Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

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whaddup

VOTE: Keyser

GOATs only

CHAINSAWING KEYSER, THE TRUE GOAT
VOTE: lefty

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oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting

I mean some sites open day 1 by aggressively shitposting which is v v boring

I often carry some reads out of rvs and reality check them later ;>

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Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard
Lcp aka mr hyde

HEY LCP<33

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Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with the worst (there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

ilu keyser

Jesus this site formatting makes phone posting hard

@Soze I’m not sure how serious I should be reading you rn

try phoneposting on mu lmao

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also "not sure how serious" comment is wolf pinging

pedit: ooooff rip
yeah the iso functions and advanced post editing kills me on mobile</3 I live on the run, you'll get used to MS mobile posting like I did I hope!

where do you usually play?

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Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?

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oh wicked! I've seen the name around but I'm pretty sure you're the first person from that site I've actually encountered. Nice to meet ya!

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how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.

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pretty fun (and cranky)

Might need to play a game over there and make sure this isn't my long lost twin!

as far as Keyser goes, he's not someone I would townread off a derpclear or tone or anything like that. He's tonally smoother than silk, even though I haven't seen his scumgame yet I feel like he'd be very capable of something like that.

pedit: either or both!

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Hmmm. I have a fair bit of experience with keyser so I might hold off on exactly how to read him here for a bit if that's alright (I promise, the end result will make up for the inconvenience. )

I kinda wish more people would come to play at this point. If you have any other hot takes lmk. I know volxen and Relly for example are good at producing content.

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good morning

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You'll notice it's primarily one sided - I would see it more as him trying to pocket us (I'm assuming that word means scum buddying town - or have I been using that word wrong? )

Lcp

oh wild, I got the same pings from Labby here. <;

MU doesn’t even work on my phone unless WiFi

Rip

Yeah, what the hell happened to MU, even in some browsers it's broken.

Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?

Bit too early for that but a

send to hell

vote on Lefty was suffice. Ask me again when everyone has posted.

as far as Keyser goes, he's not someone I would townread off a derpclear or tone or anything like that

I'm glad you put the breaks on here... I thought you were showing me too much love x

ack this post pings so towny
i'm actually a little worried about you here :{

Don’t cross the line though or a tragedy may occur

INTENT TO PRETEND THIS POST NEVER HAPPENED

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how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.

Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.

can you rephrase this post because it sounds like you're trying to allocate motive to my posting without wanting to appear too forceful which is filthyyyy

if you're asking a question please rephrase it as an open question i can actually give a qualitative answer to if you're town FYI, I don't take well to leading questions because they're manipulative and kill conversation in favour of agenda-forcing.

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I'm

Korina probably town
LCP very town

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RE: semi-valid: sometimes scum want to stop townies from forming soft t/reads so easily this early. It’s just what I felt at the time... I personally thought derpclears/town-slips were a good stepping stone out of RVS.

I agree that they are good to help get out of rvs, however, I don't really see it as the basis for a semi-serious(?) vote. Derp-clears are easy to fake, and shouldn't be used as the basis for a TR IMO.
Additionally, you don't think Lab's sheer number of posts isn't good enough to get out of RVS?

@kor - are you calling Rat a fake/weird/odd wrong’n?

Yea, I'm looking at his posts and thinking they're weird.
I'm town-soulreading his activity, however, I'm scum-reading his content.

-Kor

#greatposting

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Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor

be wary of applying Creature's old scum meta to him currently
his scumgame has improved like, markedly

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tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you

we're trying to ooc post as you every now and then to keep the vibes alive but neither of us are as good at Keyserposting as Keyser is ;(

Currently looking at Dr J - yes, he's asking questions (some I don't understand how they're helping him sort a player) and calling players posts weird/odd/wrong - but is he attributing an alignment to each of these observations? Where are his conclusions?

I.e is he just pressing players for the sake of it? (scummy motivation).

I will come up with a conclusion in the next 41 minutes.

Part of this is because I’m in a hydra, I’d much rather bounce ideas off LCPL

then

give what we both agree upon, however, if you want my own personal thoughts on the matter, I think that Lab isbplaying scummy rn.
I’m trying to apply pressure onto him to see how he reacts.

If you actually read my posts, you’d see that I’ve said I find Lab to be scummy.
I’m also waiting to see what Lab has to say before I make my final conclusion, however, atm, I think he’s likely to flip scum.

-Kor

also town indicative

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Lol

#wolfposting

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honestly

#wolfposting
I have never started an honest sentence with the worst "honestly"

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VOTE: the worst

THIS IS NOT WHAT WE AGREED

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labrat come vote the worst with me

smelly relly talk to me about this when you're around

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VOTE: the worst

>: fam
do i get to pawn the ring you gave me now?

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friendly reminder that Majority is 5 and duck has 3 votes on him rn

just don't hammer when not even a day has passed since SoD

#wolfposting

i can't believe nobody except korina is hearing how loudly this rat is howling tbh

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That's weird, I've just been handed a note:

"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"

- C R E A T U R E

bless af<3

What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)

sorry

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VOTE: Jekyll & Hyde

sweaty

no

we're not meant to be voting down today

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What should his priority have been, you think?
ftr I maybe agree but want to see you go into it more
92 from Korina reminds me of town!him

/inb4 the hydra decides keyser/lab/me is the team

bad tinfoil theories are town indicative for korina y/y?

oh dangit I wasn't "inb4" AND I was wrong
hydra I feel like you're overreacting?
Which of you is Mr. Hyde because that's who I feel like we're getting

overreacting is town indicative for korina y/y?
click their sig to ID them

VOTE: Jekyll & Hyde

you are better than this vote

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VOTE: the worst
I want him to come back to a wagon waiting

i'm back
i see the wagon
YOU ARE ALL STUPID AND BAD

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was I replaced from this game?

looool
hi creature

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Mafia Role PM

Spoiler:

You are a

Goon

(aligned with the town).

Your teammates are: […]
You can talk to them at any time on the mafia chat. [Link]

Each phase you may vote a player in order to send them to Heaven or Hell.

You win when majority of the Mafia is sent to Heaven.
You lose when majority of the Mafia is sent to Hell.

[link] to the game thread.

btw

@manatee

, just noticed that you put "aligned with the

town

" in the example mafia role-card

lmao

you can be town

alright creature you've piqued my curiosity

does this >rand come from town over scum? how are you reading labby's other posts?

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???

why did you have to roll scum again man I miss town you

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post streamer wincon nearly achieved
digging up my notes & mod rants from last night

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so basically as of like page 4 i'm pretty sure there's at least one wolf int he {DrJ, Labby, KeySo} interactions. they felt like.. steery but not actually conductive to anything really happening if that makes sense. like there's something there which is just interactions for the sake of interactions and somebody is either peddling some bullshit or coasting through that conversation. i had some intense Keyser paranoia ln but in retrospect I'm pretty sure Labby is always a wolf before Keyser here

i was on around

{tw}
{lefty, Jek/Hy}
{Carmen, Creature, Volxen, Relly}
{LabRat, ?KeySo?}

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anyway for the moment

VOTE: LabRat

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{tw}
{relly, Jek/Hy}
{lefty}
{Carmen, Volxen} ~ null
{LabRat, Creature, ?KeySo?}

probably about here

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better qualified as

{tw}
{relly, Jek/Hy}
{lefty}
{Carmen, Volxen} ~ null
{KeySo}
{LabRat, Creature}


KeySo is liable to be shifted up p quickly but i don't have the warm fuzzy feelings i'm waiting for yet!!
also i have the right number of nullscum/scumleans so i'm ok here fro the moment

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{lefty, Jek/Hy}
{Carmen, Creature, Volxen, Relly}
{LabRat, ?KeySo?}

Why is lefty so high?
Same level as "very town" Dr J?

as of page 4

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I need to see that spark, ducky.
So far I feel like in your recent posts, it looks like you've

started

with a read in your mind, then labelled NAI posts as "very town" when they aren't (i.e you know who is town already)
Suspicious bro... am I caught in confirm-bias?

show me example of post you find nai that i called very town?
i wholeheartedly disagree that i'm supporting reads i already had!

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I'm

Korina probably town
LCP very town

which part/s do you disagree with?
if i can focus on that we can cover more ground

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KEYSER
SOZE
READ MY LATER POST

AND TELL ME WHY YOU DON'T LIKE THEM

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tbh i thought lcp had posted more than he had lmao
i'm secretly slightly informed via meta but let's roll

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Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard
Lcp aka mr hyde

do you think you'll be able to read him?

Played two consecutive completed games with him recently, so I hope that helps me.

btw, DrJ is a hydra of korina and LCpl Jones (or sth like that) so unless the "brother" you're talking about is fat enough to count as 2, you should prob be using plurals

DrJ is a good short name - noted.

do it

WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,

as partners

, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.

You'll notice it's primarily one sided - I would see it more as him trying to pocket us (I'm assuming that word means scum buddying town - or have I been using that word wrong? )

Lcp

Currently reading Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde's and LabRat01's posts to/in relation with eachother... I will give a supported estimation whether they are scum partners in the next half hour.

This sounds like you are trying to get out of RVS / shitpost stage. That would give me a slight town inclination on you.

oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting

I don't agree that much with this. Imo people should be held accountable for their words even in RVS. Esp. in later days it can show a lot in hindsight.


For reference I usually get on twice or three times a day then disappear between that so please don't think I'm lurking - that's my usual pattern

Korina should hopefully be here soon.

what part of this isn't sod1 town to you tho friend?

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So far I feel like in your recent posts, it looks like you've started with a read in your mind, then labelled NAI posts as "very town" when they aren't (i.e you know who is town already)

{LabRat, Creature, ?KeySo?}

Me same level as creature?

I don't like your tier's bro.

Are you making these up, usually I can see through your eyes. Sense your focus, feel your suspicion.

You'll have to substantiate them all soon.

@Irrelephant - what you think?


P.EDIT Ok, we can go through LCP's posts if you like.

quoting for postgame

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Are you null here or "very town" here?

town
that's a solvey mindset for mid-rvs, esp when most of the thread is shitposting/claiming scum
i always try to come out of rvs with some kind of read and wasn't getting strong vibes on anyone else

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honestly i called him "very town" because he pinged town to me consistently while he is posting, i'm cognisant of the fact that him sounding like that early is town indicative...and also i was biased by korina's posting later

i think that slot's reasonably obviously town, i'll be reevaluating it but i don't feel like i should be paranoid...? or doubting that people who sound like town in rvs might be tEh ScUmZ?

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tbh you're the read i'm the most angery about because i really like townreading you

i hate sharing tells and i think i have a pretty good towntell on you
gonna wait for someone to weigh in on if i need to explain why i think you're woofin' so early/if they don't see it

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better qualified as

{tw}
{relly, Jek/Hy}
{lefty}
{Carmen, Volxen} ~ null
{KeySo}
{LabRat, Creature}


KeySo is liable to be shifted up p quickly but i don't have the warm fuzzy feelings i'm waiting for yet!!
also i have the right number of nullscum/scumleans so i'm ok here fro the moment

throw me a read you want explained, any read.

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Are you null here or "very town" here?

town
that's a solvey mindset for mid-rvs, esp when most of the thread is shitposting/claiming scum
i always try to come out of rvs with some kind of read and wasn't getting strong vibes on anyone else

Do you think mine and rat's "solvey mindset for mid-rvs" is fake/forced/manufactured then?

Why don't my RVS posts warrant the

'always try to come out of rvs with some kind of read'

townie mentality?

yes, and yes
show me where you think i should be seeing town from you here?

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throw me a read you want explained, any read.

I'll wait til you've fully caught up bro.

i'm caught up af fam, fighting off a hangover but i am READY TO ROLL

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*thumbs up*
brb

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Spoiler: how to read rvs like a ducky with too much time on his hands!!

no confirmation?

and first

VOTE: Dr J-sth

Mafia Role PM

[snipped spoiler tags]

You are a

Goon

(aligned with the town).

Your teammates are: […]
You can talk to them at any time on the mafia chat. [Link]

Each phase you may vote a player in order to send them to Heaven or Hell.

You win when majority of the Mafia is sent to Heaven.
You lose when majority of the Mafia is sent to Hell.

[link] to the game thread.

btw

@manatee

, just noticed that you put "aligned with the

town

" in the example mafia role-card

goons reveal yourselves!
lol

that's what you get from copy-pasting stuff

I'm actually kinda curious if the goons got that in their RCs as well or is it just a one-time thing

true random rvs apparently is nai
mechanical solving and flooding with fluffposts reeks tryhard in a way that town doesn't need to do in rvs

fwiw i think wolves are like 5% more likely to pick up on the typo than town but that's kinda not all that AI either

whaddup

VOTE: Keyser

GOATs only

cute pun, obviously saw your avatar before
this is rarely partner indicative fyi

I'm actually kinda curious if the goons got that in their RCs as well or is it just a one-time thing

Did you double check?

vibes solvier than not, but not strong; he's approached this with some kind of wolf and/or curiosity ping from Labby's observations which is kewl

I'm actually kinda curious if the goons got that in their RCs as well or is it just a one-time thing

Did you double check?

fortunately I can't

wanna check it for me?

The old switcheroo

nice

fluffy/bantery NAI

wanna check it for me?

Nah, it's not there.

VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

scum probably make this comment as "too scummy to be scum" like SLIGHTLY more than town make this comment but also fluffposting

wanna check it for me?

Nah, it's not there.

VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmen
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?

this post made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up

ugh, I was talking about the town RC if it wasn't obvious

I was re-reading the thread and noticed that my post could be understood as a disgusting joke
that vote was half-serious, it was not pure RvS, so read it as so

and c'mon, someone write sth
it's boring being here alone

pings wolfy again that she was conscious enough of what she posted to feel like someone would read her post and assume she's talking about a scum rolecard

sigh, gn

oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting

originally shitting on derpclears as an institution kinda rubbed me the wrong way but in this case i actually pretty strongly agree that the derpclear conversation/interaction between Labby and Carmen felt gross

Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard
Lcp aka mr hyde

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shiptoasting aside like, town!LCP is the kinda guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. this is also v much the kind of observation that i'd expect from him, and the kind of thing i'd expect him to raise itt. this is actually my first thought upon seeing labby's original pickup about the sample scum role pm so also 0.01 point for hiveminding with me for a sec (can't award anymore because it's a pretty easy pickup still, it's towny. and assuming it's coming from a mAsTeR sCuM mAnIpUlAtOrZ before it's just coming from town strikes me as heavily counter intuitive given this setup and how early we are

The mistake has been fixed. I would appreciate it if talk of Rolecards stopped

anti angle shooting good faith mods best mods <3

oof, I was just about to explain my bullshit theory in detail :/
that's a shame
vote stays though

early gamesolving was a typo in the mod post, speculation which >rand comes from scum before town, and an angleshooty theory which she can no longer post
she then does not explain why she's voteparking this

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

Did you know I can lick my own ears?

Okapis that is. Not me.

oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting

SCUM! For trying to discredit a semi-valid reason to t/read someone this early.

VOTE: Lefty

i'll talk about why i didn't like this post if someone i townread wants me to scumcase you but there's...no town indicative solving here fmpov
if i should be seeing something towny from your slot and i'm being Dumb And Bad [tm] please point me in the right direction tho bc i like townreading you a lot

Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard
Lcp aka mr hyde

hi btw, I've read the first 10-ish pages of your first newb game on MS. You played well, I prob wouldn't have been able to catch you

either buddyish or pointless, net NAI

uhh, dunno if the grammar is correct, but w/e

I'm prob gonna be making a lot of grammar mistakes btw. I'm not really good at it

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?

and why do you want to roll scum with them

NAI
either useless or 1% buddyish wrt lcp and 1% "easy interaction" aka. partner indicative with you
all things considered i probably swing NAI before anything else but welcome to the deep dark depths of my paranoia

Currently reading Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde's and LabRat01's posts to/in relation with eachother... I will give a supported estimation whether they are scum partners in the next half hour.

@Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - is there a way of abbreviating your name brother? It's quite a mouthful.

not towny
will not talk about unless a townread wants you scumcased

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?

For some reason I thought it was a 7:2 setup... learnt from the OP that there are in fact three mafia! "majority of scum" makes sense now though: we only need to send two mafia to hell to win (?).
the worst is a great character to play with as town or scum -

I think we would have just as much fun together as town or scum

.
In the Watchmen game we were both town.

Currently reading Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde's and LabRat01's posts to/in relation with eachother... I will give a supported estimation whether they are scum partners in the next half hour.

@Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - is there a way of abbreviating your name brother? It's quite a mouthful.

do it

btw, DrJ is a hydra of korina and LCpl Jones (or sth like that) so unless the "brother" you're talking about is fat enough to count as 2, you should prob be using plurals

w h o
c a r e s

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?

For some reason I thought it was a 7:2 setup... learnt from the OP that there are in fact three mafia! "majority of scum" makes sense now though: we only need to send two mafia to hell to win (?).
the worst is a great character to play with as town or scum -

I think we would have just as much fun together as town or scum

.
In the Watchmen game we were both town.

yep

do you think you'll be able to read him?

fits within either town or scum ISO
imo this is not a solving post, just one that could be construed either way/i feel like i should be more emotive about if that makes sense?

Jesus this site formatting makes phone posting hard

@Soze I’m not sure how serious I should be reading you rn

i like this reaction to a first time seeing you Keyser ;>
not strongly AI just.. ~fluid~

still more likely to come from a MaStEr ScUm MaNiPuLaToRz than LCP's posting!

But based on 28 & 29 in succession I’m assuming somewhat serious?

i do actually like the fact he clearly went back and thought about how seriously to take you

Jesus this site formatting makes phone posting hard

@Soze I’m not sure how serious I should be reading you rn

you should always be serious

(no, but seriusly, the game won't progress on its own so just do sth)

btw, does that mean IF you were serious, you'd have a read on him? mind elaborating?

oof, just noticed I understood the post wong

1) lamist > solvey, 1% wolf scented
2) o k
and?

do you think you'll be able to read him?

Played two consecutive completed games with him recently, so I hope that helps me.

btw, DrJ is a hydra of korina and LCpl Jones (or sth like that) so unless the "brother" you're talking about is fat enough to count as 2, you should prob be using plurals

DrJ is a good short name - noted.

do it

WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,

as partners

, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.

But based on 28 & 29 in succession I’m assuming somewhat serious?

I believe I've been serious in each post so far (all reads/conclusions) based on the limited data so far.

I admittedly amped up my suspicion/scum feels for you to 11 for effect though.

I admittedly amped up my suspicion/scum feels for you to 11 for effect though.

*up to 11
[snipped spoiler tags]

still not talking about unless a townread wants you scumcased
in case you hadn't noticed, my read on you is a bit more 4D than my reads on {Labby, Creature}
it's also more liable to be wrong than those two are imo but you're not making me feel like it is

I understood what you meant lol. I figured as much at the time, but then you followed up with Dr. J/Rat spec so I wasn’t sure. I’m not really interested in arguing the merits of it anyway

How are you reading Dr. J and LabRat independently?

this is more towny than Labby's "read the post wrong" moment imo, what do you think?

Reads 2 pages in??


Well, Dr J hasn’t impressed anything on me yet.

Labrat has come into the game seemingly relaxed (comfortable, open chatty aura)... the role pm error spot gave him his entrance... since then raising questions... yeah nothing much to allocate as significantly alignment indicative. It’s his tone which maybe goes in his favour.

s/s ping
still not talking about further unless a townread wants you scumcased

do it

WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,

as partners

, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.

uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre game
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it

this is a post

whaddup

VOTE: Keyser

GOATs only

CHAINSAWING KEYSER, THE TRUE GOAT
VOTE: lefty

the hero has arrived~~~~!

I mean, you already decided they’re not M/M in two pages so why not

I like this ridicule :3 and think it reads slightly against you/Lefty being aligned fwiw

oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting

I mean some sites open day 1 by aggressively shitposting which is v v boring

I often carry some reads out of rvs and reality check them later ;>

whaddup

VOTE: Keyser

GOATs only

CHAINSAWING KEYSER, THE TRUE GOAT
VOTE: lefty

But the sheep pic tho

I thought it was funny

Hi o/

D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat

He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard
Lcp aka mr hyde

HEY LCP<33

oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting

I mean some sites open day 1 by aggressively shitposting which is v v boring

I often carry some reads out of rvs and reality check them later ;>

I shoulda said *this* pg 1. At least in regards to the responses in the RC talk

Soul reads are real, man. I get it

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with the worst (there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

ilu keyser

Jesus this site formatting makes phone posting hard

@Soze I’m not sure how serious I should be reading you rn

try phoneposting on mu lmao

MU doesn’t even work on my phone unless WiFi

Rip

obv my thoughts here became more obvious because this is where i entered the thread!!
i also kinda enjoyed my real time interactions with lefty and in case it isn't already obvious voteparked him for teh reacshins

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talk to me if you disagree with how i came out of rvs with reads but i think {labby, jek/hy, lefty} slots were the most readable. you'd be in fourth place for making my brain ache but i'm still sitting on that one a little longer. <3
creature is a weak read obviously but like. he appeared itt when called out, posted enough completely unsolvey shite to look like he's not stereotypical lurker scum creature, then disappeared

couple of specific tells as well but if you think i'm gonna tell him what i'm looking for from town!him this early you don't know me

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You'll notice it's primarily one sided - I would see it more as him trying to pocket us (I'm assuming that word means scum buddying town - or have I been using that word wrong? )

i also like this post
it flows on from his initial uncomfortable read on labby pretty smoothly and i actually agree with where he's coming from

net of all things in a COURT OF LAW i don't think labby's actions were all that strongly alignment indicative but in a vacuum the buddyish vibe towards lcp's slot was the first thing i picked up on and i also think it's >rand town for lcp to state this itt

This sounds like you are trying to get out of RVS / shitpost stage. That would give me a slight town inclination on you.

faintly town scented but not overly AI

I don't agree that much with this. Imo people should be held accountable for their words even in RVS. Esp. in later days it can show a lot in hindsight.

faintly town scented but not overly AI



what are you reading differently here? i'm not even gonna go into Korina's posts because the kid gives me a migraine but i just think this slot is super obvtown?

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quack

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recommended listening for Rat's ISO
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... mpVtjTqI9G

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i don't know what you expect wrt creature
what's your read on lab?

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and sorry relly :c i love catching teh scumz as much as the next adorbs animal but sadly you're on the wrong track this time

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Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly

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Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly

And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?

this is too much goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCK

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I'm

Korina probably town
LCP very town

we are the same alignment, no need to sort us seperately?
I suppose tbh we are playing a bit disjointed rn, but once we figure it out a bit more that will hopefully improve
I'd also like to see reasoning for that?

lcp

this post is so wholesome!!
i've explained plenty, lmk if you want more.

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Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly

And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?

this is too much goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCK

Again, why can’t I be town who isn’t scum-reading Labrat?

This overdramatic foreplay still doesn’t answer my question.

Why am I scum forcefully ‘steering’ off players from my ‘scumpartner’?

This new narrative about me and labrat being scum partners is very concerning.

i asked you a question, i'm not pushing the fact i s/s read you all that hard atm because i was hoping you'd laugh it off and give me more shiny content.
what's your angle here? like fyi i'd rather flip labby first and work it out from there but i don't townread you either and there's nothing that's disallowing me from reading you guys as s/s

what's the aversion to this question?

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actually
VOTE: Creature

lynch this today for 11/10 guaranteed scumflip
send Dr. J to heaven tomorrow

if Lab/Keyser are town they can prove it

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actually
VOTE: Creature

lynch this today for 11/10 guaranteed scumflip

Oh cool, you've become sheepsaysmeep 2.0

we actually just hydra'd in a game, maybe i've learned more from him than i realised?

if Lab/Keyser are town they can prove it

So can I

do it I dare you!

tbh I'm more ready to send players to heaven than scum to hell.

it's definitely easier that way but i think that adds to the challenge of the setup in a way

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Felt like you were chainlinking mine and Labrat’s lynches.

I’ve seen scum do that recently (Eragon).

I was experiencing those same unsettling feelings.

Who are you talking about?

Sorry was talking to TW

i don't have tonnes to add on this
i'm just producing content as best i can atm

like this is mafia. i could have my pants on my head. maybe my top townread will be lynched today. just because you smell like s/s from a distance, doesn't mean i'm a wolf who's going to lay down some glorious master plan lynch chain d1 and tunnel it into oblivion

this isn't a real take, surely

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how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.

Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.

can you rephrase this post because it sounds like you're trying to allocate motive to my posting without wanting to appear too forceful which is filthyyyy

if you're asking a question please rephrase it as an open question i can actually give a qualitative answer to if you're town FYI, I don't take well to leading questions because they're manipulative and kill conversation in favour of agenda-forcing.

Underhanded, yeeeah
But effective

That was not exactly a question. The way you combined the request for reads with the explanation of why you’re doing it felt off and lamist.
And kinda buddyish/pocketish now that I look at it
Can you comment on that?

I literally have no idea what you're asking me for here LOL
if it's in relation to a specific post can you quote that post?

sorry to be difficult but your line of questioning is really jarring with the way I think for some reason

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Why do you think Creature is scum, and why is he a better lynch than Rat?

He's avoiding producing content at all costs
He's approached this game in the opposite way to how town!Creature approaches games (which is a fallible read, but is a good start)

ergo I vote him and encourage others to do so, so that we can torture him for information!!! >: D

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we actually just hydra'd in a game, maybe i've learned more from him than i realised?

Learned to misread me like three games a row from him?

well we only just hydra'd so...no?
also you used this "misreading me" thing as scum in Heroes Wanted didn't you? I use the same argument as scum..

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honestly

#wolfposting
I have never started an honest sentence with the worst "honestly"

I do, it’s just the way I talk
I used to overuse stuff like “tbh/tbf/ngl”, “imo”, etc not too long ago, but I’ve gotten better

we may actually be twins
also i don't care the rest of the post was woofy

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wait, I get that you didn’t like my explanation that the read is a read, but how was the read itself bad

and bullshit or not, it was still my only read back then and there wasn’t much to go off other than that so I don’t see why should I have changed the vote.

like, intent/reasoning behind reads is 90% of mafia. the actual reads themselves are like..some awkward mesh of luck and skill but I'm trying to SORT YOU not sheep your reads so we swing back to intent/reasoning being the important part : D

which brings me to remembering I couldn't parse any actual explanation on the read from you
I didn't agree with the read, and in a vacuum couldn't think of a way to side with it
that's not expressly wolf indicative obviously but also you didn't explain your thought process so

what's your read on keyser, labby?

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UNVOTE:
Meh, Duck’s posts got so much better. I don’t think I agree with them, but I really like their enthusiasm while talking about their TRs
Not overly townie, but I'm ok with it rn

And I’m not a fan of volxen’s read on me.
The arguments he uses feel underwhelming compared to how much time was he willing to waste writing it
read prob coming soon

why did you unvote me here if you don't think I'm town but are blindly sheeping others?
I'm clearly wagonable in this gamestate. Look at the VCs for D1.
Why didn't you vote volxen here? Can you show me which parts of it felt underwhelming, and why you think that's scum indicative?

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@volxen putting associations, VCA and scum partner theories aside, are you t/reading the worst independently?

I don't feel comfortable giving TW a townread yet, no. I do think he made a good case against Rat, especially in post 297, and I do find Rat to have the most scum equity at the moment, but I'm not ready to write off TW as town yet either.

Where I am currently at is I find Dr. J to be the most towny player and Rat to be the most scummy player. I'm still kind of unsure on everyone else.

@Keyser, I am starting to get concerned that if Rat is scum, you could be one of her partners. As I pointed out earlier, it was just odd how quick she was to attack two different people for asking, in my opinion, completely legitimate questions about your slot. If she is scum it's possible that she is simply buddying/defending town!Keyser, but the way she wanted to shut down both questions about Keyser's slot could be indicative of SvS interactions. Keyser, if Rat is scum, why is TW more likely to be one of her partners than you?

But in any case, do you really think TW would gambit as scum and try to get his one of his scumbuddies sent to hell on day one? I would consider that quite a risky gambit because if he does that, then the only way he could win as scum is if both he and his remaining scumbuddy get sent to Heaven. So unless he's convinced that both he and his other scumbuddy could get a lot of towncredit for busing Rat, it seems like quite a risky play to open on day one by busing one of his partners in a game mode that, in my opinion, heavily discourages busing.

This post is so so towny
god if I'm misreading volxen here I'm going to feel dumb as shit postgame

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You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?

why is this so ridiculous...?
the reason chainsawing is a scumtell is that inexperienced scum players tend to do it unintentionally

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new rule: we powerlynch the next person to say "LAMIST"
it should be outlawed

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yeah post 99 was.. a post
did you have any other reasons or?

also, read on Keyser?

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That’s just incredibly lazy

Labby what parts of this post do you think actually indicate that volxen is not aligned with the town?
I think you're just tunnelling his playstyle and think he should die for it. if you're town I need you to reassess this asap because you're aggressively driving us off a cliff by clogging the thread up with posts which don't actually advance any gamesolving

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Btw, Keyser’s baffled reactions to TW SRing him so hard feel really natural. That’s not anything I’d feel safe basing my read on him, but I think I can rather fairly say that they’re not SvS

you didn't find Keyser's tone shift and reaction to be too much?
I actually felt it was unnaturally dramatic. I'm pretty sure the town!Keyser I know and love would have given me an equally shitposty response to my question about you and him being scumbuddies. But instead he flipped his lid.

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If LabRat flips scum - we never send me to heaven. Deal?

Deal. :>

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If you are town, you are really misunderstanding why I am scumreading you

volxy i owe you a drink postgame regardless of alignments ~_~

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just musing bc i've got to the top of this page:

there is a world where i'm wrong on labby
i don't think i'm wrong on creature and i think keyser is more likely scum than labby if i'm wrong on them being s/s

the language around "if labby flips red..." and the fact keyser appears to be JUMPING INTO their associatives so heavily pings agenda-ey, but feels anti-s/s. at the same time i think keyser knows that this kind of behaviour doesn't look like s/s so i feel like he might even do it as s/s? i need to have a better think abt this but like i'm vibing

hell: Creature unless he towns, Keyser
heaven: volxen, DrJ, maybe me

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how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.

Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.

can you rephrase this post because it sounds like you're trying to allocate motive to my posting without wanting to appear too forceful which is filthyyyy

if you're asking a question please rephrase it as an open question i can actually give a qualitative answer to if you're town FYI, I don't take well to leading questions because they're manipulative and kill conversation in favour of agenda-forcing.

Underhanded, yeeeah
But effective

That was not exactly a question. The way you combined the request for reads with the explanation of why you’re doing it felt off and lamist.
And kinda buddyish/pocketish now that I look at it
Can you comment on that?

I literally have no idea what you're asking me for here LOL
if it's in relation to a specific post can you quote that post?

sorry to be difficult but your line of questioning is really jarring with the way I think for some reason

ugh, nvm
it was the first quote in the post btw

i mean the "quoting the usual suspects and burninating scum" thing was a joke, sorry if it didn't come across that way
huh maybe that's why people thought i was scum in rvs. note to self, be moar srsbsns in rvs again.

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what's your read on keyser, labby?

I don't really have a read on him rn, most of his posts are tonally composed and he doesn't show many emotions besides those few posts where he seemed surprised for you SRing him and the happiness/jokiness from time to time. Like, I don't think I can read that. I'd probably need to read some of his games (or at least the ISOs) to check if he's normally that reactionless as now, but for now meh.

If there's anything I could said to have pinged me, it would be his suggestion to "never lynch him to heaven if I flip scum". Like, that was just bad and I don't get his reasoning for thinking that "the martyrs would have obviously lynched him",
Kind of seemed like a cheap excuse, but again, I don't think I'm able to tell if he really forgot about the judgment day mechanics or not so it's not a read I value strongly

idk, honestly, I've been kind of flaking with reading him, but I'll prob have to change that when I can along with my other bad reads on the nuller half of the playerlist

nnnnnnnnnhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

VOTE: Keyser
sorry my love</3

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I DON'T KNOW KEYSER

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@TW, what do you think about this? Keyser is essentially saying that if Rat is scum, she is buddying/defending him in a similar manner to how I buddied/defended Keyser as scum in Watcher Wanted (link for anyone interested to that game: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77119). As you, Irrelephant, and Keyser will all recall, as scum in that game most of my ISO revolved around Keyser, and I chainsaw defended him by attacking people who attacked him (e.g., 2.781/Huntress). To quote Keyser, my strategy as scum in that game was to use Keyser as a springboard to attack and scumpaint any townies who attacked him. Keyser is claiming that may be happening again in this game, except this time it is Rat who is buddying/defending him.

Do you think that is likely to be going on here -- do you think town!Keyser is being buddied/defended by scum!Rat? Does Rat's treatment of Keyser's slot seem similar to how I treated Keyser in Watcher Wanted, where Keyser was town and I was scum? Or do you think the interactions between Rat and Keyser are more likely SvS?

In short:

most likely: SvS
second most likely: town!labby / scum!Keyser
then: scum!labby / town!keyser
probably never: TvT

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there's always gonna be arguments for one way or the other but it's pretty natural that an argument which rings true to your scum meta will resonate with you

i think it's possible, just think keyser has higher scum equity than labby rn even though i don't like labby's posting

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@TW,

Why would town!Rat chainsaw defend scum!Keyser in these two posts thugh?

if she were reading him incorrectly I guess
chainsawing isn't something scum EXCLUSIVELY do (i probably chainsaw slightly more as town than as scum because i'm conscious of it as scum)
don't think this is a smoking gun on s!lab / x!keyser

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btw, is your TR on him also based on meta or just the content of the post?

90% content, 10% is just a buffer that i've seen his scumgame and think it's less likely this is fake

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hhhmmm?

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Feel better soon lovely

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Thanks DrJ. That's exactly what I've been peddling and it's been driving me mad that no one else has been seeing it.

I'll EoD compromise lynch creature but I feel like we win more often by lynching a more contentious slot d1 and blasting him d3 if that makes sense?

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Mafia Role PM

Spoiler:

You are a

Goon

(aligned with the town).

Your teammates are: […]
You can talk to them at any time on the mafia chat. [Link]

Each phase you may vote a player in order to send them to Heaven or Hell.

You win when majority of the Mafia is sent to Heaven.
You lose when majority of the Mafia is sent to Hell.

[link] to the game thread.

btw

@manatee

, just noticed that you put "aligned with the

town

" in the example mafia role-card

lmao

you can be town

I'm not gonna answer the questions, I answered before.
just no, I've had enough
sorry

and I'm not gonna answer the bullshit ones

you can listen to that instead

???

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with the worst

Who did you roll scum with?

What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)

You're probably only right on TW.

(I have good feels so far: not in terms of current tangible reads, but I think nearly everyone who’s been posting will be easier to sort down the line.

Well except for Carmen’s single post

).

Which I read town for some reason

My first thought is I caught scum!tw from Presidents but my second thought is that I could maybe come around
Oh and creature, talk to me more on that slot @tw

He did enough for me to hesitate on

Think this is the only analytical content so far
Rest is gamestate fluffing and stuff he doesn't do as scum and stuff he'll do later

He's 80% scum but if he's town he's right in saying it's more obvious later

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Join us on Keyser?

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You 2 can L-1 him
Make him aquirm

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Squirm

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because he rolled scum but not with you?

Obviously. That makes me angery!!!
I think you indicated having a scumread on him too earlier, what's your read atm?

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Creature man why can't you just bus like a normal cheeky scumfuck? You're making this too obvious

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g r o o a n

my reservation is I have some spicy tells on keyser which I believe are working really well. as soon as I name them I become unable to use them again

are you sure you can't take my word for it or read it from his content?

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g r o o a n

my reservation is I have some spicy tells on keyser which I believe are working really well. as soon as I name them I become unable to use them again

are you sure you can't take my word for it or read it from his content?

I see. Is your scumread of him based entirely off of his content from this game, or is it in part a meta read based on other games you have played with him? Would I need to read his other games to be able to see these same tells that you are seeing from him?

And have you played with scum!Keyser before in other games?

80% his content this game, applied against a metric of his town and scum meta which suggests to me I'm on the right track!

I haven't played against scum!Keyser first hand but I've read tonnes of his past games. Time has changed but I think certain..... quirks~ have become more prominent.

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if anyone wants to see why Creature is scum iso him in Heroes Wanted. he made f3 as scum by ridiculing people's meta reads on him and posting content of a slightly higher calibre than this.

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if anyone wants to see why Creature is scum iso him in Heroes Wanted. he made f3 as scum by ridiculing people's meta reads on him and posting content of a slightly higher calibre than this.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76709

Hop to page 3 for f3 play if you're interested
otherwise just a scroll thru is fine
sorry for linking to spamfest game

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Why are you guys so towny?

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Oh yeah, that game where I was afraid to post anything, had to come up with something to satisfy town (including returning to page 1 and pretending to be "catching up") and faking complete ignorance about the setup (hence why I didn't talk about it even when the Math thing was obviously scum).

ye that's right
and?

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yeah but normally your ISO feels like you give a fuck about solving the game and you normally have fairly nuanced reads rather than just like. aggressively prodging and defending yourself with unsupported meta 24/7

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Specially in a game with a low number of players and even lower number of readable players and even lower number of interesting posts to comment on.

I think Keyser's slot demands being read decisively. I think Labby inspires a read. I think DrJ and volxy are easy to townread in this game.

Why are you struggling so much?

pedit: paediatric LMAO
okokok fine but I still want keyser in hell phase 2
VOTE: Creature

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yeah but normally your ISO feels like you give a fuck about solving the game

I usually value realtime interactions first.

Why are these real time interactions so wolfy then?

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I don't feel like calling someone town or scum when it's basically gun-to-my-head.

If you feel like you're too heavily under pressure here step back. Neither me nor DrJ are getting anything from talking in circles with you. Go back and solve this sucker and give us something wild.

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ok so you want real time interactions but won't use the real-time interactions to solve rather than spamming incorrect self-defence meta which has been countered ane you've ignored but also won't eject yourself from the conversation to take a back seat and some independent solving because you want real time interactions with.... someone else? who's on your mind?

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Wait, are you saying we need to look at Creature's predecessor's content in that game as well? Because I just looked at that game and Creature didn't replace Human Sequencer until page 129 of the game. So do I need to read through Human Sequencer's content as well to understand this meta read of Creature and how Creature managed to make it to the final three in that game?

NO DON'T DO THIS
I value your eyes too much and they will bleed

just iso creature if you wanna get a feeling for it. Page 129 was still... d1? maybe d2 at the latest.

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We'll, I'm off to bed
Hoping town does the right thing and votes creature

It will flip scum, I'm 99% sure

Lcp


Also @tw what 521 page monstrosity is that?!

Sorry I meant to link his ISO... I am bad

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viewtopic.php?t=76709&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

I unfucked up the thing
＼(￣▽￣;)／

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Do you feel the marked difference between those quotations and his play here? I'll go read the game but I already smell it >:

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Can you See the difference between that game and this game?

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Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01, Keyser Söze

11/10 will pmsl if the entire scumteam is counterwagoning "Not Voting"
that guy's reads have been on point

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Keyser my reads have progressed from

{Keyser}
{Lab, Creature}

to

{Lab}
{Keyser, Creature}

and I have communicated such constantly. Your meta on Creature is a joke. You're not making any effort to actually sort him via meta and you ignored my reach out about whether you were actually seeing similarities/differences between this game and the game you linked.

What part of my trajectory haven't I been clear on? I think I am wrong on scum!Lab before I'm wrong on scum!Creature. I think you have higher scum equity than Lab. Your eagerness to have Lab lynched and..... what, trying to coerce me into voting her? Shading me for not voting her? Is a trainwreck.

If you're town get your act together gorgeous. You don't scumread me here, and the fact you're cherry picking posts out of my iso and ignoring my overwhelmingly transparent trajectory proves that.

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Also lol at me buddying or white knighting DrJ
It's called townreading sweaty

Standing on the outside looking in:
If I'm pocketing anyone, objectively speaking, I am pocketing either volxen or Labby. You actually alluded to the fact you saw something uncomfortable in the {Lobby, tw} dynamic, why did you not think I'm pocketing her by whimsically shifting her up my read list in lieu of other players?

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@mod lefty and Carmen need prods. Would humbly request deadline freeze between 24-48 hours should the slots remain vacant[

up to u ofc but this setup stinks without wagons/the prospect of a maj lynch

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one last lol @ Keyser badly chainsawing me for calling out Creature I haven't been this obvious town or felt like I had the game won on d1 in months!

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keyser
scumcasing you to you accomplishes two things
1) it tells you what i am looking for to townread you
2) it makes you self-aware so that i lose any tells i have on you currently

spend more time solving and less time fussing over me pls. i am not scum, clearly, and you should try and solve as though i'm cleared

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1) I want Creature lynched today, we can lynch his buddy next hell phase
2) why are you mislynchable? This list should be able to read you fairly well if you're town I would think?
3) I'm linking you to Creature more strongly than LabRat. your associatives with Labby can easily be mistaken (just your recent posts feel very agenda-driven around hard-pushing for her lynch ://)
4) that's an holistic statement and is probably not super relevant atm anyway
5) how so? what do you think my agenda is here other than sorting players and nuking teh scumz?

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D E A L

ok firstly where i disagree with your assessment

- his spam will always outweigh his content

i probably don't agree with this but maybe it's because i enjoy jamming with town!creature. he gives off a "living in the thread" vibe and does have throwaway posts which are probably not necessary but they are by far outweighted by lucid, transparent thoughts (refer his title for this reason )

- he’ll never LAMIST/try to convey super-Townie

concur

- he’ll project that he’s not bothered about being s/read
- antagonise players s/reading him

1) concur
2) concur to a point, i think he antagonises players who are scumreading him to the point of producing content but not to the point of ridicule as town. him ridiculing scumreads on him without engaging with them is scum indicative every time.

- not explain every one of his votes in great detail

agree but within thread context his trajectory is usually pretty clear, and to that end:

- his read trajectory won’t be explicit and supported

disagree; his reads may not always be perfect and he does read very whimsically, but I think his trajectory as town is usually pretty clear.

creature is infamous from the old days for freezing up and zero posting / replacing out as scum. his scumgame has developped a lot (refer Heroes Wanted) but he is not a strong force. he struggles with posting regularly, sorting players, displaying faked nuanced reads and expressing questions in a tangible fashion. as scum he also struggles with answering simple questions and providing reads when asked under pressure. as town he is very comfortable with his living ITT thing but he's also very rarely unable to handle real time interactions. he does regularly talk about game-related stuff, sure he often doesn't have highly nuanced reads but his reads are at least SOMEWHAT reasoned and usually better than level-0 town, and he is very capable of asking questions and engaging with players. he is also capable of at least pretending to pressure players as town. current scum!Creature meta is basically teasing players with what he thinks is a semblance of his towngame, but in reality I actually think it's easy to sort. Just not as easy as it used to be.

Appendix I: things i wish i townread
long name: a generous showing of his entire game related ISO and why it is obvscum bullshit

Spoiler: 9 posts of a 98 post iso

Mafia Role PM

You are a

Goon

(aligned with the town).

Your teammates are: […]
You can talk to them at any time on the mafia chat. [Link]

Each phase you may vote a player in order to send them to Heaven or Hell.

You win when majority of the Mafia is sent to Heaven.
You lose when majority of the Mafia is sent to Hell.

[link] to the game thread.

[/spoiler snipped]

btw

@manatee

, just noticed that you put "aligned with the

town

" in the example mafia role-card

lmao

you can be town

this is unexplained shit but for the sake of the exercise let's pretend it's a real read

{lab}
{null}

What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)

You're probably only right on TW.

i'm someone who has correctly nailed him as scum more than once and who he works well with as town
i had almost zero posted

there is absolutely no chance he's itt lolscumreading me this early and doing nothing about it. but let's pretend he is.

{lab}
{null}
{tw}

(I have good feels so far: not in terms of current tangible reads, but I think nearly everyone who’s been posting will be easier to sort down the line.

Well except for Carmen’s single post

).

Which I read town for some reason

ok then,,,???

{lab, carmen}
{null}
{tw}

Me same level as creature?

Yeah, you're probably below

why when how what who what how when
{lab, carmen}
{null}
{tw, keyser???}

Also if I was scum I'd be more willing to give townreads. I'm rn struggling to get decent reads.

My first thought is I caught scum!tw from Presidents but my second thought is that I could maybe come around
Oh and creature, talk to me more on that slot @tw

He did enough for me to hesitate on

ooook

{lab, carmen}
{tw?}
{null}
{keyser?}

Join us on Keyser?

What? Why?

{lab, carmen}
{tw?}
{null}
{keyser?}


this is a viable wagon option which i've been pushing as a viable wagon option for ages
creature has implied he doesn't townread you and has a free vote

his hesitation is never town indicative, is scum indicative and is very very slightly partner indicative

because he rolled scum but not with you?

I think you indicated having a scumread on him too earlier

Him saying he didn't roll scum with you.

Yeah.

{lab, carmen}
{tw?}
{null}
{keyser?}

still not voting

as a caveat he spent this entire conversation avoiding engaging with me about any reads or the current state of the game

Appendix II: scum indicators
posts spent applying incorrect self-meta, ridiculing others' scumreads without engagement, explicitly squirming and avoiding producing content, including posts in response to being actively pressed to produce content and displaying a wish for real time interactions while actively squirming in real time interactions

i will not be commenting on these because the appendix name makes my commentary fairly obvious

Spoiler: 35 posts of 98 post iso

Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor

You've been in that game where I've been humilatingly called low-threat.

also I don't zeropost intentionally for too long as scum

That's weird, I've just been handed a note:

"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"

- C R E A T U R E

is it a joke, or what? I don't get it

Sorry my bad joke - I was amused by the

'if Creature lurks he's scum'

post

Town!me could easily say that.

Sometimes I have a good reason to lurk

oh fun, I didn't know I was interacting with an alt
I probably will never guess who you are because I always guess alts wrong, so enjoy knowing me while I don't know you!

It wasn't obvious it was an alt?

I'm gonna aim for the long game.

Find one scum per hell phase
One town per heaven phase

Also I'd probably rave a lot during RVS like I did when I entered this thread.

Goons aligned with the town seems funny. I wouldn't notice it myself though.

Also if I was scum I'd be more willing to give townreads. I'm rn struggling to get decent reads.

actually
VOTE: Creature

lynch this today for 11/10 guaranteed scumflip

Oh cool, you've become sheepsaysmeep 2.0

if Lab/Keyser are town they can prove it

So can I

tbh I'm more ready to send players to heaven than scum to hell.

we actually just hydra'd in a game, maybe i've learned more from him than i realised?

Learned to misread me like three games a row from him?

do it I dare you!

Are they doing it now?

tbh if I did it rn it simply wouldn't be natural

In short:

most likely: SvS
second most likely: town!labby / scum!Keyser
then: scum!labby / town!keyser
probably never: TvT

You'll be a great scientist.

His saying that he doesn't do this or that as scum when its stuff he's doing it looks extremely scummy.

Never heard of this scumtell.

Like, do you expect scum to go "hey i don't post as scum" "i am posting, thus is am town"?

Give me one flipped scum then

This game seems filled with players that are a pain to read.

Join us on Keyser?

What? Why?

I think you indicated having a scumread on him too earlier

Him saying he didn't roll scum with you.

Yeah.

Creature man why can't you just bus like a normal cheeky scumfuck? You're making this too obvious

idk though, I have about 37,5% to be right and I'm not sure this is worth the risk.

Like, do you expect scum to go "hey i don't post as scum" "i am posting, thus is am town"?

Exactly.

Oh, so you used to play mafia where scum automatically make themselves the most distinct possible from textbook (meh I forgot what was the term) townplay?

Oh yeah, that game where I was afraid to post anything, had to come up with something to satisfy town (including returning to page 1 and pretending to be "catching up") and faking complete ignorance about the setup (hence why I didn't talk about it even when the Math thing was obviously scum).

It's like normal for me to have a low content:spam ratio.

Specially in a game with a low number of players and even lower number of readable players and even lower number of interesting posts to comment on.

I feel like I need to act edgy to get something out of this.

yeah but normally your ISO feels like you give a fuck about solving the game

I usually value realtime interactions first.

I don't feel like calling someone town or scum when it's basically gun-to-my-head.

I don't feel like calling someone town or scum when it's basically gun-to-my-head.

If you feel like you're too heavily under pressure here step back. Neither me nor DrJ are getting anything from talking in circles with you. Go back and solve this sucker and give us something wild.

Nah, I want to see who will hop into this thread.

yeah but normally your ISO feels like you give a fuck about solving the game

I usually value realtime interactions first.

Why are these real time interactions so wolfy then?

because you're too impatient and want my reads immediatelly.

ok so you want real time interactions but won't use the real-time interactions to solve rather than spamming incorrect self-defence meta which has been countered ane you've ignored but also won't eject yourself from the conversation to take a back seat and some independent solving because you want real time interactions with.... someone else? who's on your mind?

Man, I realtime interact the way I want.

Oh, I'll miss my hyperposting times.

Can you See the difference between that game and this game?

It's an old game, but whatever.

the rest is fluffing which i'm happy enough to call NAI but i think in reality is probably faintly scum scented given his overall iso

want me to compare the above to the game you linked? i'm actually in absolute awe you're not even pretending to see the differences

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ctrl+f'd the mighty question mark in his iso, for the purposes of the exercise~~

i know he's aware of the ??? tell so it's not a smoking gun but he does ??? a lot more as scum than town

I'm not gonna answer the questions, I answered before.
just no, I've had enough
sorry

and I'm not gonna answer the bullshit ones

you can listen to that instead

???

i don't even know what he's questioning here
he doesn't actually care about asking a question here

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with the worst

Who did you roll scum with?

fluff question but relaxed tone
for someone who freezes as scum this is also partner indicative
sorry if you're town Keyz

Felt like you were chainlinking mine and Labrat’s lynches.

I’ve seen scum do that recently (Eragon).

I was experiencing those same unsettling feelings.

Who are you talking about?

refer above

we actually just hydra'd in a game, maybe i've learned more from him than i realised?

Learned to misread me like three games a row from him?

question ridiculing my scumread of him without engaging with it
i'm incapable of reading him correctly because i'm buds with sheepsaysmeep
to quote scum!Creature, ???

do it I dare you!

Are they doing it now?

deflection to me asking him to solve/be town if he's town is scum indicative

For the posts about the role pm

???

??? tell lmao
sorry i can't help myself
still, i don't know what he's asking and i don't think he cares about what he's asking

Like, do you expect scum to go "hey i don't post as scum" "i am posting, thus is am town"?

ridiculing scumread on him
tbf this is on the basis of outdated meta which is more town indicative than the rest of his iso
it's still very warm and comfortably within his scumrange

well, just look at this:
viewtopic.php?p=10545905&user_select%5B%5D=27374#p10545905

stungun used the "???" tell to mislynch me on some weird and stupid micro team mafia game. Congrats to him

cognisant of the ??? tell
doesn't really bother me much tho we're lynching him because he's scum and he'll flip red
he was a lot more towny in friemds mafia

Join us on Keyser?

What? Why?

questioning me on a scumread i've been pushing for ages which he's already suggested he's not-town/scumreading
:thonkang:

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this is the ISO of someone who hates playing scum
genuinely enjoys playing town
is gradually getting better at scum
still freezes up a lot

lynch him and put the poor dude out of his misery, he doesn't wanna be here

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p.s. accepting counter-cases to the above or pointers about where i may be wrong

p.p.s. also accepting criticism that i'm overcasing because i'm confirmation biased
but i'm confirmation biased because i'm RIGHT GODDAMNIT so refer p.s.

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Spoiler: my fingers after all the typing

pedit:

We're fighting meanwhile scum are hiding in the shadows

ok if we're all town who's scum then?

pedit 2:

Like volxen who just came here to fart and left

show me what you think was scum indicative or non-town indicative about his posting?
fyi he's my second strongest townread

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also there's 3 scum creature
one third of the entire list is scum
!!!!

work with me we gotta find em all

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I think I've made it pretty clear I can't do much if only a few players are posting so lurking here while the worst goes bananas is a good scum strategy

but this is what you're doing
you're just active lurking

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oh he also beetlejuices slightly more as scum fwiw
but also +1 to ridiculing scumreads on him without engaging with them

like he's very obviously sitting there watching the thread

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We'll, I'm off to bed
Hoping town does the right thing and votes creature

It will flip scum, I'm 99% sure

Lcp


Also @tw what 521 page monstrosity is that?!

Yes, that's why I asked TW about it as well. I don't intend to read all 521 pages of Heroes Wanted, but I feel like reading a portion of it could hopefully help me to understand TW's meta read of Creature. That's why I would like TW to narrow down what portion of that game would be most beneficial to read.

lol this post

why is this wolfy

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Also asking me why a post is scummy is quite funny

this is my serious face friend.
why is that post wolfy?

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just go and write something up for me, it doesn't have to be long. just a thought.
98% of my posting is mobile, it's a rarity for me to be in front of a pc. ^_^

If you like applying my scum meta so much:

I say "yeh I also agree that [copypaste]" as scum a lot like volxen os doing that post

Lefty is also a farter

lefty is flaked LHF, if you think he's a wolf show me

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while i'm on a roll someone talk to me about something with keyser

i'm used to seeing a dude with a badass attitude who doesn't give a fuck how he's perceived. he delivers reads whimsically and wonderfully and rarely looks to be townread by it.
this is what causes people to reactively think he's a wolf, there's like a lack of the logical, blood sweat & tears type of reads you expect to see
this game his reads have been markedly less interesting and nuanced than usual and carry the feel that he's delivering them to get townread rather than advance the game

someone who isn't keyser please engage with me on this (lookin @ u rel)
i've already kinda said more than i wanted to say but it's nibbling on my brain

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just go and write something up for me

awoo! bork bork

ftfy

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l0l
anyways i'm gonna try and sleep

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"creature is not posting reads"

"creature is now posting reads to get townread"

where did i say that second one
you're still not posting reads, at the very least not townreadable reads

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TW, why do you think this is game where I would easily come to reads?

Why don’t you realise that this playerlist has been painful?

Not enjoying = less WHIM

sincerely sorry if I haven't been enjoyable.
it's not your lack of reads or difficulty in having them. it's more like the reads you have had give off the feeling you want to be townread for having them more than the feeling you believe they're solid reads.

your most spoken of read seems to be your absolute stubborn scumread on me (sorry if i inflated it because of my ego tho ) and i didn't get the feeling you actually believed in it all that much :/

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That's OK. I can tell your WIM is low as well, I actually think you're just conducting yourself the way I'd expect you to conduct yourself as a wolf. Dissimilar in the way town!you looks like a wolf and we all love you for it.

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Fair. I guess I try to carry the WIM torch to compensate in micros. I hate when people don't have fun.

wish I was as good as RC at this kinda stuff.

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I mean tbf DrJ has been active and is clearly town
Volxen has been active and I'm pretty sure he's town

the only result of this for me is my reads are directly tiered

{tw}
{DrJ}
{volxy}
{Relly}
{lefty}
{carmen}
{labby}
{keyser}
{crature}

but... yeah okay, we do need more from the middle slots for sure.

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wish I was as good as RC at this kinda stuff.

If you mean tunneling you're already doing good

more meant keeping people engaged tbh
good to know you think I'm doing something right tho

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Have I ever read you correctly though?

you don't have a good record,I'll give you that.
How do I remind you of American presidents except that I am myself?

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Relly look me in the face and tell me you think I'm ever scum here. I'm pretty sure my scumrange died a few pages back.

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wild, I don't mind those reads

how do you feel about
Hell: Creature
Heaven: DrJ
Hell: Keyser
Heaven: Volxen

Confession I'm not 100% sure when the win is triggered but I think this just gets us there

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tw sort labrat and lefty for me

I'm sorry labrat is either town or scum with keyser and keyser's later against her makes him read unaligned with her so like 60% of the time she's town but it's not a great confidence read (she did push some buuuullshit with aggression which I think she would agree with post-game (a la scum!me bahaha))

I think Lefty vibed very slightly more town than scum

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I'm actually kinda curious if the goons got that in their RCs as well or is it just a one-time thing

Did you double check?

The old switcheroo

nice

This is pretty crisp + fwiw reads unaligned with Labby (not a big deal bc I'm starting to think maybe I really was wrong on her but also slightly worth noting imo)

oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting

this is an OK take and like something I don't objectively vibe with but also a pretty abrasive take on rvs site meta which I think comes from town marginally more than it comes from scum (scum probably more concerned with tonality here)

Jesus this site formatting makes phone posting hard

@Soze I’m not sure how serious I should be reading you rn

I buy this for a first reaction to Keyser. Doesn't read unaligned tho

But based on 28 & 29 in succession I’m assuming somewhat serious?

I like the reevaluation of his own question

I understood what you meant lol. I figured as much at the time, but then you followed up with Dr. J/Rat spec so I wasn’t sure. I’m not really interested in arguing the merits of it anyway

How are you reading Dr. J and LabRat independently?

Pushing Keyser for reads out of rvs is indeedy +unaligned and reads towny given his vexation with the phase deadlines

I mean, you already decided they’re not M/M in two pages so why not

This ridicule makes me smile. I like that he's voteparking key as well

oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting

I mean some sites open day 1 by aggressively shitposting which is v v boring

I often carry some reads out of rvs and reality check them later ;>

I shoulda said *this* pg 1. At least in regards to the responses in the RC talk

Soul reads are real, man. I get it

Cognisance of poor page 1 tonality is wild
Otherwise this is maybe buddying vs. nai I guess
Don't think buddying is only scum indicative so take it how you will

Likewise. Over there we have our own resident Aussie who is pretty fun (and cranky)

What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?

Swings game back to focus (I read wolfier out of us two, wonder if he had me pegged for a keyser scumbuddy)
Obviously thinking heavily about Keyser's alignment which is consistent with him being a legit scumread

Might need to play a game over there and make sure this isn't my long lost twin!

as far as Keyser goes, he's not someone I would townread off a derpclear or tone or anything like that. He's tonally smoother than silk, even though I haven't seen his scumgame yet I feel like he'd be very capable of something like that.

pedit: either or both!

You should! We're a fun bunch.

I thought the Okapi thing was funny. Generally I think the hitting-the-ground-running approach is a good thing and the thought process afterwards would be some pretty deep leveling (unless I'm assuming wrongly he was considering DrJ/Lab as *the* team - as in just two goons - or just weighing them as partners in general).

But your note is noted.

What would be something you TR them for?

This is towny

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tw sort labrat and lefty for me

I'm sorry labrat is either town or scum with keyser and keyser's later against her makes him read unaligned with her so like 60% of the time she's town but it's not a great confidence read (she did push some buuuullshit with aggression which I think she would agree with post-game (a la scum!me bahaha))

I think Lefty vibed very slightly more town than scum

this is basically where I'm at, except with lefty's activity falling off a cliff (I think you said it was an NAI activity drop? but still) I can't really justify holding onto a stale townread after the game has gotten so much more complex

QFT it's a stale townread
I did get good energy there so the slot is slightly above null but there's nothing unfakeable, just a couple of positive vibes

It does need filling. C'moooon manateeeee

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Creature if you're town I need a bit of WIM

also lol

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Creature if you're town I need a bit of WIM

You or I?

Sweaty

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Why aren't you and Keyser obviously scum together and given you think the towny players are scum and the scummy players are town, what excluded either or both of you and keyser from being scum?

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I'm probably getting to the point where I feel like I should scumread anyone who scumreads me.

That's a scumtell for you.

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Is this the entirety of your read on volxen or

Spoiler:

so far yes
he considers it a 'fart'

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Keyser is the only one on your wagon I don't townread and I had to torture him into voting you... Who's scum on your wagon? Throw me some reasoning, whose logic doesn't check out?

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Also I'm pretty sure scum are aware of the "oh scum will always townread town!creature", so likely they'd try to break it like this game.

waht.

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good unvote, gonna be busy for a bit but lemme think more

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sup

Eragonna kick some scum butt?

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tell me, has creature obv. towned yet?

That's controversial!! Have a read and tell me what you think

Also for reals TRing the fuck outta me Relly and keys?

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I wouldn't worry about it too much I'm really town this time
How are you w creature?

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busted fuck
Keyser Irrelephant ABORT MISSION

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just have a look at his ISO for me and tell me if his contributions are town or scum ftpov

don't look up my case yer it contains spoilers

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viewtopic.php?p=10547758#p10547758

Comparing my iso stance to yours how do you feel? just curious, I'm starting to wonder if I'm being wrong and Creature is actually willing to be bad town to fix his lopsided meta so genuinely wanna engage w someone about this

I like your reaction post.

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Hm I disliked the start but have liked more lately. Funny.

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he is active lurking but yeah not aggressively inactive

thanks for being the reality check i've been yearning for, i indeed am no longer confident in my ability to read creature. uuRRGGHHH

i feel like within the context of knowing his meta he's transparently playing as scum!creature but like. i'm not 100% sure that's scum indicative anymore.

exhausting.


pedit: eragon please claim your full role and alignment right now thanks

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jfc that's acutally a great copypasta, that game was fun to read
i'm not sure whether to laugh or cry so i'm doing all 3

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It's definitely a succinct introduction to your playstyle. I like it.

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summarise your reads for me? I'm intrigued

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I like hanging out with you too!
Okay get back to me when you're in sync with the balance of the slots. I don't have a strong grip if your stance yet. I think low key I need someone who's experienced creature to tell me if I'm being dumb or not.

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sub outta the mash we're more fun


Jk. have a blast, do what you can on this side.

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quack

I think I agree

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I think some of their pushes have been surface level and opportunistic but not in a way that is pro mislynch if that makes sense. The fluidity of their reads and the timing on how they've shifted between pushes also feels towny. If they're scum they do not give a fuck about appearances which is chilled

I really struggle with Korina's playstyle regularly bc I always find him reach and opportunistic feeling but as town he is jUSt trYING and I kinda have to bend myself into a pretzel to read it correctly without surrendering to my natural bias. but I'm seeing it here more than I usually see it. Lcp has a pretty similar energy wrt jUSt trYING and I've found him like pretty much fine but I'm townreading Korina more atm

lmk if this makes sense, I think we're seeing pretty similar behaviours in the hydra's iso just coming at it from different angles

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One thing, what do you mean “timing between the push”?

The flitting between dog with a bone and just poking and prodding which makes them look like a woofer

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I won't say volxen HAS to be town here, because I will take into account his tryhard-ness and comments he's made about wanting to improve his scumgame, but I think his similarities to his play in the newbie and the difference between this and WW is notable and obvious - not to mention he is game solving mostly un-prompted so far, whereas a lot of the development of his reads in WW came after he was wagoned

the fact that tw also meta-townreads volxen helps confirm, as I think regardless of tw's alignment he'd probably agree that this is very different from the weak scumgame we've seen from volxen, and is very similar to town!volxen as seen elsewhere

Strongly agree with this post and strongly agree with the quoted as well. I was half tempted to push him as scum to see how he reacted (we TvT'd in my first IC game genuinely and by the end of it volxy in particular was v v obvtown) but given the depth of nuance in his reads I don't think I need to

I actually think they're indicative of the trajectory of his improving towngame more so than where I'd expect to see his scumgame improve (i.e. I strongly agree that he believes what he's saying) and would be pretty surprised if he has improved this markedly and in such a surprisingly specific way as scum

He might be my strongest townread following your read here. :0

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I'm at a bit of an impasse. I wanna pressure Eragon bc it's hard to split his reads from lip service to solving but like also... that's probably not going to do anything...

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also I still don't townread Keyser but I think my rage is turning back into endearment and I don't want to lynch him today at all :c

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akshully Era's Creature read is pretty shocking but it doesn't feel as wolfy as I wish it did

Rel rel rel rel what's his theatre game like?

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do you mean "what does eragon faking a read look like?"?

pedit: ok
keyser are you scum

Sure that question is luffly

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ewo, ewo, idk what that question means!

Rel rel rel read my mind pls >':

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yea I think his creature case is more consistent with how town eragon forms reads but the actual content is like... babby no....

@volxy good post gimme a sec.

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actually Era needs to respond to your post, me throwing my weight around would be a waste of time. plus I only weigh as much as a witch

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about as neutral as it should be I think

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about as neutral as it should be I think

So he’s just WIFOM shooting... shouting names for null fun...?

Including his scum read of Volxen + Dr J (two of the most loved slots this game)?

My brain aches because I think having nonsense reads which go against the grain is >rand town but citing meta and calling people bad when you're asked to explain them is >rand wolf (refer: my scumgame)

if he is indeed scum yeah he just yells random names. there isn't a discerbable rhyme or reason to whether or not he would treat a scumbuddy or a townie the way he's treating you I don't think

I can re dive Heroes Wanted or smth to see if it might spew you but his meta is in a state of aggressive flux so like, I don't want to

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I don't think I can scumcase a buddy as well as I cased creature, also fwiw I'm like insanely burned out on bussing so w/e take that how you will

Rel can probably back up from that one newbie game I would rather fight uphill than bus atm, also suss open 730 or whichever one was grey flag by the awesone rurururu

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If there is 24 hours left and a replacement hasn't been found, the game will be paused and extended by 24 hours.

ilu manatee

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TW and Irrelephant - do you town read eachother as highly as eachother?

I have the feeling Relly townreads me more than I townread Relly but I'm.... comfortable.

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Why can’t we be TvS?

I think you are!! that's what that post said <3
there's a manipulative feeling in the keyser=>you interactions which I just can't see in t/t yet

could be wrong but it feels.... weird.......

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farting

this is a really really good post

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I'm starting to wonder if I'm being wrong and Creature is actually willing to be bad town to fix his lopsided meta

Huh? I'm not being bad town.

you're certainly not being good town ergo this is a scumclaim

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stop whinging and play the game more then :p

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stop whinging and play the game more then :p

Sure

(even though I'm the top poster)

You are shitting on the thread
Congrats

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Dude when did you develop an outright attitude problem? This isn't like the you I know as either alignment. You're doing nothing and shitting on players who are playing the game. Get your shit together.

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like Idek if I'm right on you being scum right now but this gamestate is better without your negativity, waste of space posting and the headfuck around whether you AtE this hard while being useless as town

Work with me?

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Creature's finished scumgame, he's even townier than he is here
He's either a wolf or he's literally gamethrowing to fix his lopsided meta which is like.. bannably shit.

I like to think he's a wolf.

Kinda think analysing theatre here makes me want to to revisit Creature/Keyser associatives

if we mislynch and it's policy, good. He can learn not to be shit.

Fyi considering I love a good gaslighting as scum, I do not take kindly to it as town, especially when it is transparently gaslighting with no substance.

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gonna take a little fresh air break but I will happily come back to seeing Creature lynched regardless of his alignment

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Don't care about natural and tonal just want content
You don't strike me as the type of person who tries to be shit as either alignment and you're actually generally someone I really enjoy playing with, it just feels like you're desperate to avoid playing this game regardless of your lip service

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besides you and me convince me on someone who is locktown beyond belief? then we're at a 50% chance of hitting red. convince me on two and were up to 60% and this one's in the bag

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how many pages in your mash

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It's all good man. Sorry for getting snappy earlier.

I'm townreading LCP more than I'm townreading Korina, but I think Korina's contributions are particularly town indicative for him. Hold on I'll see if I can find some succinct ramblings in my iso (I've had wine )

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I think some of their pushes have been surface level and opportunistic but not in a way that is pro mislynch if that makes sense. The fluidity of their reads and the timing on how they've shifted between pushes also feels towny. If they're scum they do not give a fuck about appearances which is chilled

I really struggle with Korina's playstyle regularly bc I always find him reach and opportunistic feeling but as town he is jUSt trYING and I kinda have to bend myself into a pretzel to read it correctly without surrendering to my natural bias. but I'm seeing it here more than I usually see it. Lcp has a pretty similar energy wrt jUSt trYING and I've found him like pretty much fine but I'm townreading Korina more atm

lmk if this makes sense, I think we're seeing pretty similar behaviours in the hydra's iso just coming at it from different angles

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What game/s did you guys play together? What kinda differences are you vibing?

He's been pretty v/la for most of the phase too which is tricky

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Huh weird.... I'm getting pretty similar energy (except like I kinda feel like he was tryna play more professional as Vex). Just like, lower postcount. What struck you as super towny from him in Stack the Deck that he's missing here?

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yeah.. beyond the v/la thing to you think he's actually vibed like low gamesolving energy and stuff? or just v/la?

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Work on another slot? It's sitting in the back of my mind too, but kinda like his contributions so far have been good and his v/la is finite

it's not like tryna sort assembler or something, if we need Korina to spew content and he's still v/la he'll probably be able to sort out a time later I guess

@DrJ

Kor pls confirm
LCP do you guys discord or anything to keep in touch?

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Ya compare Lcp scum meta to this tho
Conventional tells work there, not activity tells tho

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Relly why you townreadin keyser