Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[BuJaber]

I'll vote after that is confirmed.. intent to hammer if L-1.
But if Ari hasn't claimed yet it's time?

[BuJaber]

I don't buy the BG claim
Jingle is right that it resolves itself though

[BuJaber]

Toogle why are you voting Chick?

[BuJaber]

Fucking fine.

I retract the Neutral part of my claim. I claimed that so I could fucking not get shot yet.

Happy?

Is this for real?

[BuJaber]

@RR - Resolves itself means you policy lynch it if it doesn't get killed.

And why would Elsa protect a BG? To fuck with us? I hope than no town doc would ever protect a BG.


Pedit - hmm this changes wrt Tora claiming he knew what you were crumbing VOTE: Nancy drew

[BuJaber]

1 day left :/

Ehh sorry thor wish this info came sooner
VOTE: Ari

[BuJaber]

Please don't ever protect BG
BG dying is one of the best ways to guess what happened at night

[BuJaber]

Jingle claimed mason with gamma. Falls under the same category as the BG claim except they're even more likely to die. Scum can wifom but they risk giving us 2 IC's. Day 4 or 5 if both are alive we lynch one. That confscums or locktowns the other.

Pedit - maybe but I for one didn't notice until people said it and I reread. There's no reason to believe a 3p crumb. There's no reason to brag about it. I couldn't come up with a scum motivation for it even if there's TMI there but when everyone thought Elsa was 3p he was unlikely to flip so the TMI was likely never going to be proven. Now Elsa may not like that long.

Also yeah fine lynch Tails but I don't want to vote for him because he made it personal and I want to show him he can be lynched without my vote. Ari slot isn't better playwise good scum equity on this wagon too.

[BuJaber]

No if there's a chance you're Mal we shouldn't lynch you

VOTE: Tails fuck ego

[BuJaber]

Simplest explanation for Tails to single me out of all the other people that voted him earlier: I was the easiest to mislynch.
He didn't read but he has skimmed some ISOs he would have seen how many people scumread me.


Pedit - to maximize town utility
I mean you could still be scum fake claiming obviously

[BuJaber]

Nsg started off okay.. then kinda lurked then repped out
The true test of nsg's alignment seems to be when she is about to be lynched but that never happened

Selfvoting as vengeful is more likely to happen than non venge I'd say. It's not a town exclusive modifier but I'm skeptical that scum!you would lie about contacting the mod regarding the Mala interaction.. especially when he has stated it himself.

[BuJaber]

You can make a more informed decision if you get lynched at a later day.
You could still be NK'd but hopefully with the amount of protectives we have that shouldn't happen soon

[BuJaber]

Safeclaim for anyone not reading the thread.
We've had a lot of claims that are protective and/or imply a healer flavor of some kind.

Like is the whole serenity crew a bunch of doctors and bodyguards?

[BuJaber]

Menno is an excellent shot but don't get lynched. Lynch tails

There's no interesting associatives... we've been voting each other since the start. I didn't vote for sky but that's because I was tunnelled on the RC-Tora thing.

[BuJaber]

If you're not Mal then lynching you is not optimal but not too bad.

Also don't trust the judgements of anyone who isn't townreading me yet. They're either not reading, or scum, or the reason why the IC role exists.

[BuJaber]

"Also would look at BuJaber if it flips red"

Yeah that totally implies you think I'm the towny fairy godmother and I shouldn't be suspected.

Please don't be like this. You suspect me. It's not a crime. It doesn't make sense to me with all my very deliberate posts softing and crumbing and weird townreads on people that had no reason to be townread at the time (Malakitten), but it's not a crime.

[BuJaber]

That wasn't targetted at you. You said I had associatives with Light.
I corrected that.

The people scumreading me refers to Toog and Chick and whoever thinks I'm a good vig/venge shot.

[BuJaber]

You're misinterpretting everyone's posts lately including the mod. just ask for clarification.

[BuJaber]

You will even notice that the 2 things are in separate posts

[BuJaber]

Though to be fair you voted me several times this game so I don't know why you'd have a problem with me hypothetically saying that you scumread me.

[BuJaber]

Thor's body has been found with a pierce through the heart. He was..

Spoiler:

Hello

Thor665

You are a Reaver. Each night you may target one other player and torment them to the point where they die of fear. You have a 2-shot Commuter ability though so you may use that if you don't want to kill on any given night.

You win when

all other players are dead

or nothing can prevent that from happening.

Important: There is a chance the game may end before you can accomplish your mission, so choose your victims wisely.

Even more important: To avoid flavour gaming; Town players have NOT been given their flavour.

“I ain’t going over there with them bodies. No rutting way. Not if Reavers messed with ‘em.”

Thread is now unlocked and it's Day 3

Day 3 Deadline (expired on 2018-11-15 18:45:00)

I thought Thor might have been LE's (Menno's) partner.
That means their partner is still around.

Who else resisted our glorious Menno wagon?
I think we need to focus there.

[BuJaber]

For the record I only thought this after LE's flip, because I admit I was townreading thor pretty hard.

But menno was scum and you guys still wanted to waste our time with nonsense.

Tails is still suspect in my book.

Also why does chick have to be town RR? She could be honest and scum. It's a good scum PR to have in multiball.

Pedit - I say check flicker or nancy. I don't think I need to be checked, but apparently I'm not as obvtown as I thought I would be to everyone by now.

I mean look at all the crumbing and talking about Mala. What kind of scum motivation am I going for to locktown someone who had barely posted at the time?

[BuJaber]

I'm a little worried about cheeky. A lot of her posts seem townie and she wanted menno also, but just seems like she keeps joining popular wagons. If there are multiple SKs like Thor one could be her?

Probably not a groupscum though.

[BuJaber]

Just check elsa .. confirm the ascetic part at least

[BuJaber]

No nevermind flicker/Nancy way better checks.

[BuJaber]

Chara if he's not weak what would hiding behind scummy players give us?

[BuJaber]

To be honest it doesn't matter that much I think. He either dies at night or We have to lynch Elsa soon if the game doesn't end with another HoB flip or if we don't find the 2nd HoB.

[BuJaber]

What changed is Elsa no longer claims 3p and chara has been sounding townier with time.
My townread on you was closely related to those 2 players.

[BuJaber]

VOTE: Tails

Also, this won't stop bugging me, so I'm just gonna ask.

Buj, does your username have anything to do with the Dave the Barbarian? My gut says no, but I can't shake the thought.

No

[BuJaber]

I don't have much to say without more flips or massclaim
Happy with tails vote as potential HoB suspect.
Still think 1 scum is among chara/nancy.
Elsa probably should be PL'd soon.
Don't really buy that priest is flicker's whole role. But I agree that she's obviously not HoB.

[BuJaber]

I'd be quite impressed if toog was scum because I still can't imagine that claim being part of someone's actual endgaming plan.

[BuJaber]

I am massclaiming last or like 2nd to last at max. My fullclaim opens up more opprtunities for fakeclaims and forces a few people to redo their setup spec.

I am not claiming at this point.. if I die stopping a bad massclaim from happening then I did my job. We either do the massclaim right or we don't do it at all.

You want to suspect me that's your own bias and prejudice. I'm pretty clearly town anyway.

CT, RR, RK, chara, Elsa left right? Or elsa just survivor hider with a spent BP? Was that you fullclaiming elsa?

[BuJaber]

Flavorwise who would Mal's lyncher be? Kaylee? Who's Kaylee?

[BuJaber]

What's so complicated is it's a lot of modifiers and you split the claim between maybe 20 posts.. chill

[BuJaber]

I'm a seraph knight for Malcolm. I don't know who it is just that it's whoever Malcolm is.

I die in their place. Lynch or NK doesn't matter.

That's why it's doubly hard for Mala to win. I don't mess with lynchers I just mess with Mala specifically.

I don't have the crew member extra line thing. I also have a tendency to confirm my alignment to the mod when I confirm my role but since this game it wasn't explicitly stated I added something like I assume I'm town, to which A50 replied and his reply implies that town is made up of serenity + allies. Whatever that means.

That's all.. I didn't want someone to try to fakeclaim Mal somehow. I also wanted to keep the WIFOM of me being Mal as long as possible as that would literally be the best way to keep him alive.

[BuJaber]

This got a small chuckle out of me, I had a similar role in a game from 2016 (Death Note Mafia). I can’t get into the best part though.

What's funny is that I thought Elsa was claiming Mal with his Captain's log entries, but it turned out to be just irrelevant roleplaying.

[BuJaber]

Chick have you targeted anyone yet? If yes, have you gotten a result?

Who are people proposing we lynch?

I think Chara/RK have to be first mechanically.

I think we definitely have a minimum of 1 killing non-town role alive, (2 scum + 1 traitor, 1 SK, 2 3p seems pretty weak in 17 player) plus the game won't end with Mala's win condition a loose end.

So I know Jingle wants 3rd parties to win with us, but it could get pretty risky considering 2 townies have to die for Mala to win.

Also we kinda need Jingle/Gamma confirmed just to remove all doubt.

[BuJaber]

Can we just confirm the Loved modifier for chara quickly? I know it's a stupid lie and I believe it even if she is scum, but since we've decided to go the massclaim route let's confirm everything we can confirm.

VOTE: Chara
Flicker can't be hammer obviously and force Mala to vote early on the wagon at the threat of us lynching her instead.

[BuJaber]

Wait the Mala thing doesn't make sense.. it doesn't matter which order she votes in. If I die I die .. let's confirm the loved claim.

[BuJaber]

It isn't passive.. why would it be passive?

Whether it counts as a visit is something else, but I think it is logical to assume it does. It is an action that affects everyone who had an action.. so it's like he visited all the action takers.

[BuJaber]

Oh you don't mean passive as in Toog didn't have a choice.. you meant that it doesn't specifically target actions. I'm tired and I can barely follow this stuff when I'm not tired sorry.

[BuJaber]

If Tails thought Chick being alive would stop us lynching then it makes sense for Tails to JK Chick. Plus gives a good fakeclaim for bg target.

[BuJaber]

That would be taking flavor too far. Masons in mafia is a strong enough role as is. Golden rule of theme games is it still has to be a mafia game in the end.

There's plenty of reasons to want to confirm Jingle and Gamma but saying they should be more based on flavor is a bad reason to suspect them. Especially coming from the person who claimed VT with priest only and we have chara claiming VT with loved only.

[BuJaber]

Wait Tails JKing Chick wouldn't explain the Thor kill right?

What's the timeline on all the actions...it's starting to sound like Elsa should be lynched.

[BuJaber]

Yeah day 1 traitor dies, night 1 Toog activates LR so no kill.
Day 2 we lynch HoB1, so night 2 HoB2 cannot both kill and JK, likely Tails JKed. Elsa claims she lost BP hiding behind Thor though, and we know Thor got killed.
Day 3 we lynch HoB2, night 3 no kills.

So either Tails killed Thor.. which would make sense but doesn't explain who visited Chick
Or Tails JK'd Chick and Elsa lied.

Or Elsa didn't lie and the other scum killed Thor. Which would be hilarious if you ask me.

Okay someone double check my work and tell me which one is most plausible.

[BuJaber]

Only thing is.. why would Elsa lie about losing BP there.. unless it's to make his story plausible.. but then he would be specifically covering his ass from a tracker type role when nobody could have known we had one..

How many lies is one man going to come up with and keep track of.. hmm

[BuJaber]

I'm literally telling you the information I have for you. N1 I hid behind Cheeky. Fine. N2 is Thor. Lost my BP. N3 did jackshit. I'm alive.

What's so complicated in thinking Thor attacked my slot and HoB killed Thor?

The issue with HoB killing Thor is that who visited Chick then?

[BuJaber]

Random ass townie would imply a townie that fakeclaimed.

I put forth the 3 possibilities as I see them. I don't think I missed but you're welcome to correct me.

Our cop was on RR.

[BuJaber]

Doc was on RR not cop*

[BuJaber]

Ftr I'm not saying you have to be scum, as you see in 4339 I have my doubts with the way you went about it, but you killing Thor is 1 out of the 3 possibilities.


Pedit - because he didn't know RR was MD at the time? I don't see what's wrong?

[BuJaber]

Then I guess whatever the Reavers are have a rolecop or something then, because they got no reason to roleblock a Daycop.

I realise this is very stupid considering I'm saying they invested the Daycop, but whatever.

Also, can you tell me what I gained from saying I hid on top of Thor and lost my BP? I'm Ascetic so it wouldn't have mattered much anyway wherever I visit since you couldnt track it.

Okay fine ... honest question..if you were in our place and the game continued.. town don't win, our mumbers start to dwindle. When would you suggest we lynch the survivor claim? How many townies can we afford to lose before we have to do it is the question?

Lylo? Lylo -1? Lylo-2? Lylo -3?

Bear in mind that we would only be guessing when lylo is.

[BuJaber]

Is there some reason why y'all don't want to confirm Chara's claim before we move on? It'll take less than a day..

[BuJaber]

So the optimal strategy for town in a game with survivor claims is to hope the survivor is telling the truth. Got it, thanks for being honest at least.

[BuJaber]

VOTE: Mala

Because honestly I don’t want to keep having to post in a game where I won’t win.

Help us find scum to end the game faster

[BuJaber]

I don't agree with this plan. I'm pretty damn confident Mala is telling the truth.. unless that confidence gets shattered by something happening, why kill the non-threat when we know for sure there's a living threat?

[BuJaber]

Yeah and once again I'm going to look heartless this game because I want the best chances for Town.

I'm sorry Mala but leaving the game early is between you and the mod. I don't want to help scum and I don't want us getting complacent.

[BuJaber]

Check Chara's loved first

[BuJaber]

We know from Flicker those modifiers exist. No real point in checking it.

Easy scum lynch if she's lying. Also it's almost effortless, just a few votes and then we get on with the rest of the day.

[BuJaber]

Cheeky: Just to clarify, I'm not 3p. My role PM just didn't specify I'm a member of the crew. If Mal dies after I'm dead I don't lose, I can still win with town.

VOTE: RightKnight
ehh... between RK and Elsa I don't really mind either.. might as well go with the one Chick copped.

[BuJaber]

Actually that's not my honest reason. I just really think there's scum among Chara/RK .. haven't been able to change my mind on that.

[BuJaber]

Actually that's not my honest reason. I just really think there's scum among Chara/RK .. haven't been able to change my mind on that.

So basically my top 3 lynches in no particular order are RK, Chara, and Elsa

[BuJaber]

Oh lol it was a pedit.. I submitted and saw that part and I wanted to add the second part later and didn't know the first was submitted thought I clicked on preview instead by accident because the text was still in my submission box thing.

[BuJaber]

Wasn't RK the one saying we shouldn't be outguessing the mod or whatever? And then you turn right around and do it yourself.

If you really don't think we can both exist then you should be doubting Mala who claimed something that makes her almost a 0 threat and gives her an excuse to not post anything all game.

I personally believe Mala but my claim should be far more believable from an outsider perspective if one had doubt about us coexisting.

[BuJaber]

Wait wait I'm a little confused by your questions

1. Me getting killed at night means either scum shot Mal or scum shot me. Since my role PM doesn't specify who Malcom is, it will only confirm his identity to scum.

2. How does chick result on me and Mala self-voting means I die if she's lying? That I didn't follow.

[BuJaber]

Do you really think she could be lying?

UNVOTE:

For now.

No I don't because her role explains why I have such an uncommon role that is also been modified from the standard version on the wiki.

And iirc she claimed at a time when she wasn't in any danger of dying.

Just that on the face of it her claim is pretty good for survival. If I didn't have my role I would be somewhat suspicious of her. She also did post something like "Captain my captain where are you?" At the begunning of the game.. it fits.


Pedit yes that is correct. RR was talking about Mal being NK'd which would be different.

[BuJaber]

Okay so admittedly I couldn't pinpoint which one of them was scum, and at first I townread Tora for his weird posts regarding Elsa, but I think my recor with reading RC/Tora continues to be strong, considering I was moving away from chara and closer to RK throughout the game.

And screw you all for making me feel bad about it. That fight between them absolutely helped me figure it out. I didn't instigate the fight nor tried to fan the flames as it were. I simply did not want to make it stop without it reaching its natural conclusion.


What town did well here is that despite all the differencess between us, the majority still more or less went with a good lynch every day and were open to trusting someone else, while still arguing their side to the best of their ability when they disagree, which is a great mindset for town.

Scum were somewhat weak in terms of PRs but I think it was mostly bad luck. For one thing the LR on night 1 was an excellent choice by Toog. With a few different decisions here and there town could have easily gotten wrecked by NKs, even with the 2 kill per cycle limit.


Pedit - what A50 said

[BuJaber]

I enjoyed the game.. weirdly enough when at first I stopped having fun near the end of day 1 I started caring less, which made me enjoy it more and made me reinvest in trying to solve

[BuJaber]

One thing that I think needs addressing A50, is that you basically encouraged us to flavor game by removing our flavor in an attempt to get us to not flavor game. Town needed a few Vanilla in order for Scum to have a bit more safety in their claims. I do like the off the wall roles since that could also encourage some wild roles to be thought up, like Enabler, scum to hide in, but role madness allowed for town to discern the identities of players simply based on their powers. I only had 3 players wrong in my flavor spec before you announced it, and if you are trying to hide our identities before our flips, then there definitely needed to be more room for doubt in who was what role.

This is an excellent point.

[BuJaber]

Happy Scumday btw A50

Happy scumday A50.

Ari, thanks for not venge killing me like some suggested. That was a pretty crucial point in the game considering people (mostly other townies) insisted on lynching you. You made the right choice despite the pressure.