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i dislike most times people ask other people the vague "what are your reads", in large part because as personally as scum before i've done basically just that and just talked to people and it seems to get one townread for no real effort or solving. i also think that leaving people to give their own reads unprompted is far, far more revealing of their alignment than prompting them to do something.
i have an inkling of who you are so i expect that we'll have philosophical differences on these sorts of things. let's not turn it into some huge debate, shall we?
im not entirely understanding where your coming from on skitter, its not a confirmed villa but it's towny enough for page one. do you think that skitter is a wolf?
no, i obviously don't think skitter is scum. "towny enough for page one" doesn't really mean a lot to me, i was just disagreeing with your reasoning. do you have some sort of problem with that?
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Post #37 (isolation #6) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:40 am
Postby northsidegal »
because i agree with his reasoning? obviously not as strongly as he does given that i haven't healed you while he has, but given your seeming enthusiasm i would agree that it's more likely to come from town than scum.
that's something of a strange question to parse, really. do you expect me to have the same opinion as skitter or something?
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Post #40 (isolation #7) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:49 am
Postby northsidegal »
i mean, there's really not much to elaborate
on
as of now and i would prefer to let people play without the influence of whatever i have to say
saying anything about my scumreads now is neither convincing enough to get them lynched nor reliable enough for me to want to lynch them nor do i believe it is helpful in my ability to read them better later (the opposite of that, in fact)
In post 48, TesXX wrote:This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)
why?
what made that worth pointing out as it relates to post 18?
In post 37, northsidegal wrote:because i agree with his reasoning? obviously not as strongly as he does given that i haven't healed you while he has, but given your seeming enthusiasm i would agree that it's more likely to come from town than scum.
that's something of a strange question to parse, really. do you expect me to have the same opinion as skitter or something?
I expect your opinion to be similar. You and skitter both had the info TDW didn’t
i don't see how that info is meant to negate what he said. if anything, in my mind it supports the conclusion - it would make sense to me that you wouldn't want to have to repeat that same experience (although in some sense i suppose you could want to use what you learned from that game to win this one - i find that unlikely, though. it wasn't like the concept of "be active and get townread" wasn't known to you playing the last time)
can you explain agreeing that his argument for gamma being town is a "good point" and also thinking that it makes them both more likely to be scum? that seems pretty contradictory to me.
tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?
Nah
would you say that you're playing as you normally do as town?
In post 48, TesXX wrote:This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)
why?
what made that worth pointing out as it relates to post 18?
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Post #155 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:05 pm
Postby northsidegal »
i will say that i don't townread Dva yet (in a way that's more of "hmm i feel like i should be townreading this person if they're town so that might tell me something") and her healing probs a robot does nothing to make me feel better about that slot
Invis was a little less active than I've seen him on what I think was one of his other alts, but he still seemed townie overall, and robot is... yeah
like this kind of post is
really
similar to one that MME made in the last coalition setup that i talked about in the mod thread of that game
perhaps it's a little basic / level-0 thinking to say this and it's not actually the sort of thing that's reliably partner-indicative, but that's the instinctual feeling i get looking at it
Out of interest, which parts of 95 do you see as coming from town more than scum?
I like the fact that she made the post at all for town-indicative, but I am struggling with the content.
According to my data, Mr. Canery does not play on MafiaScum anymore.
there's nothing special to the read, really. i guess i just feel like she went through reads in a kind of natural way. i guess the rest of her iso also points to town for me: 126 talking about a scumread disappearing i like, i feel like it shows an actual weight put into her scumread on me - it's something that she actually cares about. scum in that position might just choose to aimlessly talk to other people but saying that i disappeared to me shows that it's something she actually believes. (the alternative interpretation is that it's just shading me for lurking, but that would be more of a specific meta-related thing as it relates to me. scum might do that if they were familiar with me but i don't think she is)
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Post #164 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:23 pm
Postby northsidegal »
I'm just going to start my coalition with the people who i feel like will most likely not be leaving it. HEAL: Yuriko HEAL: Raya
i currently don't really think that TDW is scum but i do think that he has a pretty high potential to be basically the Wisdom of the first coalition game, someone who's just really active since the start of the game, gets entrenched in everyone's coalition and then never leaves.
also, this is kind of just a general statement i want to make but also kind of responds to some things that yuriko said about me: i tend to ask a lot of questions without revealing the intent behind those questions. after all, wouldn't that defeat the point? i can totally understand people looking at them and thinking that they're empty, i'm guilty of the same thing for other people really, but if you think they have no intent behind them then i would ask that you just ask me what i was trying to get at with them. the second part of what i wanted to say was that there are a few things that i'm waiting to say for ~reasons~. it seems like more than other people i tend to think that there's information to be gained by waiting.
In post 162, probs a robot wrote:Robots regularly dream of fluffy animals. Contrary to popular belief, we are friends!
In post 158, northsidegal wrote:perhaps it's a little basic / level-0 thinking to say this and it's not actually the sort of thing that's reliably partner-indicative, but that's the instinctual feeling i get looking at it
tbh the way I present my townreads bothers a lot of people, I don't like to overexplain them, often overemphasize them, and sometimes, every now and then, I'm even wrong
but robot does seem pretty townie here so far and I kinda don't get the sense you are scumreading robot so...?
what i'm about to say might sound vaguely offensive but i don't intend any by it at all
i think that objectively it's too early to townread robot right now and i think that if you
do
townread him then your standards for a townread would be so low as to be townreading almost all of the playerlist or your standards would be so low that you would be pockted by scum in nearly every game you play (which i don't think is the case for you as town, hence my suspicion)
here you also seem to indicate that most of the reason for your heal on the slot comes from robot, but in 141 when you healed him it seems like you were going more off of invisibility / musicjax. which is it?
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Post #210 (isolation #25) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:05 pm
Postby northsidegal »
In post 207, probs a robot wrote:I am not sure if this feeling of discomfort is consistent with watching two members of the mafia interact with one another.
However, I can't currently townread either skitter, or DVa
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Post #217 (isolation #26) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:14 pm
Postby northsidegal »
In post 213, The Dark Wanderer wrote:HURT: everyone HEAL: The Dark Wanderer HEAL: Northsidegal HEAL: Raya36 HEAL: YurikoJasmine HEAL: TesXX
i still think DVa is scum and specifically think her best partner choices are probs a robot or gamma but im willing to sacrifice skitter from my townpool given that there is now several people concerned with my townread there.
everyone on this list has at least one strong reason for me to read them town and in terms of thinking through who i would be wrong on i cant really think of anyone. maybe yuriko i guess.
i agree almost exactly with this coalition, my literal only concern would be that you're deepwolfing us all
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Post #225 (isolation #27) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:19 pm
Postby northsidegal »
In post 222, probs a robot wrote:I would support it, patching in Gamma Emerald instead of TDW and pending further interactions with TesXX in particular.
you would support it?
that raises an interesting question that i'd like to put out to everyone: who would be willing to support a coalition that didn't contain themselves in it?
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Post #240 (isolation #28) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:26 pm
Postby northsidegal »
In post 234, The Dark Wanderer wrote:if not completely unavoidable I would not support a coalition that didn't contain me in it because of two reasons
1) having at least one specific town guaranteed to be outside of the coalition drastically ups the odds that it contains scum and
and 2) if the coalition is wrong me being in it means that i have 4 slots of the townblock to sift through as opposed to 5.
i am surprised that of all the people in this game i am the one being floated as a deep wolf.
it's moreso that i'm just saying that if you
are
scum more than anyone else we'd be screwed right now.
In post 235, probs a robot wrote:@northsidegal, do you see what I see with town!DVa? I am seriously reconsidering my current read on her.
not really right now, although i might get back to you sometime tomorrow when i'm a bit more conscious and can read closer.
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Post #262 (isolation #29) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:49 pm
Postby northsidegal »
In post 254, Gamma Emerald wrote:Town who understood they probably wouldn’t be in the true coalition but support the proposed one?
Scum who has a buddy in it?
I can think of a couple reasons, why can’t you think of one?
it wasn't a "who would do this" in the sense of disbelief, it was a literal question of which people
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Post #432 (isolation #31) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:10 am
Postby northsidegal »
hi, i am being incredibly disappointing in a game that was essentially my own before schadd offered to mod it. this is as distressing to me as i'm certain it is frustrating for all of you.
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Post #434 (isolation #33) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:20 am
Postby northsidegal »
doing some self-reflecting, i feel like i might be hesitant to townread robot and TDW both just because of their playstyles and my unfamiliarity with them when in the last game people might have said the same thing about no-lunch. just one example of someone playing like that and being town obviously doesn't mean that robot is more likely to be town this game obviously, but it could say something about just going off of occam's razor.
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Post #436 (isolation #34) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:21 am
Postby northsidegal »
TDW, looking at your coalition on this page i don't like that raya isn't in it, i don't agree with skitter being in it and i wonder how your read on DVa changed so much that she's in your coalition right now.
hello! i don't feel feel like asking you generic questions would be all that useful. any questions for me / things you want me to pay attention to as i'm reading through?
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Post #440 (isolation #36) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:26 am
Postby northsidegal »
In post 346, probs a robot wrote:Approaching this game with an unusual posting style and gimmick means I'm unlikely to be townread.
Call it challenge mode if you will - I am supportive of a coalition which I'm not in. Because I understand there will be unconscious reservations in reading me as confidently as others.
wait, i actually agree entirely with what skitter said about this post. i feel like i've seen it before where scum dropped some kind of posting gimmick like that - i feel like in this situation, if you had rolled scum you might not have even entered the way you did or may not have kept it up. that read somewhat relies on your scumbuddy not already being widely townread, but it's still a point towards you being town.
In post 439, probs a robot wrote:Would you please be able to sort DVa and Gamma for me?
I want to townread both of them, but continually give myself pause.
i still don't really townread Dva. gamma is still not at the point where i'd heal him.
i think i'll try and focus a bit more closely on dva.
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Post #443 (isolation #37) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:28 am
Postby northsidegal »
In post 441, probs a robot wrote:What is irritating me about TDW is that I feel as though his reads are being 'dropped from a great height'.
He is reaching fairly substantial conclusions, but I feel that his reasoning is lacking. I also rarely feel that he is reading people for alignment indicative reasons. Posts such as this:
yeah people say this about MU-type players a
lot
so i think it's probably best to temper your expectations (so to speak) with that in mind
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Post #444 (isolation #38) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:29 am
Postby northsidegal »
my desire to start townreading robot is matched only by my desire to not prove correct the people who say i get pocketed by real time talking about reads
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Post #447 (isolation #40) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:32 am
Postby northsidegal »
i think i just might start townreading robot and if i'm wrong this game then that can just be my fatal flaw. i think i would be relatively okay with that.
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Post #449 (isolation #41) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:35 am
Postby northsidegal »
In post 448, probs a robot wrote:Is Yuriko beginning to concern you for the same reason they are beginning to concern me?
it was more of a "getting rid of perhaps an outdated read" hurt. just as you said this actually i read this post from yuriko, which i think is pretty towny:
In post 417, YurikoJasmine wrote:just caught up. call it confirmation bias as much as you like, but I still get scumreads from NSG and robot. (Nothing I saw changed my mind over these two and I don't get strong reads from the others)
I'll read everything again hopefully soon with a more refreshed mind.
i don't think scum in her position has much to gain from attacking me - it would make more sense for her to just make herself more towny and stay in the majority coalition.
that being said, i am making the same mistake that i so often pointed out as a mod in the last game, where i assume that what scum
should
be doing and what they
are
doing matches up exactly. in this instances it's more of a content-based example of that rather than last game's activity based theorizing, although i'm not sure how much of a difference there is.
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Post #451 (isolation #42) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:40 am
Postby northsidegal »
tdw's 430 is correct in the theory that it's better for scum to only have one member in the coalition as opposed to both, but it also makes the same assumption that what is optimal for scum is necessarily what they're doing, and actions that would be beneficial
as
scum are coming
from
scum.
that's not meant to be some sort of comprehensive rebuttal or anything, just my own observations.
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Post #525 (isolation #44) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:26 pm
Postby northsidegal »
In post 517, The Dark Wanderer wrote:@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.
sorry. i don't feel really good about about playing mafia recently for reasons, but i'll try. cool that you've heard that though.
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Post #527 (isolation #45) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:30 pm
Postby northsidegal »
greetings.
tdw if you want us to work together on finishing this game before december then we need to come to terms on a few reads that you have that i just don't really agree with, mainly skitter and dva being part of your coalition.
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Post #529 (isolation #47) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:32 pm
Postby northsidegal »
er, the second quote didn't appear, but was voting dva a mistake when you meant to heal her, or...? from what you said before it seemed like you were having trouble reading her. did something clear up for you?
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Post #531 (isolation #48) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:37 pm
Postby northsidegal »
probably not. i've read in the past a scumthread where the advice given to pocket me was to just talk reads with me, so if anything i tend to avoid townreading people off of that kind of real time interaction.
maybe you could describe why you're playing your towngame this game over your scumgame?
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Post #532 (isolation #49) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:39 pm
Postby northsidegal »
because from what i've read you seem like you sort of start games swinging when it comes to reads, so even if you say that you were spending a lot of time in witches' ball, to see what looks to me like you being a bit more passive in terms of coming up with reads this game sort of points towards you being scum.
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Post #537 (isolation #51) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:45 pm
Postby northsidegal »
In post 534, skitter30 wrote:@nsg can you talk to me about why you're scumreading me?
i guess i'm just "not townreading you" and towards the start of the game i felt like you were playing differently than you were in the previous coalition game and given that i haven't seen anything that really said "huh, this must be town!skitter here" i'm sort of inclined to just follow my initial instinct rather than just resetting given time arbitrarily
not much of a specific answer i suppose, which i guess might not be very helpful. i will say that it seems like we have very similar reads, but that's true of a lot of people and it makes me wary to townread someone (or at least, multiple people) just based off of that.
basically, the most likely way that i envision the coalition failing this game is through agreeing with someone entirely on reads while that person is scum. given that, i really want to have a maximum of one person like that in my coalition, and for me it seems right now like that's realistically only going to be TDW or robot.
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Post #538 (isolation #52) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:46 pm
Postby northsidegal »
In post 535, DVa wrote:Why would you say this is your town game rather than your scum game?
i had just started thinking about that after asking you, actually! i'm not sure how much i can actually say this game is
really
distinct, but i think i've probably displayed a lot more depth of thought than in any scumgame i've played before, where i was probably mostly just making things up and espousing random theories. i can say that if i had rolled scum this game, as a strategy i probably would've gone for a lot more mindless posting and chatting just to try to inflate my postcount and get townread just through presence in the thread rather than through having good thoughts
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Post #548 (isolation #53) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:57 pm
Postby northsidegal »
In post 517, The Dark Wanderer wrote:@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.
reflecting on it a bit more, i think this post makes TDW town.
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Post #551 (isolation #54) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:59 pm
Postby northsidegal »
and also should it concern me (any of us?) that we seem to have had more activity in the past few minutes right after i post than we did in the entire previous day?
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Post #555 (isolation #55) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:01 pm
Postby northsidegal »
ah, i think it's actually messing me up being so widely townread or something. do scum have some kind of specific incentive to try to pocket me or to get in my good graces because i'm almost certainly going to be in the coalition? is that something i should really be paranoid about? because if not then i think i actually feel kinda of strongly that 517 makes tdw town.
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Post #562 (isolation #56) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:05 pm
Postby northsidegal »
i'm starting to get so concerned right now that scum are trying to get townread by me specifically and i don't know if that's something i should be concerned about or not
listing the reasons why 517 make tdw town to myself makes me realize that they could all
really easily
come from scum who just wanted to get me to townread them, but is that something that scum need to do?
does this sudden activity right after my post have anything to do with it?
normally i try to keep my reads mostly detached from myself (like i told dva) but it's starting to mess me up
i've never rolled IC and never understood people who say that they don't like the role, but i think i understand them a bit more now.
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Post #564 (isolation #57) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:06 pm
Postby northsidegal »
In post 560, DVa wrote:well I asked if you wanted to talk NSG, lol, I kinda have been leaning town but you've been the person I've been most wondering if I should lock down as part of my coalition, but you haven't really been here. I think this is the first time in several days we've really been online at the same time?
In post 517, The Dark Wanderer wrote:@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.
why is this townie to you?
like i said, listing out the reasons makes it obvious that it could easily come from scum who want to pocket me, but here they are:
1) tdw knows something about my that i don't think i've ever said publicly
2) he felt the need to say this
3) he asked me specifically to stop lurking and do something to help solve the game
the naive approach is to think "why would scum care about getting me to play the game? it's better for them the more i lurk and ignore this game, so it seems like TDW must be someone who knows me, who believes in my ability and who actually wants my help in solving the game."