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Post Post #1425 (isolation #200) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:46 pm

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Like I find it near impossible to reconcile BS's current play being scum with his play in civilization mafia where he was bloody obvscum

i see why others aren't townreading him because he's not playing at all to be townread, but if anything that lack of desire to be townread is towny to me

i would be absolutely stupefied if bs was scum here
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Post Post #1426 (isolation #201) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:47 pm

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i also think that his 'oh just pair me off' is very similar to him in uhh the dinobots game where he was talking on d1 about dueling someone to get himself killed asap
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Post Post #1432 (isolation #202) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:49 pm

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fuckin rekt

maria do you think dva is cute
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Post Post #1435 (isolation #203) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:51 pm

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like if he's scum he had a strategy from the get go that was extremely well thought out and he executed it extremely well even when it wasn't working, so like idk i can't see him being scum.
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Post Post #1438 (isolation #204) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:53 pm

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at this point we're just looking for an at least 1 town pairing for the final matchup
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Post Post #1439 (isolation #205) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:53 pm

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i'm kind of tempted to not even go for individual reads on people, to just go through isos until i come up with a pairing that i can confidently say is not svs and put that in
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #206) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:53 pm

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chibi/brian dance?
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Post Post #1442 (isolation #207) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:55 pm

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can't confidently say that is not svs lol
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #208) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:59 pm

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Cool thing I just thought of: the game becomes far far harder for town if all 3 scum are the same gender

Everyone wait I'm still trying to pick a good fourth pairing then you can pair to your hearts content with anyone who isn't LLD :]
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Post Post #1454 (isolation #209) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:02 pm

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In post 1451, Sakura Hana wrote:I like how everyone has all these fancy invitation letters and i just did a simple bold text, FeelsBadMan
even a simple bold text is good enough when it comes from a sweetheart like you <3
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #210) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:04 pm

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In post 871, Malakittens wrote:
In post 870, Karmeleon wrote:
In post 867, Malakittens wrote:Is it just me or is Karm ridiculously frustrating? Or is it just my pissy mood that’s getting the best of me?
It's your mood, ma'am.
I wasn’t asking you for your opinion on yourself

But thanks though
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In post 979, Sakura Hana wrote:I love how I seem to have dissapeared from people's reads lists
are u doing a mala impression?
fuck you.
huh ok i think we're putting mala in t4
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #211) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:04 pm

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ack

am i reall ythat sure these are not svs? idk. i need thinking time and tea.
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Post Post #1463 (isolation #212) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:14 pm

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Post Post #1465 (isolation #213) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:19 pm

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Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral
Kokichi Oma
SirCakez
Karmeleon

paired with

MariaR
Moment
Malakittens
Firebringer
Princess Celestia

im not even townhunting here btw

i'm probably going to get a precisely TvS pairing for pairing #4 because that's my explicit intent
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #214) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:28 pm

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heh

i want to put princess celeste in tier 4 maybe since she has several people she's like not scum with
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #215) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:29 pm

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this is actually really hard :x
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Post Post #1470 (isolation #216) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:36 pm

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WHY THE FUCK IS THIS GAME SO HARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #217) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:38 pm

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completely unrelated to maria saying that a post ago

i was actually strongly considering maria/cakez as a good 4th pairing
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Post Post #1472 (isolation #218) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:38 pm

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moment/cakez also has nice equity

i don't think cakez just sits all game calling his buddy scum
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #219) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:41 pm

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especially given moment just calls them town in return and never addresses it, that doen't feel svs at all to me
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #220) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:44 pm

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I think I want moment/Sircakez for tier 4 with the stipulation that I think it's TvS a lot of the time
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Post Post #1475 (isolation #221) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:48 pm

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think I'm ready to lock that in

OKAY

RC/Sakura T1
BrianSkies/ChibiQT T2
Shortaru/DVa T3
Sircakez/Moment T4

Everyone else is free to pair with whoever their heart desires.

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Post Post #1476 (isolation #222) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:49 pm

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that said any LLD pairings are getting powerlynched so, just, like, don't :P
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #223) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:53 pm

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Also quick side note in case I have to make it
I am 100% confident that lynching upwards wins us the game
I am not 100% confident that there's no town in that townblock and I'd actually say that there's fairly decent odds of exactly 1 and even the possibility of 2 (Sircakez/DVa)
just trust the process. the process works. you can hate me forever if it's wrong and in the leftovers idc who you lynch and when but trust the p r o c e s s
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Post Post #1478 (isolation #224) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:54 pm

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remember everyone else -> 4 -> 3 is a win :]

now go forth and pair with whoever you think is cute or something
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Post Post #1539 (isolation #225) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:10 am

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sircakez that's kind of the point

i believe that you're not scum together based on your interactions and that's good enough to lock the game as a win by pairing you
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Post Post #1548 (isolation #226) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:30 pm

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Brian already has shown he's town.
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Post Post #1614 (isolation #227) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:47 am

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In post 1606, SirCakez wrote:In post 1539, RadiantCowbells wrote:
sircakez that's kind of the point

i believe that you're not scum together based on your interactions and that's good enough to lock the game as a win by pairing you

But then I can't push him...
I mean I can but I'm not ready to die..
i mean you do lynch her, you just lynch her as the third last group
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Post Post #1616 (isolation #228) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:02 am

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i still want moment/cakez to happen
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Post Post #1655 (isolation #229) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:16 am

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In post 1636, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:the tl;dr of this is

Grow some backbone and let's get some actual work done.

If you want a hard promise from me, here's one.

Regardless of how things go, I promise to voluntarily leave the dance immediately after intermission

No you won't, you're just trying to get someone to pair with you so you can ride Firebringer's fuck playing to win train to endgame
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Post Post #1657 (isolation #230) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:18 am

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Sircakez if you're town this is autowin if you pair moment
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Post Post #1659 (isolation #231) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:20 am

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That's not what I said Karmeleon

LLD survived after I die Firebringer comes in and says he refused to vote LLD because he wants to spite me, game gets muddled, LLD despite bad scum play convinces a bunch of bad townies she's town and town loses an unlosable game.

I'd prefrr firebringer die as well because I thought his attempt to tie LLD to Maria was SvS and he's playing very pro scum but I'm not worried about him endgaming
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Post Post #1661 (isolation #232) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:20 am

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In post 1658, Karmeleon wrote:Moment?
Moment sircakez is not SvS
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Post Post #1662 (isolation #233) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:21 am

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Individual reads don't matter

No one in this game thinks they're SvS therefore they are a perfect T4 pairing
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Post Post #1666 (isolation #234) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:25 am

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I know no one read my game theory and that's fine, obviously I take winning a lot more seriously than others, but we're playing to win this one and if it's antifun for everyone I'll stay out of future dance games. But I want this win.

I wasn't trying to play dictator either but no one would engage me on my reads or style of playing the game and everyone just wanted to be dictated to? Like my vision was us collectively deciding pairings but no one wanted to play that game so I just matchmakered it
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Post Post #1667 (isolation #235) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:25 am

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LLD I don't hate you I just don't care about you beyond how you interact with my win condition.
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Post Post #1669 (isolation #236) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:31 am

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Did you ever offer a single opinion on any of the pairings?

I can't recall that you did
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Post Post #1670 (isolation #237) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:33 am

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I went out of my way to get a Maria read from you ftr and you were noncommittal about it so
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Post Post #1708 (isolation #238) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:20 pm

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Mala karma
Moment cakez ty
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Post Post #1712 (isolation #239) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:30 pm

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Dunn are you accusing mala of faking being busy strategically
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Post Post #1713 (isolation #240) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:34 pm

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I dunno fire

Do you dispute any of the reads that leads to my chosen pairings?
I want to play to win this and I don't want to not play to win this

DVA also had the choice of pairing Brian skies so like that's not really on me?
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #241) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:58 am

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Karmeleon it's better to dance then leave than to not dance at all
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #242) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:13 am

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In post 1722, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1713, RadiantCowbells wrote:I dunno fire

Do you dispute any of the reads that leads to my chosen pairings?
I want to play to win this and I don't want to not play to win this

DVA also had the choice of pairing Brian skies so like that's not really on me?
i do dispute a lot of the actions you taken and i think we have quite a few read disagreements here, and you haven't been willing to engage them until literally i call you out on ur behavior, why is that?

why are you saying "I want people to engage me with reads" and not engage with like all game.

and i don't think people have been given free choice by you.
i don't think you can hold up your hands and say "well people want me to dictate so i did" because that isn't what a majority of what people feel.
i think you want to make choices based off of notreads and i want to make choices based off of reads

what reads of mine do you disagree with and have a counterargument to
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Post Post #1758 (isolation #243) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:26 am

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I have very little to say on Maria x LLD until I see LLD's flip and given that flip is going to happen soon I'm happy to just wait for it and respond to it later? I've thought about it at least
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Post Post #1760 (isolation #244) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:32 am

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I am undecided on karmeleon but leantown
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #245) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:10 am

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if you want to pair with mala that's fine i guess

but only if karmeleon pairs moment or somethign because i don't want any missed pairs :(
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #246) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:47 pm

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In post 1778, Karmeleon wrote:
In post 1775, SirCakez wrote:Moment/karma pls
Also I won't bother pairing with Moment if I'm just gonna be instalynched.
you're not
just pair with them

sircakez pair with mala
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Post Post #1791 (isolation #247) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:56 pm

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not lld
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Post Post #1813 (isolation #248) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:15 am

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It was really stupid, I knew both of them were town and post LLD flip that would have been a top pairing.

no matter what do not leave the dance over the next few days
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Post Post #1817 (isolation #249) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:19 am

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The real question is whether she knew she was jeopardized from the moment of my being conftown because I've never pushed her as town and have consistently lynched her as scum so like I'm not sure if she believed my 100% read but she might have been setting up for it from the beginning
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Post Post #1824 (isolation #250) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:24 am

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A lot of people on MS townread the presence of emotionality in general without questioning how or what or why
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Post Post #1829 (isolation #251) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:27 am

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It was weird but I don't expect Maria to read LLD right.
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Post Post #1832 (isolation #252) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:29 am

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Forgetting scum for now, Chibi/Brian is still town and DVA/Short still has at most 1 scum I believe so comfortable there

I'll look over the other pairings and see if there's anyone I like more
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Post Post #1833 (isolation #253) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:29 am

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I read LLD/Fire as partners from very early on yeah

That said I don't particularly care about finding scum here
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #254) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:32 am

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I'm pretty sure we're just sticking to the plan from here on out

Brian/Chibi go to endgame, DVa/Short to 1 pair before endgame
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Post Post #1845 (isolation #255) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:36 am

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Can we use hurt tags just for the next few days so no one gets lynched early
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Post Post #1860 (isolation #256) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:50 am

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I think dva has surprisingly high equity as a LLD partner but given that she's tier 2 and I implicitly trust Short, we should be good.
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Post Post #1862 (isolation #257) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:39 am

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short, karm
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #258) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:57 am

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Which head are you scumreading, Brian?
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Post Post #1904 (isolation #259) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:17 pm

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LLD's freak out about the game happened immediately after I changed the top pairings from

DVA/?
Chibi/Short

to

Chibi/Brian
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Post Post #1908 (isolation #260) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:25 pm

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i think maria/dunn probably flips a scum
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Post Post #1911 (isolation #261) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:28 pm

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why would you not be
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Post Post #1912 (isolation #262) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:29 pm

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i'm losing confidence in my own reads rn
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Post Post #1914 (isolation #263) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:33 pm

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I'm keeping you guys as the (at worst) 1 scum 1 town pool so you're safely there

we don't need a group 4 anymore since 2 scum are gone

we just need to find a t-t group
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Post Post #1915 (isolation #264) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:33 pm

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since 1 scum is gone
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Post Post #1919 (isolation #265) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:38 pm

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i believe if i deep dive LLD's interaction patterns with partners which I haven't done yet I'll be able to solve for the scum as opposed to the town in this game but it seems like so much work
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Post Post #1920 (isolation #266) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 pm

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i'm still 100% on brian town but now i'm not 100% sure that the non-brian is town :(

i was really feeling somethign about chibitown but now idk if it was real or imagined
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Post Post #1923 (isolation #267) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:55 pm

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entirely different motivations for that change, mostly that chibi just refused to scumread LLD

@chibi why were you so sure that LLD was town?
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Post Post #1934 (isolation #268) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:08 pm

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Fire, why don't you think Maria is a scumbutt anymore
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #269) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:46 pm

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I think at this point I'm happiest saying fuck it Chibi wins if she's scum and let's kill everyone else then DVa/Short in 4 way
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #270) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:55 pm

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I want to scumread chibi for being wrong on things but ehh rationally how bad she has had her reads probably points to her being town
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Post Post #1960 (isolation #271) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:56 pm

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If you want me to aggressively scumhunt I can do that otherwise we can start the process or lynching or danceleaving for all the non chibibear skies dvashort pairings
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Post Post #1962 (isolation #272) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:00 pm

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From where I'm standing, who we lynch and when is not all that important if the town block holds so like idk

Eh I owe this game that LLD metadive I'll do it
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Post Post #1965 (isolation #273) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:03 pm

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How she treats her partners

The only clear pick based on that is fire atm
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Post Post #1967 (isolation #274) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:07 pm

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There's a few specific things I looked for that aren't present

There's no interaction patterns in this game that are clearly SvS for LLD

Even Firebringer ehh could be town

I'm not winning this game by scumhunting from here afaik
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #275) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:10 pm

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No?

I got keychain to powerlynch scum LLD in team mafia though
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Post Post #1971 (isolation #276) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:11 pm

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We're not really talking all that much right now, sorry
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Post Post #1972 (isolation #277) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:24 pm

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Last chance for anyone to object to the lynch order because it no one raises an objection good enough for me to reconsider right now the train is starting.
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Post Post #1974 (isolation #278) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:08 pm

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If it makes you feel better about not being top female townread I was going to ask you to dance until I felt like Sakura would benefit more from it
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Post Post #1976 (isolation #279) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:13 pm

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:oops:
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Post Post #1978 (isolation #280) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:19 pm

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I believe that DVa Short chibi Brian will be the last 4 people alive

I haven't assigned a lynch order, I think to do so would be lol
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Post Post #1980 (isolation #281) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:25 pm

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You disagree?
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #282) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:32 pm

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This game has too many not awful people for the locktown pairings to get lynched.
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #283) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:03 pm

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Wtf

Dunn is definitely the problem in your pairing Maria
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #284) » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:52 pm

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Afaik no one is voting gamma lol

It's all Firebringer
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Post Post #2043 (isolation #285) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:01 am

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it changes very little for me

the dva/shortaru pair is still at worst 1 town 1 scum
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Post Post #2048 (isolation #286) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:10 am

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i'm not even going off of that

i just really don't feel like dva/shortaru is scum vs scum
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Post Post #2078 (isolation #287) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:45 pm

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I believe in brianchibi
I believe in DVa/house not being scum v scum

But who do I vote today
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Post Post #2080 (isolation #288) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:13 pm

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You said that you would never dance with anyone but me yet now you've danced with both RB and Gamma

Get out of my sight
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Post Post #2106 (isolation #289) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:09 am

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Hi ND
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Post Post #2110 (isolation #290) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:26 am

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You're already dancing with DVa and the game is pretty much mechanically locked in at this point

Lynch 1/2 of fire pair and Maria pair today, me/Sakura nightkilled, lynch the other then sircakez or kokichi, then the other, if the game is not over Lynch your pairing
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Post Post #2112 (isolation #291) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:30 am

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VOTE: mariadunn
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Post Post #2114 (isolation #292) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:31 am

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More likely to convince town to not follow the general principle of not lynching the obvtown pairings so they go today imo
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Post Post #2120 (isolation #293) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:04 am

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All of their mothers wear army boots
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Post Post #2133 (isolation #294) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:06 am

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Basically like all the pairings that aren't chibiskies need to die and drewva39 needs to be lynched in 4 way if the game continues

I'm not finding it easy to care about doing anything beyond that and if I half ass a case it just makes it easier for scum to discredit the plan after I'm gone.
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Post Post #2134 (isolation #295) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:07 am

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Let's kill mariastral since Maria has expressed intent to not follow the plan and Firebringer is a freebie tomorrow
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Post Post #2136 (isolation #296) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:20 am

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Freebie as in free lynch not that he's 100% flipping scum.

I'm happy with what seems to me the natural lunch order in Maria -> Fire -> Cakes -> Kokichi -> DVa pairings
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #297) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:29 am

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I too am hungry and would love food
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Post Post #2140 (isolation #298) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:34 am

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I think he could be scum maybe but I still don't think he's scum with you and that's what matters to me!
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Post Post #2143 (isolation #299) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:44 am

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Lolololooololololol
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #300) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:45 am

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I think LLD would know better than to want to pair with town and be at threat of being walked out on so I think dunnstral is scum
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Post Post #2145 (isolation #301) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:47 am

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From there fire > sircakez > kokichi > Maria as the likely scumbuddies

Trend towards thinking mala and Celestia are town
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Post Post #2147 (isolation #302) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:49 am

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Hmm let's read our last game together
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Post Post #2180 (isolation #303) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:10 pm

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Hey dunnstral I have had exactly one scumread this game and they flipped scum

So if you're actually town and not just scum posturing to discredit me, shut the fuck up.
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Post Post #2182 (isolation #304) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:13 pm

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So I do and my reads this far this game have been pretty good!
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Post Post #2185 (isolation #305) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:19 pm

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If I thought that lynching her forwarded a town win condition despite her herself being town I'd have lynched her anyway, I'd just have phrased it differently.
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Post Post #2187 (isolation #306) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:23 pm

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I think you discrediting my push on LLD was scum you parroting something that LLD said in scum PT.
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Post Post #2191 (isolation #307) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:29 pm

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That's actually a joke

I hard townread you in 827 despite you being absolutely worthless
You claim that I townread you in the xyzzy game but I was scumreading you and literally only said you weren't scum with Majiffy who I wasn't even scumreading when I left.
Hard townread you in fallout to the point of getting pissed you got mislynched.

So no your fantasy universe is a joke and can be kept out of this game.

I am sure on my strategy to win. Every single town game I've played this year with only 1 exception where my reads weren't super good I've been dead on and when I've lost I've lost because I've gotten fucked by dumbasses ignoring my reads and doing their own thing after I was clearly nightkilled for a reason. So no you're not going to guilt trip me into feeling bad for lynching a slot that is encouraging people to ignore my reads and I think both your heads have non-zero scum equity with LLD, yours especially.
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Post Post #2193 (isolation #308) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:32 pm

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Scums literal only path to victory is to convince people to ignore me and the three of you are doing your utmost to make that a reality so I'm fine checking out and calling you all scum and not feeling guilty if you're not, yeah?
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Post Post #2195 (isolation #309) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:38 pm

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Trying to lose this game is a dick move as well.
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Post Post #2199 (isolation #310) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:41 pm

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You try to win this game by not sabotaging the overall plan that makes sense and both you and Maria have advocated sabotaging the plan so from where I'm standing you're not trying to win the game, you're at best trying to assert your individuality over trying to win and at worst are just scum.
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Post Post #2201 (isolation #311) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:44 pm

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In post 2198, Dunnstral wrote:mean, it's not a fantasy universe though, you're just sort of delusional and only see your own play in the most positive light
I was right on you our last 3 games I am 100% sure if you search through laser tag instead of cherry picking you can find where I make it clear that my townread was solely associatives and you still want to discredit me.

I powerlynched the person who at one point was considered top scum on this site twice now with no mislynches on her besides the last dance where she literally refused to let me sort her and you're still shit talking me in the same game.

No one but me would get attacked this much with my success record so frankly I don't give a fuck what you have to say about my gameplay.
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Post Post #2202 (isolation #312) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:44 pm

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This conversation is over Dunn.
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Post Post #2212 (isolation #313) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:58 pm

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That is an awful wagon
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #314) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:00 pm

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It's really easy for scum to convince you to follow them because they tell you what you want to hear instead of the truth.
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Post Post #2217 (isolation #315) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:02 pm

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Because it leaves the people who are going to lynch the locktown pair and throw the game alive and doesn't lynch any high equity scum slots early. Bad.
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Post Post #2219 (isolation #316) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:03 pm

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I'm saying that telling you my reads are better than yours doesn't make friends but it's the truth whereas scum convincing you to lynch town get to be all sexy and exciting.
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Post Post #2286 (isolation #317) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:23 pm

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still happy with my vote

that's still both people in the conftown pairing happy with the same lynch

that's still all of the members of the 2 pairings most likely to contain most of the scum refusing to vote themselves or each other

so yea
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Post Post #2290 (isolation #318) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:30 pm

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you left your options open on scumreading brian skies and given that i'm conftown calling me a liar is a pretty pointless thing to do.
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Post Post #2291 (isolation #319) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:30 pm

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i bluntly have better things to do than spend all of my spare time on this game, i caught us the first scum and if people want to ignore the rest of my reads that's not on me.
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Post Post #2312 (isolation #320) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:00 pm

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tbh the biggest reason I want your pair dead is that i sincerely doubt that LLD's "the four of us" post only involves town and her and i think sircakez has the highest town equity of the group
i think maria could be the scum instead of you possibly but killing you two and getting townflips basically confscums cakez and even that i think is unlikely, i think we're getting at least one scum killing you/maria and i'm not rly that sure of who it is
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Post Post #2313 (isolation #321) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:01 pm

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also dunn you can't read maria. that's an objective fact. she would agree with me on that. so don't say that you can. at least maria's ability to read you has some ability to sway me in a different situation
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Post Post #2315 (isolation #322) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:06 pm

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In post 710, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 705, RadiantCowbells wrote:dunn is in my shortlist of DVa partners rn and you don't like my other contenders

maria/cakes is fine as a pairing to me but moreso because i'm not especially sure either are town

think sircakez got a lot of really easy townreads

notably i do think maria is town but i think it will be impossible to convince town to put her in a top 4 pairing
I'll make them see the light. I'm not wavering on Maria town, she's 100% lock for game I've seen this done this it's in the fucking bag.

Trust me here, if you want a good partner for Dva, I think Kokichi looks fucking baller.

Something like...

LLD/Dunn
Maria/Cakez
Dva/Kokichi

and then go...

Karmeleon/Moment
Short/Chibi
Gamma/Fire
Brian/Celestia

Leave out Mala.
In post 288, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I think Maria<->Cakez is a good pairing.

I also think Dunnstral<->LLD is a good pairing.

Because frankly 1) I think all four of those names are town now seeing their posting

and 2) I think all four of those names are entirely unafraid of killing themselves to kill the other if they get the slightest hint of them being scum.

I do want to run it by other people's reads, specifically interested in our confirmed town's perspective on things, but yeah I think those are a few good pairings.
these both make me extremely uncomfortable

i doubt lld would bother to micromanage tvt pairings and i think that LLD's fetish for you is strongly indicative of either you or maria being scum (either she wants to break up you/maria because maria's scared of pairing with you or she wants to get with you to prevent herself being walked out on.)
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Post Post #2317 (isolation #323) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:07 pm

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like she clearly planned around these pairings. why these pairings in particular? if you and maria are town and cakez is the scum what is the endgame here? not wanting dunn/maria to turn on each other, maaaybe? but even then it only makes sense if cakez is scum so flipping two town here at worst gives us obvscum in sircakez.
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Post Post #2320 (isolation #324) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:11 pm

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and that's also why I was thinking about the odds of LLD anticipating me catching her super quickly, because if she was playing to win the game with her alive (which she by everything I can tell seems to have) then I'm definitely right on my read on this but if she expected me to murder her than she'd have set something up in terms of the pairings to try to mislead but I have seen no evidence that she expected me to derptunnel her so.
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Post Post #2325 (isolation #325) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:14 pm

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i paired with her because i told her flat out i could easily read her if she played with me
in the dance thread she said fuck off you can't read me i refuse to engage with you at all so I suicided, and even then i didn't suicide to take her out i suicided to make a point of firebringer being scum.

we have been TvT in 2 games where she did not completely refuse to work with me and I openly hard townread her in one and never gave a read on her in the other (but I did townread her)
the other game she was scum, team mafia, i absolutely murdered her.

my read on her is p reliable whether she believed it before this game or not.
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Post Post #2326 (isolation #326) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:16 pm

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that said i think that the play here is to kill mariastral and if double town then we have very good odds that cakez/mala gets us a scums
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Post Post #2365 (isolation #327) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:27 pm

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viewtopic.php?p=9475012#p9475012

and read all the following posts

so maybe

YOU don't lie to make me seem worse than I am

and I don't have to correct you when you say absolute fucking garbage

fuck you dunnstral i'm never playing mafia with you again.
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Post Post #2366 (isolation #328) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:28 pm

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viewtopic.php?p=9475016#p9475016

in case you're too lazy to scroll down, my second post after leaving the dance
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Post Post #2367 (isolation #329) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:29 pm

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literally every post i made after leaving the dance was about how firebringer needed to die

i wouldn't have stepped out had LLD not been refusing to engage me, yes, but fundamentally I stepped out to get Shiro to leave the dance and the evidence is all there in the thread

YOU chose to change what happened in your mind because people refuse to see good of me no matter what I do.
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Post Post #2368 (isolation #330) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:41 pm

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LIKE NONE OF THE 3 OF YOU ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND READ THE GAME BUT YOU ALL INSISTED THAT I WAS LYING ABOUT SOMETHING I WAS OBVIOUSLY TRUTHFUL ABOUT.
DUNNO MAYBE ITS NOT ME THAT HAS THE PROBLEM WITH LYING ABOUT WHAT I'VE DONE, MAYBE YOU GUYS JUST DONT WANT TO GIVE ME AN OUNCE OF CREDIT FOR A POUND OF SUCCESS.
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Post Post #2370 (isolation #331) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:44 pm

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Yes, I was going to step out before endgame anyway. My partner was not communicating so she had to go before endgame. The specific timing of it was to get you killed and even a cursory read of the game shows that
so either you are cherry picking quotes to make me look bad or you are too fucking stupid to read a thread and I really don't think you're too fucking stupid to read a thread so I'm going to assume malicious intent.

Subject: Midsummer Night's Revelry - [Game Over]
RadiantCowbells wrote:@Shiro I'm town. If you're town please step out of the dance.

If I can't get Fire lynched now I'm just going to step out to confirm that I'm town to get you to lynch him.
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Post Post #2372 (isolation #332) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:45 pm

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No really you can stop ignoring the fucking army of posts where i was calling you scum and saying you had to die and pick the 1 post where I talked about how I also needed to leave because of LLD.
Which, me needing to leave because of LLD doesn't mean I have any timer to leave. Needing Shiro to step the fuck out of the game and not have bad lynches made that weren't based on your flip? that had a timer.

and if you had any ounce of intellectual honesty regarding that game what i'm saying is an obvious fact particularly given the sheer # of posts where i talk about you being scum, but its okay you're being a fucking asshole to me i'm used to it
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Post Post #2373 (isolation #333) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:46 pm

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In post 2371, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2368, RadiantCowbells wrote:LIKE NONE OF THE 3 OF YOU ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND READ THE GAME BUT YOU ALL INSISTED THAT I WAS LYING ABOUT SOMETHING I WAS OBVIOUSLY TRUTHFUL ABOUT.
DUNNO MAYBE ITS NOT ME THAT HAS THE PROBLEM WITH LYING ABOUT WHAT I'VE DONE, MAYBE YOU GUYS JUST DONT WANT TO GIVE ME AN OUNCE OF CREDIT FOR A POUND OF SUCCESS.
i will tell u the same thing i have always told u in the thousand plus conversations with you i have had.

u are good but u let ur ego get in the way.

i am not even accusing u of lying ur memory of events often has some revisionist aspect of it and i think its ur ego doing it to u.
u just lied about the past to make me look worse then accused me of having a revisionist aspect so idk just stop talking to me.
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Post Post #2375 (isolation #334) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:48 pm

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Can we get some people who aren't being assholes to read from here

viewtopic.php?p=9472640#p9472640

and get some stances on whether it's completely fucking apparent why I stepped out when I did?
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Post Post #2376 (isolation #335) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:49 pm

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Like is it remotely believable that they are incapable of reading comprehension or are they just really all trying to shit on me for no reason?

@dunn you said that you weren't treating brian skies as confirmed town, that is questioning the plan given the plan involves brian skies going to endgame, only thing I care to respond to there.
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Post Post #2383 (isolation #336) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:52 pm

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In post 2374, Dunnstral wrote:And really? You have a serious problem with changing what happened in your own mind. Like, you hard townread me all game in fallout? Really?
Literally all game? no. but I had you as town in mid-late D2 and that's what I said. Let me go consult what I actually said to make sure that's what I said, but it's a fact.
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Post Post #2389 (isolation #337) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:55 pm

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Ok so if I have a read at one point and then I realize it's wrong and change it... i'm still wrong?
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Post Post #2405 (isolation #338) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:03 pm

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i came out and said why I'm voting dunn/maria it's fundamentally based onn associative

you are in some sense correct that my push on you has been intellectually dishonest but my pushes are always intellectually dishonest because the real reasons I push people aren't sexy and enticing and it does NOT mean that my play is incorrect. this is something that you should be used to and using it as an attack on me is ??? given that I claimed Ventriloquist was scum because they posted 3 times consecutively even though notepad obviously exists. sometimes the real reasons people are scum aren't enticing to people and it's easier to just lie and not have to explain why something that to the untrained eye is NAI is super telling. the fact that LLD was super set on those Dunn/LLD and Cakez/Maria pairings is super telling, and to me it was super obvious that 1 of the 3 was the case. I do not believe her just randomly setting up TvT pairings makes much sense because if everyone is town, dunn/maria softconfirming each other helps LLD stay alive but Cakez/Maria reaches endgame first and LLD hasn't set a paper trail for defending her buddies, so the Maria/cakez pairing is far more likely to reach endgame because Maria at the end could easily convince Dunn to leave and LLD would know that.

So, in terms of scum pairings either

1) LLD wanted Maria paired with Cakez to keep scum him alive and wanted Dunn with him so maria/dunn could each get pocketed by one scum and townbin each other and they'd win together

least likely

or 1/2 of

1) LLD wanted to be paired with scum!Dunn and was worried that Maria would suss something was up potentially and really pushed for that pairing and also set someone up for Maria to make her happy
2) LLD wanted to keep Scum!Maria and Town!Dunn apart so she hard tried to steal Dunn as a partner so that she could prevent a Maria/Dunn pairing that scum evidently felt would end up backfiring on Maria.

That's why I think you need to die as a pairing, you cover 2/3 of the explanations for why LLD was obsessed with dunnstral and why her pairings were what they were.
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Post Post #2408 (isolation #339) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:05 pm

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Like you say that you're not angry but what cause do you really have to be angry. you started attacking me for calling you scum and I eventually retaliated.
i'm not only angry because having all my accomplishments discredited and unrecognized is so, so standard of MS these days that it barely even registers, i'm more pissed because it comes from people i consider friends.
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Post Post #2409 (isolation #340) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:05 pm

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maybe you're not, then.
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Post Post #2411 (isolation #341) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:07 pm

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My LLD interaction reasoning supersedes any of my player reads. I thought and still think by play both of you are more likely to be town and I'll hold to that even if you both flip scum but I think it's more likely I'm wrong on my reads on you guys than my reads on LLD. And if it's just Cakez then sure it's just Cakez but this has to happen before endgame.
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Post Post #2429 (isolation #342) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:16 pm

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My ego doesn't need saving after what I've already done this game. I just want to make the play that i think wins this the largest % of the time and at this junction I think its you but feel free to keep making it personal and attacking

and maria fire is scum near 100% of the time, certainly if you aren't.
I know 1 is untrue and think 2 is an unlikely scenario

Didn't you just say I couldn't read Maria? That that was an objective fact?

Why do you think 2 is a likely scenario?
Maria may have possibly felt you would have consistently read her as scum regardless of what she did, i know she feels that way about a lot of people.
so yeah, what's the point? You're not proposing a pairing over brian? you're just kinda grumpy about it or what?[/quote[

The implicitly suggested pairing is dunn/maria goes to endgame given that no other has been suggested and lolno.
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Post Post #2457 (isolation #343) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:32 pm

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her problem is it comes from me.
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Post Post #2468 (isolation #344) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:39 pm

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that's the fucking problem???? that you're going to try to get you two to endgame over a pairing that's actually locktown. i consider dva/short to be locktown as well.

you don't have to be scumread to clearly be not as townie as other pairings and dunn isn't going to turn on you so we have to lynch you while your lynch is possible.

that simple.
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Post Post #2641 (isolation #345) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:29 am

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the death knell for shortaru was that his amazing job faking being a newbie unravelled when he got banned
but even then he wasn't in my endgame pairing. but still, whoops for townreading him.

sry if my approach to this game was antifun or whatever.
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Post Post #2642 (isolation #346) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:29 am

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In post 2640, SirCakez wrote:LLD you did a good job leaving false associatives, nearly won the game for scum with all the town pairs that got lynched
brianskies/chibi was always endgame tho so lynching every town pair in between meant nothing
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Post Post #2644 (isolation #347) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:31 am

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In post 2626, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:regardless of either of our alignments tbh.
when i was undecided on your alignment i went out of your way to get a pairing that you agreed with, ftr.
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Post Post #2645 (isolation #348) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:35 am

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btw momeleon would have replaced dva/short as tier 2 pairing if it had happened

moment was always locktown to me and karmeleon/lld associatives weren't svs
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Post Post #2647 (isolation #349) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:40 am

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and uh yeah i guess the gameplan for scum was to keep mariastral apart because scum knew they would probably mutual tr and not suicide on each other
but yeah i trusted in chibi/brian more than dunn/maria

i guess my approach to that pairing specifically was pretty shitty given that i didn't actually scumread either head but meh
They were always t2 after I rejected your suggestion to pair with short at t2 and you eventually downgraded me :P
By the end i was sure you were town again if that helps, i think i just underplaced chibi until minor things made me start doubting you because she was in your face town
my bad on not letting you pair karmeleon i guess.
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Post Post #2648 (isolation #350) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:48 am

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i kept having sporadic bad feelings about your pairing in the midgame and i kept errantly attributing them to you i guess? so welp. my bad.
endgame plan still worked but i'm not happy about my performance this game even if 2/3 of my scumreads were scum and my locktown pair was town.
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Post Post #2649 (isolation #351) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:54 am

Post by RadiantCowbells »

if it makes you feel better LLD I got literally nothing from your ISO besides Fire!scum despite going to a great length in search of partner tells and Fire had self sabotaged already, so.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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