Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)
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In post 3702, RightKnight wrote:/confirm
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Nancy caught me up some but would love your guys’s opinions.
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In post 3705, Reasonably Rational wrote:
I'll just leave this here.In post 3454, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Thor is scum here. This is a huge misrepresentation of what we’re saying. There are several pieces of weak evidence. Since Chickadee claimed flavor cop, then it cannot be as simple as what he’s suggesting, and town!Thor would totally not make that mistake. It’s just a regular cop in that case. Bad logic, low (but opportunistic) level of posting and outrageous misrepresentation. This is Thor as scum.In post 3443, Thor665 wrote:Yeah, except mine is far more likely.
Scum images = scum
Town images = town.
Yours is less likely
Scum images = scum
Town images = scum
You see those as identically likely?
Consider the implications and just how much opposition there was to lynching the only slot with a case against it.
S/he who has eyes to see...
~D
Thor being Reaver confirms some of the setup speculation we had and confirmation that he's scum like I thought means we have some checking on other things to do.
I think there's sufficient reasons to believe Chickadee is town and honest here, so good job whomever presumably saved her life. Given Thor's insistence on pushing the idea above, I feel even more confident that the clues she gets will be at right angles to what the person is.
@Chick - Obviously check whomever you want, but we could probably benefit from a check if you don't have a better idea.
~D
Oooh hi.
Wanna be Reasonably Knight and show me some of that prior spec?
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In post 3707, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Thor was obviously scum to anyone who has played with him in even a couple games. I mean ... I called it with certainty and my standard for certainty is really high.In post 3703, Flicker wrote:First off, high fives to Ari on that vengekill - great choice.
Next, Thor's role PM means he was an SK, right? Anybody want to claim his kill?
Finally, are we doing a mass claim today?
I'm not 100% convinced there would be only one reaver, but it definitely is an SK win con. At first it appeared unfair but I think the warning is meant to get him to realize that if all of us who are aligned with Serenity are killed, then he would lose because of the other scum and thus he should be motivated to try and find and kill them first.
I'm not sure a mass claim is a great idea with 3 flipped scum and only 1 flipped town. I mean ... I suppose it should be considered given how many people have vomited claims already but ...
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Mass claim should only be used if a majority of people forgot their pants or if we are in dire straights.
Based on flips no way in hell the last is true. And I am hoping people liked pants?
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Yep so see you in 72 years (sarcastic)In post 3708, Reasonably Rational wrote:
I'm on the way out and will be phone bound for like 10 hours. If nobody else has gone back and quoted out the spec that's in game, I'll try and do it within 24 hours. We have some more in our hydra conversations that we haven't brought into the game yet. You know how Cerb and I are with that though.In post 3706, RightKnight wrote:In post 3705, Reasonably Rational wrote:
I'll just leave this here.In post 3454, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Thor is scum here. This is a huge misrepresentation of what we’re saying. There are several pieces of weak evidence. Since Chickadee claimed flavor cop, then it cannot be as simple as what he’s suggesting, and town!Thor would totally not make that mistake. It’s just a regular cop in that case. Bad logic, low (but opportunistic) level of posting and outrageous misrepresentation. This is Thor as scum.In post 3443, Thor665 wrote:Yeah, except mine is far more likely.
Scum images = scum
Town images = town.
Yours is less likely
Scum images = scum
Town images = scum
You see those as identically likely?
Consider the implications and just how much opposition there was to lynching the only slot with a case against it.
S/he who has eyes to see...
~D
Thor being Reaver confirms some of the setup speculation we had and confirmation that he's scum like I thought means we have some checking on other things to do.
I think there's sufficient reasons to believe Chickadee is town and honest here, so good job whomever presumably saved her life. Given Thor's insistence on pushing the idea above, I feel even more confident that the clues she gets will be at right angles to what the person is.
@Chick - Obviously check whomever you want, but we could probably benefit from a check if you don't have a better idea.
~D
Oooh hi.
Wanna be Reasonably Knight and show me some of that prior spec?
~~Castle
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Looking forward to it
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Just joined Nancy. Am hydraing with Nancy.In post 3728, Chara wrote:oh Mathblade, hi! somehow i missed you in that hydra. long time no see.
Don’t expect a lot. Working full time and car wreck stuff. Yes I am fine but don’t expect hyper me.
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At least it isn’t undertake lolzIn post 3726, Chara wrote:i'm upset that Almost made me town in a game that seems to be majority non-town.
hell, i even rolled town in a 20-some player large where i was the sole member. i suppose in comparison to that this is preferable.
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In post 3768, BuJaber wrote:No nevermind flicker/Nancy way better checks.
Why would you want me checked in particular? You were hardtown reading us until very recently? What changed?In post 3742, BuJaber wrote:For the record I only thought this after LE's flip, because I admit I was townreading thor pretty hard.
But menno was scum and you guys still wanted to waste our time with nonsense.
Tails is still suspect in my book.
Also why does chick have to be town RR? She could be honest and scum.It's a good scum PR to have in multiball.
Pedit - I say check flicker or nancy.I don't think I need to be checked, but apparently I'm not as obvtown as I thought I would be to everyone by now.
I mean look at all the crumbing and talking about Mala. What kind of scum motivation am I going for to locktown someone who had barely posted at the time?
We will of course have to wait for Elsa/Tails to claim who they targeted but for you to doubtbothChick and us, is concerning - when EJ hinted that he would either protect us or Jingle/Gamma and suggested Tails protect Chick. No town was killed yesterday and based on what EJ posted EOD, your post makes no sense wrt Chick/me.
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The only thing I feel fairly confident about is that if EJ hadn’t had strongly hinted he’d protect us, I’m pretty sure we’d be dead now. My guess? Scum expected EJ to likely save one of either Chick or me and he saved the right one. That’s the only thing I think that explains why there was no townkill last night.
As for Thor, my first reaction was that Cheeky was right about a vig being in this game but then I realized that Mafia could also account for it. Skygazer also likely spewed Chick town with his scumslip. If Ari/Tails weren’t the lead wagons, I would have switched my vote back to LE. I was also really out of it on D2. Thankfully, I am seeing things a lot more clearly now.
I was saying to Math, that you seemed almost a bit upset? Which is kind of pinging me for some reason.Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.~ Alan Watts- RightKnight
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Cheeky I think?In post 3773, Chara wrote:it matters. i think it was right to not lynch Mala earlier even though i wanted to. if we can eliminate Elsa without using up a mislynch that's one more town-controlled kill for us.
i want town Elsa to know that removing himself from the game is better than being lynched, for town.
i'm not looking forward to rereading this game to see who defended/soft-defended Ethos slot besides me and Rational, but it's a good idea.Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.~ Alan Watts- RightKnight
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In post 3746, Elsa Jay wrote:
Honestly I might as well say fuck it and claim my full role finally. The real Simon hasnt come out yet and they healed Toog N1. I'm saying this since 3 scum are dead.In post 3741, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh.
Elsa Jay, target last night?
Tails, target last night?
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My real (and final claim) role is Ascetic 1-BP hider. I hid on Thor last night and lost my BP.
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D’awwe. Same. <3
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In post 3499, CheekyTeeky wrote:I thought McMenno claimed Mal.
@CharaIn post 3510, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Could be reading to much into this but I thought it was a really weird statement unless he was trolling. Thought it might point to some kind of "captain" role idk.In post 2985, McMenno wrote:the wagon on me is obviously a scum fabrication toslander my name and take the head of a virtuous town player.Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.~ Alan Watts- RightKnight
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What did you expect?In post 3779, Jingle wrote:No massclaim yet. Didn't expect a double scumflip with none of our 'conf'town dying yesterday.
We near 100% want to hit the last HOB today, because we have the most information there.
I'd like to have us targeted to hopefully shed light on the method A50 is using to convey info to Chick.
Flicker is an objectively bad lynch and an only slightly better check, imo. Lemme grab the playerlist. I have some thinking to do.
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I never bought into your reasons for townreading us btw. I always tend to be very skeptical of one of X is scum theories. RC and Tora intensely dislike each other. I always thought that reading anything more into that was silly.In post 3780, BuJaber wrote:What changed is Elsa no longer claims 3p and chara has been sounding townier with time.
My townread on you was closely related to those 2 players.
Anyway, Elsa not being doc, doesn’t change the fact that no town was killed last night. So, if you don’t think it was Chick/me/Jingle/Gamma who were protected than who? RR maybe? Because there is definitely a town doc in this setup or Toog would have likely been killed N1, like he thought, so I was 100% right about that.
Why? Because 0 kills N1 backed up Toog’s LR claim and Toog not dying makes 0 sense, without town doc. Not bg or jailkeep but straight up doc.Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.~ Alan Watts- RightKnight
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Sky blatantly scumslipped.In post 10, Chickadee wrote:idk who I amThings are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.~ Alan Watts- RightKnight
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I agree.In post 3786, Jingle wrote:
Not necessarily. The fact that Thor's NK target was stopped is more powerful evidence of a town protective since the Ethos flip.In post 3784, RightKnight wrote:Why? Because 0 kills N1 backed up Toog’s LR claim and Toog not dying makes 0 sense, without town doc. Not bg or jailkeep but straight up doc.
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In post 2198, McMenno wrote:and I would request cheekyteeky to stop spreading fake news about meor have their team shoot me tonight
McMeno and Cheeky unaligned or possible distancing?In post 2985, McMenno wrote:hey, I'm also technically retired.
the wagon on me is obviously a scum fabrication to slander my name and take the head of a virtuous town player.In post 2969, Aristophanes wrote:Wait when TF was McMenno a Wagon and why? XD
It seems I missed that!
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Don’t weak roles automatically die when they visit scum?In post 3789, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Depends on which variant Elsa isIn post 3750, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Let's never lynch Elsa? Hider's do *nothing* to help flip scum. All she does is keep from getting shot herself. I don't understand your reasoning here, help me.In post 3749, Chara wrote:also in light of this let's never lynch Elsa. like Ari, Elsa can make the brave, noble sacrifice of suiciding to flip a scum. potentially.
pedit: ok, excellent.
Almost: so far, disappointed with the Overkill title. this game is severely lacking in blood. i'm going to assume this our fault and not yours.
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Interesting bait and switch to Chara.In post 3258, Light Ethos wrote:
Can you expand on Chara here?In post 3237, Reasonably Rational wrote:Their reticence and lack of the (as we view it) possibly clearing awareness displayed by cheeky, jingles, andcharamakes them more likely to be scum than town.
Chara likely spewed town by this, I think?Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.~ Alan Watts- RightKnight
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EJ was trying to draw the NK, perhaps? Elsa, who did you hide behind N1?In post 3807, CheekyTeeky wrote:Still find it weird that Jingle/Gamma were on separate wagons. Also don't know what to make of Elsa changing the story on his claim quite a bit, but if they are a hider it will resolve itself like Chara said.
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In post 3821, Gamma Emerald wrote:So I just looked it up for kicks and Netflix has the Serenity movie
Would I be fine watching it without seeing the show first?
Youtube has several episodes for free.In post 3823, Jingle wrote:Hulu has Firefly, btw, iirc.
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I can’t help thinking this is a message signalling to the traitor.
Also, from the extremely limited knowledge I have of the characters, I really don’t see River as bg.
Tails, who did you bg last night?
I don’t know whether he’s HoB or not but I’m extremely skeptical of the bg claim.Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.~ Alan Watts- RightKnight
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I can understand Tails but not me or Chara. My role doesn’t even make any sense with that. I’m assuming it’s connected to some character with a supportive helper role of some kind? Any ideas who we might be?In post 3836, Jingle wrote:Gamma Emerald - Mason w/Jingle - Confirmed PT, cannot be HoB.
Jingle - Mason w/Gamma
Flicker - priest - Confirmed role D1
Chickadee - Thief
Malakittens - Lyncher
Toogeloo - Lightning Rod
Elsa Jay - Ascetic 1X Bulletproof Hider
BuJaber - softed town ability that fucks with Lyncher, possible Mal result from Chick
CheekyTeeky - softed town something via role PM convo (Probably not HoB because Menno Tunnel)
Reasonably Rational - softed town something via role PM convo (Maybe conftown from PM interactions, needs consideration, corroborating evidence. Probs not HoB.)
Chara - softed town something via role PM convo?
RightKnight - Town Enabler
Tails - Bodyguard
TPFKAP - flipped HoB traitor
Aristophanes - flipped Jayne/vengeful town
Light Ethos - Flipped HoB #1
Thor665 - flipped SK
So, reasonably I can only see Tails,ThePerpetualHydra, or maaaaaybe Chara as HoB. I don't particularly want to dig up associations to check to see if ToraNancyDrewBlade makes any sense as a partner. Blade's 'townspewing Chara' argument is good enough for me for now.
VOTE: Tails
Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one.
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Do you still think this Chick?In post 2897, Chickadee wrote:I will admit it might not be river, butthe tone of the videos I got was very focused on river, and very focused on saving. Not hunting. Could be Simon. Still town.
Andthere's a line in my role pm that says the hints are things that I am involved in somehow definitely make me think a crew of the Serenity.
But I think bg claim is bogus.
If Tails, were to hardclaim Doc, then Jingle’s candidates for HoB need to be revamped.
I tried to google HoB but I couldn’t find very much.
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No, my question is why the pool isn’t larger. I think the only claim that has been verified at all, is Chick. As we found out with Elsa, his doc claim was bs, so I’m not automatically accepting any of them, without some evidence. And if Bujaber is Mal, then who the hell is Mala in the story?In post 3844, Jingle wrote:You're in the pool because we can't confirm enabler without your flip. FWIW, I don't think you should finish claiming yet, because the WIFOM of whether you are or aren't a good kill/enabler/town is great for town regardless of whether you're town if there are multiple killing roles still in the game.
Any rate, I think RR is obvtown here, Chata, I’ve already explained. Don’t see HoB claiming town hider. Toog, mechanically confirmed by LR, I think. Your predecessor TW, seemed town and Sky at one point called him “obvscum”.
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I think you got 2 videos for a reason and both are significant.In post 3139, Chickadee wrote:Alright so we're all on the same page here, this is what I got when I copped Nico/Tails. My focus went to the second video more than the first because it seems more significant.
Nico/Tails could be Simon/River or HoB, from this.
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In post 2236, McMenno wrote:sorry I'm not really "in" to well like, life, right now
my reads are about as solid as a jelly pudding
I don't have any hard townreads
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Objection!In post 3042, Tails wrote:I want BJ to explain this odds thing to me. I understand Chicky and me going back down to similar odds as McMenno. What I don't understand is how that makes me a stronger scum read than the guy he's been sitting on all day. Either his McMenno case is just as flimsy, or he has a BS in math.
No one has a bullshit on me! XD
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Huh? What? Are you saying lynch yourself and you’re 3P?In post 3854, Malakittens wrote:
I do want to lynch Mal, but i dont know if town would be willing to lynch Bu to let me out of the game. I'm one against the remaining playersIn post 3851, CheekyTeeky wrote:Toog and Mala have both claimed in a way that makes it unlikely they're HoB but until we get more info (why is Mala not trying to lynch Mal (Bu softed this) and feel like apart from the LR claim there's nothing particularly towny about Toog).
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Almost nothing is confirmable. This statement pings me hard but Nancy assured me you’re masons with Gamma and not scummates with him. But this pings me something fierce. Jingle’s better than this and last time he tried to pitch optimal strategy he pitched a bad one and was scum and still insisted it was better post game.In post 3844, Jingle wrote:You're in the pool because we can't confirm enabler without your flip. FWIW, I don't think you should finish claiming yet, because the WIFOM of whether you are or aren't a good kill/enabler/town is great for town regardless of whether you're town if there are multiple killing roles still in the game.
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A mason claim wants to be investigated? Isn’t that really antitown?In post 3830, Jingle wrote:I don't know.
That's why I wanted to be investigated. Because we don't have a frame of reference for what a town result looks like. We have a scum result and two question marks.
**confused**
I am gonna talk with Nancy stuff doesn’t add up.
Maybe it’s the pain relievers
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Anyone, ISOing McMenno could clearly see that he was pushing us, so the only way we could possibly be the remaining HoB, is if you think McMenno was bussing us.In post 3886, Jingle wrote:
I don't think Chick's result is a clear or a guilty. S'why I wanted to be investigated.In post 3881, Tails wrote:So are you doubting Chickadee's results or are you just trying to get rid of some town to make things more interesting for yourself?
More to the point, I have narrowed down the last HoB to a pool of 5 players (at least in my humble opinion). I was townreading two of them. One of the others told me the last was not a Menno partner and I have no reason to disbelieve the argument because it's either true or the person asserting it has no reason to lie.
Now, I should go through and reread you. I should go through and reread Menno, NDS and company, Chara, CT, and RR as well. But all of the little evidence points to you, I know you're capable of pulling my heartstrings to not want to lynch you, and the people I trust most say it's probably you. So I'm being lazy.
If I thought there wasn't a large chance of you flipping scum here, I wouldn't vote you.
You do get points for going after RR instead of RK, though.
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In post 2197, McMenno wrote:
I don't believe you're just playing dumb... I've only seen one player be this tonedeaf about rolesIn post 2118, Nancy Drew Shogunate wrote:
She’s a Martyr. Isn’t that the definition of a martyr? They know who their teammates are but not the other way around? I know that was the case for scum!Wisdom in Labrynth.In post 2113, Thor665 wrote:
Like, just look at this, let's even accept that Nancy honestly thought TPFKAP knew exactly who their teammates were.In post 2106, Nancy Drew Shogunate wrote:Interesting. Was TPFKAP possibly distancing here?
Is she *agreeing* that this is distancing?
Is she *disagreeing*?
Is she discussing her personal thoughts on anything?
Or is she making noise and hoping someone else will attack a slot for something?
Pedit: I am fine with you not wanting to mine. But at that stage YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN THE DEBATE AS FAR AS IT CAN GO BECAUSE BUJABER ISN'T GOING TO CLAIM SCUM IF HE'S FAKING HIS THEORY.
I agree you can decided this for yourself and get back to us - I fail to see the point of the debate in helping you, he stated his theory, you noted your hole - thus endeth the excitement.
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my reads are about as solid as a jelly pudding
I don't have any hard townreads
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What about it doesn’t make sense to you? We enable an important town utility. It would obviously make perfect sense to you and everyone else in the game, if we fullclaimed but I’m trying not to increase our odds of being NK’d.In post 3889, Tails wrote:
RK's claim doesn't really make sense to me, but I don't think they're Menno's partner. So not really interested in there right now.In post 3886, Jingle wrote: You do get points for going after RR instead of RK, though.
I don’t know much about the story, so I have no idea, which character makes sense with my role. Maybe Chick checking us, would help clarify that?
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Yes, this is why I’m having trouble with the bg claim, because if Tails bg’d Chick, then who did scum!Thor target last night then? Because we know whomever he targeted didn’t die, so maybe whomever Simon is, must have protected me then?In post 3895, Jingle wrote:Gamma- Zoe
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If Elsa's town Inara would make the most sense. If you're town you'd pretty much have to be Simon, which would mean that there's no additional protective for town and last night was wonky. Enabler could be Kaylee, I suppose, but I can't think of what she'd enable unless you're fakeclaiming.
So, if Tails is telling the truth about being both bg and protecting Chick, then we must have been the target.
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Okay, I checked both of them. Maybe Inara makes a bit more sense? It says Kaylee is a mechanic or something? The thing is, we weren’t given any specific information onIn post 3896, Jingle wrote:Enabler for Mal's role could be Inara, I suppose.howour role enables, so not knowing the story makes it hard to figure that out. I’m not sure if either of these really fit though.
Or maybe, we weren’t the target because it makes more sense for HoB to want to kill us but I suppose I could also see why a Reaver might also want us dead too. \_0_/
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Scum!Thor knew we were an enabler, so I’m probably wrong about this, since it actually does make perfect sense for him to have targetted me then, so Simon must have saved me last night, unless he saved Tails? But there 100% has to be a full doc in the setup, because Thor obviously couldn’t have targeted Chick or Tails would be dead. Unless Tails’ claim is bogus but would there really be both a full doc and a bg on the setup?In post 3919, RightKnight wrote:
Okay, I checked both of them. Maybe Inara makes a bit more sense? It says Kaylee is a mechanic or something? The thing is, we weren’t given any specific information onIn post 3896, Jingle wrote:Enabler for Mal's role could be Inara, I suppose.howour role enables, so not knowing the story makes it hard to figure that out. I’m not sure if either of these really fit though.
Or maybe, we weren’t the target because it makes more sense for HoB to want to kill us but I suppose I could also see why a Reaver might also want us dead too. \_0_/
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But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.In post 3920, Elsa Jay wrote:They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.
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Couldn’t there possibly be a townvig who is lying low, to prevent being NK’d?In post 3918, Chickadee wrote:
Why does it have to be Tails? Why couldn't someone else be fake claiming? Why couldn't it be in some of the softs/unclaimed? If it was a scum cross kill, it doesn't surprise me that no one has come forward.In post 3912, Reasonably Rational wrote:Nice scum claim. Someone killed Thor. Thor's kill is missing. Where did it go? The obvious place is where you claim to have been a BG, so why are you alive?
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Yeah, actually that would make a lot of sense, if you were Thor’s target. So probably Simon must have protected you then not us?In post 3912, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Nice scum claim. Someone killed Thor. Thor's kill is missing. Where did it go? The obvious place is where you claim to have been a BG, so why are you alive?In post 3863, Tails wrote:I protected Chickadee last night.
Also looked at VCs. Pretty sure RR is last HoB, but I think you guys need the visual evidence to understand why. One sec.
Read our ISO and stop bullshitting. I'm going to seriously just remove filters and start talking to you like you deserve if you keep making shit up. I literally dived into the thread near the end of day 1 in order to drop the info that I was convinced that NicoRobin (your predecessor on the slot) was scum. You can whinge all you want about votes but this entire game knows us and trying to push the idea that we weren't scum reading your slot prior to your entry because a vote wasn't there is horse shit and scummy as fuck.In post 3865, Tails wrote:Spoiler: Some D2 VCs
Those are all the D2 VCs up until after I replaced in, so halfway through the day. Wagons go Nancy>Mala>Toog>McMenno. I entered in around the time things were shifting off of Toog, stating an intention to sheep. It's only after I entered and caused a ruckus that RR places their first vote and starts hard pushing my wagon. This was also when McMenno became the dominant wagon. And I looked back into D1 VCs, and they weren't hard pushing the slot like they said they were. Instead, they were on Flicker.
ESPECIALLYbecause we already had this conversation yesterday.
Know whoelseI dove into the thread to post they were scum in case we got killed off? Thor. Know who else you can read in our hydra PT after the game I was on to from the moment they replaced in? LE.
You're more scummy from your entrance into today than all the small bits of evidence yesterday. Reading through all that bullshit made me slightly nauseated. That wasn't even close to good or plausible thought processes. Literally the only good play you made in all of that was to come after us instead of an easier target, and even that's a shit play because it's just OMGUS.
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But no way was Elsa directly targeted because he would be dead then, with being a 1-shot bp hider behind Thor. So, I think in any case, we can 100% lock down that Simon healed whomever scum!Thor targeted last night. All the evidence backs that up.Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.~ Alan Watts- RightKnight
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Oh right, yes that could explain it but we both agree that there has to be a doc in the game, or why isn’t Toog dead? Nico was MIA, so who healed on N1?In post 3924, Elsa Jay wrote:
I claimed Hider now. I lost the BP going onto Thor. If they attacked my slot they wouldn't have hit anything.In post 3922, RightKnight wrote:
But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.In post 3920, Elsa Jay wrote:They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.
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N1 No Kill, points to 99.9999% being doc, because even if you believe Tails’ claim, I think all available evidence points to Nico not having healed jack on N1, so a full doc isn’t a 100% confirmed but close enough I think.In post 3926, RightKnight wrote:
Oh right, yes that could explain it but we both agree that there has to be a doc in the game, or why isn’t Toog dead? Nico was MIA, so who healed on N1?In post 3924, Elsa Jay wrote:
I claimed Hider now. I lost the BP going onto Thor. If they attacked my slot they wouldn't have hit anything.In post 3922, RightKnight wrote:
But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.In post 3920, Elsa Jay wrote:They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.
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So, who’s been pushing Chick? If everyone has figured out that she’s River, then that’s the most likely place to find the remaining HoB.In post 3901, Jingle wrote:
I thought everyone had. It seemed pretty obvious that that's why she's getting visions instead of hard facts.In post 3898, Tails wrote:Oh, btw. Figured out Chickadee=River awhile ago.
Unless of course she's scum, in which case she's got me fooled.
On both LE/TPFKAP’s roleflips, they mention River and Simon. Now, unlike River, scum probably thought EJ was Simon, so maybe we find scum there. Probably Chick more than Elsa but it’s too bad we don’t have a vote history button to check all of the votes on either.
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That was my first thought actually, that there was a vig but I could see the kill also making sense from HoB as well, I suppose.In post 3928, Chickadee wrote:
I mean that's my whole point. There are lots of reasons we don't know how Thor died. Any one of those reasons could be valid.In post 3923, RightKnight wrote:
Couldn’t there possibly be a townvig who is lying low, to prevent being NK’d?In post 3918, Chickadee wrote:
Why does it have to be Tails? Why couldn't someone else be fake claiming? Why couldn't it be in some of the softs/unclaimed? If it was a scum cross kill, it doesn't surprise me that no one has come forward.In post 3912, Reasonably Rational wrote:Nice scum claim. Someone killed Thor. Thor's kill is missing. Where did it go? The obvious place is where you claim to have been a BG, so why are you alive?
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If Toog is fakeclaiming, then how do you account for no kills on N1? The only way that would make sense is if all possible KP roles had some kind of restriction or if there are multiple protectives from either alignment. I always lean to Occams Razor in these cases.In post 3902, Jingle wrote:Enabler then rest of town, or rest of town then enabler? Hmmm.
Probably rest of town then enabler. The enabler claim itself should limit the fakeclaim potential immensely.
Buj would go last.
So presumptive order would be Chara, CT, RR, RK, Buj based on my reads.
LR could be a fakeclaim, but that's a ballsy ass fakeclaim. Maybe Mr. Universe if we have 10 town? Does that actually mesh? Clearly I was wrong about the it has to be 3's spec given Thor's flip, so I suppose a 10v3v1v1v2 isn't out of the question. Nor is 10v3v1v1v1v1, I suppose. So probably lynch Toog last out of the claims that don't fit, just in case he's town.
Buj is pretty assuredly not group scum. Buj death probably solves Mala, but won't come until we're sure we can still win at that point.
Mala, would appreciate your weigh in on all of this. Actually, same to everyone. Do we want to try for the flavor solve via 1v1s at this point?
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I initially signed up to play with Tora and he quit right very close to EOD 2 but I find a lot of stuff in the game very confusing still and I was hoping Math could help me with that. However, I don’t think he’s anywhere near caught up yet. I like to play in a in more than one game at once but rn, I have some more time, which is why I’m suddenly posting a lot more. Like I alreay stated, once I do a full claim, it will all make perfect sense.In post 3908, Tails wrote:I've played with Math before. They will oppose mass claim regardless of alignment. I'm just wondering how confident Nancy feels playing by herself as different alignments. How she claimed yesterday felt off, and then there was the immediate return to being a hydra after she started that dumpster fire. I'm just wondering if that might be indicative of alignment or null.Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.~ Alan Watts- RightKnight
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I think the vig claiming now would be a bad idea because then the doc/Simon would have to protect us and the vig - if there is one.In post 3932, Reasonably Rational wrote:
*raises hand*In post 3929, RightKnight wrote:In post 3901, Jingle wrote:
I thought everyone had. It seemed pretty obvious that that's why she's getting visions instead of hard facts.In post 3898, Tails wrote:Oh, btw. Figured out Chickadee=River awhile ago.
Unless of course she's scum, in which case she's got me fooled.So, who’s been pushing Chick? If everyone has figured out that she’s River, then that’s the most likely place to find the remaining HoB.
On both LE/TPFKAP’s roleflips, they mention River and Simon. Now, unlike River, scum probably thought EJ was Simon, so maybe we find scum there. Probably Chick more than Elsa but it’s too bad we don’t have a vote history button to check all of the votes on either.
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Flavor cop made sense for HoB with a traitor, but obviously with Ethos' flip we know that's (PROBABLY, based on the language used it's highly unlikely either has any additional powers, but is possible) not possible.
Yes, Elsa, if telling the truth, could have been shot at, while hiding, and thus wasted other shots(speaking of which, if we do have town vigs(as I expect we do) and any of them are compulsive, and don't know where to shoot...shooting at elsa is probably a good call since the shots will whiff(and you'll catch them if they're lying scum!) <3(Yes, this is 1% tongue in cheek, to keep up my habit of telling people why they should shoot at Elsa)
Yes, there is definitely a full doctor(who can *probably* prevent more than one kill with their protection, given that we know at least two kills were potentially in play N1, and Toog did not die).
Yes, Tails claim has not resolved itself, like I told you it wouldn't; we have no way of verifying where they targeted, and bg aren't exactly a priority kill since you still get a kill off if they protected your target, and they can save your life as scum.
I actually think if a town slot shot Thor, that they should probably claim it, to clear up this speculation at the very least; however I also feel if a town slot shot thor and claims it, mass claim is probably in order at that point, and mass claim isn't a great idea with the current advantage town holds.
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P.edit and Chick obviously.
This is why I don’t think we should rush this lynch, in case there could conceivably be both a doc and bg in this setup.
I’m torn between Chick’s inistence that Tails/Nico is either Simon/River and Nico’s weird possibly traitor-signaling type post.
However, Nico was MIA prior to Tails subbing in and therefore seems unlikely to be Simon, unless there’s another proective in the story that could explain a 2nd doc. Is there?
If Chick is River, then how does bg Tails explain Simon, because obviously a full doc had to have protected Toog on N1. So if Nico/Tails is Simon, then which character would be the doc?Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.~ Alan Watts- RightKnight
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I agree with this.In post 3933, RightKnight wrote:
I initially signed up to play with Tora and he quit right very close to EOD 2 but I find a lot of stuff in the game very confusing still and I was hoping Math could help me with that. However, I don’t think he’s anywhere near caught up yet. I like to play in a in more than one game at once but rn, I have some more time, which is why I’m suddenly posting a lot more. Like I alreay stated, once I do a full claim, it will all make perfect sense.In post 3908, Tails wrote:I've played with Math before. They will oppose mass claim regardless of alignment. I'm just wondering how confident Nancy feels playing by herself as different alignments. How she claimed yesterday felt off, and then there was the immediate return to being a hydra after she started that dumpster fire. I'm just wondering if that might be indicative of alignment or null.
I have not caught up and am taking the claims list as pretty much “the truth” and seeing who is actively not playing like it for terms of claims. I do not have the energy nor desire to read that many pages atm.
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In post 3920, Elsa Jay wrote:They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.
Bear with me here.In post 3924, Elsa Jay wrote:
I claimed Hider now. I lost the BP going onto Thor. If they attacked my slot they wouldn't have hit anything.In post 3922, RightKnight wrote:
But since you are an ascetic, then wouldn’t you be dead then? Because you lost your 1-shot bp, hiding behind scum!Thor.In post 3920, Elsa Jay wrote:They could have attacked my slot for claiming ascetic doctor. Seems reasonable. Or the real Simon healed someone.
No, I think Simon 100% had to have healed Thor’s target, otherwise we would have had a town death last night.
I know you probably explained this earlier and I am at work.
Why exactly the fake claim?
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What makes you say we have almost all town PRs out?In post 3941, Chara wrote:also. i haven't decided yet, but nearly all of town PRs are out and we could potentially flavour solve this. my worry is putting us in an unwinnable situation, and Jingle's attempts to gain trust are only making me mistrust, though i acknowledge he's probably just a mason. gut is broken.
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There are a lot of claims but something doesn’t add up here.
There was a serial killer and mafia.
There were a lot of nights with less than two deaths if memory serves.
The claim list doesn’t support that theory.
For fucks sake don’t claim if you are a protective PR I am trying to dig into Chara’s brain here.
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I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{In post 3982, CheekyTeeky wrote:Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.A50 a vote count please?}}
Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?
The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.
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Anything unsigned is probably Nancy btw
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Because hiders usually die if they hide behind someone who dies.In post 3985, Toogeloo wrote:If Elsa isn't weak, why would she lose her BP hiding behind Thor?
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I'd like to think that I should be lumped in here as well since my claim doesn't really make sense if I were actually a Jailkeeper, unless you believe that I stopped a kill and then opted to claim Lightning Rod when I saw no other kills happened and figured that maybe any other tracks/watches/cops/other wouldn't incriminate me down the line.In post 3877, Jingle wrote:By this, it becomes confirmable that none of Gamma, Flicker, or I can be HoB2.
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Why can't Chickadee be Role Cop? I still stand by my assertion that River makes a better Lightning Rod than any other role.In post 3902, Jingle wrote:Maybe Mr. Universe if we have 10 town?
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I pushed Chick, and still continue to have some issue with the slot. For one, a lot of the convenient portions of the claim, for another the fact that it seems really mean that the mod would put a role in the game that requires actual flavor knowledge to possibly interpret results. On top of that, I'm not entirely sure why the mod would allow video results be shared and not breach any rules about sharing moderator PMs.In post 3929, RightKnight wrote:So, who’s been pushing Chick?
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Personally, I don't think we have a vig. I think Ari was our "vig."In post 3934, RightKnight wrote:I think the vig claiming now would be a bad idea because then the doc/Simon would have to protect us and the vig - if there is one.
Without the BP assuming she is telling the truth, she would be dead.
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I am also down for Elsa lynch today as well.In post 3986, Toogeloo wrote:Actually...
Why in the hell would there even be a non-weak Hider with a BP vest in the first place. That whole thing just seems ludicrous.
Hence my question to him(?)
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