Mini 2036: Charging Up! - Game Over

[Flavor Leaf]

@RC - is this a reverse of that last game where you replaced in the slot I was voting?

This is actually quite a loaded comment.

But hey all.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma you're better than that. Is that seriously the only reason you're scumreading him?

Gamma you're better than that. Is that seriously the only reason you're scumreading him?

I think it’s a fine reason
And his lack of activity overall concerns me tbh

So I’m not caught up yet, but earlier I was reading the most current pages, and this stood out the most to me.

Why is that not a solid reasoning? If anything, I feel in that scenario it’s expected of TownGamma to push this. Not getting stuff out of your neighbor, force him in main thread.

[Flavor Leaf]

Slimer’s stickin out to me as well, and I don’t necessarily think he’s scummy, but I don’t think he’s town necessarily either.

This being said in conjunction with not liking Kokichi’s comments, I’m uneasy on that NM wagon.

This is me saying this without looking back far enough to really have seen anythig of note from NM, if there is anything of note.

[Flavor Leaf]

He's barely taking in this thread, what makes you think he'll talk in a neighborhood? Him and NM think it's funny to join games and cloud it up by not doing anything and driving pretty close to ruining the game

Oh, neat. Slimer ninja’d me when I was talking about them.

Fair point. I still don’t necessarily oppose Gamma bringing it into thread here.

[Flavor Leaf]

NM playstyle coasts as scum early mid game, but late game, I feel he is easy to catch out. He’ll either not doing anything of note, and others will start seeming more townie, or he’ll start actually posting and pushing a hard scum agenda, sometimes rather convincingly, but nonetheless.

I tend to like looking at wagons regarding him to help read his alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

THIS IS NOT THE SCUM YOURE LOOKING FOR

Just looking back, this guy was hilarious. he was heated and actually said this.

I wanna play with this guy.

[Flavor Leaf]

I reviewed Lady Angel's ISO yet again and she's setting off every alarm on my scumdar

lynch her and then if/when she flips red, lynch RC for hard townreading her

REMEMBER THIS POST IF DS IS LYNCHED AND I AM KILLED

I don’t agree with the RC side, but I understand the Lady A talk. I had been getting some scummy feels from there. Don’t have it in words just yet.

[Flavor Leaf]

The only thing off about RC’s play to me is that he got a little lost this day phase. Lost RC = scumRC. Even if he is way off on his reads, he’s not “lost”. However his day 1 tunnel onto DS is pretty strong townRC. And generally I’m not paranoid of RC, and when I’m not paranoid of him, he’s generally town.

I’m not paranoid of him here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Btw definitely thinking FL is town already

Inb4 I’m hard tunneled by RC. His vote already being on my slot before I came into the game I expected a hard tunnel.

However, when RC tunnels me, that’s generally how I can eventually end up reading him. I recently lost to scumRC with my paranoia feeling, so I feel I’m in a decent position to be able to catch out potential ScumRC.

I’m not feeling that really, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

What does “Lost” mean?

Like “i don’t know where I think scum’s at. Idk who. “This is a good starting point”. How he was earlier his day phase. I feel some people are townie when they have a lot of that kind of post. RC is not. But he didn’t last in that long, so that’s why i don’t think he’s scum because of it, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like don't get me wrong I fully understand why you scumread Slimer but you're dead wrong. He makes posts as bad as the ones he's made in this game constantly as town. He doesn't as scum.
As scum he's a boring 'reasonable' townie like the majority of scum are. LA and Slimer3 are the kind of people who attract a lot of attention because they play differently, but they're not scum.

I realize that GL if town is going to get massive TM flashbacks but my strategy in TM was predicated around the people who had control over the town being older players who -expected- me to be an arrogant asshole with bad reads and who wouldn't expect me to be right on shit and who would actually townread me acting like a stupid fucking shit because that's what their expectations of me were going into it anyway.

So, again:

{RC, Slimer3}
{Manateedude, LA}
{Porkens}
townreads

{Lane, NSG, DS}
pool of people I think are +above average likelihood to be scum

NSG gets a pass because I want her to have absolutely no excuses. I will vote Lane or DS. Not only do I think both are scum I think that they're buddies and a lot of my read on both are buddy reads.

Ah, this is why scum killed NSG. Scum has a player who is familiar with RC, it seems.

This also makes sense why RC would doubt himself for a bit.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let’s see if we can’t get Kokichi in this townbloc too

You’re town reading Kokichi? Even after he was discrediting your reasoning for targeting Porkens?

I’m leaning scum on Kokichi, I think. (I’ve nearly read the entire game now, at least a nice skim through.)

Kokichi/Lady and then I haven’t put my thoughts around enough to figure out who I think would be a third.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ah...man...@Vaxkiller - you’re scum, aren’t you... i don’t wanna deal with ScumVax. That’s just gonna end up hurting my heart.

[Flavor Leaf]

This post by Lady screams to me like scum not threatened at all by a townie who correctly read them, but had flawed cases because, you know, they’re town, and Lady completely brushed everything off, and then goes on to vote DS.

Mm...

[Flavor Leaf]

GL's reads are so bad that he's probably scum for that alone.

Immediately after RC posts this, which further puts Lady in a stronger town seeming place. (I don’t think this was planned by Lady, i just think it happened.)

@RC - after your scum reads have flipped green, does hat make you change your thoughts on GL?

[Flavor Leaf]

Alright, I’ve read back enough now. I went to like page 15-16. I’m not gonna deal with the beginning RVS stuff. I got a handle of how this game is.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let’s see if we can’t get Kokichi in this townbloc too

You’re town reading Kokichi? Even after he was discrediting your reasoning for targeting Porkens?

I’m leaning scum on Kokichi, I think. (I’ve nearly read the entire game now, at least a nice skim through.)

Kokichi/Lady and then I haven’t put my thoughts around enough to figure out who I think would be a third.

Anyway I think that your slot is still very likely scum, but Kokichi is in fact the person I am most sure is scum in this game so if we have common ground we can just lynch there together.

Like you thought DS was scum, and how you always think I’m scum when I’m town?

This is different, though. You were scum reading this slot prior. I just know you’re wrong there. I’m happy to go Kokichi.

[Flavor Leaf]

@RC - is this a reverse of that last game where you replaced in the slot I was voting?

This is actually quite a loaded comment.

But hey all.

I'm not going to fall for this.

Well, that’s good. Didn’t want you trippin over nothing.

[Flavor Leaf]

That NM wagon is seriously stupid

I'm on it and I agree. But no one was doing anything

So you went on a wagon you thought was stupid?

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay. If you thought this and my recent comments are about how lady can be scum. How come you haven't said anything about that?

Why is this a defense? It happened

after

my comments.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t have anything else to say on the matter right now in regards to Lady. I’m discerning if I think you’re bussing or not

[Flavor Leaf]

Aight, y’all have different perspectives from that game.

Idk how relevant that stuff is here. I don’t feel like Kokichi thought he was lying when he said that not do I think RC feels that what Kokichi said was true, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

*yawn*

[Flavor Leaf]

Aight, y’all have different perspectives from that game.

Idk how relevant that stuff is here. I don’t feel like Kokichi thought he was lying when he said that not do I think RC feels that what Kokichi said was true, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nor do*

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok well you agree that he's scum so why are you being so standoffish about it if you aren't scum paying lip service to being willing to vote him while actually not being?

Because you make him seem townier, and I wanted to see more of him talking about Lady to see if it was bussing or not.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok well you agree that he's scum so why are you being so standoffish about it if you aren't scum paying lip service to being willing to vote him while actually not being?

And you aren’t voting him either.

I haven’t laid a single vote yet. Not my style until it is.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok you're scumbuddies then good to know

Lol, had I voted you’d be like “oh, he’s bussing!” Classic.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok you're scumbuddies then good to know

This is just how you react to anyone not playing the way you like them to play. People who disagree are scum to you, or bad town, even though your scum list is 0 for 3, and is why scum is sitting back and letting you do the mislynches.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because I am on VLA until the 23rd and even sort or beyond that but I'll come in hard against kokichi then

I mean presumably if my reads entail that yeah

But you just called him scum when there was no pressure against the slot but the moment I come in and say he's scum you back off and say that I'm 'makint him look townier'

I’m waiting for stuff. I don’t understand how you haven’t grasped how I play yet. I don’t scum read him for the same reason, and I think scum can be townie. Me saying you are TownUnah him up doesn’t mean I don’t scum lean there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I literally made like one or two comments against Kokichi prior to anything, then I gave a little shade afterwards. What was there for me to back off on?

You guys were arguing irrelevant things, and I made sure to tell you both that none of it mattered here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I was correct on my D1 Poe last game

You're just critical of it because you were in it after you voted the obvious cop

What does last game have to do with this game?

And you were WRONG on me there anyways...

You have already been proven to be incorrect with your reads thus far. It happens. I’ve seen you with flat out incorrect reads multiple times. It happens. You just gotta learn when it’s happening to not get stuck with it.

I go over every possibility, that’s why I got killed last game.

[Flavor Leaf]

What you did was discredit my scumread on someone you had called scum

If/when kokichi flips scum you have to die

What did I discredit? You didn’t have any of the credit with the case you made before.

My like one or two posts calling Kokichi’s postings off and not liking the way he spoke to Gamma is stronger than the case you made.

I’ll discredit people’s scum cases if they’re cases aren’t the ones that should be getting pushed. that’s how you get into the lull’s when people don’t follow you.

[Flavor Leaf]

You lynched someone I had as 100% town

Shh

And you’ve done the same vice versa. Even gone a step further and called scum 100% town in games before where I had to push them as scum. We’ve really gone both ways a lot with it, you only stick to the most recent good game of yours every time

[Flavor Leaf]

@Kokichi - Talk to me about Lady. Can i get a reads list from you?

[Flavor Leaf]

What you did was discredit my scumread on someone you had called scum

If/when kokichi flips scum you have to die

Even though your vote’s on me already instead of Kokichi.

[Flavor Leaf]

viewtopic.php?p=9917178#p9917178

I couldn’t find 100% town, but i found this.

I mixed it in with you saying I’m 100% scum all the time when I’m town, I guess.

Also, i just wanted to point out this one too

viewtopic.php?p=9917091#p9917091

That’s you commenting on how I’m scum for calling an argument between Ducky and Impede for being SvS, and they ended up being SvS. Haha.

That was a fun game. We had a long argument there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I could probably search for stuff closer to what I said being said, but we’ve had a lot of games where we dominate the majority of the game, and it’s a lot to look through.

@Lion - no one’s arguing that RC is scum here, I don’t think.

Kokichi might be, by Kokichi’s likely scum with Lady.

Your lady posting is why I lean town for you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Right. Exactly. You looked to change your viewpoints, and look what happened. We hit scum!

[Flavor Leaf]

@GL - what is RC saying about Lane + Flavor Leaf? Go on.

[Flavor Leaf]

@GL - you realize my proposed scum team right now is Kokichi and LA, right?

@RC - this guy’s pandering to you. ^ do you see it as townLion or scumLion? I’ve never played with him before. This matters because he’s in my head connected to Lady, so I could see him as a buddy for Kokichi if Lady is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I did read backwards yes. I spent the majority of time going over the ending of Day 1, and looking into posts.

I didn’t do anything else in that time period, so i was able to get through it pretty fast.

I tend to do really well with reads when I replace in. It really wasn’t that much. 15-20 pages. I didn’t really feel it was necessary to go further.

A lot of my real time stuff I go back and check then reply, which helped me get into the game.

I get into games better with real time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Slimer’s stickin out to me as well, and I don’t necessarily think he’s scummy, but I don’t think he’s town necessarily either.

This being said in conjunction with not liking Kokichi’s comments, I’m uneasy on that NM wagon.

This is me saying this without looking back far enough to really have seen anythig of note from NM, if there is anything of note.

this post in general also just feels super scummy

-waffley non-read in the first sentence

-avoids taking a stance on NM wagon but still manages to subtly shade on NM with final thought

If I’m scummy sounding, I’m town.
If I’m townie sounding, I’m scum.

Ask Gamma.

How is that not taking a stance on NM wagon. I was clearly not liking it.

This is fluff and pandering you’re doing because you think RC has momentum over me.

Clearly have zero experience with me.

FoS: Guilty

VOTE: Kokichi

I wanna see how Guilty reacts to this.

[Flavor Leaf]

This matters because he’s in my head connected to Lady, so I could see him as a buddy for Kokichi if Lady is town.

if Lady is town, why does that make me scum

and why would Lady being town change any associatives between me and Kokichi?

like this reasoning may have made sense if there were only 5 players left in the game or something, but there are currently a ton of other slots as well and it's odd that you immediately start suspecting me for adding to scumreads on your slot

Because your chainsawing the incoming Kokichi wagon. Like pretty hard.

I’ve been stating Lady and Kokichi were my two lean scums, and then you came in here saying i was partners with them, yet goes after me LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

You also stated you just finished reading Day 2, so that was just fluff and crap. You knew where you wanted to go BEFORE reading and coming up, and it showed with this terriblepush of yours.

[Flavor Leaf]

This matters because he’s in my head connected to Lady, so I could see him as a buddy for Kokichi if Lady is town.

if Lady is town, why does that make me scum

and why would Lady being town change any associatives between me and Kokichi?

like this reasoning may have made sense if there were only 5 players left in the game or something, but there are currently a ton of other slots as well and it's odd that you immediately start suspecting me for adding to scumreads on your slot

What do you mean adding? I believe the only other person scum reading me is RC, and he knows I’m not scum, he just doesn’t agree with my playstyle so he convinces himself that it’s scum. He knows deep down already that i’m town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Clearly have zero experience with me.

Yes, I do not have any experience with you. Why does that matter?

Like, especially if I'm misreading you - then that makes me town. If I were scum and you were town, then I'd

know

you were town and my experience with you wouldn't matter at all

I wanna see how Guilty reacts to this.

what do you want to see?

Lol, it matters. Had you had experience with me, that question wouldn’t exist.

That second sentence is irrelevant, and also incorrect. Sure, you know I’m town, but scum needs to know how I am too. I’m a flip flopped, gambit puller, hammerer, and usually have some pretty kickass reads, especially late game. I’m a late game town powerhouse unless I got pocketed somewhere.

Some people say that if I haven’t had good reads and I’m still here in game, lynch me, I’m scum.

To be fair, games I’m in with RC are skewed because I have to put a lot of effort in arguinghim, and we’re generally TvT, but I’ve been getting better when I notice RC’s reads were off.

We didn’t really argue last game much RC, even though you scum read me. I understood it more last game, tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

You also stated you just finished reading Day 2, so that was just fluff and crap. You knew where you wanted to go BEFORE reading and coming up, and it showed with this terriblepush of yours.

I read up, and knew that I wanted to start pushing on you. I never pretended otherwise

Exactly. This was a planned thing. Thanks for the scum claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Now bus your buddy, Lion. You were pushing him as my partner anyways, right?

With Lady A?

LOLOL.

[Flavor Leaf]

Literally you’re just responding. You’ve said nothing about your read, just that it’s there. It’s fabricated.

[Flavor Leaf]

You saw arguing and chose to hide behind RC’s side because you thought he was the louder one. Simple. You were trying to hide behind the arguing betwixt Myself and RC, which Kokichi was involved in, yet you threw your buddy, Kokichi to the side while mentioning that Lady and Myself were scum, potentially with your buddy, Kokichi.

You said you read up, so you would have known I was consistently wanting to push for Lady, which was a big point of the RC vs Flavor argument. You pushed that aside.

You’re fabricated a case and you have literally nothing but NAI stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't see anything but a desire to string up kokichi

If that wagon gets momentum I'll start addressing other reads

You done sitting back watching this guy hide behind you?

Imma give him the good ‘ol Third Degree Boon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Clearly have zero experience with me.

Yes, I do not have any experience with you. Why does that matter?

Like, especially if I'm misreading you - then that makes me town. If I were scum and you were town, then I'd

know

you were town and my experience with you wouldn't matter at all

I wanna see how Guilty reacts to this.

what do you want to see?

Piggybacking on this, scum playing with TownMe need more experience than Town playing with Town me. I’m rather strong at eventually proving that I’m town. Scum generally are unsure at how to interact with me, because I’ll go after them, and i flip flop from town reading to scum reading them, and I’ll gambit. Sometimes I’ll claim 4 or 5 different roles, and get town read forit. Scum have no clue how to deal with that.

And you have no clue how to deal with me, haha. You’re caught out scum. You’re a lion who thought he was jumping at just a single hippo calf, but you made a mistake. I’m the giant elephant in the room, and you lion, gonna get got.

Now vote your buddy with me.

[Flavor Leaf]

see but you're dodging the point

You're trying to have it both ways with respect to how you're talking to me and my alignment. You're defending yourself with meta and suggesting that because I have no experience with you, I am reading you wrong. That implies a level of townreading my slot - if I'm scum and you're town it literally does not matter at all that I have no experience with you, because my push would be fabricated to begin with.

also it's not scummy at all to have reads before posting after catching up. Like that's how I always catch up in every game as town, I can quote a billion examples. Literally in my first post today I said I think you're really scummy.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

also all the "LOLOLOL"s and fake bravado is scum-indicative - your angle is to discredit and mockingly dismiss arguments instead of taking the time to show why they're wrong. and now you're just straight up writing narratives for my play.

Fake bravado?

I have the biggest ego on site.

[Flavor Leaf]

That entire thing is a complete misrep. I clearly stated that I believe SCUM needs more experience with me than town does.

VOTE: Guilty Lion

Let’s do this.

I can link all my self meta defenses if you want.

That’s my go to for either alignment. You’re pushing solely NAI, if not townier things on my side.

I did realize I posted it in my post right there, so you didn’t completely misrep.

[Flavor Leaf]

But you are fabricating.

And you claimed I was scum with the two people I was pushing.

[Flavor Leaf]

This matters because he’s in my head connected to Lady, so I could see him as a buddy for Kokichi if Lady is town.

if Lady is town, why does that make me scum

and why would Lady being town change any associatives between me and Kokichi?

like this reasoning may have made sense if there were only 5 players left in the game or something, but there are currently a ton of other slots as well and it's odd that you immediately start suspecting me for adding to scumreads on your slot

Back to this, scum who don’t know me, go after me because they think I’m mislynch bait for some reason, when I don’t really get lynched too often.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also which arguments did I dismiss? I don’t remember you making any arguments for me to dismiss.

[Flavor Leaf]

And you have no clue how to deal with me, haha. You’re caught out scum. You’re a lion who thought he was jumping at just a single hippo calf, but you made a mistake. I’m the giant elephant in the room, and you lion, gonna get got.

if I'm scum and I don't know how to deal with you, why do I open by pushing on you - a complete unknown - when it would have been entirely easy and consistent to pick up my LA push from D1? I even indicated that I wanted to do so prior to reading D2 in my 844. What makes you say you seem like mislynch bait - did you think your intro posts were mislynch baity?

you're also putting far more weight into my scumreads as associatives than I am, or meant to imply. I'm not so arrogant as to assume that I can nail a 3p scumteam on D2 of a 13p game. I'm extremely likely wrong on either LA or Kokichi and I'm honestly not sure which, I'd rather just sheep RC and push the scummy as hell player who seems to be intentionally trying to WIFOM both of the other slots.

This is a crap argument. Because I’m unknown? No, you don’t know me, I’m not some random player here. You pushed this because you thought me as a player would be a mislynch bait to you. You not knowing me had nothing to do with that. It had everything to do with the way ScumYou is going way over your head with this.

Why is that scummy to do? WIFOM is my favorite thing about mafia. I literally make statements about wanting to WIFOM the scum in the majority of my games. My entire playstyle is basically WIFOM

I created a game series, The BooneyToonz games, based on setups that maximize WIFOM basically.

That’s inherently scummy to push what you perceive as flawed town play. I make a living here by proving people incorrect.

[Flavor Leaf]

Now I feel like you’re backing off from a 1v1 with me.

My playstyle generally I search by basing off of possible agendas that people are potentially pushing

[Flavor Leaf]

well I'm about to head out for the night so I don't have time to actually do my long promised LA case, and also a Kokichi wagon is more productive atm than yet another day of vanity voting LA

-.- you realize that Lady was literally who I was trying to get more thoughts about this entire time...right?

VOTE: Kokichi

[Flavor Leaf]

Kokichi’s likely scum with Lady.

Literally worst read this game

yet you just laid a town read on a person who was tying you two and myself together.

[Flavor Leaf]

also all the "LOLOLOL"s and fake bravado is scum-indicative - your angle is to discredit and mockingly dismiss arguments instead of taking the time to show why they're wrong. and now you're just straight up writing narratives for my play.

^

Flavor leaf

This is scummy on your part because you know how ego centric town I can be.

[Flavor Leaf]

also all the "LOLOLOL"s and fake bravado is scum-indicative - your angle is to discredit and mockingly dismiss arguments instead of taking the time to show why they're wrong. and now you're just straight up writing narratives for my play.

^

Flavor leaf

This is scummy on your part because you know how ego centric town I can be.

If that was coming from ScumLeaf, everyone would KNOW that bravado ain’t false. I’m cocky with my scum game. Hell, I’m cocky with my town game. What false bravado would there ever be regarding me.

I’m the guy who’s profile pictures are Kuzco, Lip from Shameless, and Light from Death Note...talk about arrogance when it comes to intelligence, and this is being stated as false bravado.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fair note, Kokichi only scum reads me when he’s scum and I’m pushing him as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fair note, Kokichi only scum reads me when he’s scum and I’m pushing him as scum.

LOL what is this fake meta

We literally just finished a game where this happened. You rarely ever, if ever, have targeted me like this when you’re town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok. VOTE: kokichi

Lol let's lynch one of the people who didnt vote obvious town

What is this self vote.

I didn’t vote, my predecessor did.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fair note, Kokichi only scum reads me when he’s scum and I’m pushing him as scum.

Fair note, Kokichi only scum reads me when he’s scum and I’m pushing him as scum.

LOL what is this fake meta

Got any games where this is the case? Like even one


@ninja'd Leaf: Which one?

viewtopic.php?p=10478035#p10478035

Game didn’t finish, but it was shut down. This is what was specifically happening at the end of the game, and I specifically stated post game that “that is why Kokichi was going after me” and when I realized he only does that as scum. Also, side cocky note again, i was double voter with my two votes on the remaining scum, haha. I won’t act like i had those reads necessarily, though

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont care who the person is I push on people who are scummy. Even when I'm scum I push on people who are scummy unbiasly even if they are my partner. So acting like you know me when we played maybe 1 or 2 games together is awful

What are you talking about. I’ve played much more games with you than that...and I’ve modded at least one with you. Yeah, that game you all had those accounts for, that was my large game I modded. I know you, Kokichi, haha

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok. VOTE: kokichi

Lol let's lynch one of the people who didnt vote obvious town

What is this self vote.

I didn’t vote, my predecessor did.

What does that have to do with your slot not being just scum?

Because I know my predecessor was town doesn’t mean a thing to me that he was on the wagon, because i don’t have to deal with analyzing it. I already know he did it from a town perspective

[Flavor Leaf]

Also that game he posted. I clearly thought he was my traitor. Which I posted post game. Which continues my meta of pushing on people who I think are scummy

This also proves that you find my TOWN play scummy, which fits into MY META

[Flavor Leaf]

and I’ve modded at least one with you.

I've never modded a game

I’VE, as in me. I have modded a game with you in it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh but I just remembered I was in a game you modded. You are boony correct?

Yes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also that game he posted. I clearly thought he was my traitor. Which I posted post game. Which continues my meta of pushing on people who I think are scummy

This also proves that you find my TOWN play scummy, which fits into MY META

Then what does that have to do with you thinking I'm scum? If it's me still scumhunting. Even if I was scum, I had to scumhunt for my traitor that game.

Well, you’re wrong on me. Should feel from that game that I’m similar then, and that I’m town.

Also, you pushed me for reasons that you town read GL for. The hypocrisy is what did it for me big there.

[Flavor Leaf]

What do you think my reasons are for townreading GL? Because I never posted why

That’s irrelevant because I’m focusing on the scumpush on me when those exact things were also brought up by GL in regards to pairing you and LA, he just had me in there as well, which he now turned upon and then voted you.
This means his scum reads are the same as mine.

He might be scum who backed off of 1v1’ing me, but I’m willing to ignore that for the potential that if he’s town, we’ll hit scum, if he’s scum, he’ll out more juicy tells for associations. And if anything, depending on how he pushes you, can tell me if he’s busing you.

[Flavor Leaf]

You keep slipping around my reasoning like a snake on a tree!!!!!

[Flavor Leaf]

Could be wrong here (working with limited data) but I think leaf might be scum. In the games hes scum from what I've seen, he tends to like bringing up meta as a reason to push lynches. However in town games, it becomes an iso ingame get reach

I’ve done my isoing a lot in my catchup. My iso’ing is when I start to hardcore game solve, and I’m not quite there yet.

To be fair, go check some of the games I’ve been heated as town, or in 1v1’s and being scum read.

Fro99er and I have a hydra named Self Meta.

[Flavor Leaf]

Could be wrong here (working with limited data) but I think leaf might be scum. In the games hes scum from what I've seen, he tends to like bringing up meta as a reason to push lynches. However in town games, it becomes an iso ingame get reach

I’ve done my isoing a lot in my catchup. My iso’ing is when I start to hardcore game solve, and I’m not quite there yet.

To be fair, go check some of the games I’ve been heated as town, or in 1v1’s and being scum read.

Fro99er and I have a hydra named Self Meta.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Did not like that entrance one bit, nor the fight with GuiltyLion.

And the chainsaw by Lady to save Kokichi buddy.

@GL - case that Lady, ill deal with Kokichi.

[Flavor Leaf]

Could be wrong here (working with limited data) but I think leaf might be scum. In the games hes scum from what I've seen, he tends to like bringing up meta as a reason to push lynches. However in town games, it becomes an iso ingame get reach

Just give me some time to deal with these 1v1’s and I’ll get to game solvey mode when something clicks in my head.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've also read that you're more analytical in this body, so I dont want to taint this meta with your other accounts. But I've taken a look at a few more games and it just seems to confirm this theory

Fair. I see why. I don’t know what else to say to that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I’m getting worked up. I’m gonna step away for a bit.

[Flavor Leaf]

How many of those games was I worked up town in?

[Flavor Leaf]

What you did was discredit my scumread on someone you had called scum

If/when kokichi flips scum you have to die

Even though your vote’s on me already instead of Kokichi.

This, unfortunately, is not indicative of RC being scum

I never said I thought RC was scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: lane

lol I thought flavor leaf replaced him

I did. It was a mishap on the vote counter because I’m assuming it’s automatic and the lane votes were never unvoted nor had RC changed.

[Flavor Leaf]

actually fuck it
i'm not posting here until the 23rd at least besides to prod dodge
make content for me to analyze before I get back

@LA I think you're town and I want to full commit to protecting you but I'm not gonna do that unless you're doing stuff to make you worth committing to keeping alive.

Nobody’s really even trying to kill off LA right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

actually fuck it
i'm not posting here until the 23rd at least besides to prod dodge
make content for me to analyze before I get back

@LA I think you're town and I want to full commit to protecting you but I'm not gonna do that unless you're doing stuff to make you worth committing to keeping alive.

Nobody’s really even trying to kill off LA right now.

Although KO/LA scum team seeming likely based on that wagon analysis.

[Flavor Leaf]

Has Get Your Own Back done anything besides post about how good they are?

Is this mev

[Flavor Leaf]

Me?

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would that be you?

Anytime someone brings up that narcisismist I tend to follow suit.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t know if it’s a town slip, but i definitely think manatee thought lane and i originally were the same slot, then the vote count mishap made him think otherwise.

Regardless, unless you think that was planned, Manatee and I are not at all likely to be scum together, haha

[Flavor Leaf]

On the note of manatee, I’m leaning towards Manatee town from it like Vax.

I would have said confirmed Manatee and I not scum together, but people don’t like when i throw the word confirmed around.

[Flavor Leaf]

Me leaf rc and him are the 4 scum

Calling it now, there’s 2 scum on this list.

[Flavor Leaf]

So let’s bus Kokichi and whoever his partner is. I’m town reading RC, know it’s not me, and don’t necessarily think slimer is scummy...

But i want Kokichi.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’m still going back and forth on my Lion read. I’m waiting for him to make that Lady case he was talking about because I don’t really understand Lady. Gut says Lady’s scum

[Flavor Leaf]

MS ate this post without telling me:

Reads list:
Myself
Slimer
Gamma
RC

Manateedude
Vaxkiller

Kokichi
GuiltyLion
Flavour Leaf
Porkens
Not_Mafia

Quick Reads list, I would've posted this sooner but the site ate it. I feel like the NSG kill was meant to frame RC rather than actually coming from RC, as having both his top two scumreads flip town back to back is a little too suspicious. I don't like Kokichi's self-vote at all, he wasn't anywhere near being hammered and it felt really defeatist, despite the very low amount of real pressure on him. GuiltyLion's case on me was pretty solid, but I wonder why he's so hesitant to actually vote me. That's not too far off what he claims I'm doing, does he not think he can actually lead a lynch on me? The other three are just gut feelings or inactive players, so I guess they're not too important.

@GuiltyLion

What's wrong with voting whichever of your scumreads is looking like the most likely rather than sticking to one player all day?

RC made a post where his scum reads were Lane, NSG, DS.

I feel like NSG died so RC would tunnel my slot or get tunneled himself for scum reading 2 townies.

Why did I move up on that? You were/are voting me, shouldnt I be on the bottom?

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m going to take a look into that GL post in a little bit.

[Flavor Leaf]

shading Gamma over the Porkens neighborhood push

How did I shade him? All I said was that wasnt a good reason to only push on someone. Especially when someone like him always lurks

I felt like it was a decent path to take. If anything it puts pressure into Porkens, and Gamma gets what he wanted, and I think that’s townie even. I thought it was a solid reason to bring up.

[Flavor Leaf]

as for my vote on Kokichi - he is also lacking in making any serious pushes or good votes, especially now that he's come under fire. I also agree him shading Gamma over the Porkens neighborhood push was poor posting, looked like an attempt to WK Porkens and throw mud at Gamma rather than serving a townie help figure out reads and sort players. and anyone who self-votes at any point can die in my book.

I like this. +1

[Flavor Leaf]

Good LA case. I felt like her response was challenging GL in a “sure, you’re right about me being scum, but what’re you gonna do about it?” kind of way.

I feel like LA has been playing in a way where she gets RC to fight for her or defend her, which is why she’s wheeling him consistently, talking about him moreso than NSG, like GL mentioned. RC, you’re being buddied pretty hard.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, notice how Kokichi is on her scum reads list, but at the very top. There’s even apparently 5 scum reads she has. And yet, two of her middle tier scum reads are voting another scum read of hers, and that doesn’t mean a thing to her.

The Porkens/NM are on Slimer, one of her higher town reads, so that correlates.

But she talks about the “most likely” and that’s why her vote is there, yet the vote count has everyone at 2, including two of her other scum reads. She’s just buddying up to RC with that again.

[Flavor Leaf]

3/4 people with wagons right now are on Lady’s scum list.

[Flavor Leaf]

shading Gamma over the Porkens neighborhood push

How did I shade him? All I said was that wasnt a good reason to only push on someone. Especially when someone like him always lurks

I felt like it was a decent path to take. If anything it puts pressure into Porkens, and Gamma gets what he wanted, and I think that’s townie even. I thought it was a solid reason to bring up.

I get what I wanted? What do you think I wanted?

Pressure on Porkens? To help further your read?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Lady - yeah, but who’s trying to frame RC? I don’t think anyone has pushed RC.

[Flavor Leaf]

Leave LA alone

You could say that she's an angel

Sure, but she’s a red angel who’s hard pocketed you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m bout to just sheep Not Mafia and call for Double Dare to be lynched.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Lady - yeah, but who’s trying to frame RC? I don’t think anyone has pushed RC.

If a scumteam has the goal of killing the most active players, RC seems like a pretty natural person to frame.

That is, however, a big if, and past that I have no idea. Possibly just taking an opportunity and trying to run with it?

Alternately, the kill was not connected to RC in any way and just someone dying night 1 due to a possibly strong towngame/potentially good role/even a random kill. I just don't think it's likely that RC actually killed her himself.

You’re arguing with nothing. No one has really argued that RC would make that kill. I’ve even said I think RC is town meaning I don’t think he makes that kill, especially because it brings to light he had very in accurate reads, and narrows who he can push.

You made the comment of RC not being likely to make that kill but being framed to have made that kill? No. Just no. That in itself is a reason to NOT want to frame RC in that way.

You’re arguing my point, but in a scenario that shouldn’t be even thought of right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also scum probably thought we'd find each other at some point

You’ve been quiet on reads for a bit. Who’s scum to you? Besides me.

[Flavor Leaf]

And no, I'm not taking his word on it. I looked at how RC was acting at his peak of trying to lynch NSG and it matched up well with how RC tried to lynch a scum MathBlade in Lynch the wolves, right down to the frustration at not being listened to. Simply put, regardless of RC's level of read proficiency, his reaction and attempt to push her indicate that he was extremely confident in it. Does that mean it's right? No, it could be a mislynch or a scum push, but so far, from what I've seen of RC, that level of confidence seems difficult to engineer. And were it to flip town, I would be very glad to lynch RC tomorrow.

Actually I do have a question for you LA.

If that level of confidence is difficult for me to engineer, then doesn't NSG flipping town make me, like, wrong? If I couldn't adequately fake that 100% surety Scum V Town then...

Yeah, I was going to go into today thinking one of you was scum... and then NSG flipped town. Granted, I could be wrong and you could have faked it, but I feel like that'd be difficult to fake for anyone, especially since the cooldown felt genuine. I haven't been able to find any other games where you got even close to that angry, either, so I'm going to write it off for now and write the lynch the wolves thing as something to do with MathBlade as opposed to any sort of tell for you.

also to solely define my gameplay by the intellectual level is silly because I am a person who abides by my feelings. regardless of what I thought of her play I didn't lynch NSG yesterday and given that I had no experience of feeling like I was being stabbed when I correctly lynched NSG as scum it's not as if her being town didn't stop me from lynching her, if you think of it like that.

This is fair.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Not mafia seems to solely exist to prod dodge or otherwise place one vote and leave (Including, as of his most recent post, voting for someone that isn't even in this game...). Porkens has also done effectively nothing and I'd be fine with his lynch too, but Not Mafia's probably more egregious.

UNVOTE:
This wagon picked up steam suspiciously fast.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Not_Mafia

Hmm...

[Flavor Leaf]

Starting to feel like NM's double dare shit + the 'open troll vote' on me come from scum

Like I expect more in terms of actually pushing some sort of win condition if he was actually town, this game he just feels like he's trolling

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Not_Mafia

Hmm....

Both times this came after RC made a comment towards NM being potentially scum rather than trolling, but the first one was derailed because of a fast wagon, yet nothing ever came of it past that.

[Flavor Leaf]

The first post with RC was talking about NSG, but LA still chose to pivot the conversation after directly agreeing with RC and then made their case.

[Flavor Leaf]

If NM is town, this would be the time that scum pushes him after the double dare trolling thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, nobody knows who he’s talking about

[Flavor Leaf]

He doesnt even know what hes talking about. Also FL, you pulled that info from LA from like 2 different gamestates

Why does this matter? It’s a pattern of the buddying up to RC. That part of the gamestate didn’t change one bit.

[Flavor Leaf]

He doesnt even know what hes talking about. Also FL, you pulled that info from LA from like 2 different gamestates

Why does this matter? It’s a pattern of the buddying up to RC. That part of the gamestate didn’t change one bit.

If anything, this proves my point even more, that throughout the game, that takes precendence with Lady.

[Flavor Leaf]

Starting to feel like NM's double dare shit + the 'open troll vote' on me come from scum

Like I expect more in terms of actually pushing some sort of win condition if he was actually town, this game he just feels like he's trolling

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Not_Mafia

Hmm....

Both times this came after RC made a comment towards NM being potentially scum rather than trolling, but the first one was derailed because of a fast wagon, yet nothing ever came of it past that.

Pardon me for being annoyed with a troll who's doing absolutely nothing?

Solid. So you admit you think he’s just a troll and not scum. Good info to have.

[Flavor Leaf]

Starting to feel like NM's double dare shit + the 'open troll vote' on me come from scum

Like I expect more in terms of actually pushing some sort of win condition if he was actually town, this game he just feels like he's trolling

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Not_Mafia

Hmm....

Both times this came after RC made a comment towards NM being potentially scum rather than trolling, but the first one was derailed because of a fast wagon, yet nothing ever came of it past that.

Pardon me for being annoyed with a troll who's doing absolutely nothing?

Solid. So you admit you think he’s just a troll and not scum. Good info to have.

You're reaching

Didn’t have to. Lady threw it right at me.

[Flavor Leaf]

What about me? I think hes trolling and I'm advocating for his lynch

Your push for a policy lynch is duly noted.

I don’t see Lady as scum pushing for a policy lynch. I see her pushing a mislynch behind the cover of it being a policy lynch/lynching a troll-antitown player.

Lady waiting for RC to express interest before going that way.

[Flavor Leaf]

What about me? I think hes trolling and I'm advocating for his lynch

Your push for a policy lynch is duly noted.

I don’t see Lady as scum pushing for a policy lynch. I see her pushing a mislynch behind the cover of it being a policy lynch/lynching a troll-antitown player.

Lady waiting for RC to express interest before going that way.

So you admit he's antitown but still think that scum!me would try to lynch an antitown player when I could hide behind said antitown player until he gets lynched instead?

His wagon wasn’t picking up. You can’t expect him TO get lynched here. It’s only picking up now because RC expresses interest and you chose to help it along.

Yes, scum WOULD push antitown. Not all scum, sure, but scum would definitely jump on this rather than letting it go through elsewise. There’s more than one scum member.

[Flavor Leaf]

Kokichi is coasting right now. Now he’s the only one not voting too. He’s playing the waiting game.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: LA

Still the best vote for today I think

What do you mean

still

? You have barely said anything about Lady.

[Flavor Leaf]

Kokichi’s likely scum with Lady.

Literally worst read this game

@Kokichi - Talk to me about Lady. Can i get a reads list from you?

I quoted the lady reason and just posted another. In terms if reads I think GL and RC are town

You haven’t said anything about Lady since these posts, where you called my read on you and Lady being scum the worst read of the game, where if you thought Lady was scum, then that wouldn’t be have been true.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lady why didnt you point out the fact that I voted the wagon you were leading on despite me saying you were scum? Instead you stated the wagon picked up "too much steam" when only me and 1 other person voted NM

Not a fan of DS's first post but more because it's arrogant than actually scummy, DS seems fairly towny to me otherwise.

Also this is lol

LA vote is placeholder for now. GL is my tr and he scumreads her and she was on the DS wagon

VOTE: lady angel

Okay, so i found some from before I was in the game. Hmm.

You stated Lady was a placeholder vote for now. Is that no longer the case?

[Flavor Leaf]

What has she done to make her town since then?

Hmm. I don’t think anything. If anything, she’s more scummy, but I still get the feeling you’re bussing because I was starting to focus on you more again. So it’s distancing.

If NM was scum, and LA was town, ScumKokichi focusing Lady is a strong deflection move to get pressure off NM and you.

[Flavor Leaf]

@GL - what do you think of Kokichi going after LA right now? I’m starting to think they aren’t partners, but that’s why I’m also continuing to believe they are...if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

Asking GL specifically because he’s the other person with that same read as I have.

[Flavor Leaf]

TMI townread me and DS hard

Also the shade on Gamma for the Porkens neighbor comment, and the Lady bussing.

[Flavor Leaf]

lady isn't scum lay the fuck off

You’re just pocketed hard. She’s been setting that up from the beginning.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe not exactly the beginning, but from prior too me being in the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

What makes Kokichi scum if you can't think of any of his posts?

It doesnt. Im more or less calling RC out on us both being scum: I don't care if Kokichi dies. On a related note, I find it bothersome that most ppl seem to be town reading RC, but RC is going after Kokichi for that same reason.

Also I rather like GL thoughts on you, and could totally lynch u.

What makes Kokichi scum if you can't think of any of his posts?

It doesnt. Im more or less calling RC out on us both being scum: I don't care if Kokichi dies. On a related note, I find it bothersome that most ppl seem to be town reading RC, but RC is going after Kokichi for that same reason.

Also I rather like GL thoughts on you, and could totally lynch u.

ur misunderstanding

kokichi never hard townreads me as town but the last time I rolled town with him as scum he decided to give me a free townread to not have to deal with me and it feels like the same thing here
I don't think that kokichi is scum simply for having me as town, i find it amazing and strange that I'm townread this game but i'll take it, I think he's scum because this feels like his scum game

Well, scum is deciding to town read you because you’re being pocketed by one of them, and the other is what you just stated in Kokichi. :shrug:

You’re pushing my lynch, I’m on your side. I just don’t want you to forget that you’re probably wrong with your Lady read.

[Flavor Leaf]

Didn’t mean to quote Vax’s

[Flavor Leaf]

Technically RC is voting me, not you, so Vax isn’t voting with RC.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, the Slimer-Double Dare feud is quite enjoyable.

I also like the idea proposed by Slimer that he wants to lynch himself

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, Vax, you’re coming off as scummy to me too, so i don’t blame Gamma for pushing you. But my gut is saying you’re just town being scummy, so I really don’t know what else to say about your slot.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess call it too scummy to be scum reasoning, but hey, that’s how I feel. It’s enough for me not to put the effort into it at this moment.

[Flavor Leaf]

Speaking of scummy, oh my god, reading Kokichi’s posts hurt me so much because he’s so scummy
Lady, give me your thoughts on Kokichi, please.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hm...
Trying to think about whether this and Porken’s claim of blocked n1 help confirm each other
Who would be at risk from those people at the specific times?

We could confirm who is roleblocker. Who charged someone n1?

This isn’t necessarily true, as there could be multiple reasons for getting a no result.

A jailkeeper, for instance.

There could be a roleblocker.

And I don’t know why you assumed that Porkens was roleblocked without knowing who he targeted.

RC is a flipped commuter. That also would have given no result had that been targeted.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think double Dare is Slimer, and Lady Angel was Azazel or whatever the other one was.

It was confirmed that myself, Gamma, Kokichi weren’t either of those based on NM’s ISO, and some of the comments.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why wouldn’t you use a psychologist shot Night 1? It loses strength the longer you hold it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Guilty/Gamma
Porkens/Vax
Kokichi/Slimer
Lady/Manatee


Town to Scum.

I think this is where I’m at right now. No order on each tier.

[Flavor Leaf]

Did anyone charge Not Mafia night 1?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Lady - Who’d I vote? You says I voted everyone but you?

I believe I only went GL and Kokichi, and I ended up town reading GL, and stayed on Kokichi the entirety of the day for the most part yesterday.

That was a blatant misrep.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Lady - Who’d I vote? You says I voted everyone but you?

I believe I only went GL and Kokichi, and I ended up town reading GL, and stayed on Kokichi the entirety of the day for the most part yesterday.

That was a blatant misrep.

Roughly a fifth of your posts made mention of me being scum, more than your posts on GL and roughly on par with the amount of effort you put into Kokichi, and you never once voted me.

Also, no - the intent was to say you voted everyone you tried to tie me to but me (possibly RC as well) despite putting an inordinate amount of focus on me. Why?

I got tunneled with RC, and RC was hard town reading you so I felt a need to play devil’s advocate a bit to not have that be ingrained into his head. When RC’s in games, I tend to focus a lot on what he says.

See, he’s gone, and I haven’t said much about you really. I realize I could be wrong. RC was town’ing you, so had I voted you, RC would have been triggered by it, and then we’d have gotten like 20 pages of RC vs Flavor.

We have a fun feud, but we’re getting to the point we know how to handle each other well.

[Flavor Leaf]

I claim tracker.
And I say this because I thing we were in a pool, number drawn for roles. Scum included.

My theory is they have any chance to get any roles we do. Even cop/doc

Mm, i don’t know if I agree with this. Scum can have a doc sure, but cop, I don’t think so.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think ScumSlimer, or should I call him, Double Dare, forgot about DS being a tracker, and was trying to set up some kind of play, to be honest.

[Flavor Leaf]

So you're saying you targeted Flavor last night?

So you're saying you targeted Flavor last night?

No. I targeted guiltylion. I just said

This kind of made me start leaning scum on slimer, mixed in with NM going after him and then learning he flipped.

NM was probably trying to not have to claim because he had another charge or something.

Not Mafia’s trolly, but he’s not a weak player.

[Flavor Leaf]

So I’ve been bussing Kokichi this entire game?

Also, pushing onto the “last scum” part, accidental Freudian slip?

I’m thinking Slimer forgot DS was Tracker, and was going to go and make some play on Kokichi.

Kokichi claimed roleblocked, and Porkens said he was roleblocked night 1.

I don’t think they’re related, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m finishing up the Smash ultimate direct then I’ll be here

[Flavor Leaf]

You know what, just to appease the sceptics, I'll just ask the mod. I already asked him in PM. He said that its possible for there to be two roles with the same slot.

@MOD: Is it possible for there to be two players with the same role?

Why did you need to ask if your role pm would have proved it to you?

This is an actual slip.

VOTE: Slimer

You said “you already asked him in pm” meaning that wasn’t to appease the skeptics, but to project a specific wording and use the mod’s wording to your advantage.

Of course it’s “possible”. And had Aristo said ANYTHING else, it would have incriminated you. Mods can’t do that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not questioning the whole two trackers thing so much as the fact that two town trackers with identical role PMs would exist in a game where everyone seems to have a different PR.

This is the towniest thing you’ve posted all game.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s Slimer/Manatee and then one of Kokichi/Vax.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess Gamma could potentially be pocketing me, I have a tendency to get pocketed by players who know me, but if he was scum, I feel his Porkens push would have had at least a little more to it, including others voting there.

I don’t think Lady makes sense as a Slimer partner given Lady’s pull off of NM around the time of my replace in.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also don’t see both Lady and Slimer pushing Kokichi and myself as the scum team. I feel that was getting brought up by Slimer to appease Lady. I’m gonna do some ISO diving.

[Flavor Leaf]

VC 2.17

Not_Mafia

(6): theslimer3, Lady Angel, Kokichi Oma, Porkens, ManateeDude, Vaxkiller

(LYNCH)

Kokichi Oma (3): GuiltyLion, Flavor Leaf,

RadiantCowbells

theslimer3 (1):

Not_Mafia

Porkens (1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (0):

RC dying, and Kokichi being on the NM wagon doesn’t put some heat on Kokichi for the third scum slot.

@GL - you pushed Lady/Slimer as your top two scum reads, and I guess I don’t really have any reasons for why they couldn’t be besides what i said earlier. I don’t know. I’m just not leaning Lady as much as I was yesterday.

Manatee hasn’t really done much, but chose to come and vote NM near the end.

RC’s comment towards Gamma at the end of the day, and Gamma actually being scum is the only way I see this NM wagon from not having all three scum on it. If Gamma is scum, Kokichi is 100% scum with him.

GL has been lined up with me for too long afterwards our interaction yesterday, and him backing off after rereading makes me town read there.

I’m leaning towards Slimer/Kokichi/Manatee.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, another tracker?!

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, another tracker?!

Hmm...I’m thinking Vaxkiller might have actually been rolecopped or something then.

Was anyone else roleblocked last night? I have a theory on something.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh. Also. Double Dare was a Nickelodeon show where the contestants got Green Slime poured on them.



It was that simple. So I felt it was already obvious that Slimer was Double Dare, now it’s more obvious.

Also, Psychologist optimal play is to use actions early, and NM might be a troll, but he’s not dumb. If he had an inno, he’d have crumbed it somewhere with his shtick, and there was nothing of the sort.

He just came into the day pushing “Double Dare” aka Slimer.

That’s a hard guilty on Slimer.

[Flavor Leaf]

Who do you scumread that isnt LA

Cant we just lynch NM then worry about that stuff day 3?

theslimer are you 100% confident he will flip scum?

I'm 100% confident that he'll lose us the game

Slimer noticed he was Double Dare real early on it seems, and he went after NM, even trying to have RC and GL stop their discussion about LA and other scum reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

If someone claims dayvig and proves it ill charge them

Trying to thin the town out already? Tis only twilight, hold your horses

This shade is not a good look.

VOTE: theslimer3

Charge me so I can make Mafia Great Again!

VOTE: slimer

Idc if its a joke its a weird look too

What's a weird look?

Can I call you kimiko?

You can call me whatever you like

You got it Kimiko

VOTE: slimer

Idc if its a joke its a weird look too

What's a weird look?

The post where you called out Porkens

Hmm. Oki

VOTE: Not mafia

Purely a pl, and I am still interested in NSG. But give me a better reason not to

this is pretty bad

Please explain why. You've been doing nothing but lurking and being useless too

VOTE: Not mafia

Purely a pl, and I am still interested in NSG. But give me a better reason not to

this is pretty bad

Please explain why. You've been doing nothing but lurking and being useless too

PLs are terrible and generally terrible.

Scum is only going to keep him alive. The sooner he dies the better. If he turns out to be scum, hurray. If not, hes only going to continue to act this way

In this state, I don't see DS and RC being scum, I feel if either was scum, they woild've backed off after the fight lasted so long.

Why do you think that?

These are all the posts that Slimer has talked about Manatee with. Each of these are in DIRECT response to one of Manatee’s posts.

The early game banter looks like scum theatre throwing fake shade at each other.

However, the biggest thing of note in these posts is when Manatee calls Slimer wanting to lynch NM bad, and then says PL is bad.

Manatee ended up on the NM wagon near the end of the day.

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I'm gonna say DS is town here from their fullfront approach to the game. That being said RC is also likely town from their interactions. Idk too much about RCs meta, but ik if I was scum andsomeone else was scumreading people besides me, I would just go with the flow...

so your reads on her don't matter. don't care. you're a random dude with no background telling the guy building your house how to build it.

vote her or assume that I'm scum pushing her or vote me. no other options.

nobody wants to sheep you when you're just telling us to vote her. we all might want to push other people and get different reads then yours

Okay now how certain are you that I'm scum?

For post game purposes so I can laugh at how wrong you are

This is town 9/10 times

Anyone voting DS can die

do you really think town DS calls Lane scum because he's making 'unnecessary wallposts'?

How is that scum tho?

RC DS TvT

In this state, I don't see DS and RC being scum, I feel if either was scum, they woild've backed off after the fight lasted so long.

VOTE: slimer

RC can go in my townpool but anyone else on that wagon can die

This all looks like Manatee knowing too much and trying to get credit on people before they flip.

He also goes and throws town reads without explaining any of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf is almost defientely town.

VOTE: slimer3

Actually not sure if slimers annoyedness is coming from town or scum, I feel scum would get less worked up over it than he did. But it could just be a facade.
UNVOTE: slimer

This could go to the knowing too much as well, but it looks as if Manatee was trying to buddy me here.
Then he votes Slimer, and quickly turns it back into a town read. He speaks of it here like it’s NAI, but in the Nextel post, he states a town read even though he said he could see it coming from town or scum.

Vaxkiller - scum
Lady Angel - null
Flavor Leaf - town
Gamma Emerald - town
Porkens - null
ManateeDude - town
Kokichi Oma - town
GuiltyLion - scum
RadiantCowbells - town
Not_Mafia - null
theslimer3 - town

Looking back, I'm not too sure I liked GuiltyLion defending me, it felt kind of pockety and I kind of got pocketed by it. I havent seen mucg else but felt the need to explain it

If Lady is scum in place of Kokichi, then this makes sense why he pushes Guilty, but other than that, this post was just quoted for the town read on Slimer.

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@Manatee

- I’m thinking you’re scum, bud. Your reads have been fire this game with your town reads on myself, DS, and RC. You stated the latter two with such conviction as well, and you also attacked Slimer a bit for “PL”ing NM, even though you ended up going there. I’d like your thoughts on Slimer, please.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: n_m
Idk as long as kokichi isnt lynched

:/ helps out my Slimer/Kokichi/Manatee theory.

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Considering I get lynched today and I flip green, what would that do to your theory?

Mm...I’d probably just think Vax or Lady is scum in your place, especially because Lady has been pushing Kokichi and myself, made the comment about me not voting Lady, yet ended voting NM yesterday.

Now that the Ducky game has finished, I can bring up that I’ve been consecutively great with soul reading Gamma lately, so I’m extremely content with my town read there bar that one scenario that I mentioned earlier, however I’d probably end up costing town the game in that case.

GL, I explained. Porkens claiming to be RB’d how he did doesn’t make sense to me coming from scum, i can disclose more on this later.

So yeah. I think that the entire scum team isn’t likely to have been on that NM wagon. If you were town, and pushing it like that, scum would have all waited until end of day to push there to not seem suspicious.

You got hard guiltied, though. So the remaining scum is in Kokichi/Manatee/Lady/Vax.

My best guess is Slimer, Kokichi, Manatee.

Vax wasn’t probably rolecopped by you guys Night 1.

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Yes, because over Kokichi and Vax on that wagon, I’m the scummy one.

[Flavor Leaf]

I tracked Vax night 1. However, instead of being told what happened regarding you, I was just told that you haven't charged anyone

also this seems like a fake claim too, especially given the flipped tracker role PM

like it's possible Maf know that Vax didn't use charge N1, but aren't sure whether he

visited

anyone or not, so this claimed result is a safer lie than a full blown tracker result.

though if Vax can come in here and CC in any way, that'd be tite

I read a bunch a few times to make sense of it. Here is waht I got. (THought process here... drunken... bear with me)

I was thinking slim3r town today. I liked his thoughts on the multiple ppl having tracker... why? Well Im a a tracker too! I was thinking it's jsut too much of a risk.

I read 1438 multiple times. Maybe its too much info. Does scum have that much info? Maybe hes just good at town. Reading it at thsi very moment I dont like it. It reads: Guys I have this role 2 and here is my explanation of why it is ok that I have it.

I never really thought that way about my ability. I have my ability, someone we lynched had it. and even when slimer claimed tracker I thought "well its a common ability in this game"

I still kinda think that way. He may have a track, may have tracked me.

But I tracked RC last night and got a result back that they didnt go to anyone last night (reworded) not that the didnt charge anyone. And I find that odd. Odd enough that I went back and looked at thier posts and changed some of my thoughts (shown above)

@Vax - this is a really cool scum play. I enjoy you. But I’m tinfoil hat theory ing this right now, so let’s talk.

[Flavor Leaf]

Shall we mass claim? I’m ready to.

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So yeah. I think that the entire scum team isn’t likely to have been on that NM wagon. If you were town, and pushing it like that, scum would have all waited until end of day to push there to not seem suspicious.

FL I didn't follow this bit, if you're townreading me and Gamma doesn't that mean the whole scumteam was on the NM wagon?

I def buy that all three scum were on NM though, especially if slimer is scum then NM's guilty may have been more obvious to scum than it was to townies. NM is also chronically an attractive slot for scum to push because it's really hard to WK him convincingly

I meant is, not isn’t. Mb.

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Remember how Lady called me out for not voting her anymore and voting Kokichi despite calling both Lady and Kokichi scum for the longest time. Check Lady’s ISO. She hasn’t voted Kokichi once despite calling him scum since basically when I replaced in.

It’s Manatee/Kokichi/Vax
Or
Manatee/Kokichi/Lady

I had started to lay off Lady yesterday, but the death tunnel is just hard not to think it’s coming from scum, so I’m actually leaning towards the first option. Lady’s just annoying and hypocritical.

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Fuck it, might as well just claim now since I may be away for a good chunk of the day, and y’all don’t seem to be getting online.

I jailed Kokichi Night 2. I didn’t necessarily believe his cop claim, and thought it was a decent way to get people off of him Night action wise, and mixed in with pressure on him, i thought he was a good choice to make the night kill for the team. I would have in his position as scum, alongside seeing if he would still claim a result and catch him out that way.

The offside of that, if he was town, I’d have been blocking a town cop, BUT I thought scum would shoot there if he was town, so we’d have gotten a conf town out of it.

That didn’t happen, and he claimed roleblocked. That coincided with my action.

I also got charged that night.

So last night I jailed Manatee.

So Manatee’s either scum or was the night kill unless one of you guys did something.

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Hm...
Trying to think about whether this and Porken’s claim of blocked n1 help confirm each other
Who would be at risk from those people at the specific times?

We could confirm who is roleblocker. Who charged someone n1?

This isn’t necessarily true, as there could be multiple reasons for getting a no result.

A jailkeeper, for instance.

There could be a roleblocker.

And I don’t know why you assumed that Porkens was roleblocked without knowing who he targeted.

RC is a flipped commuter. That also would have given no result had that been targeted.

There’s confirmed to be a second roleblocker somewhere out there. Porkens claimed roleblocked Day 2. That wasn’t my slot.

Porkens then stated he didn’t target RC meaning he was blocked somehow, which is why I’ve been town reading the slot.

To be fair, at the time, I thought there wasn’t going to be duplicates. So...yeah.

If Vax is scum, there still isn’t duplicate roles, however, since Slimer was a charged tracker.

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Hm...
Trying to think about whether this and Porken’s claim of blocked n1 help confirm each other
Who would be at risk from those people at the specific times?

We could confirm who is roleblocker. Who charged someone n1?

This isn’t necessarily true, as there could be multiple reasons for getting a no result.

A jailkeeper, for instance.

There could be a roleblocker.

And I don’t know why you assumed that Porkens was roleblocked without knowing who he targeted.

RC is a flipped commuter. That also would have given no result had that been targeted.

That last post was me explaining why I said this post.

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@Manatee - if you were actually just shot last night and not the killer, who’s the scum team for you?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Manatee - if you were actually just shot last night and not the killer, who’s the scum team for you?

GL porkens vax

Not gonna lie, I hate that you just happened to be here...

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@GL - I’m seeing Kokichi as still scummy because I have a weird gut feeling that Lady is town, and I’ve been town reading Gamma and you for a bit, so I don’t see any other teams that fit.

Gamma could have pocketed me.

I’m not entirely sure where I want tbh.

I could even see Manatee as potentially town since he was a low info kill and I was pushing him as Slimer’s partner, so scum killing there makes sense as well if he was town to try and set me up as a game winning mislynch, which Lady did, but didn’t push it for that reasoning.

We also have a liar amongst us.

Porkens claimed roleblocked Night 1. I didn’t do that, meaning there’s another blocker out there.

Tinfoil hat theory - Gamma and Porkens fake claimed a neighborhood as scum, but that’s risky if Gamma were to have ever flip.

I’ve three man fake claimed neighborhood with the entire scum team before to win the game, but that scenario was super set up for that.

That’s just tinfoil hat for me.


Manatee’s labeled me as town since I replaced in basically immediately.

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But that Manatee scenario only makes sense if I’m the one trying to be framed, and I don’t see any team of 3 that would think it’s a good idea to go for a mislynch on me here.

I think Lady’s the only one here that would try to mislynch me, but I know Gamma wouldn’t approve of that, I’m pretty sure Kokichi wouldn’t.

I’m in a spot where if Manatee is town, Lady is for sure scum. If Lady is town, Manatee is for sure scum.

They could be scum together, but I don’t think a scenario exists where one of them isn’t scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

That means Lady charged someone Night 2 if you saw them with 0.

[Flavor Leaf]

Occam’s razor says Manatee is just the scum who made the kill because he was the smallest presence.

[Flavor Leaf]

That means Lady charged someone Night 2 if you saw them with 0.

GL can correct me on this, but I assumed his role tracks the amount of charges our main (in my case, Doctor) ability has, not the amount of charge charges we have left.

@GL am I right on this?

Oh. I can see that being it too.

I just saw charges.

[Flavor Leaf]

Aight, not too much activity right now. I got stuff to do, I’ll be back later.

[Flavor Leaf]

Aight, not too much activity right now. I got stuff to do, I’ll be back later.

Oops, meant to say this in the scum PT. My bad.

[Flavor Leaf]

Aight, not too much activity right now. I got stuff to do, I’ll be back later.

Oops, meant to say this in the scum PT. My bad.

Lol, I really shouldn’t joke around right now.

I apologize, haha.

But for real, I’ll check up tonight.

Don’t make any hasty decisions.

Imma take a vote as a scum claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

I said don’t vote!

Meh, whatever.

Manateee’s probably scum anyways.

Babysitter is an odd role for the setup anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

He claimed before I replaced in.

[Flavor Leaf]

Neighborizer

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@GL - one of Kokichi/Vax is town then in that case. I agree that looks off.

It’s probably Kokichi.

I’m still not entirely sure if I believe Vax is a town tracker. Feels like he could have thought Slimer was Tracker and as potential mafia tracker decide to join in on it to ride that out.

And I’ve been debating about Lady as well, so she could be the scum on the wagon.

I’m still with my Manatee vs Lady thing impossible to not have 1 scum in them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Occam’s razor says Manatee is just scum.

intent to vote

[Flavor Leaf]

I think he's pretty much just scumclaiming at this point. I say charge FL, doctor should be on FL and FL just block your scumread

This looks like a bus.

I’m ready to end the day.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll send my charge to Lady, I guess.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I die, Kokichi, Vax, Lady

Look into all of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, Kokichi, you’re scum af.

This game is going to come down if we lynch correctly within Lady/Vax

VOTE: Manatee

Gamma or Guilty is going to be taken to LYLO with Lady/Vax.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

take me home, country road

VOTE: Manatee

These votes were likely talked about. Manatee voting Vax is probably distancing, same with Kokichi since they knew Manatee was going down.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma just hammer

Or we can flip and lynch this.

Regardless, nobody’s doing anything anymore.

[Flavor Leaf]

Manatee today, Kokichi tomorrow

Don’t take my reads into much consideration after that. I’ve been consistently getting 2/3 scum, not 3 for 3 lately.

Kokichi won’t get lynched today if we flipped because busing’s happening due to zero resistance.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think kokichi being obvscum made me come across as townie.

RC and Lady bringing up that it was a Kokichi/Flavor scum pairing, I was like DAMN, how. I’m literally busing him this entire time, haha.

I feel like it helped me eventually get town read.

I’m also glad our no kill plan that was made the day before went through well.

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Porkens, I think this is like our third scum victory together, but I don't really remember either of those other ones, haha.


@Gamma - had he not been my partner, I would have went with you more. I was being honest when I felt you had a fair point to make regarding Porkens.

[Flavor Leaf]

This wasn't even close to scum game of the year this is one of the weakest towns that I've ever seen

I don't think that takes away from us, though. I thought we played pretty well, and pushed on town's issues. Kokichi and I are aggravating players, so we have to use that to our advantage.

@RC - you had us. I had to spend all Day 2 making sure that I got town read from our interaction more than anything else.

I feel that was decently strong of us to explain to everyone why you were town to get you universally town read and naturally killed from the game.

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I'm usually right just that a solid % of modern players hate the idea of me being good at the game so they hyperfocus on the games/situations that I'm wrong to justify ignoring all of my reads to themselves. Even having one of many of the games I've had this year would have made anyone else stand way the fuck out as a strong player but when I do it consistently it's just meh and that one time I was wrong weighs more heavily on most people.

Just start town reading me more. (you were right here, though)

It was exhilarating being scum against you again.

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To be fair, we were actually coming up with paths so that that wouldn't happen.

Even if you were in the game, it still probably wouldn't have been.

You would have likely been on me, and my pushing of Kokichi would have not had you switch over.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, I played this game entirely catering towards getting town read based on interacting with you heavily, and then taking you out, so that's the presence you had on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you couldn't nightkill me you wouldn't have won.

I actually think I might have talked about this in the scum thread.

I actively knew you were a for sure night kill based on the thread.

You said charge me so I could "keep staying alive"

implying that you were a role that could keep yourself alive with charges. You gave yourself away that you were gonna be an easy target that night, and then I roleblocked Lady because she was most likely to protect you.

I catered the game towards you in the political aspect too.