want to know why I like this game? Because it's never going to be repetitive. People will always see things differently. No two people will play town the same way. No two people will play scum the same way. To be a great player you have to know what works best for YOU. You can't just imitate someone else's formula. That means you are constantly having to analyze yourself as well as other players.

Don't let personality get in your way. Rise above. Read between the lines. Figure out intent.

No. They're poo regardless of our alignments. The way you just joined the wagon was poo.

"Oh hey! Let me just move off this McMenno wagon that I've been thinking is scum and join this new hotness. Based on stretching a weird post into something significant in an effort to hide how flimsy the wagon is."

Unless you were on McMenno because of pokemon demons, the jump here is super sketch.

But if my initial basis for not wanting to lynch your slot is flawed then you're no longer out of my the lynch PoE.

I was wrong to assume that you cannot be scum if Chick is town. Therefore unlike Jingle/Gamma who can either both be scum or both be town, you and chick can move in and out of the lynchpool independently.

Menno is still scummy. It's just now you have a higher chance of flipping scum.

Menno is an excellent shot but don't get lynched. Lynch tails

There's no interesting associatives... we've been voting each other since the start. I didn't vote for sky but that's because I was tunnelled on the RC-Tora thing.

Bujaber obviously cannot be HoB. Flicker has the Priest clim, so maybe A50 overlooked HoB not being in the movie. I don’t think that is sufficient reason to clear him.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

Nico didn't submit an action. That's how I know she flaked.

That’s interesting, if Nico is HoB and flaked then she obviously couldn’t have either JK’d her partner or targeted anyone and maybe Thor could have been RB’?

If active HoB thought he was scum?

~N

[RightKnight]

1 post in over 24 hours? Are we just resigned to lynching Tails, cuz he's kinda low priority in my opinion. I'd much rather lynch the compulsive liar Elsa personally, but anyone from this list seems better to me:

Elsa
CheekyTeeky
RightKnight
Chara
Malakitten

It's mostly PoE from my perspective, with malakitten thrown on because they can't win unless we throw them a bone and figure out who Mal 100% is. Digging deeper, I'd throw in...

Chickadee
Reasonably Rational
Tails

...but that's pretty much the end of my "to lynch" list.

I am kinda happy about the low post count.

I get to try to catch up on this behemoth thread.

Kinda curious though: Mala is a claimed 3P.

As much as I like playing with her your ordered list seems odd.

~~Math

When I said this, it wasn’t a competition of who can post the least guys, ladies, and enbies.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Nico didn't submit an action. That's how I know she flaked.

That’s interesting, if Nico is HoB and flaked then she obviously couldn’t have either JK’d her partner or targeted anyone and maybe Thor could have been RB’?

If active HoB thought he was scum?

~N

P.edit. If Tails is HoB, then JK is not clear as a reason for the no kill and would mean that a doc is likely in the setup, because far less likelihood of JK being used because Nico is very likely to not have submitted an NA N1.

[RightKnight]

Can we either lynch Tails or massclaim?

Is there some connection between the two? Do you have reason to be fairly confident that Tails is HoB?

~ Nancy

[RightKnight]

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Nancy Drew Shogunate (6):	Thor665 (2092),	Flicker (2114),	Toogeloo (2175),	McMenno [/b](2197),	Elsa Jay (2199),	CheekyTeeky (2221),
McMenno (1):	BuJaber (2082),
northsidegal (1):	Jingle (2223),
Not voting (8):	NicoRobin,	Chara,	Chickadee,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Gamma Emerald,	northsidegal,	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2140),

[/font]

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

McMenno (6):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),	CheekyTeeky (2867),	Chara (2905),	Jingle (2933),
Toogeloo (3):	Elsa Jay (2765),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Aristophanes (1):	McMenno (2884),
Tails (1):	Reasonably Rational (2914),
Not voting (3):	Tails,	Malakittens,	Aristophanes (2912),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

[RightKnight]

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Tails (5):	Reasonably Rational (2914),	Jingle (2941),	Flicker (2952),	Chara (3104),	Malakittens (3110),
BuJaber (4):	CheekyTeeky (3060),	Tails (3066),	Elsa Jay (3097),	Gamma Emerald (3113),
Light Ethos (3):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2814),	Chickadee (2988),	BuJaber (3058),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Thor665 (2092),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
CheekyTeeky (1):	Light Ethos (2985),
Not voting (1):	Aristophanes (2912),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Tails (6):	Reasonably Rational (2914),	Flicker (2952),	Chara (3104),	Malakittens (3110),	Elsa Jay (3182),	Gamma Emerald (3361),
Light Ethos (2):	Chickadee (2988),	BuJaber (3058),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	CheekyTeeky (3292),
CheekyTeeky (2):	Light Ethos (2985),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (3312),
Chickadee (1):	Toogeloo (2872),
Aristophanes (1):	Tails (3364),
Not voting (2):	Aristophanes (2912),	Jingle (3143),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

Anyone doing any rudimentary VCA can see that Bujaber and McMenno are never alligned here, nor Chick.

~N

[RightKnight]

A50: If you can, how would you resolve the interactions between a lightning rod and the jailkeep ability displayed in the HoB flip we have?

-Cerb

IF JK is targeting LR, LR will blocked. If JK is targeting someone else, LR attracts JK,

then

JK will be on LR.

In the first scenario (from my PoV) it's the JK that initially affects the LR and not vise versa (JK already targeting LR), so JK resolves first.

In the second scenario, obviously it's the LR that affects the JK and not vise versa, so the LR resolves first.

just in case you haven't seen this Nancy.

Yes but if Nico/Tails is HoB, wouldn’t that affect this - since Nico very likely never submitted an NA?

[RightKnight]

1 post in over 24 hours? Are we just resigned to lynching Tails, cuz he's kinda low priority in my opinion. I'd much rather lynch the compulsive liar Elsa personally, but anyone from this list seems better to me:

Elsa
CheekyTeeky
RightKnight
Chara
Malakitten

It's mostly PoE from my perspective, with malakitten thrown on because they can't win unless we throw them a bone and figure out who Mal 100% is. Digging deeper, I'd throw in...

Chickadee
Reasonably Rational
Tails

...but that's pretty much the end of my "to lynch" list.

I am kinda happy about the low post count.

I get to try to catch up on this behemoth thread.

Kinda curious though: Mala is a claimed 3P.

As much as I like playing with her your ordered list seems odd.

~~Math

Well, we obviously can’t be HoB, based on McMenno spew, so no I don’t get it at all. lol:

Also, RC ISO seems so obviously town RC. Also, I think Elsa is extremely unlikely to be HoB, based on Hider claim, because I think it’s very probable that it explains the missing Thor kill.

~N

i'm townreading you, but i really don't think it's correct to dismiss every one of the players McMenno said he was scumreading as HoB. throwing out a scumread on a partner (especially with no pressure to push it) is just about the easiest form of distancing there is.

I realized that after I made that list. One of my associatives, obviously has to be wrong if Tails is town or maybe one or more of the claims? I know I’m missing something.

[RightKnight]

Yes but if Nico/Tails is HoB, wouldn’t that affect this - since Nico very likely never submitted an NA?

that's assuming Tails is telling the truth about that. Nico was still active enough to say hello to avoid the prod timer.

and most mods allow one member of a scumteam to submit the entire team's actions. McMenno could have easily done that.

Right, so that doesn’t necessarily mean anything as far HoB are concerned.

[RightKnight]

Spoiler: Chara only, read at your peril

DUDE WTF DO YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR AVOIDING SPOILERS
CHANGE THE AVATAR

???

[RightKnight]

From the Serenity wiki:

"In the Serenity comics, the blue "gloves" are shown to extend to and cover the upper body as well. They were finally killed when Serenity's engine flare incinerated them, and the Alliance passes the assignment to retrieve the Tams to the Operative, explaining why it is he and not them in the movie Serenity who is chasing them."

Per the OP. I don't think anything from the comics should be considered likely inspiration for events/roles here, but it's possible.

That's entirely missing the point. The point isn't that they died in the comics. The point is that they were never even referenced in the movie.

The first of the two videos is about the movie. Entirely about the movie.

The characters you are saying make the most sense for the clue don't appear in the movie.

Therefore, said characters are unlikely to be referenced through specifically a clue centered around the movie.

I'm not disputing that the angle of "They're focused on Simon and River, therefore videos of Simon and River." makes sense. I'm arguing that including a video of the portion of the flavor for which the character is conspicuously absent is a shitty way to leave a clue about the character.

Your case is built on two pieces of evidence that I believe to be counterindicative. A result from Chick suggesting NOT HoB and a crumb from NR suggesting HoB.

Who is the head of Serenity? For those of us, who don’t knsw anything a about the story.

This is I assume the Serenity spaceship in the trailor?

~N

[RightKnight]

Alright so we're all on the same page here, this is what I got when I copped Nico/Tails. My focus went to the second video more than the first because it seems more significant.

Nico/Tails could be a member of the alliance, possibly?

Simon is barely referenced in the first video, so not clearing.

~N

I wonder what is the significance of the first video thrown in there?

If Chick is River, then the trailer is either the Serenity crew trying to save her or about the Alliance coming after her/Simon.

Either way, I think that first video was inserted there for a reason. It just doesn’t really point to Simon. Bg, also doesn’t make sense if Tails is River.

[RightKnight]

Tfw everyone gets sick. Hope everyone feels better soon.

Not sick. Just taking care of RL and reading as I can.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

The complete stop in game play today seems like more than just a bit of burnout from the torrid pace previously. I am not quite sure what to make of it though, since nearly everyone has gone silent.

~D

Pretend I joined your slack chat right now. What would you tell me and why?

(Yes I am aware this is impossible and illogical. I just wanna pick your brain.)

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Will be afk til late tonight.

Work sucks.

Happy birthday Drixx.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

BuJaber and hydra next

I already claimed enabler. The redacted part should be freaking obvious to anyone who has ISO’d my slot’s posts from the getgo. Obviously the redacted part, was doc.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

BuJaber and hydra next

I already claimed enabler. The redacted part should be freaking obvious to anyone who has ISO’d my slot’s posts from the getgo. Obviously the redacted part, was doc.

~Nancy

Also who did you protect each night?

Do you understand whar an enabler does?

Spoiler:

[RightKnight]

BuJaber and hydra next

I already claimed enabler. The redacted part should be freaking obvious to anyone who has ISO’d my slot’s posts from the getgo. Obviously the redacted part, was doc.

~Nancy

Also who did you protect each night?

Do you understand whar an enabler does?

Spoiler:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Enabler

[RightKnight]

No flavour hints in the role PM like "a part of the serenity crew"? No modifiers?

Hi

Toranaga

Your role is [full flavour shall be revealed when you flip post-game]. You’re an

Enabler

. You have no active abilities but as long as you are still alive any

redacted

abilities in the game are enabled. If you were to get lynched those abilities will cease to work starting that night. If you should be killed at night, those abilities will cease to work

the following night

.

You win once all threats to Serenity and its crew have been destroyed.

[RightKnight]

I thought you just outright posted your role PM jesus fucking christ

It’s heavily paraphrased and it’s just a requote.

[RightKnight]

is this true?

There are 9 main characters to the show, but of those 9, only 5 are actually crew to the Serenity while the other 4 are passengers. Any potential town members past those 9 aren't really associated with the Serenity tbqh, and are just associated with the crew itself.

Crew:
Captain - Malcolm Reynolds
First Mate - Zoe Washburn
Pilot - Hoban Washburn (aka Wash)
Engineer - Kaylee Frye
Security - Jayne Cobb

Passengers:
Inara Serra (comes and goes, is a prostitute)
Sheperd Derrial Book (Preacher who likes to advise Mal)
Simon Tam (a doctor who's only wishes are to protect his sister from the Alliance)
River Tam (on the run with her brother, she's "special" in many ways)

Aligned with Reynolds specifically, and not members of the crew or passengers on the ship:
Mr Universe (from the movie, he basically watches live streams of everything going on in the verse)
Badger (basically a contact for unscrupulous jobs for the Serenity crew)

So, my belief is that "Crew" of Serenity specifically means the former five characters, and any other town aligned players will fall into the latter four to six (or so) characters.

People taking things literally, is how you thought that Nico/Tails couldn’t possibly be HoB, since they apparently weren’t in the movie.

[RightKnight]

This is Nancy head btw. Math is exhausted after working 14 hr. shifts.

[RightKnight]

Ok I'm a compulsive Doc who can only protect from 1- kill
N1 - Doc'd Chara
N2 - Doc'd RR
N3 - Doc'd RR

I had "a member of the serenity crew" in my role PM,

You must be Simon then?

But why weren’t you suspicious when Elsa claimed to have protected you?

Tora/I obviously thought he was the actual doc.

[RightKnight]

huh......
I either understand everything or nothing

[RightKnight]

Ok I'm a compulsive Doc who can only protect from 1- kill
N1 - Doc'd Chara
N2 - Doc'd RR
N3 - Doc'd RR

I had "a member of the serenity crew" in my role PM,

Toogeloo, was your lightening rod still in effect last night?

[RightKnight]

so you're a doctor, but also a crew member, which Simon according to Toog is not? hm. i don't know who you would be then or if that's right to begin with.

i'm also specifically a crew member. that's why i knew what Rational was referring to with the extra flavour.
and i'm Loved. that's all.

Toogeloo is probably taking things too literally like all the people, who insisted Nico/Tails couldn’t possibly be HoB, due to them not being in the Serenity movie trailer.

[RightKnight]

But why weren’t you suspicious when Elsa claimed to have protected you?

Because I can only protect from 1-kill, thought I'd be stronger if I was the real Simon. Anyway I wasn't outting at that stage of the game regardless.

... You can't only protect from one, otherwise the HoB and Thor would have killed Toog.

But Toogeloo’s LR couldn’t have possibly been in effect N2 or Thor wouldn’t have been killed, right?

I think Toogeloo should specifically claim the modifiers of his LR. Like, was it non-consecutive or a 1-shot? That would tell us whether RR was actually targeted or not.

[RightKnight]

i don't agree. i think the flavour is especially relevant due to Rational being explicitly not a crew member.
but i don't know enough to say which of the crew Cheeky would fit as... besides the actual doctor.

I didn’t say it was irrelevant, otherwise we obviously wouldn’t have a flavour cop. What I’m saying is that we can’t interpret things too literally.

[RightKnight]

I mean't n1. That night, both Thor and the HoB attacked, I assume. How Didn't he die n1?

Something to do with either JK or doc. Either doc or HoB JK bring used on anybody but Toogeloo could have accounted for that.

[RightKnight]

speaking of being too literal, does Simon

have

to be a doctor? Kaylee's a mechanic if i recall, that might work.

If Cheeky is Kaylee, then who do you think is Simon?

Am I understanding this right?

[RightKnight]

Flavor talk

——-

Math’s Head on 14 hour shifts and get up early

**sighs**

Firefly is still a good sleep aid for me



~~Math

[RightKnight]

I think Toogeloo should specifically claim the modifiers of his LR. Like, was it non-consecutive or a 1-shot?

I've already done so, as people continuously seem to glaze over that fact.

I claimed LR beginning of Day 2 and that I had used the ability Night 1.
Midway through Day 2, I claimed that I was non-consecutive.
Day 4, I claimed that I am officially a Vanilla.

To be completely candid though, I did not actually have a second shot, I was just being intentionally vague for misdirection purposes. A multi-shot LR is a bit OP imo, and rather surprised anyone would even think I had more than 1 shot.


---
I don't understand why we aren't just lynching Malakitten at this point. We have no evidence that other factions exist right now, so rather than hunt for Malcolm Reynolds and just start lynching town, why are we not lynching the only known counter to the town win-con? If Mala is lynched and the game ends, then sorry, not sorry for lynching Malakitty, but maybe they shouldn't have exposed their non-town win-con role. If Mala is lynched and game continues, then we know further scum elements exist.

VOTE: Malakitty

So, likely Cheeky’s claim is true and RR was very likely the target.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

My problem with the enabler being for the doc is that it just doesn't make sense storyline wise. Like the only person who would enable simon is River but I still hold that Chick makes the most sense as River. If Chick could check either the masons or toog or chara I think that would help confirm the direction of the lynch. I do agree that we shouldn't be trying to lynch Mal though.

But it makes sense with Tora hard defending Elsa. We both were convinced Elsa was the doc and we were hoping to crumb to him. Unfortunately, that totally went over everyone’s heads. :/

I have no idea if we enable Simon or not as EJ pointed out, there are multiple docs in the story.

[RightKnight]

did scum try and kill Chickadee? i'm struggling to remember action claims towards her from night 2.

this result also looks good for Flicker town. i don't see scum witholding their shot on night 3. was already townreading Flicker however.

Toogeloo confirmed he only had a 1-shot and Cheeky claimed to doc RR. Obviously, RR had to be at least one of the targets last night.

[RightKnight]

RR - That actually sounds a lot like you're Mal. At least to me it does. Makes sense Mal would have the most flavor. No one else seems to have that level of flavor. My role pm doesnt have any flavor. Not even about being part of the crew. And Mal being captain would make sense with checking on his crew/family.


I think RK's claim makes the least sense. Why would a COMPULSIVE doctor need an enabler?

Check us then. It would be nice to eliminate the question mark on our slot.

[RightKnight]

RR motion-detected someone targeting Chickadee on day 2.

Tails claimed to bg Chickadee but Cheeky was on RR. Could there have been another doc protecting her?

[RightKnight]

RR motion-detected someone targeting Chickadee on day 2.

Tails claimed to bg Chickadee but Cheeky was on RR. Could there have been another doc protecting her?

Thor’s missing kill, possibly?

If Chick was targeted then someone other than Cheeky must have saved her.

So, that has to point to 2 docs in the game and the 2nd unclaimed doc, must have protected somebody - probably other than RR then - possibly Chick?, so likely 2 docs blocked 2 separate kills last night.

[RightKnight]

We've all claimed so there's no point questionning if there are other docs etc - but I was almost50 certain that we have a vig so idk. I think if anyone changes their claim we lynch all liars at this point.

If you were on RR N2 and they MD’d “activity” on Chick, how does that not point to 2 docs - unless of course RR is lying but N3 results make that highly unlikely.

Because Chick was not roleblocked and what possible activity other than an failed NK, could have RR possibly detected?

Or may Thor’s partner? Either way, this points to at least 2 scum still left in the game.

[RightKnight]

Targeting Chick doesn't nessesarily mean she was a kill target does it?

Afawk, only RR has claimed anything non-doc related wrt to NAs. And like I already said, she obviously couldn’t have been roleblocked right or she would have know it and no one has claimed anything else - unless someone is either lying or failing to be forthcoming.

[RightKnight]

Claims:

Spoiler: Spoiled for readability

Reasonably Rational - Modified Motion Detector
Jingle - Masons with Gamma
Gamma Emerald - Masons with Jingle
Chickadee - Flavor Cop
Flicker - Priest
CheekyTeeky - Compulsive 1-Protect Doctor
Chara - Loved
RightKnight - Doctor Enabler
BuJaber - Seraph Knight (for Mal)
Toogeloo - 1-shot Lightning Rod
Elsa Jay - Neutral 1-Shot Bulletproof Hider
Malakittens - Neutral Lyncher (of Mal)

Flips:

Spoiler: As a reminder

Aristophanes - Town Vengeful (Jayne)
Light Ethos - Scum Jailkeeper (Hands of Blue #1)
Tails - Scum Jailkeeper (Hands of Blue #2)
TPFKAP - Scum Traitor (Hands of Blue Traitor)
Thor665 - Serial Killer (Reaver)

Flavor spec:

Spoiler: My best guess of the crew & passengers

Mal - Reasonably Rational
Zoe and Wash - Jingle and Gamma Emerald
River - Chickadee
Book - Flicker
Simon - CheekyTeeky (even though her role PM has "member of the crew," which doesn't seem to fit)
Kaylee - Chara
Inara - BuJaber
Jayne - Aristophanes

I think Elsa Jay, Toogleoo, and RightKnight should be the lynch pool for today. I'm willing to let Malakittens live for one more day at least, but if there's a tomorrow I think she should be added to the lynch pool, too.

Of those three, I'm conflicted on which one's the best lynch. Elsa's been squirrelly on his role all game, Toog's done some quickhammering, and much of RK's posting seems kind of empty/redundant to me. On the other hand, Toog and RK's roles seem like they have to be town, and Elsa's role doesn't seem like "a threat to town." So... maybe we do have to lynch Malakittens (threat to Mal = threat to town)?

Pedit: Chick could have been jailed N2 by Tails; maybe he was no-kill gambiting to strengthen his fake claim? And a jailing at night wouldn't prevent Chick from using her cop during the day, right?

When did RR claim MD? But even if true, it doesn’t mean that Chick wasn’t targeted with an NK, because if Tails did JK her, then it obviously doesn’t prove she couldn’t have been targeted. But then who killed Thor? No one to my knowledge has claimed vig, unless I missed it?

If there are possibly 2 docs in the game, then checking us obviously > lynching us.

[RightKnight]

I just thought of a possibly ridiculous, possibly great idea - we could no lynch today and see what happens tonight. That could resolve whether there's still any night killing roles left, or whether Mala is the only "threat to town" left. I know Cheeky's compulsive, but she could declare her target or be on someone who's unlikely to be NK'ed (like Mala or Elsa or, frankly, me).

No lynch just helps scum. I think the only really good time to do that is in MYLO. Lynches provide us with necessary info.

[RightKnight]

Targeting Chick doesn't nessesarily mean she was a kill target does it?

Afawk, only RR has claimed anything non-doc related wrt to NAs. And like I already said, she obviously couldn’t have been roleblocked right or she would have know it and no one has claimed anything else - unless someone is either lying or failing to be forthcoming.

Chick's a day flavour cop, not a night one. she woupdn't have noticed.
and scum wouldn't have roleblocked a day PR.

Yeah, I thought that really didn’t make a lot of sense, so likely one scum targeted her N2 and someone other than Cheeky doc’d her.

And since Elsa if her claim is true, also makes sense as a target, since she had hardclaimed towndoc.

But I think any more than 2 scum left in the game, seems a bit of a reach in only 17 player game.

So someone has to be misrepresenting their claim because the most logical conclusion is that someone had to have doc’d Chick on N2.

[RightKnight]

RR claimed in 4282.

So. Keeping my word although Cerb disagrees still I think.

The flavor we have after our redaction is actually threaded throughout the entirety of our role explanation: "This ship is your home and the crew is your family. In an effort to protect them, each night you may target one other player to see if they've spent the night in their chamber and/or have been visited by someone."

From this, we assumed Book was the most likely. Anyone who has seen the show will remember how Book repeatedly showed up at important moments because he was watching things carefully all the time. There were a couple other obvious characters that could fit the bill, but with less actual examples of them being constantly aware of what's going on. I mean ... Mal got hoodwinked by Saffron which is a ding in his "alertness" if ever there was one... and of course Inara was the one who found him. So I mean ... lots of possibilities with only whatever criteria A50 had in mind when he wrote the above, which is a thing we can't know.

We're a modified motion detector, in terms of what we actually do.

N1 - Flicker had both incoming and outgoing (apart from us)

N2 - Chickadee had only incoming (apart from us)
N3 - Flicker had none (apart from us)

The night 1 outgoing is the most interesting result here. Priest is a passive modifier. I can't think of any way a Lightning Rod would draw a passive modifier into becoming an outgoing action. QED, Flicker having an outgoing action on night one contradicts the claim, I believe.

I personally feel like Niska is the most likely character from the show to be scum and also have the inability to hammer. Niska never got his own hands dirty so the idea that he has to get someone else to handle the pain/torture/death/crime for him fits quite nicely. Niska would imply at least one other and possibly two others.

~D

Hmm . . . what outgoing action did you do N1? @Flicker

[RightKnight]

all i know is i'm very interested to see the setup and scum's night action choices that resulted in no town kills. we did lynch Ari however, sorry Ari. but then he murdered Ethos so it was wonderful.

To be fair though, we lynched Ari because of the vengeful claim.

He was clearly obvtown before he claimed, so we should have just lynched LE. McMenno was obvscum and I was less certain about Tails at the time.

[RightKnight]

@RK:

I didn't take any actions N1 (or any other night). RR's action N1 was redirected to Toog, which explains the outgoing (LR) and incoming (every redirected action that night).

But Toogeloo’s LR was passive if I understand it correctly, so how would that even register?

So yeah, that explains both your incoming/outgoing actions but not why a passive LR would register.

Incoming is explained either by doc/JK but not outgoing. Something isn’t adding up here.

[RightKnight]

I'm a derp. Obviously we don't have results from Flicker N1. AND we even discussed this a few weeks ago when we first got the result. I assume everyone else will catch it.

~D

Yes, all results, except of course for aesetic, lead to Toogeloo on N1 but I thought only

active

actions would register.

[RightKnight]

Oh you don't mean passive as in Toog didn't have a choice.. you meant that it doesn't specifically target actions. I'm tired and I can barely follow this stuff when I'm not tired sorry.

Yeah so if his LR was passive, then RR should not have gotten any outgoing results.

A Motion Detector should receive the same result if they see an action being performed by their target as they would if they see an action being performed on their target (and the same if they see both).

If their target is Ascetic or targeted by a Rolestopper, they should receive a "No Result" pm, the same as if they'd been blocked themselves.

A Motion Detector would not see a Ninja performing a k.

[RightKnight]

Tails was ...

Spoiler:

Hello

Light Ethos

&

Tails

You are The "Hands of Blue", going by (Hands of Blue 1 & Hands of Blue 2). You are contractors to the Union of Allied Planets and are in pursuit of River and Simon Tam. You kill without mercy using a sonic device that induces massive bleeding from every orifice. [b{You both are Jailkeepers, but the same person can't JK and kill at the same night[/b], and

if you both target each other with the Jailkeep both your actions will fail

. You are also aware that there's an undercover Union of Allied Planets agent working on the same mission, but you don't know who they are (it means

the 3rd member of your team is a Traitor

). You win when the Serenity crew are eliminated (i.e. all town-aligned players are dead) or nothing can stop that from happening.

Important: To avoid flavour gaming; Town players have NOT been given their flavour.

TWO BY TWO, HANDS OF BLUE.

Here is your Hands of Blue/Union of Allied Planets PT.

Thread is now locked and it's Night 3

Please send in you night action before the deadline expires

Night Deadline (expired on 2018-11-08 23:00:00)

Do you really think Tails sacrificed his kill by JKing Chick, rather than kill? With 2 scum and only 1 townie dead, it seems strange.

And then why did Tails push RR lynch, if they could confirm him?

And how do you explain Thor kill then?

[RightKnight]

@RK:

[...] I would treat the Lightning Rod as "action

targeting

everyone" if that makes any sense.)

I think this means the LR registers as an outgoing action.

Pedit: Yeah, I'm starting to get a little paranoid of Jingle and Gamma too. It seems a little unlikely for Zoe and Wash to just be Masons and nothing else, IMO.

@Almost50, can use please confirm whether or not a passive LR, could show up as an action to a MD?

[RightKnight]

Wait Tails JKing Chick wouldn't explain the Thor kill right?

What's the timeline on all the actions...it's starting to sound like Elsa should be lynched.

N2.

Tails never ever said, that RR should be able to confirm his Chick bg, so why JK Chick and not argue that he could be confirmed as bg Chick, by RR?

But why did Tails try to push RR, rather than claim that they can verify his role? That’s the part that isn’t making much sense.

[RightKnight]

Yeah day 1 traitor dies, night 1 Toog activates LR so no kill.
Day 2 we lynch HoB1, so night 2 HoB2 cannot both kill and JK, likely Tails JKed. Elsa claims she lost BP hiding behind Thor though, and we know Thor got killed.
Day 3 we lynch HoB2, night 3 no kills.

So either Tails killed Thor.. which would make sense but doesn't explain who visited Chick
Or Tails JK'd Chick and Elsa lied.

Or Elsa didn't lie and the other scum killed Thor. Which would be hilarious if you ask me.

Okay someone double check my work and tell me which one is most plausible.

Well no vigclaim points to that.

[RightKnight]

Oooo interesting cop on RK. This is what I got.

That seems to fit with our role but I’m kind of disappointed now. I was really hoping a check on us, would clarify our flavour. :/

So, I still have no idea who we are storywise.

[RightKnight]

I'm literally telling you the information I have for you. N1 I hid behind Cheeky. Fine. N2 is Thor. Lost my BP. N3 did jackshit. I'm alive.

What's so complicated in thinking Thor attacked my slot and HoB killed Thor?

Why wouldn’t you hide behind anyone N3? If you believe scum killed Thor, why would you assume you would be safe?

[RightKnight]

Oooo interesting cop on RK. This is what I got.

My immediate reaction is "this is scum." IIRC, this is from right before Simon saves River in the movie, when the doctor's experimenting on/torturing her. More specifically, this scene is framed as a video being watched by the Operative (therefore RK = the Operative?).

But, given how the Simon/River video had such a nice tone for the HoB cop, IDK.

If RK is scum (especially a lone scum), though, it would help make sense of Nancy jumping back into a hydra after Tora left. And like I already said, I have found their posting to be lacking - redundant, confused/wrong, and just weird at times, especially with the insistence that there is or could be a second doctor (and therefore someone's lying/withholding their full claim - are they maybe projecting because

they're

the liars?).

Pedit: How does this still fit with being a Doctor Enabler, exactly?

I wanted to play in a hydra, that’s what I originally signed up for. It looks like something medical, I’m assuming because it looks like a doctor’s office or hospital?

Why couldn’t there be a 2nd doctor? Why would Tails JK Chick and not ever say RR should verify his bg claim?

A50 already proved that we can’t take the clues literally with HoB not being in the Serenity trailer, right?

[RightKnight]

Yeah, scratch what I said about Elsa, RK seems like a better lynch now. The only town role I can see with that result is Simon, and we have a better Simon claim already.

VOTE: RightKnight

Is Simon the only doc in the story? Didn’t someone say there were multiple docs - not in the game but either in the series/movie?

[RightKnight]

Is Simon the only doc in the story? Didn’t someone say there were multiple docs - not in the game but either in the series/movie?

There are no other docs who are Pro Serenity.

I said pretty early on that Almost could maybe have used an institute doc as a survivor, because they never actually oppose the Serenity (In fact, they all get murdered by the alliance) and that Niska's crew had the potential for having their own Doc role given Niska's whole slowly torture people to death gig. Neither is a good fit to flavor, and both were reaches to justify leaving EJ alone because I lowkey suspected that he was a town doc fakeclaiming to stay alive longer.

Dr. Caron, played by Sarah Paulson in the film Serenity, was a member of the rescue team that investigated the strange happenings on Miranda. Her recording of the event, noting the Alliance's inadvertent creation of what would become the Reavers, is pivotal in the film's climax. She, along with the rest of her team, is killed by the Reavers after their ship crashed.

[RightKnight]

Is Simon the only doc in the story? Didn’t someone say there were multiple docs - not in the game but either in the series/movie?

There are no other docs who are Pro Serenity.

I said pretty early on that Almost could maybe have used an institute doc as a survivor, because they never actually oppose the Serenity (In fact, they all get murdered by the alliance) and that Niska's crew had the potential for having their own Doc role given Niska's whole slowly torture people to death gig. Neither is a good fit to flavor, and both were reaches to justify leaving EJ alone because I lowkey suspected that he was a town doc fakeclaiming to stay alive longer.

Dr. Caron, played by Sarah Paulson in the film Serenity, was a member of the rescue team that investigated the strange happenings on Miranda. Her recording of the event, noting the Alliance's inadvertent creation of what would become the Reavers, is pivotal in the film's climax. She, along with the rest of her team, is killed by the Reavers after their ship crashed.

What was the name of the rescue team? So does this possibly point to a 2nd Reaver? Or unrelated?

[RightKnight]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... N-uThDpaq3

Dr. Caron

[RightKnight]

Attention

Attention, please!

Since it seems to be an overwhelming popular demand; all nights from now on will be 48 hrs rather than 72 hrs.

Thank you

When were they ever 72 hrs? and I thought the vote was for N4+? I am legit more confused by this, then anything else in the game thus far.

Is A50 teasing us here?

[RightKnight]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... N-uThDpaq3

Dr. Caron

Please, stop beating this dead horse. Everyone who's familiar with the flavor knows who and what you're talking about, and you're not going to be able to argue that somehow you, who seem to have no flavor knowledge, are actually right over us. If you want to keep going down this path for yourself until you think you have something, kindly contain in to your hydra PT.

Putting you on ignore now.

I should just vote you for unnecessary rudeness. If you honestly don’t care, if you are making incorrect assumptions or not, then that’s really good to know - that you’re not someone I probably want to play with in the future.

You’re not going to bait me, into getting our slot modkilled. Nice try though.

[RightKnight]

Always been 72. I was the asshole who asked for it to be decreased to 48. Lol

I must have misread that vote PM. I thought it was to change from 48 to 24. 72 hr. nights is whacked.

If it makes you feel any better, I wish we were lynching Flicker for acting nasty and obnoxious - for I still don’t even know what reasons? There’s really no need ever, for that kind of behaviour, imo. :/

[RightKnight]

Yes I’m okay with eating a ban for language.
Yes I’m really pissed rn.

I really am sorry. I can definitely understand your frustration.

It's why I advocate flavorless or publically independently assigned flavor and role games.

I like heavy flavour - so long as it doesn’t put those who don’t know it as such a great disadvantage.

Like if I was Chick, I would have just uploaded everything and say, here, you guys deal with this.

[RightKnight]

Targeting Chick doesn't nessesarily mean she was a kill target does it?

Afawk, only RR has claimed anything non-doc related wrt to NAs. And like I already said, she obviously couldn’t have been roleblocked right or she would have know it and no one has claimed anything else - unless someone is either lying or failing to be forthcoming.

Chick's a day flavour cop, not a night one. she woupdn't have noticed.
and scum wouldn't have roleblocked a day PR.

I’d like for Chick to investigate Flicker

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... N-uThDpaq3

Dr. Caron

Please, stop beating this dead horse. Everyone who's familiar with the flavor knows who and what you're talking about, and you're not going to be able to argue that somehow you, who seem to have no flavor knowledge, are actually right over us. If you want to keep going down this path for yourself until you think you have something, kindly contain in to your hydra PT.

Putting you on ignore now.

I didn’t like this at all. And why suggest we ignore possible clues to help figure out the game and regulate them to our hydra PT. What is pro-town about that?

There are 3 docs in the story (Firefly/Serenity), Simon, Dr. Caron and Dr. Mathias (scum) right? so it was incorrect to say that Simon was the only one.

[RightKnight]

Is Simon the only doc in the story? Didn’t someone say there were multiple docs - not in the game but either in the series/movie?

There are no other docs who are Pro Serenity.

I said pretty early on that Almost could maybe have used an institute doc as a survivor, because they never actually oppose the Serenity (In fact, they all get murdered by the alliance) and that Niska's crew had the potential for having their own Doc role given Niska's whole slowly torture people to death gig. Neither is a good fit to flavor, and both were reaches to justify leaving EJ alone because I lowkey suspected that he was a town doc fakeclaiming to stay alive longer.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... N-uThDpaq3

Dr. Caron

Oooo interesting cop on RK. This is what I got.

That seems to fit with our role but I’m kind of disappointed now. I was really hoping a check on us, would clarify our flavour. :/

So, I still have no idea who we are storywise.

Jingle you’re up, figure this out

Is there some reason that all medical facilities are in blue. Dr. Caron who was investigating something to do with the Reavers is also in blue. Like the Matrix, except switch green for blue.

Dr. Caron, played by Sarah Paulson in the film Serenity, was a member of the rescue team that investigated the strange happenings on Miranda. Her recording of the event, noting the Alliance's inadvertent creation of what would become the Reavers, is pivotal in the film's climax. She, along with the rest of her team, is killed by the Reavers after their ship crashed.

[RightKnight]

Either Operative or River makes the most sense. Can't see a single way that any of the rest of the crew could be linked to that pic, even tangentially, especially with the Doc Enabler claim.

If River, Chick is highly suspect, but we're definitely lynching RK before Chick in either case. Dr. Caron could be at best a benevolent 3p.

If Operative, I don't see how the Enabler claim fits, but that's not really surprising because it's probably fake.

I'm fairly certain Buj->RK->Elsa in any order solves the game fully.

But you thought Tails couldn’t be HoB, so I think that pick backs up our claim. I think we’re likely enabler to Simon/Dr. Caron.

I’m just can’t figure out who we’re supposed to be and this pick didn’t help with that. Could Lenore possibly make sense? *shrug*

[RightKnight]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... N-uThDpaq3

Could someone please figure out how to upload this and compare and contrast it with the one Chick got? Tyvm.

[RightKnight]

fixed it for u love

Thanks although apparently she isn’t pro-Serenity according to Jingle? I thought she would be based on that description. I have. a headache trying to figure this out.

Could Flicker be anything other than Book?

Like could she be Bridget/Patience/Teacher?

[RightKnight]

VOTE: RightKnight

If we’re lynched, then how can you or the other doc, protect anyone tonight?

[RightKnight]

That's the only lynch in which we can possibly let Mala win, so... If we're willing to take the risk I'm down.

How does RR and Chick being unprotected help us?

Maybe RR actually catches scum tonight and helps us win the game?

[RightKnight]

VOTE: RightKnight

If we’re lynched, then how can you or the other doc, protect anyone tonight?

I don't really care. It's interesting that you resort to holding my role hostage as a rebuttal to my vote instead of showing us how you could possibly fit in with the town. All you've done is confuse the shit out of me with your setup spec nonsense, which I read as a scumtell for Math.

Math has been sleeping for most of it, so this is all on me. I can’t do more than I’ve already done to try and help figure this out. I so think there’s a decent chance RR catches scum tonight and Fypov, I wouldn’t risk it but I ‘m tired of trying my best and banging my head against a brick wall. And after Flicker’s comments, I’m not sure I even want to keep trying. I did not deserve that from her at all. Her behaviour towards me, was totally uncalled for. :/

[RightKnight]

That's the only lynch in which we can possibly let Mala win, so... If we're willing to take the risk I'm down.

To explain this:

The suboptimal route:

Lynch RK. If town, CT is now VT and not the most dangerous conftown to scum, thus RR gets shot at night. If Buj is truthclaiming and RR is Mal, RR still lives another night. If RR lives another night AND gets a guilty, then we can maybe afford the mislynch to lynch confMal depending on what exactly the flips are, flavorwise.

Now, we have to be absolutely sure that the rest of our claims are town to be able to risk that strategy, but considering from my perspective RK/Buj is pretty much the solution anyway I am okay with that gamble.

My role is doc enabler, so I enable BOTH, if both are telling the truth. So, by your logic - both Cheeky and Bujaber become VTs and we never get to hear RR’s evidence, if scum targets him tonight.

[RightKnight]

Just got home.

Catching up now. Any questions before I do?

~~Math

[RightKnight]

I ‘m tired of trying my best and banging my head against a brick wall.

I understand your frustration, regardless of whether you're town. Being backed into a corner where you're probably going to get lynched regardless of what you say is never fun.

And yeah, before anyone comments, I realize that the chain of events to let Mala win is like perfect storm levels of coincidence.

WTF? Are you saying you lynch is despite we’re town no matter what? Like wtf?

~~Math

[RightKnight]

If both RR and Chick want to vote us, I’ll join, since they will be the ones most likely affected by it. If they think our lynch helps town, I won’t oppose it.

I sincerely believe that RR can solve this game to tonight, if they check scum. So, when we do flip doc enabler, RR gets shot and the game still doesn’t end, what will you do then?

I’ll be happy to be finally vindicated in either case.

[RightKnight]

I ‘m tired of trying my best and banging my head against a brick wall.

I understand your frustration, regardless of whether you're town. Being backed into a corner where you're probably going to get lynched regardless of what you say is never fun.

And yeah, before anyone comments, I realize that the chain of events to let Mala win is like perfect storm levels of coincidence.

WTF? Are you saying you lynch is despite we’re town no matter what? Like wtf?

~~Math

VOTE: RightKnight

If we’re lynched, then how can you or the other doc, protect anyone tonight?

I don't really care. It's interesting that you resort to holding my role hostage as a rebuttal to my vote instead of showing us how you could possibly fit in with the town. All you've done is confuse the shit out of me with your setup spec nonsense, which I read as a scumtell for Math.

Math has been sleeping for most of it, so this is all on me. I can’t do more than I’ve already done to try and help figure this out. I so think there’s a decent chance RR catches scum tonight and Fypov, I wouldn’t risk it but I ‘m tired of trying my best and banging my head against a brick wall. And after Flicker’s comments, I’m not sure I even want to keep trying. I did not deserve that from her at all. Her behaviour towards me, was totally uncalled for. :/

Sleeping/working yeah.

Had a few long shifts been trying to talk to Nancy on Discord.

She’s actually doing really well it’s just more vocal people dictating the lynch. We’re getting Shadowrunned/Heroe’d if what Jingle says is right so just gonna try to find the cause

~~Math

[RightKnight]

If RR flips Mal, like I assume they will, then I'm going to turbo lynch Buj and hope that ends the game.

If RR flips not Mal, I'll have two flips to analyze to refine my flavor knowledge.

And don't be obtuse. I'm saying your lynch is part of the probable gamesolve, and has been for a long time. Which is frustrating as hell, regardless of alignment.

I think you don’t have the best interests of town, because you are taking the chance fypov, of possibly preventing town from hearing RR’s evidence.

So, I don’t think I’m the one who’s being “obtuse” here. *shrug*

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

If RR flips Mal, like I assume they will, then I'm going to turbo lynch Buj and hope that ends the game.

If RR flips not Mal, I'll have two flips to analyze to refine my flavor knowledge.

And don't be obtuse. I'm saying your lynch is part of the probable gamesolve, and has been for a long time. Which is frustrating as hell, regardless of alignment.

?? See this is the same shit you did as scum. You said town lynches were inevitable and controlled the game

The sad thing here is I think you’re town and you believe this is a good idea.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Spoiler:

I am in my overworked 30s

[RightKnight]

EJ is absolutely a better lynch than RK here. :/

-Cerb

Agreed but at this point arguing against that tide is just silly.

Scum want us gone so they can kill. It’s almost as informative to let it happen as it is to stop it.

I haven’t had the energy nor time to post a lot. So it’s understandable although I think it’s really really silly.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

You could just admit you just want to hang me because you Don't like me and dont bullshit about it being strategically sound.

I don’t know you and haven’t met you but when you’re ahead is 100% of the time to LaL.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

In what world do you ever effing lynch me? Ugh so mad right now. Like who else is simon?

It's so silly that after all the effort I've put in and after finally claiming people still think I'm scum. Like I can't do much and I think it's more indignation at being scumread over the double up slots and the possibility that RR is scum who Ive been derp protecting. I stand by lynching in the doubles/hydra/3ps and if you're going to tinfoil me out of the game you should feel bad for incredibly bad reasoning and bad scumhunting skills.

I honestly don’t even get why you’re even upset here. They’re going only scumreading you in the event we are lying and flip scum, so you should be golden.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

I will admit I'm a little emotional atm. Just disappointed I guess.

Why? weren’t you saying that you were probably going to be the NK tonight, so in what world are you ever in any danger of being lynched?

~N

[RightKnight]

And none of the other shit people have brought up hasn't been?

Look at the RR "rolecard quote" and compare me saying Almost hinting at there being only one last scum left is so much worse then that.

Before you fuck me for it later, I don't remember who exactly "quoted" their rolecard but I think it was RR? But yeah, only 1 scum left.

Nancy paraphrased our role PM. This was before I was a part of the hydra.

I would have advised to do it differently but I can’t fix that now.

And whether I agree or disagree with what a mod has done I will say so.

If I feel something is bastard I will say “bastard” and that’s in general about it.

Because I feel it is not fair to openly “Game the mod” and I feel it lends itself to bad conclusions anyway that’s all I feel to contribute to the topic.

Our last reads are Elsa is scum. Nancy disagrees with me on Jingle + Gamma scum and has been working on this with me. Nancy has opted to step away for a bit after talking with me on Discord. She is welcome to return and I won’t replace the hydra but she wanted to step away a bit. Should she change her mind she is welcome to post.

Til then it’s just me for a bit.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Oh yeah, and bringing it up earlier, I chatted with Almost a bunch and I can honestly say I think I squeezed out of him Im Magistrate Higgins. So his son, Fess, who betrayed him to help the serenity, is Probably a member of the town here. Him plus the 9 crew members make 10 town.

10 town + myself + the 3 HoB + Reaver + Mala = 16. One of the fake claimed is the last evil.

Pedit: I just use good old PMs for my chats with Almost. What, you haven't talked with the Mod to squeeze out info to help town win?

And none of the other shit people have brought up hasn't been?

Look at the RR "rolecard quote" and compare me saying Almost hinting at there being only one last scum left is so much worse then that.

Before you fuck me for it later, I don't remember who exactly "quoted" their rolecard but I think it was RR? But yeah, only 1 scum left.

Nancy paraphrased our role PM. This was before I was a part of the hydra.

I would have advised to do it differently but I can’t fix that now.

And whether I agree or disagree with what a mod has done I will say so.

If I feel something is bastard I will say “bastard” and that’s in general about it.

Because I feel it is not fair to openly “Game the mod” and I feel it lends itself to bad conclusions anyway that’s all I feel to contribute to the topic.

Our last reads are Elsa is scum. Nancy disagrees with me on Jingle + Gamma scum and has been working on this with me. Nancy has opted to step away for a bit after talking with me on Discord. She is welcome to return and I won’t replace the hydra but she wanted to step away a bit. Should she change her mind she is welcome to post.

Til then it’s just me for a bit.

~~Math

I will say so privately **

Forgot that word

Rip

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Thoughts I’ve had when I managed to temporarily calm down enough, not to lose it on Flicker:

Mala is extremely unlikely to win with town, because if it involves lynching whomever is the Mal character and if that is who I think it is, I sincerely doubt town is stupid enough to ever waste a lynch on that slot.


The fact that the Seraph Knight cannot change who it protects is not as big a deal as the amount of protection it gives its target. A Seraph Knight forces the scum to live with some particularly favored player until the Seraph Knight's death. This can potentially exacerbate Follow the Cop-esque situations, especially if the stronger variant is used.

With that in mind, a Mafia-aligned Seraph Knight is much more reasonable, although it is only useful in games that have multiple Mafia groups.

In a game with only an SK, it may as well be slightly less useful than a Mafia Doctor.

I think that Cheeky, Toogeloo and Bujaber can’t all be protectives. Also, why are Bujaber’s and Mala’s role pms, the only ones to mention another character? Thus makes me think Bujaber is likely unclaimed 3P here.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

I'm a seraph knight for Malcolm.

I don't know who it is just that it's whoever Malcolm is.

I die in their place. Lynch or NK doesn't matter.

That's why it's doubly hard for Mala to win. I don't mess with lynchers I just mess with Mala specifically.

I don't have the crew member extra line thing. I also have a tendency to confirm my alignment to the mod when I confirm my role but since this game it wasn't explicitly stated I added something like I assume I'm town, to which A50 replied and his reply implies that town is made up of serenity + allies. Whatever that means.

That's all.. I didn't want someone to try to fakeclaim Mal somehow. I also wanted to keep the WIFOM of me being Mal as long as possible as that would literally be the best way to keep him alive.

Why would we have both a lyncher and a SK for the exact same player in the game? That seems ridiculously unfair to Mala. Would A50 really be than mean to give Mala, such an impossible role? One of them, has to be lying about their role. I see no reason to disbelieve anyone makes up that kind of role that Mala has, so if only one of them can be telling the truth here and I fail to see how

both

could be, then I find Mala’s claim to be way more believable than Bujaber’s.

[RightKnight]

Cheeky: Just to clarify, I'm not 3p. My role PM just didn't specify I'm a member of the crew. If Mal dies after I'm dead I don't lose, I can still win with town.

VOTE: RightKnight
ehh... between RK and Elsa I don't really mind either.. might as well go with the one Chick copped.

Actually that's not my honest reason.

I just really think there's scum among Chara/RK .. haven't been able to change my mind on that

.

I find this reason for voting us, the worst and least believable one so far.

VOTE: Bujaber

Math wants Elsa but it’s still reasonable that EJ was targeted and RR’s MD detected one of Tails/Thor/? targeting Chick as well.

I’m not opposed to Elsa lynch but I prefer Bujaber because I don’t believe both his and Mala’s claims, because the 2 of them together make 0 sense, because I find it difficult to believe that A50 would be that cruel to Mala.

[RightKnight]

@RK:Mala only wins by getting Mal lynched; if he's nk'd, she loses. Therefore, having a Seraph Knight for Mal actually supports Malas claim because it makes it easier for Mala to achieve her goal.

-Cerb

How? If Bujaber’s claim is valid, then doesn’t it confirm whoever is Mal?

And once that happens, how can Mala possibly win?

[RightKnight]

Wasn't RK the one saying we shouldn't be outguessing the mod or whatever? And then you turn right around and do it yourself.

If you really don't think we can both exist then you should be doubting Mala who claimed something that makes her almost a 0 threat and gives her an excuse to not post anything all game.

I personally believe Mala but my claim should be far more believable from an outsider perspective if one had doubt about us coexisting.

But she’s self-voting and wouldn’t you be dead if she was lying, since Chick thought you were Mal?

[RightKnight]

@RK:Mala only wins by getting Mal lynched; if he's nk'd, she loses. Therefore, having a Seraph Knight for Mal actually supports Malas claim because it makes it easier for Mala to achieve her goal.

-Cerb

I can see the former but the latter would only confirm Mal slot, so how could Mala acheive her wincon?

[RightKnight]

Wasn't RK the one saying we shouldn't be outguessing the mod or whatever? And then you turn right around and do it yourself.

If you really don't think we can both exist then you should be doubting Mala who claimed something that makes her almost a 0 threat and gives her an excuse to not post anything all game.

I personally believe Mala but my claim should be far more believable from an outsider perspective if one had doubt about us coexisting.

But she’s self-voting and wouldn’t you be dead if she was lying, since Chick thought you were Mal?

Do you really think she could be lying?

UNVOTE:

For now.

[RightKnight]

Wait wait I'm a little confused by your questions

1. Me getting killed at night means either scum shot Mal or scum shot me. Since my role PM doesn't specify who Malcom is, it will only confirm his identity to scum.

2. How does chick result on me and Mala self-voting means I die if she's lying? That I didn't follow.

I mean if we lynched Mal, you would presumably die in their place, right? So wouldn’t that then confirm that player as Mal?

Because we lynch Mal, you die but they still live, right?

[RightKnight]

Can someone please unvote us, so it’s back at L-3? Kthanx.

I don’t think we need to rush this mislynch. :/

~N

[RightKnight]

VOTE: RightKnight

[RightKnight]

[RightKnight]

Good luck Mala and Elsa, if this game doesn’t end.

[RightKnight]

Quite honestly I still think Jingle and Gamma are scum

Or like scum had no hope against three cops
And scum of three members against two serial killers is bullshit.

[RightKnight]

Quite honestly I still think Jingle and Gamma are scum

Or like scum had no hope against three cops
And scum of three members against two serial killers is bullshit.

Prior posts Nancy.

This post Math.

High as a kite :/ Fucks given zero there’s no way out of this one

~~Math

[RightKnight]

... Um. Your still technically at L-1. But that seems like a forfeit.

You want me to hammer?

It’s up to you.

I discussed it with Math and we didn’t see the point to postponing the inevitable. Scum had 0 chance to win this. I just wonder if the game ends with our death or not. We’re 3Ps not Mafia, if you hadn’t already guessed.

[RightKnight]

Quite honestly I still think Jingle and Gamma are scum

Or like scum had no hope against three cops
And scum of three members against two serial killers is bullshit.

Tfw you unironically claim Serial Killer before your demise.

This game literally had all the scum get rekt. That's sad, but momentum in town's favor is a bitch.

We’re scum and not Mafia. What else could that possibly mean?

[RightKnight]

That was Nancy btw and yeah, if the game doesn’t end, it means that there’s either a Niska scum team or another SK.

[RightKnight]

I might get yelled at if we actually have a day 5, but considering lots of people want me lynched anyway, it's not like me hammering a Serial Killer will hurt that much.

VOTE: RightKnight

Thank you for hammering.

It was getting hard on Nancy and we were guiltied.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Quite honestly I still think Jingle and Gamma are scum

Or like scum had no hope against three cops
And scum of three members against two serial killers is bullshit.

Tfw you unironically claim Serial Killer before your demise.

This game literally had all the scum get rekt. That's sad, but momentum in town's favor is a bitch.

I kind of felt bad for Tails though, Nicok pretty much fucked him with that crumb.

As for Thor, I legit have no clue wtf he was thinking hard pushing us like that. He must have been defaulting to his Mafia meta, rather than playing 3P, in a multi unknown scum game.

[RightKnight]

I might get yelled at if we actually have a day 5, but considering lots of people want me lynched anyway, it's not like me hammering a Serial Killer will hurt that much.

VOTE: RightKnight

Thank you for hammering.

It was getting hard on Nancy and we were guiltied.

~~Castle

+1

My health was literally suffering and I was seriously debating replacing out. We both agrree our lynch was inevitable and lolcatting was for the best.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

Wait, there's Math, and Nancy... Who tf is Castle?

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE IN YOUR HEAD.

No, that’s Math. When we first created this hydra, we agreed for him to sign all of his posts, “Castle” and mine, “Checkmate”. I had already been signing as Nancy and didn’t see the point of confusing anyone.

[RightKnight]

Wait, there's Math, and Nancy... Who tf is Castle?

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE IN YOUR HEAD.

One :/

Castle = Math = me

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

~Checkmate

[RightKnight]

Does this mean this game is now over?

No clue

I never read as I just used the downtime to try to get better

Mainly I just tried coaching Nancy best as I could.

I really have lost all motivation for mafia since my wreck. It’s like gone way down hill.

If it continues I would seriously push Jingle and Gamma

~~Math

[RightKnight]

~N

[RightKnight]

When Math said, he really didn’t know what was going on in the game, he wasn’t kidding. i asked him, when was I ever scumreading Elsa and he answered, when you voted him.

[RightKnight]

When Math said, he really didn’t know what was going on in the game, he wasn’t kidding. i asked him, when was I ever scumreading Elsa and he answered, when you voted him.

And yes we shot RR

We thought River would be doc protected and RR wouldn’t be and would be able to catch me because Drixx

Hey at least we know muscle relaxants make me bad bad scum

Sorry for sucking so bad especially to Nancy



~~Math

[RightKnight]

Quite honestly though

Every other night or first night no kill is broken AF and needs fixing for a future run

And scum and SK need serious bumping up

One JK against two cops and two SKs is just bad

Especially when SKs will want to claim vig and will actively hunt scum

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Fuck, I DID draw the NK. I just happened to hide behind the dude who tried to stab me... In which he was then stabbed himself.

Lol we shot Thor for being “town” tunneling is.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Thor: Shoot Elsa Jay (redirected to Toogeloo. Fails due to JK protection)
Nico Robin: Shoot Elsa Jay (redirected to Toogeloo. Fails due to JK protection)

... Holy fuck I claimed surv and you still wanted me dead. You guys are cold mofos.

I didn’t believe you my guess is they didn’t.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Now, I would appreciate all your remarks regarding design, flavor and running the game. Anything at all is GOOD feedback, regardless of whether it's applause or criticism. Thank you

I kinda think that the flavor cop needs a huge nerf for the scum team and to only catch scum

Otherwise town has three cops that scum can do nothing about
SK has to not achieved their win con and commute and normally doesn’t get busted by a cop
Mafia have to use their JK on one cop leaving two others

They can’t have any fake claims
And they are lovers with a townie :/

Like I feel super bad for group scum they got screwed.

There is also supposed to be 4 scum in 17P with vanilla
This one has one less scum and town Role madness and scum one power

Scum need a hell of a boost

~~Math

[RightKnight]

Hey Nancy you’re lucky to have him as a mafia partner in your hydra. He’s a great guy and an even more of a great friend <3
I hope he gets better soon.

+1

100% agree. He’s the absolute best. <3

~N

[RightKnight]

Quite honestly though

Every other night or first night no kill is broken AF and needs fixing for a future run

And scum and SK need serious bumping up

One JK against two cops and two SKs is just bad

Especially when SKs will want to claim vig and will actively hunt scum

~~Math

And LR totally fucked us. Nico/McMenno were obvscum and Thor should never have been pushing us so hard as SK in a multi-scum game. I wanted to shoot Chick/Gamma but Math convinced me to NK RR. :/

[RightKnight]

Scum lost I lost it was a good day

Our lynch guaranteed that.

~N