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Post Post #23 (isolation #0) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:36 pm

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Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)


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Okapis that is. Not me.


In post 19, Lefty wrote:oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting
SCUM! For trying to discredit a semi-valid reason to t/read someone this early.

VOTE: Lefty
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Post Post #28 (isolation #1) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:46 pm

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Currently reading Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde's and LabRat01's posts to/in relation with eachother... I will give a supported estimation whether they are scum partners in the next half hour.

@Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - is there a way of abbreviating your name brother? It's quite a mouthful.
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Post Post #29 (isolation #2) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:55 pm

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In post 26, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?
For some reason I thought it was a 7:2 setup... learnt from the OP that there are in fact three mafia! :o "majority of scum" makes sense now though: we only need to send two mafia to hell to win (?).
the worst is a great character to play with as town or scum -
I think we would have just as much fun together as town or scum
.
In the Watchmen game we were both town.
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Post Post #36 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:13 pm

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In post 31, LabRat01 wrote:do you think you'll be able to read him?
Played two consecutive completed games with him recently, so I hope that helps me.
In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:btw, DrJ is a hydra of korina and LCpl Jones (or sth like that) so unless the "brother" you're talking about is fat enough to count as 2, you should prob be using plurals
DrJ is a good short name - noted.


In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,
as partners
, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
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Post Post #37 (isolation #4) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:16 pm

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In post 33, Lefty wrote:But based on 28 & 29 in succession I’m assuming somewhat serious?
I believe I've been serious in each post so far (all reads/conclusions) based on the limited data so far.

I admittedly amped up my suspicion/scum feels for you to 11 for effect though.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #5) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:22 pm

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In post 37, Keyser Söze wrote:I admittedly amped up my suspicion/scum feels for you to 11 for effect though.
*up to 11
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Post Post #40 (isolation #6) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:47 pm

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Reads 2 pages in??


Well, Dr J hasn’t impressed anything on me yet.

Labrat has come into the game seemingly relaxed (comfortable, open chatty aura)... the role pm error spot gave him his entrance... since then raising questions... yeah nothing much to allocate as significantly alignment indicative. It’s his tone which maybe goes in his favour.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:02 am

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In post 49, Lefty wrote:MU doesn’t even work on my phone unless WiFi

Rip
Yeah, what the hell happened to MU, even in some browsers it's broken.
In post 51, the worst wrote:Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?
Bit too early for that :giggle: but a
send to hell
vote on Lefty was suffice. Ask me again when everyone has posted.
In post 57, the worst wrote:as far as Keyser goes, he's not someone I would townread off a derpclear or tone or anything like that
I'm glad you put the breaks on here... I thought you were showing me too much love :wink: x
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Post Post #67 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:09 am

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In post 41, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,
as partners
, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre game
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it
Ahhh I finally get it... yeah, I agree with Dr J now: how this is more likely 'scum trying to buddy up with town' (not that I'm stating it as fact, as town-town is still possible).
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Post Post #75 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:05 am

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Those pictures :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #79 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:18 am

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Don’t think I’ve ever played with a rat.


(FTR: it’s usually me brown-nosing Irrellephant)

P.s consensual might I add
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Post Post #82 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:22 am

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I half answered it/revised post because of *ongoing game*...

But yeah, I went into this game thinking... ‘if I’m scum, I hope it’s with the worst!’

(I prefer scum hunting though, as VT my ideal role)
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Post Post #85 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:26 am

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Are you sensing Lefty-TheWorst associations?
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Post Post #87 (isolation #13) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:31 am

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Me and TW are in love with eachother right now, but his introduction was maybe 15% buddy-esque towards me (from his point of you I bet he thinks I was trying to buddy him too! (Maybe at 5% output though). But at least I’ve looked at other players! :giggle: I don’t think his priority should be to sort me first, that was a surprising post from him.

P.EDIT will look at conversation now
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Post Post #89 (isolation #14) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 am

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In post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
Yes, these are good throughts Rat. Including your breakdown of Lefty’s post.

So far you are emitting the clearest townie-game-solving thoughts so far.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #15) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 am

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*his point of view
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Post Post #91 (isolation #16) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:37 am

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All dogs go to heaven...

But what about rats?
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Post Post #95 (isolation #17) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:49 am

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@Kor - I put TW’s/ducky’s name in italics as sometimes it’s hard to pick out his name in a lower case sentence and as we’re at introductions stage (no capital letters) I thought it best to highlight it.

RE: semi-valid: sometimes scum want to stop townies from forming soft t/reads so easily this early. It’s just what I felt at the time... I personally thought derpclears/town-slips were a good stepping stone out of RVS.
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Post Post #96 (isolation #18) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:54 am

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@kor - are you calling Rat a fake/weird/odd wrong’n?
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Post Post #105 (isolation #19) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:34 am

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In post 97, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:however, I don't really see it as the basis for a semi-serious(?) vote
Those were my page one feels mayn. They're obviously not gonna be killer cases with resounding substance and power.

(Please note: I purposefully didn't want my first vote to be random, regardless of how much I believed that player was actually scum)
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Post Post #106 (isolation #20) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:40 am

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Currently looking at Dr J - yes, he's asking questions (some I don't understand how they're helping him sort a player) and calling players posts weird/odd/wrong - but is he attributing an alignment to each of these observations? Where are his conclusions?

I.e is he just pressing players for the sake of it? (scummy motivation).

I will come up with a conclusion in the next 41 minutes.
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Post Post #124 (isolation #21) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:27 am

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VOTE: the worst
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Post Post #125 (isolation #22) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:30 am

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In post 109, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Part of this is because I’m in a hydra, I’d much rather bounce ideas off LCPL
then
give what we both agree upon, however, if you want my own personal thoughts on the matter, I think that Lab isbplaying scummy rn.
I’m trying to apply pressure onto him to see how he reacts.

If you actually read my posts, you’d see that I’ve said I find Lab to be scummy.
I’m also waiting to see what Lab has to say before I make my final conclusion, however, atm, I think he’s likely to flip scum.

-Kor
This satisfies my curiosity... for now :twisted:
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Post Post #126 (isolation #23) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:38 am

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In post 113, Irrelephant11 wrote:without a second thought about rolling scum with me? I'm hurt
:cry: My bad. But I prefer us as two radiant knights riding side by side vanquishing evil.


In post 113, Irrelephant11 wrote:What should his priority have been, you think?
ftr I maybe agree but want to see you go into it more
I couldn't say... but not me... I thought his read on me would come more effortlessly, considering our close run of games together. Maybe it's a scum-ploy to keep out of everybody's face... or maybe he just wants an early townbloc? We shall see :wink:
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Post Post #128 (isolation #24) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:43 am

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In post 106, Keyser Söze wrote:I will come up with a conclusion in the next 41 minutes.
I need more data... but will bookmark for later D1.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #25) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:45 am

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:giggle: BEST GIF EVER

How did you find that?!
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Post Post #132 (isolation #26) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:48 am

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Irrelephant11, what was that you always say about your scum game... you never bus?

You power-town, and keep your scum buddies alive to the end?
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Post Post #135 (isolation #27) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:52 am

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That's weird, I've just been handed a note:

"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"

- C R E A T U R E
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Post Post #144 (isolation #28) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:59 am

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(I have good feels so far: not in terms of current tangible reads, but I think nearly everyone who’s been posting will be easier to sort down the line. Well except for Carmen’s single post).
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Post Post #149 (isolation #29) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:10 am

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In post 145, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 135, Keyser Söze wrote:That's weird, I've just been handed a note:

"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"

- C R E A T U R E
is it a joke, or what? I don't get it
Sorry my bad joke - I was amused by the
'if Creature lurks he's scum'
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Post Post #152 (isolation #30) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:16 am

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In post 147, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 144, Keyser Söze wrote:(I have good feels so far: not in terms of current tangible reads, but I think nearly everyone who’s been posting will be easier to sort down the line. Well except for Carmen’s single post).
What feels do you have so far, if you don't mind me asking?

-Kor (to both again)
Can I answer this later please, I haven't got any strong feelings yet.
I'm happy with my posted mild suspicions on (lefty, TW) and good tonal feels (rat).
I feel like I need to sort you D1 - but am appreciating your pro-activeness for now.
Irrelephant11 I don't fully trust yet, but that is not to say I scum read him if that makes sense.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #31) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:19 am

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You're a she! Sorry x
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Post Post #159 (isolation #32) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:21 am

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She's quite a kinky rat!
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Post Post #160 (isolation #33) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:22 am

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@Irrelephant11 - I know it's early, but what do you make of RAT vs DR J - not scum partners?
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Post Post #208 (isolation #34) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:18 am

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Should be online later - welcome Creature! x
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Post Post #213 (isolation #35) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:29 am

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In post 210, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 135, Keyser Söze wrote:That's weird, I've just been handed a note:

"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"

- C R E A T U R E
This post honestly feels strange, I think the time for jokes is past at page 5.
I could see this as scum trying to prolong RVS, try and appear to be there while not contributing, etc.
Catching up now
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You’re the one who posted the damn meme :lol: or your other head.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #36) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:20 am

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In post 215, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 213, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 210, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 135, Keyser Söze wrote:That's weird, I've just been handed a note:

"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"

- C R E A T U R E
This post honestly feels strange, I think the time for jokes is past at page 5.
I could see this as scum trying to prolong RVS, try and appear to be there while not contributing, etc.
Catching up now
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You’re the one who posted the damn meme :lol: or your other head.
My point is still valid

Yep that was korina

Also @mod, could we have a VC?

Anyone else getting SQL errors (too many connections) and generally slow response from the site?
I think your theory that I am scum trying to keep town in RVS is wrong.

The fact you aren’t up-to-date I’ll forgive you.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #37) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:58 am

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@LCL - if you think I’m shitposting too much I’ll tone down the jokes/non-gamesolving posts a little (but in truth we’re in this journey together for 7 days solid together at a time so I want to enjoy it with the playerlist: Game solve and use it as a social, meeting new characters. My former LAMIST days are over, and I’m more relaxed now, which has actually helped me read players more accurately and be read personally more consistently too. I think my ratio of content-contribution to social-posting isn’t anywhere near anti-town level too.)
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Post Post #243 (isolation #38) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:14 am

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Please note:
scum have day chat
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Post Post #246 (isolation #39) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:54 am

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In post 162, Irrelephant11 wrote:rat/drj... possible scum partners but only if they planned for early theatre from the get go
makes me wish I knew who labrat was to know if that fits her personality but for now
it seems less likely
My tentative conclusion too. We've experienced the whole Shakespeare works here, and now we just need a murder to end the scene... :shifty: There is just enough heightened annoyance and stubborn repetition here to conclude this isn't scum theatre. Bravo, encore!


:?:
Pencilled a note in my journal about items Dr J flagged as scummy:
- surface level contradictions (as in Rat's supposed contradictory treatment towards left and Irrelephant)...
- my shitposting/attempts at light hearted humour as a scum-motivated convoluted plan to keep town trapped in RVS...

I believe they are diving too deep into these strong scum reads ('overreacting')... i.e I would expect them to rationalize a bit more: could town-rat do this? could town-keyser do this? why is scum-Rat doing this? Does scum-Keyser expect to get away with this obv-scum play?

But then I take onboard Irrelephant's comment/defence about Dr J being guilty of being LAMIST (both heads so far though IMO) - so is Dr J's behaviour excused...?

Dr J is definitely the slot I want/I need to sort today. At the moment, I'm leaning town but I feel dirty about it :?






Here's another question I just ask myself...
whyyy ask this?
In post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Why didn't you want your first vote to be random?
What's the problem with that?
Is it scummy for me to not want my first vote not to be random?
Will me answering this question help you sort me..?

[in answer to your question, I was trying to emulate a player I respect highly, who tries to get out of RVS as soon as possible]
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Post Post #248 (isolation #40) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:55 am

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Sorry for the vote worst!
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Post Post #267 (isolation #41) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:14 pm

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In post 170, Irrelephant11 wrote:Like I don't have this super strong townread on labrat but I feel like you're really sure he's scum because... he contradicted himself?
Yes, it's troubling me too. I await my tunnel with them and see how I cope under their "pressure".
I just want you two to move off from this.
In post 212, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I feel like scum tends to be more cautious with their votes.
I think you are confusing
not having strong reads
(which is justified as it's early D1, and not all the playerlist have contributed) WITH
self-cautious-scum
who are over-conscious about where their vote is.

(Meta background: The old town me used to be over-conscious about voting, sometimes even not voting whole day phases! but now I vote more freely for info/pressure, as I have demonstrated so far this game).

Again, I will once again excuse your blatant misunderstanding of my post.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #42) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:26 pm

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In post 236, ManateeDude wrote:Camels are closely related to llamas...
You gotta step up with these animal facts fam. Koala bear one was most interesting so far (I shared that fact over a meal tonight) :giggle:
In post 249, the worst wrote:
In post 92, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:LCP very town
Share why please. "Very" demands relative supporting reasons.
In post 257, the worst wrote:
In post 124, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: the worst
:shifty:
>: fam
do i get to pawn the ring you gave me now?
I need to see that spark, ducky.
So far I feel like in your recent posts, it looks like you've
started
with a read in your mind, then labelled NAI posts as "very town" when they aren't :? (i.e you know who is town already)
Suspicious bro... :cry: am I caught in confirm-bias?
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Post Post #273 (isolation #43) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:28 pm

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In post 268, the worst wrote: {lefty, Jek/Hy}
{Carmen, Creature, Volxen, Relly}
{LabRat, ?KeySo?}
Why is lefty so high?
Same level as "very town" Dr J?
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Post Post #275 (isolation #44) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:31 pm

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Gonna re-post my post:
In post 249, the worst wrote:LCP very town
Share why please. "Very" demands relative supporting reasons.
In post 257, the worst wrote:
In post 124, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: the worst
:shifty:
>: fam
do i get to pawn the ring you gave me now?
I need to see that spark, ducky.
So far I feel like in your recent posts, it looks like you've
started
with a read in your mind, then labelled NAI posts as "very town" when they aren't :? (i.e you know who is town already)
Suspicious bro... :cry: am I caught in confirm-bias?
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Post Post #278 (isolation #45) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:35 pm

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In post 270, the worst wrote:{LabRat, Creature, ?KeySo?}
Me same level as creature? :giggle:

I don't like your tier's bro.

Are you making these up, usually I can see through your eyes. Sense your focus, feel your suspicion.

You'll have to substantiate them all soon.

@Irrelephant - what you think?


P.EDIT Ok, we can go through LCP's posts if you like.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #46) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:37 pm

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Let's do one by one.
In post 46, the worst wrote:
In post 20, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard :lol:
Lcp aka mr hyde
HEY LCP<33
Are you null here or "very town" here?
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Post Post #285 (isolation #47) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:50 pm

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My comments in
mafia red
added:
In post 281, the worst wrote:
In post 20, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard :lol:
Lcp aka mr hyde
I personally wouldn't jump to calling that town so fast.

In post 63, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 31, LabRat01 wrote:do you think you'll be able to read him?
Played two consecutive completed games with him recently, so I hope that helps me.
In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:btw, DrJ is a hydra of korina and LCpl Jones (or sth like that) so unless the "brother" you're talking about is fat enough to count as 2, you should prob be using plurals
DrJ is a good short name - noted.
In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,
as partners
, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
You'll notice it's primarily one sided - I would see it more as him trying to pocket us (I'm assuming that word means scum buddying town - or have I been using that word wrong? :lol:)

Lcp
Yeah, I admittedly like this post... it's very 'I'M TOWN AND TALKING FROM A TOWN PERSPECTIVE'. But still I wouldn't call it "very town" as it can be faked by a skilled manipulator.

In post 64, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 28, Keyser Söze wrote:Currently reading Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde's and LabRat01's posts to/in relation with eachother... I will give a supported estimation whether they are scum partners in the next half hour.
This sounds like you are trying to get out of RVS / shitpost stage. That would give me a slight town inclination on you.
...and later on he thinks I'm keeping everyone in RVS... I don't know, a cheap way to give town points to me.

In post 65, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 19, Lefty wrote:oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting
I don't agree that much with this. Imo people should be held accountable for their words even in RVS. Esp. in later days it can show a lot in hindsight.


For reference I usually get on twice or three times a day then disappear between that so please don't think I'm lurking - that's my usual pattern :P

Korina should hopefully be here soon.
This is more game theory tal than game-solving talk. In no world would I bestow Dr J "very town" points for this opinion about RVS.


what part of this isn't sod1 town to you tho friend?

So in conclusion
... yeah, I don't understand how you get to "VERY TOWN".

I thought you would demonstrate a bit more paranoia and a balanced judgement here (what I would expect from town Ducky)

Or am I the only one struggling to get a strong town read on Dr J?


@Dr J - do you think it is rational for the worst to call you "very town? What am I missing here?
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Post Post #286 (isolation #48) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:53 pm

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After these unsatisfactory results, please substantiate your other reads too.
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Post Post #290 (isolation #49) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:56 pm

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In post 284, the worst wrote:
In post 282, Keyser Söze wrote:Are you null here or "very town" here?
town
that's a solvey mindset for mid-rvs, esp when most of the thread is shitposting/claiming scum
i always try to come out of rvs with some kind of read and wasn't getting strong vibes on anyone else
Do you think mine and rat's "solvey mindset for mid-rvs" is fake/forced/manufactured then?

Why don't my RVS posts warrant the
'always try to come out of rvs with some kind of read'
townie mentality?
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Post Post #291 (isolation #50) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:58 pm

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In post 289, the worst wrote:throw me a read you want explained, any read. :)
I'll wait til you've fully caught up bro.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #51) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:10 pm

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In post 292, the worst wrote:
In post 290, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 284, the worst wrote:
In post 282, Keyser Söze wrote:Are you null here or "very town" here?
town
that's a solvey mindset for mid-rvs, esp when most of the thread is shitposting/claiming scum
i always try to come out of rvs with some kind of read and wasn't getting strong vibes on anyone else
Do you think mine and rat's "solvey mindset for mid-rvs" is fake/forced/manufactured then?

Why don't my RVS posts warrant the
'always try to come out of rvs with some kind of read'
townie mentality?
yes, and yes
show me where you think i should be seeing town from you here?
Here is my question again (to make my point more clear):

You have attributed solid town feels to Dr J's effort to gamesolve during RVS.


What is unique about his vote/reasons versus my RVS game solving content?

Why doesn't my desire to come out of RVS with a read, equate to "very town"?

Why can't rat's pursuit for reads during RVS be classified as a "solvey mindset for mid-rvs"?



You've jumped head first on both town-Dr J, and scum-Rat - I need to see/feel/understand why.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #52) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:18 pm

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What's more important right now is...

We both wouldn't vig kill Dr J right now....
so convince me why Rat/Creature is scum
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Post Post #301 (isolation #53) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:58 pm

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That narrative on Creature works.
Interested to see where they decide to push.


Now gonna re-read Rat’s ISO with your mixtape playing in my ears.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #54) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:44 pm

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In post 304, Irrelephant11 wrote:My first thought is I caught scum!tw from Presidents but my second thought is that I could maybe come around
Convince me lab is scum (that was your takeaway, yes?)
Oh and creature, talk to me more on that slot @tw
Just gonna put my honest thoughts on paper, after sleeping on it:

TW entered the game scummy/‘different’

Re-entered thread (with 3 votes on them) as a man possessed. Very sure of town-Dr J, and very sure of scum-Rat. It was just the degree/intensity of the reads that I found off.

Yes, town are allowed to change their reads but their whole nature and perspective changed about RVS.

[Wearing my tin foil hat, TW came back into the thread to bus his teammate.]

However, if I am wrong about TW, TW has still presented a passionate case on Lab which I think I am willing to vote. Let’s see Rat come back into the thread first though because based on her last posts she looked defeated and exhausted.

Meanwhile, Volxen our old friend (Hiya!) has entered the thread instantly stating there is one scum in Player W, X,Y,Z by looking at a single early D1 wagon. This is definitely more of a confident and composed Volxen than we last saw from our previous game.

Has Lab limped our the thread and posted in the scum PT to be bussed? Or has TW and Volxen simply found scum? Something doesn’t feel right here.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #55) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:00 pm

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In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
I feel like even if Lab flips scum, I would still not send you to heaven.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #56) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:03 pm

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In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
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Post Post #312 (isolation #57) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 pm

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@volxen putting associations, VCA and scum partner theories aside, are you t/reading the worst independently?
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Post Post #315 (isolation #58) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:20 pm

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In post 313, the worst wrote:
In post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
this is too much :( :( :( goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCK
Again, why can’t I be town who isn’t scum-reading Labrat?

This overdramatic foreplay still doesn’t answer my question.

Why am I scum forcefully ‘steering’ off players from my ‘scumpartner’?

This new narrative about me and labrat being scum partners is very concerning.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #59) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:23 pm

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If you had a guilty on LabRat I would understand: me trying to slow down Rat’s wagon does look bad...

But you are demonstrating suspicious-TMI or OTT-confirm bias. Which one is it?
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Post Post #326 (isolation #60) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:37 pm

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In post 317, Creature wrote:
In post 278, Keyser Söze wrote:Me same level as creature?
Yeah, you're probably below
Cheeky :giggle: Really?

You’ve only made two alignment indicative posts if I squint my eyes.

There’s enough juice on my posts to lean a direction which I would admit.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #61) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:40 pm

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Felt like you were chainlinking mine and Labrat’s lynches.

I’ve seen scum do that recently (Eragon).

I was experiencing those same unsettling feelings.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #62) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:00 am

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In post 328, Creature wrote:
In post 327, Keyser Söze wrote:Felt like you were chainlinking mine and Labrat’s lynches.

I’ve seen scum do that recently (Eragon).

I was experiencing those same unsettling feelings.
Who are you talking about?
Sorry was talking to TW
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Post Post #350 (isolation #63) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:25 am

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You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?
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Post Post #356 (isolation #64) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:09 am

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If LabRat flips scum - we never send me to heaven. Deal?
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Post Post #361 (isolation #65) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:28 am

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LabRat I’m fed up of the linking. At least by this promise, if you flip red, a supposed scum WINCON can’t be achieved (as mafia need two in heaven). WIN for me, WIN for town. Then I can get on with scum hunting, because defending myself has really swayed my read of TW and Volxen and I can’t think straight. I think I’m the only one against your lynch right now so be more nice to me :giggle:

(I either need a time out or a total reset of reads)
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Post Post #363 (isolation #66) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:48 am

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Ok, I forgot that, but...

Why would the martyrs not choose to lynch me?
Someone who “steered” players off his “scum partner” on D1? Someone who was “chainsaw defended” by his “scum partner” as early as page 3 and 4?

But let’s now continue.
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Post Post #364 (isolation #67) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:11 am

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In post 349, volxen wrote:
In post 312, Keyser Söze wrote:@volxen putting associations, VCA and scum partner theories aside, are you t/reading the worst independently?
I don't feel comfortable giving TW a townread yet, no. I do think he made a good case against Rat, especially in post , and I do find Rat to have the most scum equity at the moment, but I'm not ready to write off TW as town yet either.
I don’t know about that- the way you came into the thread looking at TW’s wagon (your theory was that scum were involved in putting a player to L-2 early game - otherwise you’d be loving me, Irrelephant11 and LabRat pushing an early scum read (TW). I definitely felt you had TW as the innocent party in this scenario, who was wrongly put to L-2. I’ve seen by your comments you’ve already ruled out scum vs scum distancing between TW and Rat.

That’s why I want to see your independent reads on each player as individuals because you’ve crashlanded into the game with confirm bias you would have only gained if you’d been reading the game thoroughly from the start (if that makes sense).

Why did there HAVE to be at least one scum in those 3/4 players? Why not all town? Or do you think scum wanted TW out the way early?
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Post Post #365 (isolation #68) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:58 am

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In post 218, Creature wrote:
In post 136, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)
You're probably only right on TW.
Where’s your head at right now? What were the good(?) feels you had on lab, which I don’t think you aired while he was being pressured?
In post 219, Creature wrote:
In post 144, Keyser Söze wrote:(I have good feels so far: not in terms of current tangible reads, but I think nearly everyone who’s been posting will be easier to sort down the line.
Well except for Carmen’s single post
).
Which I read town for some reason
Is Carmen one of the many players you would send to heaven? (This is a half cheeky/half serious question). I’m quite weary of the reasons why players would send a player to heaven.
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Post Post #368 (isolation #69) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:26 am

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In post 366, LabRat01 wrote:Hey, @Keyser who would you lynch rn?
If you’d asked me 24 hours ago... TW, but I wouldn’t kill anyone right now.



I’m currently re-reading the game... currently on page 9...

I still like you versus DrJ as TvT.. (did you say my early analysis could have been replicated by a 5 year old?! I didn’t fully grasp that the first time round :giggle: )

Don’t like Creature’s entrance. So many posts, but they’re hitting no targets. Is he performing an act to think we’ll t/read him? It’s not working.

I’ll continue.
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Post Post #374 (isolation #70) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:50 am

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In post 370, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 368, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 366, LabRat01 wrote:Hey, @Keyser who would you lynch rn?
If you’d asked me 24 hours ago... TW, but I wouldn’t kill anyone right now.


I’m currently re-reading the game... currently on page 9...

I still like you versus DrJ as TvT.. (did you say my early analysis could have been replicated by a 5 year old?! I didn’t fully grasp that the first time round :giggle: )

Don’t like Creature’s entrance. So many posts, but they’re hitting no targets. Is he performing an act to think we’ll t/read him? It’s not working.

I’ll continue.
oh, sorry

but a lot has happened, so I didn't really think it would remain unchanged
what do you think of TW's reads on the hydra slot? Like, I could omit the reads on me cuz I'm not actually sure if he couldn't be bullshitting that, but I think his TR on LCpl looked honest.

and no, the 5-year old wasn't about you, but it was about left asking about sth really goofy that even a newb would be able to fake. And I thought it was weird because it's kinda clear that you're not a newb

and idak what to think about creat... I mean, I've played with him once and I remembered him being as shitty as he's in here. Everyone was TRing him for some reason, which I absolutely couldn't understand and he was town after all, but I was heavily SRing him in there and I'm kiiiind of tempted to do it in here?
kiiiind of but not really?
idk, my reads often just suck
RE: Creature
Yeah, I’d be hesitant to lynch Creature D1, as someone said town-Creature clears himself later on..? Plus, I’m sure I’ve played with him before and inccorectly read him... may dig that game out, feels years old though. He is in no way near my ‘destined for heaven’ pile though right now.


Re: TW, yesterday and this morning I really didn’t like how TW went so intense with that t/read on DrJ. In a kind of ‘he already knows he’s town so he’s gonna t/read hard every single post of his even though the post was hardly AI’.

I had a great problem coming to my eventual town lean on Dr J, so maybe I’m projecting my bias here. Maybe.

Tonight, I’m trying to relax and see if I overreacted.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #71) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:55 am

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Plus, reading through early D1 we have talked ALOT to eachother... and used eachother as reference points in sorting other players..... so what I see as social posting / natural read development between us, I could see that feeding someone’s festering paranoia about us being scum partners. I will put my hand up for that. I like playing with you. Those are the facts.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #72) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:06 am

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@Volxen, why aren’t you voting LabRat?

@Lefty - is your vote still serious?

@Dr J - do both heads agree on anyone? Or are you conflicted?
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Post Post #381 (isolation #73) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:18 am

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In post 380, LabRat01 wrote: Lol, I was actually so proud of that read when I first posted it… Not that you can tell though
:giggle: That post actually moved me to say that you were “emitting the clearest townie-game-solving thoughts so far.”

Yup, I’m proper pocketed :lol:


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Post Post #384 (isolation #74) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:24 am

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In post 377, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Mod I’m always v/la saturday & sunday


My one thought without fully catching up is this seems like a towny volxen, unless he’s trying very very hard to improve his scumgame (no nuance there)
Improvement noticed too... would like to witness wider focus though.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #75) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:06 pm

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Both my t/leans and the players I’m not t/reading are loving TW.
Willing to except I’m wrong about him...
this wagon has been killed.
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Post Post #421 (isolation #76) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:21 pm

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In post 411, the worst wrote:
In post 350, Keyser Söze wrote:You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?
why is this so ridiculous...?
the reason chainsawing is a scumtell is that inexperienced scum players tend to do it unintentionally :lol:
I was just being OMGUS’y against you and Volxen it seems......... unwilling to accept being scum read unjustly.

[In truth though, in that scenario, ‘scum-LabRat’ was using me as a springboard to attack ‘townies’ for questioning me (who she knows is town).]

Obviously, I’m terribly wrong about everyone.

Let’s kill LabRat then “town”.

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Post Post #426 (isolation #77) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:29 pm

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Why don’t you join us on “obvious scum” Lab rat?
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Post Post #428 (isolation #78) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:31 pm

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Ah so Lab Rat is town now?
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Post Post #433 (isolation #79) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:40 pm

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Let’s lynch LabRat!

For the posts about the role pm, defending me on page 3 and 4 and stuff she did
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Post Post #437 (isolation #80) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:52 pm

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In post 435, the worst wrote:there's always gonna be arguments for one way or the other but it's pretty natural that an argument which rings true to your scum meta will resonate with you

i think it's possible, just think keyser has higher scum equity than labby rn even though i don't like labby's posting :(
You can post your whole scum case on me now please.

I have the right to defend myself to the witnesses present.
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Post Post #452 (isolation #81) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:10 pm

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I’m not feeling well, 24 hour VLA please
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Post Post #461 (isolation #82) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:01 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #529 (isolation #83) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:14 am

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Found the game where I’d played with Creature (both of us were town). Here were my comments on his contributions that game:

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”lack of understanding of the sincerity of either read”

“gut bad-feels”

“[Concern: is Creature just wagon pushing for the sake of a lynch, or pushing wagons to truly sort players? I want to believe and see that Creature s/reads a player and commits there (not just with votes but with words)]”

“Creature has been a constant 'presence' in the game, will re-read his interactions around the flipped scum, but I feel like he still hasn't been able to obv-town.”


It’s basically a tale of
frustration
, so I would be hesitant to hard s/read his behaviour/posts/attitude. He’s not a classic powertown poster.
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Post Post #532 (isolation #84) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:25 am

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Post Post #538 (isolation #85) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:00 pm

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Why isn’t your vote on LabRat or me (you said it was “probably never” that we were both town).



I personally don’t like TW jumping on the Creature wagon - Creature, a slot who will never shine in the classic sense like a townie (playstyle) like me. Suddenly Creature is the easy “EoD compromise lynch”. I’d prefer TW to present his full Keyser case D1 and expand on his original heavy case on LabRat:
In post 480, the worst wrote:Creature man why can't you just bus like a normal cheeky scumfuck? You're making this too obvious :P
I don’t like this - it’s keeping pressure on Creature but with nothing constructive to add.
In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
Another post like this.
Why isn’t TW voting LabRat if he believed this?

In post 424, the worst wrote:just musing bc i've got to the top of this page:

there is a world where i'm wrong on labby
i don't think i'm wrong on creature and i think keyser is more likely scum than labby if i'm wrong on them being s/s

the language around "if labby flips red..." and the fact keyser appears to be JUMPING INTO their associatives so heavily pings agenda-ey, but feels anti-s/s. at the same time i think keyser knows that this kind of behaviour doesn't look like s/s so i feel like he might even do it as s/s? i need to have a better think abt this but like i'm vibing

hell: Creature unless he towns, Keyser
heaven: volxen, DrJ, maybe me
LabRat isn’t even in TW’s hell group now, just a name he keeps bumping and connecting to players.

Conclusion: something seriously stinks between the TW-LabRat dynamic.

Oh, and don’t like TW’s buddying/whiteknighting of Dr J.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #86) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:08 pm

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In post 61, Lefty wrote:This pace is gonna kill me. I’m used to like 48h deadlines
:giggle:
It appears you haven’t been able to keep up with the “pace”

Can we get replacements in 48 hours before EOD1 (so they have time to catchup)?
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Post Post #544 (isolation #87) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:06 pm

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Please present your full scum case on me as I simply don’t trust you.

Your “trajectory” on LabRat is the very thing I am finding suspicious, not t/reading for.
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Post Post #545 (isolation #88) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:09 pm

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In post 535, Creature wrote:
In post 533, the worst wrote:Can you See the difference between that game and this game?
It's an old game, but whatever.
Do you believe you have posted anything outright town indicative this game?
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Post Post #546 (isolation #89) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:29 pm

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@Irrelephant I really need your world view right now.
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Post Post #548 (isolation #90) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:22 am

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1) I’d rather you present to the whole playerlist why you think I am scum. Surely you want me lynched? Even Volxen wanted to escalate it into a consolidation.
2) I don’t want you to keep peddling my lynch/wagon through to D3, and beyond, as I am very misslynchable. I rather we deal with it over 1 or 2 pages then continue from there.
3) I personally don’t like you linking me to LabRat, and to Creature.
4) disagree with your point two: If I magically transform you can still s/read me for changing up my playstyle to fit your idea of what town-Keyser is
5) If I believe your scum-case I think I’ll be more inclined to trust you. All I feel is agenda-driven pushes from you so far.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #91) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:46 am

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Ok, let’s stop talking about you (but Volxen and I are still waiting for the full case on me before D2).

Can you give me a summary case of Creature.


From my experience with town-Creature:
- his spam will always outweigh his content
- he’ll never LAMIST/try to convey super-Townie
- he’ll project that he’s not bothered about being s/read
- antagonise players s/reading him
- not explain every one of his votes in great detail
- his read trajectory won’t be explicit and supported

I would usually s/read other players for being guilty for some of these, but Creature does these as town.


You said my “meta on Creature is a joke”. If so, you think Creature is obv-scumming right now?

Please present why Creature is scum (via meta) in a summary paragraph so that we can send him to hell.
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Post Post #555 (isolation #92) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:27 am

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Ok, this is your most convincing case so far.

I will have to put my meta defence in the bin.

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Post Post #575 (isolation #93) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:34 am

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In post 568, Creature wrote:nor Keyser obviously
Thank you.
First person to read me correctly this game is the player I’m voting for :giggle:
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Post Post #583 (isolation #94) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:42 am

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TW, why do you think this is game where I would easily come to reads?

Why don’t you realise that this playerlist has been painful?

Not enjoying = less WHIM
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Post Post #585 (isolation #95) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:44 am

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Oops not WHIM
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Post Post #587 (isolation #96) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:46 am

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WIM (want it more)

I need more voices in the thread
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Post Post #591 (isolation #97) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:56 am

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We really need 9 active voices, with a third of us being scum. There has been a stagnant focus on me, LabRat and Creature so far which I don’t like. That is not a gamesolve.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #98) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:10 am

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In post 593, Creature wrote:
In post 591, Keyser Söze wrote:me, LabRat and Creature
Time to turn this a townblock?
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Post Post #597 (isolation #99) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:14 am

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If we had scum chat I’d tell us to STFU as we make up 54% of the total post count.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #100) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:40 am

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@LabRat- I had no reasons to vote you (anti town of me, sorry). I wanted to bait a reaction out of TW and you. But not the reaction I was hoping for... the opposite happened... you stopped posting, and TW has grown colder with your lynch.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #101) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:27 am

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In post 624, LabRat01 wrote:And if you think TW is scum, why do you think it's important that he thinks I'm scummy?
I wanted to test the integrity of his s/read of you and his propaganda - but now he thinks I have more "scum equity", and you are more likely to be town than me so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post Post #629 (isolation #102) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:29 am

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In post 616, LabRat01 wrote:You’re making it sound like you’re sure that creat is unreadable. Have you ever played scum with him? if not, why even resort to meta arguments if so many people said that he does play differently as scum?
Did you miss the part where I threw my meta defence of Creature into the bin? :oops:
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Post Post #631 (isolation #103) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:42 am

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Hi creature, if you had to LAMIST/serious post for the rest of D1, would that take the fun out of the game for you?
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Post Post #636 (isolation #104) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:22 am

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In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 384, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 377, Irrelephant11 wrote:My one thought without fully catching up is this seems like a towny volxen, unless he’s trying very very hard to improve his scumgame (no nuance there)
Improvement noticed too... would like to witness wider focus though.
is this you saying he's "improved scum" or that he's town?
It's theoretically possible this is his improved scumgame (and he's tryhard enough to get there) but it's a BIG jump from easy-to-lynch-d1 scum!volxen from WW
Interesting question/view.
Yes, maybe I have attributed the confidence he has shown in this game (versus the 'hating on lurkers'/'forcing out early readslist' underwhelming play of WW) as town indicative.

So maybe yeah, he could have just stepped up his scum game.

When everyone has posted I would like to see his global view though (then my read on him would develop into a more resounding green).
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Post Post #638 (isolation #105) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:32 am

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What a game...

So the two players I thought would be able to read me correctly are scum reading me.

While the #1 lynch candidate for the hell phase thinks I’m town.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #106) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:50 am

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In post 635, Irrelephant11 wrote:keyser what's your read on creature rn
- Didn’t want to lynch D1, usually proves his alignment later on
- provided town meta defence for Creature (defence deemed a joke and bullshit)
- happy to concede and sheep TW’s case
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Post Post #640 (isolation #107) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:52 am

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In post 637, Creature wrote:
In post 631, Keyser Söze wrote:Hi creature, if you had to LAMIST/serious post for the rest of D1, would that take the fun out of the game for you?
Not if I could still do the stuff I like to do.
Please could you explain your town read of me (summary is fine) x
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Post Post #701 (isolation #108) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:58 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #755 (isolation #109) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:42 pm

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In post 683, Creature wrote:Keyser feels like the most genuine atleast. The rest all have some scum equity.
Genuine belief: something is seriously wrong with the two lead wagons right now.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #110) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:43 pm

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Hi Eragon
Strong entrance.
I’m happy you’ve joined us x
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Post Post #758 (isolation #111) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:51 pm

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Well if TW is town, then maybe scum after sheeping his wrong reads.

I didn’t like how D1 right through to D4 was already planned out without at least a third of the playerlist not contributing. That stinks. Maybe just exuberant over-confidence from Ducky then.

Creature-Keyser-LabRat: Gamesolve? No judge. That is not.
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Post Post #760 (isolation #112) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:26 am

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In post 759, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm townreading too much of the playerlist... Hm.
Keyser what did that first sentence mean?
"Well if TW is town, then maybe scum after sheeping his wrong reads."


TW doesn't have to be the agenda-driving scumlord. Scum will more likely be in his allies, hiding in his sails, completing his conquest for him.
Unfortunately that means I'm looking at you right now among others.
I now await Lefty's next move (or inevitable replace out) to complete the picture.
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Post Post #763 (isolation #113) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:16 am

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Spoiler: fluff for Irrelphant
Yeah, you're not actually voting/sheeping TW's target right now. You're just trying to kill a townie :/
Out of 9 players with 3 scum in it, I am your #1 scum lord trying to send innocent animals to hell?

No I don't buy you think that. Unfortunately you're caught in the web. I am thus forced to look at you to try find out if you're an innocent bystander or pulling the strings.

1 At worst I am a townie who has de-railed/slowed down two wagons on two legitimate obvious scum, and will pay the consequences.
2 At best I am a townie trying to reshake the stubborn mindscape of the majority and trying to stop the planned misslynches.

(Currently I believe in 2. If it's 1, it's another learning lesson for me for being to paranoid)

My only allie this game is Creature :lol: , who I helped to put to L-1 :giggle: :facepalm: who actually thinks I'm "genuine".


I will promise to stop talking about me now, as this does nothing to help me achieve my win-con, only to protect my image with a disclaimer




Tell me why Volxen is in the 75%-99% town criteria right now?
I admittedly witnessed a technical "improvement", but I am hesitant to invest
serious
town coin in that slot right now.
Please convince me there.
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Post Post #764 (isolation #114) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:22 am

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@ManateeDude


Replacement for Lefty + 24 hour extension please xx
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Post Post #767 (isolation #115) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:40 am

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Odds of the entire famous 5 WW squad being all-town? Not good :giggle:
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Post Post #768 (isolation #116) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:41 am

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Cheers for your post mate, will read it Over dinner x
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Post Post #775 (isolation #117) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:04 am

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Those are some strong reasons Irrelephant11 (noticing similar: thought processes, depth, search for motivation and concern, between those games).

I will pay respect to your added experience with Volxen too. Defence noted.

I will recalibrate my read accordingly.
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Post Post #783 (isolation #118) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:24 am

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In post 776, Irrelephant11 wrote:keyser are you scum
Underperforming town.
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Post Post #786 (isolation #119) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:31 am

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In your opinion, does scum-Creature saying I’m the only “genuine” mofo, good or bad in terms of associations with him?
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Post Post #788 (isolation #120) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:33 am

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In post 787, the worst wrote:about as neutral as it should be I think
So he’s just WIFOM shooting... shouting names for null fun...?

Including his scum read of Volxen + Dr J (two of the most loved slots this game)?
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Post Post #791 (isolation #121) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:11 am

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In post 789, the worst wrote:
In post 788, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 787, the worst wrote:about as neutral as it should be I think
So he’s just WIFOM shooting... shouting names for null fun...?

Including his scum read of Volxen + Dr J (two of the most loved slots this game)?
My brain aches because I think having nonsense reads which go against the grain is >rand town but citing meta and calling people bad when you're asked to explain them is >rand wolf (refer: my scumgame)

if he is indeed scum yeah he just yells random names. there isn't a discerbable rhyme or reason to whether or not he would treat a scumbuddy or a townie the way he's treating you I don't think

I can re dive Heroes Wanted or smth to see if it might spew you but his meta is in a state of aggressive flux so like, I don't want to
Yells random names

Good, just protecting myself incase he does flip mafia :giggle:

I just thought to myself, in that scenario, he may be trying to shade two of the most established universal town reads by instilling paranoia in our minds... then link me to himself via an unexplained town read! :o

Good thing he isn’t scum though right!

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Post Post #797 (isolation #122) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:21 pm

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TW and Irrelephant - do you town read eachother as highly as eachother?
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Post Post #799 (isolation #123) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:53 pm

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He’s probably pocketed me in the sense I empathasized with his frustration yesterday (his appeal to emotion, regardless of alignment) made me want to take a step back. When you’re in the same boat as someone you can’t just help but feel like brothers. If the shoe was on the other foot and I was L-1 i’m sure he would have
unvoted too!
hammered me probably :lol:

I was hoping he would expand on his t/read of me but I don’t think that’s his style.

But the thing why try pocket only me? I’m only one vote, who hasn’t got any serious credit or control right now, so it’s a wasted buddying attempt if anything. There are lots of more persuasive players out there willing to flip him today. Eragon wasn’t even directly buddied/pocketed.. he just jumped in there with a straight town read.
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Post Post #860 (isolation #124) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:36 am

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In post 857, Irrelephant11 wrote:keyser what is your read on DrJ?
Think it was: 'town lean, but it makes me feel dirty'


I really wanted to look at Lefty today :/ TW said he was town but I did not feel it for the short time he was with us.

May look at Dr J and Eragon instead and figure out a PoE. Cos right now it kinda feels like I'm onboard the Orient Express.
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Post Post #861 (isolation #125) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:41 am

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In post 856, Irrelephant11 wrote:1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum?
tbh, if Volxen did flip scum in heaven I would look at you (you are a type of scum-player to white-knight his scum teammates to high heaven and not bus) :cool:
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Post Post #862 (isolation #126) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:58 am

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Digging up DrJ's ISO... if anyone has time do the same.
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Post Post #865 (isolation #127) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:32 am

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Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde re-read


Gonna try pick out only meaningful items that still bear a ring of truth to me.


(Part 1 of 2?)

"I would see it more as him trying to pocket us"

Yup, some good ol' town paranoia here from Dr J.

"This sounds like you are trying to get out of RVS / shitpost stage. That would give me a slight town inclination on you."

Rings slightly LAMISt-y. Easy town points given out IMO. Scum also have motivation to appear serious too during RVS to appear town...

My head's going round in circles with post #92 regarding their thoughts on Carmen and LabRat. Dr J then asks half a dozen of semi-to-low game solving questions.

"Derp-clears are easy to fake, and shouldn't be used as the basis for a TR IMO."

Dr J is pretty firm with their stance here... but maybe too game theory related to get me excited about.

"I'm town-soulreading his activity, however, I'm scum-reading his content."

Ok, this may eloquently explain Dr J's infatuation with LabRat then. I was intrigued by the associations between these two slots during RVS too.

"because I'm seeing it as you're pretty sure that Carmen is actually scum"

Dr J suspected a Carmen-Labrat scum team. Noted. Overlooked this post (probs coz I couldn't get my head around post #92.)

"HOLD ON, WAIT A FUCKING MOMENT: Why the fuck is Irrel allowed to make a joke about them being scum, and have it be dismissed as RVS, yet Carmen can do the same exact thing, during RVS, and yet gets called out for being scummy on it?"

Hmmm.. calling out LabRat for contradicting himself/being hypocritical is slightly LAMIST-y :?

Dr J's suspicions is quite intense here. Wondering how they unvote here.
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Post Post #866 (isolation #128) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:08 am

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Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde re-read

(Part 2 of 2)

"How would Keyser know that unless he's scum?"

It appears Dr J takes things literally... or misses the tone of posts. Is this a cute thing to town read...? @Irrelephant11, or NAI?

"I could see this as scum trying to prolong RVS, try and appear to be there while not contributing, etc."

More LAMIST-y (?) but from LCL this time.

"Have you a case behind this? Or just waiting for the sake of it?!"
This is a weird over-reaction (?)
In post 212, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I feel like scum tends to be more cautious with their votes. I definitely am like that a lot. So this feels scummy.

VOTE: Keyser

N.b. if Korina voted anyone by page 9 I will revote not to disturb his scumhunting
Did LCL need to put that "N.b." after his vote to cover his ass'? (which I personally hated). His momentum needed to stay with LabRat IMO. He does unvote later...

"I'd probably call it an attempt to buddy me, given I know him from back then, and am possibly likely to respond by TRing him."

This self reflection looks good on him.

"Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon"

Half the playerlist weren't even actively posting - I don't think we can draw that clear RVS conclusion here.

"he kind of feels like he is enthusiastic"

I would sheep that sentiment about TW though.

"I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me,"
That was bugging me, so I'm glad it bugged Dr J too.

Consolidated case (post #398) on LabRat - better now than I first first.

"Come join me on him. That means scum has to get their entire team into heaven making it much more difficult for them to win"

"It will flip scum, I'm 99% sure"

Some nice confidence shown here on their new zealous scum read of Creature :giggle:

"good reply, will read in detail later tonight, but I'll bump you farther down the scum list"

"All that being said I definitely feel much less like you are scum. Your reaction here to my post feels very town"

@Dr J , PLease can we see the detail and reasons for this, the whys and hows.



Gonna have to put together some conclusions now...
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Post Post #867 (isolation #129) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:18 am

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In post 866, Keyser Söze wrote:Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon"
Half the playerlist weren't even actively posting - I don't think we can draw that clear RVS conclusion here.
“clear VCA conclusion here”
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Post Post #868 (isolation #130) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:23 am

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You there Irrelephant11?
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Post Post #870 (isolation #131) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:42 am

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Want to talk about my concerns.

If you feel me..I mean FILL me with enough confidence and peace of mind over these 2 items, I’d be happy to send Dr J to heaven



What’s the possibility of:

1 DrJ imitating their LAMIST-y output to pad out their active questioning? (Scum motivation? To be town read via meta)

2 is it coincidence or scum pt agenda, that their two main passionate pushes (LabRat and Creature) have reflected the in-game focus too? Notice the two campaigns /scum reads never overlapped. The timing... the support... the tunnel vision...
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Post Post #873 (isolation #132) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:58 am

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I think DR J may have even started both, but knowing scum have day chat and know when to add momentum or when to spark a new wagon I wouldn’t read too much into that.
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Post Post #875 (isolation #133) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:01 am

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DrJ versus LabRat felt overkill....

DrJ versus Creature felt like ‘I’ve found confirmed scum and not gonna let go’...
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Post Post #876 (isolation #134) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:01 am

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In post 874, Irrelephant11 wrote:....

I'll just let you post conclusions and we can go from there
We are working through my conclusions
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Post Post #877 (isolation #135) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:03 am

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You’re basically helping me to see I don’t have anything to worry about them (my own personal concerns are more like tin foil hat fantasies, bred from the bossom of LCD)
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Post Post #879 (isolation #136) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:06 am

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I did assign them some homework to do though.
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Post Post #881 (isolation #137) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:13 am

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Strong town lean.
Destined for heaven.
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Post Post #882 (isolation #138) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:15 am

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Btw Irrelephant, you have too many town reads right now :giggle:

In a game with an especially high number of scum this is suprising too :shifty:
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Post Post #885 (isolation #139) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:37 am

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In post 884, Irrelephant11 wrote:wait how did you get to strong townlean?
I'm not sure I see anything other than mild townlean in your catchup
They were already a town lean (but I felt dirty)

After my re-read and our chat...

Their playstyle is apparently nothing outside their town meta... it sounds like I’m merely tinfoiling that they’ve pocketed me via meta-replication.

I’m not finding their timing/choice/progression on LabRat/Creature as suspicious as I first was... maybe they’re just slashing at their scum read with unnatural conviction in their own unique way, while the real scum swoop in after (?).



It would be good to hear your view of them after your re-read.

Are they currently higher or lower than town lean?
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Post Post #886 (isolation #140) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:40 am

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In post 883, Irrelephant11 wrote:you/creature/eragon
Interesting trio.
I’ll look at Eragon next.



FTR, does Carmen like to play as scum?
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Post Post #888 (isolation #141) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:19 am

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I do.

But you know me... winds can change :twisted:


LabRat would be a good full re-read. To determine: what have they actively discovered this game?

Creature I like, but I wouldn’t be surprised whatever way they flip (this is not me saying they are null).
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Post Post #905 (isolation #142) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:27 am

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In post 593, Creature wrote:
In post 591, Keyser Söze wrote:me, LabRat and Creature
Time to turn this a townblock?
Tempted.
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Post Post #914 (isolation #143) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:41 am

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What is this :lol:

Welcome Ausuka!!!!
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Post Post #926 (isolation #144) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:42 pm

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Uh oh Eragon
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Post Post #929 (isolation #145) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:46 pm

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@Eragon - Read mine and Irrelphants posts regarding Dr J (in terms of his playstyle).

Yes, Dr J is still a top end t/lean. Not a full seasoned town read though (Imma waiting for two specific things first).
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Post Post #930 (isolation #146) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:48 pm

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Now would be a good time for Creature to turn up (nope I’m not “coaching my teammates”! :roll: )
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Post Post #931 (isolation #147) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:01 pm

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In post 896, Irrelephant11 wrote:Mostly for coming out of reading DrJ with a strong townread
and wanting him to be town because I like him :giggle:
I love how we can work together, while resting our hands on our holsters, ready to blow eachother’s heads off. That felt healthy.
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Post Post #959 (isolation #148) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:08 pm

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@LabRat you’re not TW
I have no play history with you
Why would I react the same way I react to you the same way with TW
Certain town tells/scum tells aren’t universal that can magically be applied to all players
There is nothing wrong with how I was suspicious with TW this game.
Even if it has put me in the s**t, I had to air it.

Awful vote LabRat.
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Post Post #962 (isolation #149) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:15 pm

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@the worst - you think I’m scum-scum with nearly everyone. :giggle: Labby, Creature, Irrelphant and probably even eragon?

What does that tell you? I’m the constant in your suspicions. I’m the player who looks scummy through his interactions (I would call pro-active sorting) with most of the players you don’t t/read
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Post Post #964 (isolation #150) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:18 pm

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Is Ausuka that high based on Lefty posts?
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Post Post #967 (isolation #151) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:19 pm

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I’m a slimy player. Being connected to every player is my game
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Post Post #974 (isolation #152) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:05 am

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You said your reads had changed?
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Post Post #978 (isolation #153) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:09 am

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In post 819, Creature wrote:Like, if I townread both Jekill and volxen, who would be left to scumread? Carmen, Lefty and LabRat?
I kept reading this post to myself... I think I know how you're feeling.
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Post Post #979 (isolation #154) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:12 am

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In post 977, Creature wrote:I'm back to thinking Korina is town
Yes, I'm a lot more comfortable calling DrJ town now than I was earlier.
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Post Post #986 (isolation #155) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:43 am

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VOTE: Ausuka

PoE is a good place to vote right now.
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Post Post #989 (isolation #156) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:24 am

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In post 987, the worst wrote:I really don't think we should be lynching a 22 posting slot that's been vacant for nearly the entire day over people who have produced content who are readable. Even if Ausuka is scum she has two buddies we can lynch.
UNVOTE:
That means today’s lynch is either Creature or me then (?)

Reading comments from the last few pages, we have the most “scum equity”, and are also being strongly linked as “scumpartners”.

LabRat and Eragon have turned on me (while Creature is in the process of being hung, stretched and quartered) so I’m forced to look at them for the last chapter.



Creature before the hammer...

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Post Post #990 (isolation #157) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:25 am

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VOTE: Eragon
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Post Post #991 (isolation #158) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:56 am

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There’s gotta be scum in the Watchmen :giggle:

Imagine if it’s The Watchman Wanted vs Mafia :cool:
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #159) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:17 am

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In post 994, Eragon wrote:
i'll hammer if neccesary
What was your whole entrance scene then - Masturbatory posturing?


Surely you must have a PoE?
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #160) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:22 am

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What players are in your PoE? My mobile can’t see it.
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Post Post #1023 (isolation #161) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:04 am

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I feel I should
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LabRat01's post/vote:
In post 954, LabRat01 wrote:Fck, just noticed that there’s less than a day left xd

VOTE: Keyser

I want to lynch him today. I still don’t like his interactions with Creature and the way he was going about TW the whole game was just weird imo.
What is scummy about my interactions with Creature? Is it because you think we're scum partners?


I’ve got a half-finished reads on everyone on the computer at home, but there isn’t much time, so I’ll try to re-write at least part it on the phone. Sorry if it ends up being unreadable, I can't really do anything about that here

I find the way Keyser pushed TW during the game to be really off. He was perfectly able to TR me based on my emotional postings and he’s absolutely refusing to notice the same thing in TW’s posts, even though there’s way more of it and it’s way more obvious.
I've seen scum-TW express a full array of emotions, so I couldn't hold up your emotional parameters against him and judge you by the same measuring stick.


TW’s flip-flops are a really good example imo. Like his “I DON’T KNOW KEYSER” flip-flop on me, or the way he’s being paranoid about creature since quite a while, or even the way he refused to present his case on keyser for so long and was sulking later because he felt like he said so much. There’s so freaking much of it and it’s an obviously better argument than most of the scum-tells keyser has been posting so far.
It kind of feels like Keyser got frozen with his read on TW early on and didn’t want to change it or notice anything townie going on about TW because he was salty that TW managed to SR him right.
I did admittedly become frozen: but it was because I'd given up on pushing his wagon. If both your t/reads and your s/reads are telling you you're wrong... most of the time you are wrong in my experience. If he's scum he's gonna enter heaven non-opposed now.


Keyser said multiple times that he’s trying to re-evaluate TW, so if he’s town and he was really trying to get over his bad feelings, he’d surely have noticed all of those town-tells. I mean, he was able to notice those in my posts, so why the heck not in TW’s?
Yeah, I thought he was driving scum agendas, but I concede he may just be a over-passionate townie.


I didn’t also get a good feeling out of the way he interacted with TW in general. He was SRing TW nearly the whole game, yet when talking about the other reads, he seemed to be treating him as a town-leader (kind of a weak attitude, still willing to sheep reads despite having TW as his SR and without bothering to change his read later).
Just because I don't t/read a player doesn't mean I won't listen to what they have to say. I'm impressionable, and open to being wrong.


It kinda feels like coming from a stressed scum, who has no idea how to interact with TW as TvS.
Frustrated town.


This gives me a rather decent SR on him rn.

In post 861, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 856, Irrelephant11 wrote:1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum?
tbh, if Volxen did flip scum in heaven I would look at you (you are a type of scum-player to white-knight his scum teammates to high heaven and not bus) :cool:
man, you’re either a genius or just suck at interactions
It's a mere theory. It's either right or wrong - there's no genius or sucking involved.


it smells of SvS so god damn much
Scum between me and who?


How are you so confident that Irre’s scum meta from the lovers game would be valid and he isn’t bussing in here right now? Seriously, no carefulness, no hesitation, nothing?
It's a quick off-the-cuff theory, not a 1000 word Finger of Suspicion. Are you tryin to project the suspicion I should be having on Irrelphant?


If it was a joke, it didn’t make me laugh
In post 892, Irrelephant11 wrote: Now the question is: would Keyser make this towncase on a townie as scum? I think most of my scumread of Keyser came from lack of nuance/mutual scumread with at first/buddying vibes
If Keyser is scum here he feels confident that buddying with the right people will save his team, or he's scum with DrJ...

Maybe it's just eragon/creature/lefty
Of course he freaking would
Nearly everyone has been TRing DrJ before Keyser did it rn, so him changing his opinion rn is of absolutely no value
I didn't change my read from scum to town on Dr J. He went from a low end town lean, to a top end town lean. There is no operatic scum motivation for me to do that. There was a developing/gradual change of read after a re-read and chat with Irrelephant.


C’mon, you’re better than this, this logic doesn’t even make sense
In post 897, Irrelephant11 wrote:but actually his case on DrJ was the first time this game he's been objectively very much like his town self, imo
reminds me of his Presidents play, finally
Not sure it's enough for anything resembling a strong townread but I think we already agreed not to lynch him today
And I really don’t like that change
I tend to change my reads a lot. New information is supplied every page and after every flip. Get used to it.
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Post Post #1026 (isolation #162) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:16 am

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Post Post #1046 (isolation #163) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:38 am

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In post 1028, volxen wrote:
In post 950, Ausuka wrote:
In post 29, Keyser Söze wrote:For some reason I thought it was a 7:2 setup... learnt from the OP that there are in fact three mafia!
:igmeou:
I find that odd as well now that you mention it... do you think Keyser was trying to fake towntell here?

In any case, I'm concerned about Keyser. He voted for Creature then quickly unvoted, and given the interactions between him and Creature, it wouldn't exactly be shocking if they are scum together. I don't know if his vote for Creature was genuine, or if he was just faking a willingness to lynch Creature. After all, unlike Watcher Wanted this game setup can potentially be very punishing of busing, since 2/3 scum have to make it to Heaven for them to win. So if Keyser and Creature are scum together, Keyser may simply be unwilling to bus here.

Then again, I'm concerned about Eragon as well. He very quickly came to the conclusion that Creature was town, and before he developed his townread of my slot, Creature was his strongest townread. Based on Creature's content in this game, I'm not sure I believe that his initial townread of Creature, and especially how quickly he developed it, is genuine.

I'm like 99.99% certain that there is at least one scum among {Keyser, Creature, Eragon}. I don't see a world where they are all town.
Post 29 isn’t alignment indicative. It’s null.

Me and Creature aren’t scum partners.

I voted him because my town meta defence of him was deemed a joke and weak.
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Post Post #1049 (isolation #164) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:41 am

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I don’t think I should be the D1 lynch guys.

But if I’m your strongest scum read, then ok then. My playstyle doesn’t work on this site anymore.


Bye guys been fun last few games. See you in couple years
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #165) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:41 am

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I was VT
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Post Post #1113 (isolation #166) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:28 am

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Unlucky Creature.
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Post Post #1115 (isolation #167) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:29 am

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This Creature-Keyser scum team agenda must stop.
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #168) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:39 am

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I think we should actually let my D1 PoE (Ausuka, LabRat and Eragon) take the lead for the heaven phase :shifty:

I’d love to see them send someone town to heaven.
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #169) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:46 am

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So wait, we couldn’t send Ausuka to hell coz they’d only made 22 posts... but now we’re gonna send Volxen to heaven who has only 20 posts? :?
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Post Post #1127 (isolation #170) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:48 am

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I say we sort Dr J and LabRat today, in regard oath to heaven.

Lots of data on both.

Lots of connections on both.

Lots of opinions on both.
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Post Post #1130 (isolation #171) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:06 pm

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Let’s counter

VOTE: Dr J
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #172) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:25 pm

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Gonna park my vote there for now and look at LabRat. Didn’t like where their focus was in the latter part of D1 (they kept pressure on Creature and me). They began D1 as an easy town read, but ended it in my PoE - now I gotta take off my OMGUS glasses.
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #173) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:52 am

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In post 97, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Yea, I'm looking at his posts and thinking they're weird.
I'm town-soulreading his activity, however, I'm scum-reading his content
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Hi Dr J, I was fascinated and agreeable to your description of LabRat's play from D1. Do you have a further/new thoughts about that slot from your PT?
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Post Post #1147 (isolation #174) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:23 am

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Trying to figure out the point where LabRat turned on me, and why.


Start of D1, I felt we were mutually 'happy' with eachother (defending eachother..?).
LabRat even was happy with my apology for voting for her (even though she was a t/read of mine), but not to do it again.

Then LabRat said he was going to do a re-read...

*MAYBE HERE*


Then LabRat started her surprising late assault on me:

"I want to lynch him today."
"don’t like his interactions with Creature"
"the way he was going about TW the whole game was just weird"
"the way Keyser pushed TW during the game to be really off"
"didn’t also get a good feeling out of the way he interacted with TW in general"
"stressed scum"
"POE, MY ASS, NO IT’S NOT"
"it feels like you’re either getting desperate and trying to think of bullshit that would save you and creat from getting lynched"
"Seriously, this is awful"
"vote keyser with me"
"what do you think about lynching him?"
"wagon Keyser with me"






Ooooh, here is an interesting post, late D1.

Eragon rages a question to TW, but LabRat answers:
In post 1038, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 995, Eragon wrote:so im assuming you are pretty sure keyser flips scum based off of this and other posts, but you think the most likely thing is Town lab defending Scum keyser and then hard-pushing him EoD?
I don’t think I’ve ever defended him? I didn’t have a strong read on him through most of the game and even if I wanted to, I wouldn’t even have an opportunity to defend him till like, people started making reads that weren’t 90% based on meta… It was more of him defending me through most of the game
This legit feels sounds like a townie who doesn't want to be connected with scummy slime (me)
, or seen to be doing a suspicious U-TURN. LabRat jumped in to answering Eragon's question to TW and put the record straight: 'I HAVE NEVER HAD TOWN RELATIONS WITH THAT MAN!'
I think LabRat may be back in my good books.

Am I miss-reading this?
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #175) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:26 am

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raises* not rages
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #176) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:38 am

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3 really bad posts from Eragon EoD1:

In post 1010, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 994, Eragon wrote:
i'll hammer if neccesary
What was your whole entrance scene then - Masturbatory posturing?


Surely you must have a PoE?
In post 1067, Eragon wrote:Keyser’s AtE And shit is incredibly wolfy but makes me sad to lynch him

Creature on the other hand I still hold his tone has been towny but i’ve Liked his posts a lot less recently
In post 1074, Eragon wrote:I’ll be voting one of keyser/creature in 20 minutes


Stinks of opportunistic and very willing to execute the misslynch and keep the focus/pressure on us.... "yeah, they look so towny but, but, but, but yeah they also sound so scummy"


I.e their actions do not reflect their supposed reads.
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Post Post #1150 (isolation #177) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:44 am

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Why was your D1 vote on Dr J and not me/Lab?
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #178) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:56 am

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In post 594, the worst wrote:{tw}
{DrJ}
{volxy}
{Relly}
{lefty}
{carmen}
{labby}
{keyser}
{crature}
In post 647, Irrelephant11 wrote:{me}
{tw, volxen, DrJ}
{labrat}
{Carmen, lefty} - null
{keyser}
{creature}

:shifty:


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Post Post #1155 (isolation #179) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:35 am

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Btw Volxen, it’s hard to get a solid/genuine read on you if you’re poppping in and out every 5 pages.

NGL, right now I’m relying on Irrelephant’s meta defence on you to put you above null into green.

Need to see some natural conversation/interactions. I can see you’re thinking alot, but would prefer to see you think on your toes, instead of these longer posts (I’m sure you’d understand if I feared scum-you would have time to manufacture these posts).
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #180) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:15 am

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Yes, it’s harder to draw tone out of walls... plus restricts associations between you and players.

It’ll probably stop me from having you ever as my #1 pick for heaven tbh, as there’ll always be that worry you’re playing a very careful game (I can see potential scum motivation in that).

I look forward to your reads today though: can remember you being part of the mob that pushed the Creature-Keyser scumteam narrative. How does Creature’s flip effect your read on me now? Were we just two desperate townies in the same boat?

Can also remember you strongly disliking Eragon’s town case on Creature too... do you think it was unnatural/not believable/forced? Your vote stayed on Creature for the second half of D1.
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #181) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:15 am

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In post 1158, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: volxen
Didn’t expect this. What changed? Creature’s flip?
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #182) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:17 am

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Fuck , ignore me
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #183) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:22 am

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In post 647, Irrelephant11 wrote: {me}
{tw, volxen, DrJ}
{labrat}
{Carmen, lefty} - null
{keyser}
{creature}
Where are Eragon and Ausuka in your reads right now?
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Post Post #1167 (isolation #184) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:32 am

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In post 1155, Keyser Söze wrote:Btw Volxen, it’s hard to get a solid/genuine read on you if you’re poppping in and out every 5 pages.

NGL, right now I’m relying on Irrelephant’s meta defence on you to put you above null into green.

Need to see some natural conversation/interactions. I can see you’re thinking alot, but would prefer to see you think on your toes, instead of these longer posts (I’m sure you’d understand if I feared scum-you would have time to manufacture these posts).
Moreover, for those interested in WIFOM-inspired reads: been re-thinking my theory about Irrellephant and Volxen.


Don’t think scum-Irrelephant t/reads SCUM-Volxen this hard with meta on D1, then driving Volxen’s name forward as lead candidate for heaven in D2. Scum-Irrelephant likely to t/read TOWN-Volxen just as much as town-Irrelephant, after a successful D1 misslynch/hammer of Creature.
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #185) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:38 am

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@Eragon - I didn’t stop t/reading Rat because she was s/reading me. It’s actually the intensity/authenticity of her s/read which I actually t/read. Please don’t miss-rep me.
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #186) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:41 am

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Moreover, yes, there’s nothing wrong with changing reads (I do it constantly), but you were holding both options open, to misslynch both of us (I suspect tactical opportunism)

Can’t get the bitter taste out my mouth after reading those 3 posts.
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #187) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:44 am

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In post 1165, the worst wrote:
In post 1147, Keyser Söze wrote:This legit feels sounds like a townie who doesn't want to be connected with scummy slime (me), or seen to be doing a suspicious U-TURN. LabRat jumped in to answering Eragon's question to TW and put the record straight: 'I HAVE NEVER HAD TOWN RELATIONS WITH THAT MAN!'
I think LabRat may be back in my good books.

Am I miss-reading this?
I agree, her tunnel is pretty towny and hard scumread on you feels pure
Do you have any doubts with Dr J?

I really wanted to sort Dr J and LabRat today.
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #188) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:46 am

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Yep, Keyser-Eragon-LabRat is an imposssible scum team
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #189) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:50 am

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In post 1171, Eragon wrote:
In post 1169, Keyser Söze wrote:@Eragon - I didn’t stop t/reading Rat because she was s/reading me. It’s actually the intensity/authenticity of her s/read which I actually t/read. Please don’t miss-rep me.

then what is this?

```Then LabRat said he was going to do a re-read...

*MAYBE HERE*

Then LabRat started her surprising late assault on me:```
I don’t think you understand progression or final read on LabRat.


Do me a favour though: share me thoughts on Dr J and LabRat.
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #190) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:50 am

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Understand my*
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #191) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:51 am

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In post 1179, Eragon wrote:
In post 1050, Keyser Söze wrote:I was VT
can you explain what the fuck this was about though?
I never lie about a role claim.
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Post Post #1183 (isolation #192) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:53 am

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In post 1176, Eragon wrote:
In post 1172, Keyser Söze wrote:Moreover, yes, there’s nothing wrong with changing reads (I do it constantly), but you were holding both options open, to misslynch both of us (I suspect tactical opportunism)

Can’t get the bitter taste out my mouth after reading those 3 posts.
thing is, i was clear with my thoughts.

"i think hes probably town, but due to some of my doubts,i won't complain with a lynch"


and instead of focusing on the ones where i explained, you snipped the ones that were specifically

"im good with hammering either"
"voting keyser/creature 20 min"
instead of looking at the posts with explanation.

so i think its YOU who is mis-repping me here
All words no actions though.

Who were you voting for?


I don’t believe your town reads, neither your scum reads. You should have killed me yesterday.
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #193) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:06 pm

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In post 1016, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm fine lynching creature/eragon
No comments on Eragon so far today...? :shifty:
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Post Post #1190 (isolation #194) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:11 pm

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Still not sure with Ausuka, but been enjoying her defending me since D1 EoD :giggle:
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #195) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:20 pm

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Does anyone have any of these players in their PoE/bottom 3 reads:

Dr J
Irrellphant
LabRat
Volxen
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Post Post #1194 (isolation #196) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:21 pm

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In post 1192, the worst wrote:Relly I'm having a moment of mania

how about we send Keyser to heaven
Naughty naughty
Remember that pact we made.. need to see LabRat flip first. If green then I’ll go, if scum I’m never allowed up to heaven :cop:
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #197) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:49 pm

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In post 1097, the worst wrote:
In post 1073, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:{DrJ}
{Volxen,
Eragon
}
{Irrel,
Ausuka
,
TW
}
{} - Null
{
Lab
(?), Soze(?)}
{Creature}
{}
These
This read list feels... Outdated somehow?
Actually, gonna bump this readslist from D1 .

...does look (strange?)

Thinking Eragon's placement and Ausuka's.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #198) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:02 pm

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From D1/D2:

Not S-S:
TW-Dr J
Dr J-LabRat
Irrelephant-Volxen


[See if these are true post game]
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #199) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:30 pm

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In post 1197, the worst wrote:
In post 1193, Keyser Söze wrote:Does anyone have any of these players in their PoE/bottom 3 reads:

Dr J
Irrellphant
LabRat
Volxen
:3 ~~
Is that none?
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