The Fifth Fortnight (Game Over!)

[Gorkington]

vote: xyzzy

ezzy $$$$

I'm pretty sure Errant's town this game

no u

[Gorkington]

Everyone follow me!

why should i follow you
you just claimed scum
i think thats pretty untrustworthy
if you think about it

wow, rude much?

wow, rude much?

wow, rude much?

man four scumclaims on page one this game is ezzy

[Gorkington]

sorry bub
i dont understand dog

[Gorkington]

cake is boring.
way to be boring cake.

S a v a g e

YoU wOnT bElIeVe WhAt ThIs SkElEtOn SaId tO tHiS dOg

[Gorkington]

Boring is xyzzy votes
Fire votes are what's hip

xyzzy votes are

PRODUCTIVE

unlike your bland vanilla af cakey boring vote.

kill it with more fire.

see but now what happens if other people start memeing.

[Gorkington]

truly a fate worse than death

[Gorkington]

Did you ignore my openning post?!

how many people do you think are going to end up shooting you this game?


p-edit: ok
maybe
slightly
becoming
possibly
receptive to voting cake
if he makes more boring-tier posts.

[Gorkington]

vote: sircakez

pagebottom.

[Gorkington]

possibly moreso that it seems like hes posting for the sake of posting, rather than actually trying to accomplish anything.

[Gorkington]

if its this one:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77242
then
hard no?
because his opening that game has way more intent in the first five posts than literally any post hes made this entire game so far.

[Gorkington]

lol.

[Gorkington]

where is Titus

this is a jokepost

what is old people times mafia

its referring to old people preferring mafia a different way from new people.

now tell me what SUPER IMPORANT game-relevant info was it
that you were hoping to get out of asking these questions
and then reiterating that you really wanted them answered

[Gorkington]

why does it seem like you dont care about who is or isnt scum in any of your posts yet

[Gorkington]

i can give you my theory to that question if youd like

[Gorkington]

why assume I was trying to get game relevant info is my new question
P-edit: because we are on page three and half the game hasn't posted yet. I need more actual content. Up until this little conversation there had been little to judge.

if you were town i would assume by your 11th post without being poked that you would have at least one post with something that feels like your intention of trying to genuinely figure someone out or trying to genuinely move the gamestate in some kind of useful direction.
[especially since theres obviously precedent for you to open games a lot townier than you have here]

are you telling me that if i dig into your meta
im not going to find any instances of you trying to parse earlygame content where theres not as much substance? because from just xyzzy's game the difference is like night and day to here.

Also if we're in the demanding content game what changed in between these posts?

i was bored and i liked xy's insistence that his reads were right the more i sat with it.

are you sure its me you want to pretend to sort?

p-edit: im offended im not #1.
D:

[Gorkington]

at least im voting scum u scrub

[Gorkington]

tbh ya
my most compelling argument that youre scum
is that your name is scumcakez

[Gorkington]

see
for a 1v1 to work
you have to call me scum first
(;

[Gorkington]

why waste your time questioning and 1v1ing someone you think is town rather than trying to sort question marks?

p-edit: at least im not using dead memes as my opening!
claiming scum on page 1 is so blasé

[Gorkington]

if youd like me to stop playing the game i could just close mafiascum for a day or two?

[Gorkington]

If he was town he'd be at least a little bit funny

now hes just going to be not funny to try to be funny why would you say this.
:'(

p-edit: nah my expectations for your towngame are too low now (;

[Gorkington]

cake is still scum do you think im that dumb that i would forget that overnight?
lol

[Gorkington]

why stir the pot when theres a perfectly good wagon on scum that people are going to eventually get distracted from by something shiny/dumb
forget about
and then 30 pages later we lynch dumbtown
and the scum we had flees
and the goodscum wins?

lets do fortnight 3 instead of fortnight 4.

[Gorkington]

the wanting the game to be worthwhile sentiment kind of townleans but otherwise
meh?
theres not really much to read when hes mostly just been joking around.

[Gorkington]

i dont get why you keep signing up for this game specifically with the intent of trying to lynch or shoot me regardless of anything i say.
lol.

[Gorkington]

no, santa paws

[Gorkington]

Second, i'm not trying lynch you, it just my way to ease into games - RVS vote someone i played in past.

meh, was probably a lame reaction on my part.
im still kind of frustrated that you shot me last game (':

p-edit: shoshin are you still standing behind your cake townread?

[Gorkington]

i need a favour:

can you please either -
pull me what you would qualify as genuine looking scumhunting from him so far this game in your eyes?

or

if you think there isnt any, talk at my face about why you dont think it looks wonky for him to have not had any genuine looking scumhunting so far?

[Gorkington]

Also, xyzzy just finished modding a game where town Cakez started the game off the same, mostly posting for the sake of posting.

also if you have time, some examples of comparable posts would be appreciated.

[Gorkington]

Then we can call it even

i guess we're stuck being friends now.
fuck.

putting aside that cakez is badposting and the wagon is deserved, why is it wonky to not be genuinely scumhunting

i think posts for the sake of posting are scummy, especially when it comes from someone who ordinarily doesnt really make posts like that as town.
and i also want to clarify that theres a definite difference between jokeposts, conversational posts and then posts that are just.. there and thats it. to me it just reads like the person wanted to post to have posts that are in the game, possibly because they feel uncomfortable with their posting earlygame/uncomfortable with their posts in general.


let me just illustrate with literal examples.
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people who hate meta look away scary meta is in here dont look please

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Spoiler: example of towncake opening

VOTE: RADIANTCOWBALLS
OMGUS

IM BACK
IN MAFBLACK
THE BEST THEME

VOTE: Porkens

I'm just gonna be cruising and following along for a bit.

VOTE: skitter
Shoshin is right, that wall post on page 4 was ugly. I still dislike the pig too though.

Gamma's logic for Nos town is garbo, especially when you look at how experienced Nos is.

Skitter giving up and following RC so fast sketch af
Creature being a nonpresence is always worrying too.

Spoiler: example of scumcake opening

VOTE: Heartless
Zombies don't have hearts.

@Radja - V/LA until March 16
Sorry to have to go V/LA right at the game start

I nearly voted them to actually put them at L-1 too, that could have been bad.

VOTE: Beeboy
Wtf

Spoiler: this game

SECOND

Here goes my Tuesday night

VOTE: spiffeh
Plebian

VOTE: fire
How kind of the scums to claim so early

nope
the cake is not boring

i understand the reference point for the scumgame is old but the towngames still read more or less the same way at around that time too.
the jokeposts are way less pointless and it ramps up so fucking hard from that to him actually trying to gamesolve.
like.
so fast.
and look at the reasoning hes giving.
like, someone who is capable of deriving that kind of reasoning for someone being scum that early is not going to react to this game the way he is here.
cake would find something to be poking at by now.
instead hes just sitting on a reasonless easy CES vote, asking me questions, instead of him.

the difference between him and firebringer and spiff joking around is that its pretty par for the course for my expectations of them.
whereas given what ive seen from towncake comparatively on a dive really just doesnt match here at all. it seriously reads as night and day and i rarely get that level of confidence off of tone.
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okay you can look again whew that was a close one

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his reaction to being pressured is mostly just why me fry me, where i think i would feel more genuine oomph behind his annoyance if he were town.
like, this reads so much like "this is unfair!!!" rather than "youre wrong!!!" and that distinction feels meaningful to me?

theres also that when ive been pressured as scum, ill typically try to focus on the semantics and fret over the person scumreading me because it seems like its content and i feel like thats what cake is doing here.

even beyond the fretting over my push; nothing cake's done, [including the really weak/easy vote on ces without anything in terms of pressure or questioning to suggest he actually cares about what ces's alignment is], has really struck me as someone who really cares about who is or isnt scum [and like ive already said i really think towncake cares about that in general, even at page 7]

[Gorkington]

honestly maybe a better way of phrasing it is that i think that the jokeposts read way more as forced as a way for him to cope with the earlygame when theres not as much obvious content for him to jump on.

[Gorkington]

thanks mickey i guess ur alright too

[Gorkington]

like, ep, to be clear, im honestly so confident about this read that ive been sitting here today contemplating whether it would be better to hardpush this and just end the day now
and waffling on specifically on whether i want to be the kind of asshole required to make it happen.
:')

[Gorkington]

it probably says something about me that i havent really even been thinking about that contingency as a possibility.
>.>

[Gorkington]

i would find it really difficult to argue that this was your towngame relative to direct references to TAZ mafia too, dont blame you for giving up.
(:

[Gorkington]

okay nah ill try to tone down the smugboy attitude because i would probably hate being in your position right now as scum and in the off chance im wrong then yeah im being dumb.
either way, im being lame.

ill pick at your response if you decide to make it.
but consider me pretty incredulous that youre acting this indignant to pressure given the way youve been playing so far if you are town.

[Gorkington]

shoshin can you link me your most recent scumgame?
cant find one and dont have time to go hunting for it atm.

[Gorkington]

What concerns you about my play?

moreso suspect you of being stubborn town
and just want to confirm that hard defending partners isnt something you would feel like doing as scum in general.

[Gorkington]

if the way im playing is bothering you so much i can leave?

[Gorkington]

Gorkington's case is outstanding bus'ing. Both are scum.

im entirely willing to help you lose me the game dont worry
(;

[Gorkington]

I am kuribo wizard of the 12th realm of Ephysiyies. Master of Light and Shadow, Manipulator of Magical Delights, Devourer of Chaos, Champion of the Great Halls of Terr'Akkas. The elves know me as Fi'ang Yalok, the dwarves know me as Zoenen Hoogstandjes and I am known in the Northeast as Gaismuenas Meistar.

[Gorkington]

Dreaming about tossing you in a trash heap for what you did in Transformers. : )

btw Zora banned spamposting in this game so as to deter from getting modkilled I'm gonna be playing by my alternate style otherwise known as powerlurking pls don't tempt me to post ty

can you please stop doubleposting and spamming the game?

***rethinking***

the scumputer is still processing?

I think cakez is mislynch bait

i kind of think you would think any wagon i was pushing in any game as mislynchbait unless it was mastina.
(;

I want to unpack Cakez' response to the wagon on him, but it'll require more in-depth look than I have right this second.

whenabouts is this happening?

[Gorkington]

part of xy's game involves trying to parse people.
its harder to parse people when they vote without explaining themselves or at least inferring some kind of reasoning.
[granted i think there are other people to voice that complaint with right now too]

p-edit: nah xy's pretty town.

[Gorkington]

couldnt someone make the same argument for why you would be scum? what makes dgb special?

[Gorkington]

it's not the presumptive HOW DARE YOU of caught scum, but more the "oh fuck this" exasperation.

can i get more words on this?
i feel like the exact opposite would be more likely in the case of cake
where a really convincingly angry reaction would make sense from townhim being pushed in a way he sees as unfair,
rather than a "this is bs these reasons for scumreading me are the wrong reasons people should be scumreading me this is all so unfair" reaction which just feels like scum squirming to me?

[Gorkington]

your sugary cupcake threats unphase me, sorry.

[Gorkington]

i also have a super secret second scumread who's probably scum with cake, so at least i have that if people decide to pants head.
secrets are so much fun.

[Gorkington]

id like to think im right and ur wrong because that would make me feel smart.

[Gorkington]

Ok. Who do you suspect is scum atm.

he already said cake what more do you want of him!?!?

[Gorkington]

Gork as a scum

its okay fish not all reads can be winners.

[Gorkington]

my reasoning for cake being scum is groundbreaking.

[Gorkington]

ces is pretty par for the course for this game in terms of my experience with him.
not to say hes town, but that hes someone that is basically impossible to read through play alone early on.
guy is succinct and smart.

can look at the 3rd fortnight for a reference point for a direct reference to his townplay in this setting.

[Gorkington]

granted he is arguably more succinct here than he was there.
tbh im a little disappointed that it seems like most of the older players arent really interested in the game.

p-edit:

Why keep these secret but say you have them? It accomplishes nothing.

secrets
are
fun.

[Gorkington]

cake u admit to being scum and ill tell u who i think ur partner is
(;

[Gorkington]

I think pretty much all of the active players are town (Errant,

xyzzy

, shoshin,

Gork

, you, kuribo, Fish)

words on these ones would be appreciated btw.

[Gorkington]

so you dont think scum would be whiteknighting you right now to try to look good for when they flee?

p-edit: 0:

[Gorkington]

for when a partner flees* zzzz.

[Gorkington]

I don't see what you're saying.
If I'm lynched if anything it will look worse on the people defending me b/c it could seem like they are scum with inside info, no? Since the general consensus seems to be I'm scum.

why would defending a mislynch be worse optics than the naked votes?

[Gorkington]

like, youre sitting here saying weird absolutes like "scum wouldnt defend a mislynch" and "the scum are in the lurkers and naked voters", when it should reasonably be a possibility to you that a scumteam is likely to have a combination of playstyles in it. %age-wise, sure, its more likely that scum is entirely within lurkers right now, but i dont really think its a great argument behavior-wise. its very surface level to be thinking about the game in terms of some broad absolute "hmmm scum and town are in these piles because of these behaviors" rather than actually analyzing people's behaviors SPECIFICALLY. there are posts that these players are making that you could be picking at or using as examples for why you think theyre town and youre instead holding up weird abstract general statements as to why you think a bunch of people are town or scum.

p-edit: nah.

[Gorkington]

im gonna go back to jokeposting before firebringer starts trying to make me feel like shit for taking the game seriously again.

so uh.. farts and stuff, right guys?

[Gorkington]

most of the posts in which you do so have the opposite effect man >.>
i would rather you just remind me to be civil if im getting mean? joking about it just makes it seem like youre making fun of how seriously im taking the game.

[Gorkington]

s'all good im just a big baby.
we collectively know this about me.

[Gorkington]

?? who isnt playing to their wincon?

[Gorkington]

both times ive played in it one of the scum was very active and driving the gamestate
while the other was i) a lurker and ii) trying to play slightly under the radar because he hates scum [ :3 ]

that doesnt even suggest that there HAS to be an active and inactive scum here.
it just means that its not reasonable to guess scum's behavior in a broad sense because people generally play scum differently.

[Gorkington]

scum got lynched in the first game so there wasnt a flee, but in both games the less active player was under more suspicion.
would depend on the partnering.

[Gorkington]

i think he was under the impression that the threat of it would make it easier to find scum during the day via pressure/seeing reactions to it, thus making it not anti wincon.

[Gorkington]

dgb youre pretty familiar with kuribo, right?
do you have a read on his play so far this game?

[Gorkington]

its l-2.

[Gorkington]

kats is just frustrated that he cant bribe both spiff and i

[Gorkington]

If Cakez is not scum at least one is on his wagon right now, otherwise they would have already L-1'd and hammered.

whats your actual read on cake?
for someone who's been talking about the wagon a lot
you havent done a lot of talking about what you think of the wagoned person

i don't think i would qualify what spiffeh is doing as awkward but some of his posts were weird.
but maybe that is nitpicky.

are you actually feeling the vote youre making right now?
[actually asking for the answer btw, i promise im not just being snarky lol]

do you still think cake is mislynchbait?

I was hoping to see more, he was exceptionally subdued and rational... very... serene.

did that strike you as alignment indicative one way or another in general?
can i get an update on your read on cake?
and do you have much experience with firebringer in general in terms of what his townplay vs his scumplay looks like?

I lied I just wanna say I'm really vibing with all the let's just kill something posts

the fastest way to kill things in this game is currently cake.
can you give a read on him pls?

Hi

I'm replacing kuribo

I have plans tonight but will catch up tomorrow

hi reck!
hope ur doing good and stuff.
also im holding you accountable for this!
(:

[Gorkington]

i would agree in terms of momentum

but cake is still scum?

[Gorkington]

i dont know you well enough to be down to play.

who is scum mewtaph.

[Gorkington]

@mew

,
like,
most of the people playing hard to get this game are at least somewhat still playing the game.

if youre town and just continually playing coy, can you just replace out so we can get an actual slot to parse?

[Gorkington]

I have a TR on Cakes.

why

[Gorkington]

did i say i was townreading you?
S:

given that i didnt and havent ever alluded to reasoning for townreading you
can you just explain your townread on him instead of being abstract?

[Gorkington]

we could have just lynched on page 5 and ended up in the same place.
:v

[Gorkington]

ces is able to play well as both town and scum.
him lurking out isnt particularly AI, just kind of suggests that he isnt really interested in the game.

and it really isnt hard to understand why given that cake feels like obvious scum to half the playerlist, there isnt much of a serious comprehensive push to try to wagon someone else and most of the playerlist isnt invested in the game.

honestly think the format of the game is working against us here.
the most protown move in any other game would be to just eliminate cakez and be done with it, but given that we only have one day theres some incentive to scumhunt beyond just cakez, but its hard to do so without dismantling the momentum on him and probably finding it really hard to rebuild it.

any pressure offered on another player without wagoning them will ring hollow because realistically the people on the cakewagon + ep & spiff are probably not changing our minds on cake and the rest of the playerlist doesnt have the energy/charisma to drive the rest of the gamestate.

i can sit here and try to scumhunt seriously, but im not going to be able to get past a scumread this strong to seriously try to parse the lurker portion of the playerlist.

cake just..
isnt town? like, i give credit to the fact that hes not giving up but he just really isnt trying to find scum in any of his posts. the CES push and his posts considering wagon Mew are really surface level and dont indicate that he actually feels like he believes that theres scum in there. i strongly believe he would be asking questions of people that look like theyre trying to pressure them into doing something.
hes really not seriously trying to parse the gamestate, its posturing for the sake of appearances.

im probably somewhat wasting my time trying to reiterate this reasoning given that most of the people who are unwilling to wagon cakez probably arent going to be convinced by my reasoning.
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bleh.
hopefully the reck catch-up that happens today hopefully breathes some new life into the game? [or we could just do the

mew's posting leaves a lot to be desired especially given what little ive dived of him. could at least be trying to directly engage more than just a single post.

[Gorkington]

[or we could just do the whole voting cake until hes dead thing]

ebwop

[Gorkington]

like, is it potentially productive to just make a pile of people who arent posting and have a bunch of us commit to shooting the shit out of the pile if they keep lurking?
idk what else to do lol

[Gorkington]

I like my CES vote but I don't think it will get any more momentum.

i dont really understand why tbh.
is there something beyond him just having done nothing this game?
because his scumgame can 100% be better than that, so its not as though he cant play better even as scum here.

if the logic is "hes playing badly because he can afford to" then i would have to think he either just completely doesnt care if he wins or loses or his partner must be in a really good position.
former logic applies if hes town.
latter logic requires a theory about who is in a good position that would be his partner.

because if cakez flips town after all this, pretty much everyone in the lurker pile is in open season via 14 shots, only one of which they can counter.
i would hate those odds as scum here as a pair of lurkers.

[Gorkington]

i would also appreciate it if cogito could step it up to previous fortnight levels if hes town here too.
im leaning moreso that hes being used as a scapegoat more than anything here and it would be helpful for scum to not be able to do that.

[Gorkington]

Is the best play to generate more content given how it's just unproductive to sit on Cakez for the entire day? Possibly.

i think people will be more comfortable with the cake wagon if the town lurkers step it up and start at least saying where their general head is at in terms of reads or at least letting us know that theres a thought process going on behind the lurking.

[Gorkington]

theres also that the scummiest town players should be worried about being the most shot player as theyll auto lose.

[Gorkington]

im glad our prs finally did something useful

[Gorkington]

{DrippingGoofball, SirCakez, Spiffeh, Cogito Ergo Sum}

can i get some words on why for these ones?

@marquis/reck

, ay where ya at yall.

@bbmolla

, can i get some words on why your second biggest scumread is dgb and whether you think shes likely partners with cake or not?

tyty in advance to all of you for the prompt responses.

[Gorkington]

lol.

[Gorkington]

think the AtE was looking better for you

[Gorkington]

thats shitty reck. hope you feel better soon.

[Gorkington]

i can give you a hint if you want ramcius

oof. havent done that in a while.

[Gorkington]

nah i asked him for his password and have been using his account every now and then.

[Gorkington]

ty for effortposting reck. <3

is cake town for you because you think the wagon is scum? because im not really seeing why you think hes town in your catch-up

[Gorkington]

is good content town though?

[Gorkington]

can you walk me through why bb went from probably town to your scumpile?
not sure i understand why his content on page 12 would have made you lean town where his later posting would suddenly make you feel differently.

[Gorkington]

i dont think your posts are garbage if it makes you feel better

[Gorkington]

hush you im trying to get townread

its working god dammit
you were probtown beforehands anyways though.
(:

[Gorkington]

you should probably take ramcius off your scumlist btw.
[and put cake back on it, hes not town man i promise, the AtE is scumAtE]

[Gorkington]

you dont want to sheep reck on ut after townreading him given that hes familiar with ut and is basically the same story as bbmolla?

[Gorkington]

Firebringer if it helps you can just remove me from your list of suspects and never consider I am anything other than town for the rest of the game?

how does it feel that half ur posts in this game are this post (:

[Gorkington]

"im so excited to talk with gork about his confbias when im WAY TOO IRRITATED by his push to even explain why im unable to convincingly case anything outside of people being lurkers this game when it was literally trivial for me to do so in another game that just finished with only 4-5 pages of content to work with"
sorry bud.
not buying the AtE even a little bit.

there isnt a shred of scumhunting in your ISO that i believe and i think if you were town you would be pretty aware as to why given the comparison points im looking at here.
the incredulousness does not add up even a little bit.

[Gorkington]

like, you straight up know that you cant compare this game against anywhere that youve actually been town because youd have to actually genuinely try to frame all of your pushes in other games against here and you know that it would make you look terrible to do so.

[Gorkington]

if you were demotivated town acting differently than you normally do you would understand the scumreads.
if you were playing like you normally do you would be scumhunting as per usual and you would be able to explain why my comparison is wrong.

neither of those things are happening.
its just woe is me why why is this happening
gork is so mean this is so unfair
scum is just lurking this isnt cool ughhhhhhh

[Gorkington]

I thought about maybe proposing a no lynch

....
no?????????????????????????????????

[Gorkington]

i feel like youre misunderstanding that the lynch is basically our best shot to collectively win the game.
a no lynch or mislynch drastically reduces each individual town's odds of winning dramatically.
throwing away that opportunity would be highly negative utility.

p-edit: yeah man adding in the context definitely makes it less of a bad idea. Lol.

[Gorkington]

do you not understand that lynching scum on d1 ends the game in a town win? because thats what happens if we lynch scum.

[Gorkington]

mislynching a lurker takes them out of the lynchpool and gives less space for scum to hide. theres no practical situation where mislynching is worse than no lynching.

it doesnt really matter because this is just theorytalk and i dont think youre scum pitching this.
shos should probably also understand that its more likely that town pitches something like that rather than scum given how immediately bad they should know it would make them look?

[Gorkington]

I really don't feel I am playing differently

what towngame of yours looks like this

[Gorkington]

town does stupid stuff? all the time? its literally why people in the NRG have to balance in town's favour to account for how stupid town is?

bright also has no need to draw attention to himself here given that the most plausible reaction to him saying that is someone pushing him the exact way youre pushing him right now.

[Gorkington]

Where are the scumgames that I've played like this, if you want to do the meta dance?

both of the walking deads? lol?

[Gorkington]

like, youre telling me youre playing normally, but it isnt immediately obvious to you what games youve played similarly to this that should make it clear that this is your towngame.
you understand why thats problematic right?

[Gorkington]

this isnt how you reacted to pressure when getting lynched in another game and you were still able to parse content regardless of whether you were being wagoned or not in other games.
and youre literally changing your story from "i feel like im playing normally" to "this is not normally how i play".

also, in regard to why bbmolla and ut are less egregious than you comes down to the quantity of posts theyve made lining up with their motivation level and those individual posts not pinging me.
someone who makes 90+ posts that have nothing that strikes me as genuine is pretty different than a lurky player who's at least standing behind a wagon they seem confident about.

[Gorkington]

think it was the fg game where you got mad at pie, but dont have time to hunt it down right now.
know youre going to say its WILDLY DIFFERENT but i think you recognize that 90% of the recent towngames youve had you were killed during the night which probably means you should have recognized something was different in this game immediately [especially since youre literally acknowledging that youre finding it hard to scumhunt which means that its clearly obvious to you that this game was different from most games lol]

i think anyone [including yourself] who looks at any towngame youve played should see a very obvious difference in the way youre playing to a degree that just isnt explainable by just "scum is probs lurking" and "i am being wagoned". even when you scumread lurkers in other games its not as though theyre all interchangeable. this game youre literally putting all of the lurkers in a pile and shrugging your shoulders at trying to parse any of them individually.

i understand theyre low content, but you literally call people scum/town off of individual posts in your towngames so im pretty sure you cant just write this off?

you would find something to parse as town here.
im pretty sure we both know that.

but i have to keep this song and dance going so that you dont AtE your way out of this wagon. lol.

p-edit: omfg no way
so he was lying when he said we might have the same secret scumreads?

[Gorkington]

after all we've been through
you go and do me like this?

we've come such a long way ramcius
and you just THROW IT ALL AWAY??

youve gone too far this time ramcius.
too.
far.
far too far.

you will regret the day you crossed me.
they will speak of this in song.
they will remember this day as a grim day for humanity.
they will know of it as the day that ramcius abandoned his friends in the name of spreading fear and terror through the hearts of all peoples of this world.

this is a tragedy of unparalleled proportions.
this is a dark day.
a hurtful moment for the human race as a whole.

i for one cant believe that its come to this.
can you?
i ask you as an audience to this audacity to come to the side of reason and hope once more. we must come together to fight for the freedom of all peoples.

what say you?

[Gorkington]

are you sure you dont want to try to case me as scum?
that could be a fun change of pace that might work better for you optically.

[Gorkington]

isnt that one of your alts?

[Gorkington]

ill send it in response to the rolePM for cupcake mafia II when you send me that

also heres a wallpost about cake being scum,
sorry for how big it is:

Spoiler:

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|___|cake is a scum|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|

[Gorkington]

Oh wow I thought scum needed 5 guesses to lose
I really misread the setup >.>

u being serious
or is this a joke

[Gorkington]

thought that you thought it was whoever had been shot the most before when youd reread the setup?
kind of skeevy that your interpretation changed.

[Gorkington]

I wonder if the AtE hounds will call this out?

did someone call for me?

[Gorkington]

“oh cakes was first wagon so he can’t be scum.”

oh wait shit cake was the first wagon wasnt he?
maybe he is town?
hm.

ill have to take that into consideration thanks for pointing that out bb.

[Gorkington]

ut is reck reading as town to you?

[Gorkington]

i too vote for every non-townread i have

[Gorkington]

lol.
appreciate the answer regardless.

[Gorkington]

if you guys want to gamethrow by shooting the easiest to sort player on the site just because i was wrong then by all means.

i put my guess in yesterday and told myself i wasnt going to stress myself too hard about parsing the rest of the gamestate cause i was feeling pretty shitty about the flip but apparently people need me to try again so that they dont dumbshoot me???????

will have access to a computer tonight.

[Gorkington]

So, accuse Gork?

given the immediate reaction to the flip and the fact that three people shot me last year after hardpushing the lynch as town
yeah obviously firebringer and i were feeling super good about this gamestate

Pedit
marquis.

[Gorkington]

given that four people said they were going to shoot me, yes. Zzzz

[Gorkington]

itt:
people who havent declared their current accusation preference
asking other people to
(':

[Gorkington]

All I'll say is I'd prefer you win.

a better reaction than your reaction to the shot
but like
you spent a lot of this game doing things that i feel like you reasonable could do as scum
and you feel very plausible as a partner.

any chance im seeing anything from you before the 28th thatll change my mind or nah?

[Gorkington]

probably still keely

i at least get a consolation prize of knowing that if youre town, i at least had better reads than katsuki this game
(;

[Gorkington]

currently considering marquis and shoshin

im kind of at a similar place?
im trying really hard not to read too hard into shoshin stoking the flames on the whole shoot me thing and then disappearing, but its still bothering me.
>.>

[Gorkington]

dangit i misread the formatting of your list.

[Gorkington]

i feel like someday you're going to underplay as scum just to match this meta youre creating of your towngame.
even if it doesnt really make sense for you to do so here.

[Gorkington]

this is fine

[Gorkington]

wow well done gork and marq

I didn't really enjoy this game for obvious reasons

i think this is the most ive ever been surprised by a townflip. even if im ever this confident again ill try to make sure im not this ruthless about it.