Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #4203 (isolation #400) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:43 pm

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In post 4194, CheekyTeeky wrote:Because the non claimers are the towniest people so if we counterclaim we have caught scums. I'm pretty sure someone will claim my role if given an out.
Okay.

The premise that the non claimers are the towniest people is acceptable. Subjective, but acceptable. As for the rest are you specifically worried that RK is going to claim enabler of your role or that Buj is going to counterclaim you?

Or alternatively, that someone who is already claimed (Flicker, Chick, etc) is going to add to their role based on yours?
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Post Post #4247 (isolation #401) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:49 pm

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I would've commuted N1 if I were Thor, FWIW. But yeah, LR probably lived because of the Jailkeep, regardless of how many people tried to kill them.
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Post Post #4251 (isolation #402) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:03 pm

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Mal {}
Kaylee {RK, Chara}
Wash {Jingle}
Zoe {GE}
Book {Flicker}
Simon {CT}
River {Chick, Toog}
Inara {Chara, Chick, Toog}


Buj- Buj

3rd Party-

EJ
Mala

RR is our only missing link, and is likely town on account of the doc protect with the missing kill last night.

As such, RR can claim.
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Post Post #4252 (isolation #403) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:07 pm

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@A50: Can you confirm that the town is made up of the Serenity and allies?
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Post Post #4253 (isolation #404) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:09 pm

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We might actually be down to just EJ and mala in that case. In which case I say we let them win with us.
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Post Post #4258 (isolation #405) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:33 pm

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I could see Toog as late story River (taking on a room full of reavers single handedly) or for being the focus of EVERYONE'S attention. Possibly Mal because of charisma?

More to the point, I don't see Buj's claim as anyone on the ship, but there's no way it's not a town or town sympathetic role if he's realclaiming. And if A50 confirms that it's the crew and allies, then likely we have at least 10 town, possibly 11 based on Buj not fitting anyone. If we have 11 town (Lynch Buj, no deaths, Buj doesn't flip someone surprising) we can then Mal hunt (probably RR, maybe Toog.) Lynching Mal gets rid of Mala and if EJ is survivor that should end the game. We should be safe until 5 alive either way, which gives us plenty of leeway to switch back to traditional scumhunting if you get NK'd or we have a surprising event (Mala not leaving after a Mal lynch, for example).
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Post Post #4260 (isolation #406) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:34 pm

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Enabled roles don't know they're enabled by default.
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Post Post #4262 (isolation #407) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:45 pm

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Makes sense to me. Compulsive is interesting, but not particularly threatening to a town doc as a modifier. Enabled means that we're twice as likely to lose our doc early, helping out the scumteams.

The setup looks like it's mostly balanced through negative utility roles, but there's too much that just matches flavorwise.

Assuming we get the expected confirmations from A50 and RR, I say Chick cops Toog and we lynch Buj. That should, combined with the fact that any antitown with a NK is almost forced to kill you here tell us whether we have any threats left. If there are threats left, it's pretty much just Toog at this point, and I really don't think he is.

Hm. Buj could maybe, MAYBE, be Inara.
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Post Post #4351 (isolation #408) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:09 am

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In post 4281, Chara wrote:the game would have ended already otherwise
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Post Post #4361 (isolation #409) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:18 am

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I'm fine with confirming the loved claim, FWIW. I'm just also aware that it's a stupid fakeclaim to make, so I'm operating under the assumption it's true for the moment.

Besides, I need to spend enough time to figure out mutual confirmations based on roles and actions, so I'm in no rush to end the day period.
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Post Post #4362 (isolation #410) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:21 am

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In post 4359, Almost50 wrote:Jingle kindly
I'm not kind. Rabble rabble rabble.
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Post Post #4366 (isolation #411) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:23 am

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In post 4358, Malakittens wrote:Great so I’m losing either way because we aren’t going to lynch mal.

Yet town is so fucking ahead it’s crazy
Actually, it looks like Lyncher is incompatible with town the way I intended to have you win anyway. :( A50 confirmed this to me when I asked to double check Chara.

Sorry, Mala.
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Post Post #4369 (isolation #412) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:28 am

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In post 4364, RightKnight wrote:Is Simon the only doc in the story? Didn’t someone say there were multiple docs - not in the game but either in the series/movie?
There are no other docs who are Pro Serenity.

I said pretty early on that Almost could maybe have used an institute doc as a survivor, because they never actually oppose the Serenity (In fact, they all get murdered by the alliance) and that Niska's crew had the potential for having their own Doc role given Niska's whole slowly torture people to death gig. Neither is a good fit to flavor, and both were reaches to justify leaving EJ alone because I lowkey suspected that he was a town doc fakeclaiming to stay alive longer.
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Post Post #4371 (isolation #413) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:31 am

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In post 4368, Chara wrote:you wanted to eliminate all scum and then give Mala the win too, i assume?
Yup. I was hoping the game end mechanic of "All threats to town are dead" would let us give Mala the win too by leaving only mala as scum left alive. Didn't realize that it wouldn't work that way, and I'm sorry for the false hope. I agree with a confirmation of non Lyncher scum we can't afford to give Mala a joint win.

I feel like an ass, keeping you here for so long with no chance of payoff Mala. Sorry.
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Post Post #4372 (isolation #414) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:32 am

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VOTE: Mala

Don't really want to end the day yet, btw, but there isn't a reason to keep Mala around anymore. :(
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Post Post #4386 (isolation #415) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:53 am

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RR is probably a full tracker at this point.

EJ, don't hide. You're not going to get shot, because you're a red herring for scum to hide behind if you're telling the truth. RR, target a scumread.

CT, you should probably protect RR just in case scum tries to glory shoot the tracker.

Buj claim is still kind of the odd one out and probably needs to be dealt with sooner or later, especially because A50 refused to answer when I asked if the town was Serenity and it's allies.

Paranoia on us at this point is pretty cute, but ultimately unnecessary given our confirmation of the a member of the Serenity crew bit a full thousand posts before the Ari flip.

EJ should be lynched at 5p, imo, out of paranoia that he's actually scum. If you need to confirm the masons before then fine, but focusing on catching otherscum first is probably more important.
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Post Post #4390 (isolation #416) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:58 am

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In post 4384, Almost50 wrote:
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Attention, please!


Since it seems to be an overwhelming popular demand; all nights from now on will be 48 hrs rather than 72 hrs.

Thank you :)
As a mod, might I make the suggestion of adding to your rules set the option for all players to unanimously end the night at your earliest convenience by PM? It never actually happens, but it can theoretically save time in solved games and low player situations like the night before a 3p LYLO.

UNVOTE:

Buj has a point.
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Post Post #4394 (isolation #417) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:02 am

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Suggestion: Mala, declare V/LA for the remainder of the game. No one will blame you for not wanting to take part.

If we accidentally lynch Mal somehow, Mala wins.

If scum end up killing Mal, it takes us off of evens without a No Lynch and nets us an additional mislynch. There's a good chance RR is Mal, thus a decent choice for a scumkill. Obviously we have to lynch Mala before endgame, but there is town utility in leaving her alive for now.
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Post Post #4397 (isolation #418) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:06 am

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In post 4388, Malakittens wrote:Yes I’m okay with eating a ban for language.
Yes I’m really pissed rn.
:(

I really am sorry. I can definitely understand your frustration.

It's why I advocate flavorless or publically independently assigned flavor and role games.
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Post Post #4409 (isolation #419) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:47 am

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Either Operative or River makes the most sense. Can't see a single way that any of the rest of the crew could be linked to that pic, even tangentially, especially with the Doc Enabler claim.

If River, Chick is highly suspect, but we're definitely lynching RK before Chick in either case. Dr. Caron could be at best a benevolent 3p.

If Operative, I don't see how the Enabler claim fits, but that's not really surprising because it's probably fake.

I'm fairly certain Buj->RK->Elsa in any order solves the game fully.
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Post Post #4412 (isolation #420) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:54 am

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Yeah, she's an Alliance doc who is dead before the series even begins. The whole point is that she is the one who sent the information that made River worth hunting in the first place, because she dug it out of an Alliance leader's brain. She's definitely not even an Ally to Serenity, let alone a Doctor Enabler. She could maybe, MAYBE, have been a 3rd party doc from Elsa's original claim, but even that was grasping straws.
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Post Post #4414 (isolation #421) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:56 am

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Is it at least good Christmas music?
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Post Post #4421 (isolation #422) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:07 pm

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In post 4408, Reasonably Rational wrote:We should really be lunching EJ or RK. Mala is a distant third.

I'd also like to voice my suspicion that Jingle+Gamma are the 2 in another 2+1 scum team. Jingles' knowledge of what we were talking about with regards to flavor is worrisome, but explained by them having a role cop, and Mason claim isn't as risky for a scum team with an unknown traitor around.

Not sure I think this is likely, but it's a possibility that must be considered.

And if you're going to lynch a neutral claim, lynch the lying one.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

-Cerb
Actually this is the optimal play. But I believe in EJ's claim.

There's a reason not to lynch RK immediately. There's a reason not to lynch Buj immediately. I don't want to lynch EJ immediately. We could no lynch to take us off evens, but that removes the potential town use of Mala's role.
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Post Post #4424 (isolation #423) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:09 pm

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Could you not pick a fight with Mala, EJ? It really doesn't help anything.
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Post Post #4430 (isolation #424) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:14 pm

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In post 4426, Malakittens wrote:or do i not know how a hider role works from all my years of mafia
Actually NRG just changed the role. It was part of the initiative to remove the graylist.
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Post Post #4431 (isolation #425) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:15 pm

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In post 4429, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 4418, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4391, Malakittens wrote:
In post 4389, Elsa Jay wrote:If scum kill me to take away my victory, I'm going to be very sad.
I really hope they do and I’m surprised they haven’t already
VOTE: Mala
Now that’s uncalled for
This is l-1 on a stupid lynch, before we've even had a day to consider the mass claim.

-Cerb

Agreed.
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Post Post #4432 (isolation #426) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:15 pm

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Gamma, please unvote.
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Post Post #4439 (isolation #427) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:22 pm

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That's the only lynch in which we can possibly let Mala win, so... If we're willing to take the risk I'm down.
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Post Post #4443 (isolation #428) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:32 pm

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In post 4439, Jingle wrote:That's the only lynch in which we can possibly let Mala win, so... If we're willing to take the risk I'm down.
To explain this:

The suboptimal route:

Lynch RK. If town, CT is now VT and not the most dangerous conftown to scum, thus RR gets shot at night. If Buj is truthclaiming and RR is Mal, RR still lives another night. If RR lives another night AND gets a guilty, then we can maybe afford the mislynch to lynch confMal depending on what exactly the flips are, flavorwise.

Now, we have to be absolutely sure that the rest of our claims are town to be able to risk that strategy, but considering from my perspective RK/Buj is pretty much the solution anyway I am okay with that gamble.
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Post Post #4445 (isolation #429) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:36 pm

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Chick being shot over what amounts to a conftown tracker is hilarious, btw.
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Post Post #4447 (isolation #430) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:42 pm

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In post 4444, RightKnight wrote:I ‘m tired of trying my best and banging my head against a brick wall.
I understand your frustration, regardless of whether you're town. Being backed into a corner where you're probably going to get lynched regardless of what you say is never fun.

And yeah, before anyone comments, I realize that the chain of events to let Mala win is like perfect storm levels of coincidence.
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Post Post #4448 (isolation #431) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:43 pm

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In post 4446, RightKnight wrote:My role is doc enabler, so I enable BOTH, if both are telling the truth. So, by your logic - both Cheeky and Bujaber become VTs and we never get to hear RR’s evidence, if scum targets him tonight.
Buj claimed bg for specifically Mal, not doc.
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Post Post #4453 (isolation #432) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:57 pm

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If RR flips Mal, like I assume they will, then I'm going to turbo lynch Buj and hope that ends the game.

If RR flips not Mal, I'll have two flips to analyze to refine my flavor knowledge.

And don't be obtuse. I'm saying your lynch is part of the probable gamesolve, and has been for a long time. Which is frustrating as hell, regardless of alignment.
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Post Post #4456 (isolation #433) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:12 pm

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In post 4455, RightKnight wrote:The sad thing here is I think you’re town and you believe this is a good idea.
I am town. It's objectively not a good idea, the correct play is one I don't want to make.

I think we win even if we make this wrong play, and I want to do so because of that. I'm making absolutely no attempt to hide that.
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Post Post #4457 (isolation #434) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:13 pm

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The obtuse bit is @Math, btw.

4450, specifically.
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Post Post #4459 (isolation #435) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:34 pm

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Probably. Hedging bets against them being town is the 'correct' play, but I'm down to throw the dice if we want to go the way that gives me a chance to maybe help 3rd parties win too.
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Post Post #4461 (isolation #436) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:39 pm

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Well, daytalk. And also a special insight into A50's musical taste.
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Post Post #4462 (isolation #437) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:40 pm

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(Explicitly, yes. We are only masons. And tbh, the mason thread has mostly been used to shitpost back and forth with A50.)
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Post Post #4466 (isolation #438) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:52 pm

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And yet you still managed to keep the maturity of an 8 year old. :P
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Post Post #4467 (isolation #439) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:52 pm

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^ That's for saying I was kind earlier.
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Post Post #4480 (isolation #440) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:35 pm

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TBF, my philosophy is "Ensure that working with me IS their best interest."

And yeah, lynching willy-nilly trying to get Mala the win isn't tenable. We basically have to stumble into perfect conditions to let Mala have the win, and I acknowledge that. I will always advocate lynching scum over lynching 3p (even malevolent 3p like SK's) though. And Mala isn't the correct lynch or the lynch I prefer, so...
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Post Post #4553 (isolation #441) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:55 am

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Prodge til tonight
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Post Post #4559 (isolation #442) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:05 pm

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Mal {RR}
Kaylee {RK, Chara}
Wash {Jingle}
Zoe {GE}
Book {Flicker}
Simon {CT}
River {Chick, Toog}
Inara {Chara, Chick, Toog}


Buj- Buj

3rd Party-

EJ
Mala


The odd claims out are RK and Buj. Buj because he supposedly got confirmation from A50 that A50 wouldn't publically give that the crew was Serenity AND their allies and because the only person he could possibly be flavorwise is also the most doubled; RK because of the conflicting Chick result. Additionally, EJ is a minor suspect, due to the potential for groupscum equity in the neutral claim. Of the overlapping claims, Toog/Chick/Chara needs to be solved if RK flips town.

CT, Flicker and RR are functionally confed by claims because no one else makes sense as the character they are most likely to be. I'm open to rational arguments as to why people fit someplace other than where I've placed them.

Hence: Lynching RK->Buj->EJ almost certainly wins the game. If it doesn't, we have a flip in one of the 9 town identities that gives us a clue to go on where my spec is wrong.
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Post Post #4560 (isolation #443) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:34 pm

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I still need to get around to a balance analysis. I'm probably not doing that today.
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Post Post #4633 (isolation #444) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:18 am

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There were simply too many on the nose/unlynchable roles. We probs should have been vt as well as book not being priest. If playing with heavy flavor you need to make sure it can’t be manipulated like that. If you’d like I’d be happy to lend a hand with balance for the next setup, btw.
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Post Post #4634 (isolation #445) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:19 am

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I’d have turbo lynched a md enabler claim btw. The reason I wanted you to go last was because pretty much everything except doc enabler was a scumclaim.
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Post Post #4639 (isolation #446) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:29 am

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Tbh, I very rarely play in Larges. I find they tend to end up like this one where I just don't give a damn towards the endgame. This one had a pretty perfect storm of interesting mechanics, great flavor, and people I like to play with and I still ended up being a lump for a large portion of the endgame.
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Post Post #4640 (isolation #447) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:31 am

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In post 4638, CheekyTeeky wrote:A50 thank you so much for hosting this game it's definitely one of my favs. I really enjoyed this. :)
Oh yeah. Totes.

Also, I enjoyed playing with each and every one of you. If you guys ever need replacements for games you're in, feel free to ask.
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Post Post #4644 (isolation #448) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:46 am

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In post 4636, Toogeloo wrote:Discussion about how roles were formatted played pretty predominantly during the game, so if you wanted to nip that in the bud, you could just simply add a rule that no discussion of role pms be allowed at all, and have the sample town role pm placed at the beginning, and that be the end of it.
I disagree with this on a number of levels.

The best way to discourage flavorgaming imo is simply to give the town a reason not to want to flavor game. (Public mechanics like Scum has a role that can kill someone if they know their identity.) Failing that, good fakeclaims for every scum player. (which means you can't have all the main characters be town in most cases.) Failing that redacted flavor is an interesting idea, but you also have to take into account potential flavor clears, like Flicker, for roles that are too on the nose. Thief was like a perfect role for that style of game.


Also, I don't think this was as mechanically unbalanced as people think, considering that town did manage to functionally lynch scum every day. There just needed to be a few more myslynchable town slots.

In hindsight, Inara could probably have been a commuter or something instead of invalidating a whole night. Book could probably have been a Visitor or something to throw off the accuracy of the MD a little and prevent a "There's literally no one else that makes sense as a priest" situation. And the masonry could have been a neighborhood easily, because then we could have been literally anyone and MIGHT have trusted each other instead of being pretty much untouchable the whole game. But a large portion of town's win was that some of us (Not me) started recognizing obvtown players very early on.
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Post Post #4645 (isolation #449) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:47 am

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In post 4641, CheekyTeeky wrote:Yeah I prefer smaller games too. But I have to say the games I've found to be the most fun D1 are larges. I'll put this game up there with once upon a time and Team Mafia in terms of whiplash fun D1.
TM D1 was fun? I remember that as running around hoping the world didn't fall apart. :lol:
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Post Post #4647 (isolation #450) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:02 am

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In post 4599, Almost50 wrote:The predetermined mechanic for the kills was simple: SK1 (Operative) has a priority 1 on odd nights, and 2 on even nights. SK2 (Reaver) has a priority 1 on Even nights and 2 on odd nights. HoB kill has a priority 3 always.
Huh. I honestly thought it'd be something along the lines of a prewritten list of the characters and the order they died would be a balancing factor.

Like, Traitor>HoB1>HoB2 and Book>Wash>Simon>Mal>Chick>etc.
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Post Post #4657 (isolation #451) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:26 am

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I'm fine with peeps having access to my love of Queen. Also, you refusing to flip me as Queen Latifah.
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Post Post #4660 (isolation #452) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:32 am

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In post 4655, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4653, RadiantCowbells wrote:they were the same alignment (3p)
You need to come back me up against a whole lot of players who insist SK is an ALIGNMENT, Survivor is an ALIGNMENt, and no matter how I try to explain these are all ROLES and their alignment is THIRD PARTY they won't accept it.
TBF, I break it down further.

Townsiding 3p is different than Scumsiding 3p is different than Self Aligned 3p.

Like, a survivor is different inherently from SK, because SK CAN'T win with town.

Lyncher, Unlyncher, etc are all basically the same thing (other than what team they're helping).

And Jesters are garbage, outside of very carefully designed setups that utilize them in interesting ways.
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Post Post #4662 (isolation #453) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:45 am

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I'll try to remember to PM you if I decide to run another Jester Nightless anytime soon. :D
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Post Post #4674 (isolation #454) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:53 pm

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In post 4667, Malakittens wrote:I might have some talks with Jingle
Always happy to help if you need it! :D
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Post Post #4675 (isolation #455) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:54 pm

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In post 4672, RightKnight wrote:Everyone apologizing except for Flicker. Noted.
I'm sorry you were scum ;)
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Post Post #4719 (isolation #456) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:20 am

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In post 4699, Almost50 wrote::lol:

Just .. |A Blood-Thirsty Sylvester Stallone" themed game. Characters Mr Stallone played in his long career. You all get to be Sylvester. :lol:
Dibs on the one where he's a cat that wants to eat a little bird.
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Post Post #4720 (isolation #457) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:21 am

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In post 4717, Almost50 wrote:Oh, and to ALL: How the hell did you guys think HoB might've killed Thor when he was found with a pierce through the heart? HoB flipped with their flavor saying they kill with a sonic device that induces blood from every orifice.
I was pretty low effort after the thor flip, tbh.
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Post Post #4721 (isolation #458) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:51 am

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Tails wrote:I kinda get that. I had a few early successes that immediately caused people to become a lot more paranoid about me, making my job harder. And you kinda saw that with Jingle, once he knew who I was. He knew that I could manipulate him as scum, and that was constantly playing in his mind. Heck, the whole reason why I started experimenting with alts was because I wanted to remove any associations from my main and see if players would treat me differently. I just blew it with this alt during my first game and accidentally outed myself.

Also, this alt was meant to be trolly and was a parody of Metal Sonic. So there's that. People are either going to like the persona or immediately dislike this account.
Kinda works backwards with me, tbh. I know I'm going to enjoy the game more with you in it, so I am reluctant to lynch you even though I knew you were probably just manipulating me. :P
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Post Post #4728 (isolation #459) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:23 am

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Oh yeah, Ej, you can sig now if you want
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Post Post #4731 (isolation #460) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:51 am

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In post 4726, Thor665 wrote:Dibs on Oscar.
I didn't know Stallone was in Sesame Street!
In post 4729, Almost50 wrote:That's exactly what I meant. If you don't do your homework and decide to fakeclaim anyway you will be punished. People are free to ask questions in the main thread to get the answer revealed to everyone, but if they choose to do it in private they need not jump to conclusions and then come share it as "mod said so".
My rule of thumb is that I won't publicly answer any questions referring to a role that isn't flipped. If someone wants to provide me with a hypothetical role and ask how it affects their role, that's fine. But if anyone had asked about say... the lightning rod... preflip I would have answered I can't answer that question at this time, because to do so means I've considered how the role would interact, giving minor evidence that it exists.

Of course, If Toog had PM'd me (as the mod) and asked "Would my role affect a theoretical ascetic role?" I would have answered how you did, because Toog knows that a lightning rod exists and the interaction is based on how the lightning rod functions.

And yeah, you're probably a little too loose lipped with game related stuff as a mod, but that is tempered with modding games. I'd err on the side of caution and slowly increase your level of involvement, despite that your A50 charm is a lot of what made this game so fun.

Your rule isn't really bastard (it's fully announced and transparent) but it is more restrictive than my modding style. Of course, that's just my modding style. If we wanted a bunch of clones of me modding games left and right then let's just say the site would have bigger problems.
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Post Post #4732 (isolation #461) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:56 am

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Oh, also, I would add the rule that a post appearing to break the rules breaks the rules. Because rules lawyering is something that people do.

For example, if I just post a string of numbers, you have no way of telling that it isn't cryptography. But making that not against the rules means that I could post actual cryptography and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. (Note: this is an egregious example to prove the point, not something I expect to actually come up.)
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Post Post #4734 (isolation #462) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:00 am

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That's a decent argument for allowing cryptography. I wouldn't say it works as a defense of things that appear to be cryptography though.

A different example would be something from my own ruleset: It is against my rules to post your entire scumteam. This is because I've seen games where someone decided they didn't want to play anymore and conceded by just outing their team, and that's awful. The rule against appearing to break rules prevents me from saying: "I'm scum with Thor and Tails." and then being confirmed not to be scum with Thor and Tails because I didn't get modkilled for it.

Another use would be creating a fake IC role PM that says you're allowed to quote it (Not the way I'd handle the role, but valid as a mod choice, I suppose) and 'quoting' it into the thread. Technically, I didn't quote privileged information, but I appear to have, and thus the rule against looking like you've broken the rules is the one that prevents you from appearing to have broken the rules.

My four rules that I suggest for every mod (again, you don't have to adopt them, I just suggest them) are

1. Follow Site Rules.
2. DBAD. (Don't be a dick.)
3. Pretending to break the rules is just as bad as breaking the rules.
4. I reserve the right to add to or modify these rules.

Everything else generally falls under one of those four somehow, or is related to the game itself.
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Post Post #4736 (isolation #463) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:33 am

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I blame FakeGod. He helped me balance a game like 5 years ago, so anything I do wrong now is clearly his fault.
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Post Post #4757 (isolation #464) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:24 pm

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In post 4754, Thor665 wrote:It was why as an SK I kept pointing at secondary targets - I was expecting groupscum to shoot Masons and Cops.
Me too, Thor. Me too.
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Post Post #4759 (isolation #465) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:34 pm

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Agreed that you have to play correctly, disagreed that EJ was the 'right kill'. I'd have shot in the null reads or someone like Flicker to get rid of someone who wasn't going down to a lynch but also probably wasn't being shot by someone else.

And besides, that sets up a vig claim for me, where a shot at a neutral player doesn't. (Not that it would have fixed anything).
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Post Post #4761 (isolation #466) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:54 pm

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Yeah, I definitely have a different set of players that can be a viable vig kill for me.
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