Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[profii]

Don’t lynch me. Thanks, bye.

I’m gonna just coast. I’m probably a SK. If not SK, I’m Mafia.

Reactions? Go.

Imma cop you >=[

[profii]

Don’t lynch me. Thanks, bye.

I’m gonna just coast. I’m probably a SK. If not SK, I’m Mafia.

Reactions? Go.

Imma cop you >=[

Wouldn’t expect anything less.

interesting

[profii]

Let's get to the real question. Why are you so active?

It’ll probably settle down eventually. I just happened to be online doing nothing when the game started.

I haven’t been doing much lately.

Nice setup of using your unbusy schedule for hyper posting and looking towny!

[profii]

Yeah, it’s funny how all 5 of us on the scum team were the first ones to show up this game.

erm scum slip, 6 posters (7 inc mod) on this page dude

[profii]

Yeah, it’s funny how all 5 of us on the scum team were the first ones to show up this game.

erm scum slip, 6 posters (7 inc mod) on this page dude

Oh, I knew it. But we’re a 5 man scum team. Not 6.

Which one not posting on that page isn’t scum? That’s the question.

we should try and get them mislynched!

[profii]

I think you're a liar Profii.

[profii]

it's worked before

VOTE: hebichan

[profii]

Can I not be the day one lynch again? Please. I want to play a game one of these months.

VOTE: RCE

How come you picked RCE out of all the people on this mini wagon - despite us messing around I assume you picked someone on wagon intentionally

[profii]

I am reporting that I have a negative utility to town.
I can ONLY hammer, and if I place a vote that isn't the hammer, I will be modkilled.

---
I will openly claim now as well. I am

THE

Sylvester Stallone. I am not one of his characters he's played, but the actual person as my role. As the actual person, I must have final say in the lynch," i.e. I can only hammer. Don't ask why the mod chose to make my role and flavor as it is, I don't know. Don't ask me to vote if it's not the hammer, it won't happen.

Dude

Help us via

HURT: playa

So we know where you’re at - ok?

[profii]

Let’s see if he wants to help us with those hurt tags

VOTE: RCEnigma

Kinda wanna push hebi and RCE at the same time but alas one thing at a time

[profii]

Because hebi got off after earlier saying likely scum in me/RCE/FL

[profii]

Let’s see if he wants to help us with those hurt tags

I feel you're making this out to be a lot more significant than it actually is.

Silly me, suggesting ways for people to be to town

[profii]

You can get out when you say nice things about me.

We won't kill you night 1.

Buddies?

While that is a nice gesture, it's still not something nice about me. I need to get my self-esteem up if I'm going to solve the game before page 10.

I have faith in you!

[profii]

Profii what was your previous avatar?

another pic of my dog i would guess... also yeah i was thinking that about the post above this

[profii]

Profii what was your previous avatar?

another pic of my dog i would guess... also yeah i was thinking that about the post above this

Guess I'll have to read some old games then, because that was not as helpful for me as I thought.

yea i remember not being able to read you right but ive played a few games since then - p. sure my wiki is up to date - i dont post ongoing games there.

[profii]

Is Cerb always like a serious business type of guy. Don’t remember ever playing with him before

Also Bujaber - I think we played 2 games, an open and a newbie with N_M and UCV as the SEs, then an open where mulch and derpy hooves had it out in a big mess but scum and SK shot each other for us to win:lol:

[profii]

I kinda get that response from him, though.

I’m not necessarily scum reading you, but my vote is serious.

If that makes sense.

There is probably scum on our wagon hoping to force me to claim. I’m not falling for that.

If you’re scum here, I think that would definitely be in your wheelhouse.

Nah, I’d say hammer without claim. I also like baiting flash wagons then tunneling people who jumped on it, though.

Claims mean nothing in a game like this tbh.

Oh FL....so......consistent.

People will be like L-2 is l-1 remember anyway.. I don’t see this as important

[profii]

Let's see if I can do this, I'm gonna quickly flick through isos and sort into 3 categories if i can.


more towny than scum:
DrewVa (DVa & Nancy Drew 39)
farside
Alchemist21
Varsoon
Gamma Emerald
Thor665
hebichan

Too early to tell:
Flavor Leaf
Malakitty
RCEnigma
Toogeloo
BuJaber
davesaz
Chickadee
DrippingGoofball
CheekyTeeky
Fortian (DeasVail & Regfan)
Majiffy
Amzela


more scummy than town:
Creature
Reasonably Rational (Drixx & Cerb)
Tails
Wisdom
pinturicchio
BrightEyedFish

VOTE: RR

[profii]

@Profii - why did you pick DrewVa over Wisdom by that far of a margin in their 1v1.

I thought they both had pretty valid points, to be honest.

ive seen town dva and the dva bit of the iso looked towny.
i checked wisdom iso again and i dont even know what i found scummy haha i was going very fast i got through all the isos in under 10 mins

[profii]

Profii is your RR read just on tone? Also I'm gonna open a can of worms, why is Thor town?

On RR perhaps the tone biased me a bit but I feel like the suggesting a random lynch followed by pick a scum in this pool of players was enough to pass my low threshold


Thor I feel ok to town bin him because his iso seemed to be thinking the way I am thinking and I caught him as scum before so if he is dumping me I feel confident enough to spot it

[profii]

Dude is now on wisdom, who I am pretty sure is town

that buddying tho

Looks like Wisdom/Varsoon buddies.

Everyone has a buddy yet? If you don’t have a buddy raise your hand.

There should be 13 pairs. Let’s lynch within the pair that gels the least.

Hebichan/Flavor are gelling the most for the Fun Fact I posted about the Snivy thing a few pages back.

We also both live on the west coast.


Not sure I like Profii's response there. I've used the same line as scum a lot. Then again, I have genuinely lost my train of thought as town.

Which? Where he said he only went into it with 10 minutes, and forgot why he scum read Wisdom?
I can see that.

I actually don’t think I’ve ever seen ScumProfii, which is odd because I like Profii a lot. That’s dangerous.

nope & you still havent :@

[profii]

I’m gonna get blindsided so hard with Hebichan’s slot.

Someone needs to strictly read any blind spots I’ll have for the slot. We don’t need another Gamma/Creature/Flavor fiasco.

ill keep you right in our mason thread

[profii]

Do you mean why did I vote RR from that list? I didn’t check the vote count and just guessed RR would have at least a vote or 2 on so I’d be joining at least some form of wagon

Im not sure I would call my list robust, I kinda just copy and pasted the player list and then went on each iso in a new tab, then cut and paste as soon as I spotted something

The important bit is now when people start asking me questions as I will get a feel for what people like or don’t like about the list so yeah that’s kinda my plan - I’m pretty new to games with so many players so I’m kinda trying to draw some conversation my way to get involved

[profii]

Oh- flavour leaf

I don’t think I’ve played with you rolling scum either come to think I’ve it.

Weirdly - I feel like I will spot your scum game as I know your town game well enough but you don’t seem to reciprocate- interesting

[profii]

What made you go to wisdom? I really can’t remeber what made me put him in the scum category but I will re-read tomorrow - however if you give me a shortcut I’d be much obliged

[profii]

i just caught up on all the over night section (I'm UK so you all post when i sleep)

I was all but ready to say there is a fence forming and RCE/DrewVA are sitting on one side, Tails & Wisdom the other... then boom Tails makes that case on RCE.
I'm not sure I scum read RCE because of it, but Tails got moved out of my scum pile.

I am probably demoting DrewVa a bit - This majiffy case seems to reek of sending the attention away from themselves, because it's way too early in Majiffys ISO to make that call I think.

[profii]

Profiis in my head and I don't like it

how come

[profii]

You're okay with this broad null level? Am I wrong calling out the weirdness of the scum reads? Flavor, RCE, and Bujabers have talked enough to be sorted, even by that point in the game. Surely something could be said about Toog's claim and where that likely lands him on the reads list. Heck, there are some weird naked votes in there. Nothing? How is that call out a leap in logic?

Flavour - I always say I can sort him later, but day 1 isn't the time to do that. Anyway, I said I'm gonna cop him... duh.

BuJabers, I can't remember if I said it when I was chatting to him earlier but I always read him wrong, here is what I have in my notes verbatim:

"going against the grain, but that's what he does aerassdfgs[dogpksjdklfs"

And RCE... well let's find out...

Im not used to it. Generally you have fairly unique angles that make me think about multiple angles. It helps my read on you. I can't really do that if we are already on the same page.

RCE -

you are right I usually do probably exactly what I've said about BuJ there and come at things from a different perspective - but I think I've mentioned I dont do 26p games so I'm not like super confident with how the site meta of the bigger games plays out - my gut feeling is the scum are probably just lurking and letting us tie ourselves up in knots with all the little mini dramas going on

But because that's the way I am seeing things, I still dont see how I'm in your head.


also back to Tail/Fort - RCE has posted a bunch but I tend to gloss over 1v1/conflicty areas until I really have to go and read it. Otherwise I end up getting involved and there are a number of games in the earlier portion of my wiki where I learned 1v1/conflicty play is damaging to town and i am liable for getting over involved as i know i have last word syndrome.

[profii]

The important bit is now when people start asking me questions as I will get a feel for what people like or don’t like about the list so yeah that’s kinda my plan - I’m pretty new to games with so many players so I’m kinda trying to draw some conversation my way to get involved

This is what I was quoting about profii, by the way.

Out of interest what do you make of Hebi who said the post prior to that was towny (where I forgot why I scum read wisdom)

[profii]

Do you mean why did I vote RR from that list? I didn’t check the vote count and just guessed RR would have at least a vote or 2 on so I’d be joining at least some form of wagon

Im not sure I would call my list robust, I kinda just copy and pasted the player list and then went on each iso in a new tab, then cut and paste as soon as I spotted something

The important bit is now when people start asking me questions as I will get a feel for what people like or don’t like about the list so yeah that’s kinda my plan - I’m pretty new to games with so many players so I’m kinda trying to draw some conversation my way to get involved

This is genuinely the most towny post I've seen all game.

Also I'll ease up on creature till tomorrow.

VOTE: Wisdom

This one

[profii]

I was kinda asking Pint but feel free to chip in

What I will ask you about is that majiffy read you’ve given us - what do you think about BEF saying he only read a few posts before forming his own opinion on it?

[profii]

that's the one - I guess BEF is saying he is trying to remain objective but by not finding out if your case has any merit is one way to do it I suppose

[profii]

I’m as real as my love for Hebichan.

:puke:

[profii]

that's the one - I guess BEF is saying he is trying to remain objective but by not finding out if your case has any merit is one way to do it I suppose

I don’t think he was doing that. Completely dismissing my case would be scummy, saying you need more info, seems fine to me.

If you read Majiffy’s posts in that game, you can see he is being super solvey and clearly trying to advance the gamestate.

I haven’t really seen him do that here yet.

That's my point - it's scummy if Majiffy is actually scum, but if he is town, its a bad scum move - because if Majiffy is town, a scum player would need to leave the door open to perhaps mislynch that dude at some point - if they have already said nope town, then its gonna look bad if they jump on a wagon later or whatever.

So I'm saying there could be a world where Majiffy is town and BEF is leaving the door open to read Majiffy how it pleases him later.



Also - I am not sure how clear I was on your 'demotion' in my list - the reason i did it was because you were like under loads of pressure and then this random meta Majiffy case appears - like it came over as "hey guys i know you all wanna lynch me, but look I can find scum... here, this guy... and I've even found like a reason and everything... please leave me alone"

Some might say LAMIST for short.

[profii]

BEF, when you manage to get caught up, talk to me. I’m not discussing old posts.

Posts from 14 hours prior are "old posts"? You flew off the handle at like less than 25% of the votes needed to be lynched and demanded to be hard town read by people because you flew off the handle. Those will

NEVER

be "old posts" for as long as you remain alive in this game.

At this point if you actually

ARE

town, you should be trying to figure out how to get yourself night killed because you are a walking "Leave me till M/LYLO so you can win" sign for scum.

~D

Why would I try to get nightkilled? Sorry but that’s totally whacked. Not that I won’t but actually TRY to do that? What makes so sure that’s going to happen if I don’t? And according to what your proposing, you’ve just made a compelling case for scum NOT to try and kill me, so how do you think that’s even possible here?

At any rate, you have completely misconstrued what I meant by that. My thoughts on the gamestate keep changing, so how is it in anyway useful or helpful to comment on posts I’ve made and/or being referenced that no longer describe my most current thoughts/reads?

I do however want to clarify that I meant no disrespect to BEF with that comment. The same goes for my comments to Gamma earlier. I didn’t understand why he thought it “shady” to answer for my hydra partner and still don’t.

I try to get nightkilled all the time as a VT - beats losing a power role or risking having me in LyLo - the problem is every time i do it, scum see right through it

[profii]

Massclaim is discouraged this game 'cause scum has fakeclaims made specially for them

3- This game most certainly canNot be broken by flavor-gaming or mass claiming. (I will still advise against the practice though)

4- If you didn't get it: All anti-Town players have been provided with proper fake claims.

I wonder if those fake claims involve flavour.

He says no flavour gaming but I was able to help solve Labrynth based on the fake flavour connection between scum!Chick and scum!rando in that one.

Alright I see now how claiming anything just helps scum. :/

P.edit, Obviously they involve fake flavours

but does that necessarily mean that flavour gaming is impossible? Fake flavour probably has some connection to true flavour. Like scum!random was Jareth but his fake flavour was the wise man and Jareth had appeared previously in the guise of an owl.

How did you go from wondering if fake claims involve flavour, to obviously they involve flavour, whilst P. editing and no one posting in between those 2 posts (expect you)

I'm probably derping - but I asked A50 what provided fake claims meant, because i dont ever play theme games so he told me it was indeed fake flavours... I'm sure I'm derping and everyone is going to be like 'yeah in theme it's obvious it would be fake flavour - especially as someone mentioned overkill 1 got broke by flavour claim'

but as a newbie to themes i had to ask and the way you posted makes it seem like you TMI'd then corrected yourself...

[profii]

from the multi ball discussion - I got invited to the game (RCE was copied in) and wasn't told multiball specifically but was told this should be a quick game - I'm not going to quote the PM verbatim as it is probably a grey area and was also worded non-specifically... but I'd expect either a very large scum team to finish the game quickly or multiball. Given the kill restrictions and short game estimate I'm going multiball.

My gut is telling me Wisdom vs Drew is TvS but I dunno which to vote for

[profii]

nothing, you are right

[profii]

what did you think of BEF doing a similar list

[profii]

fake edit 572

[profii]

Why is Thor scum here? I think I will probably anti-sheep any of your votes in this game.

~Nancy

Outside of this:

RR made note that Thor was acting more like his scum self in that game, so maybe not? Also, I think we have a few more strong personalities in this game.

It's coming from early posts and his defensiveness, which I do believe got called out by Cheeky.

--
Sidenote, not game related, histrionic is not inherently bad but has been used historically as a way to invalidate the concerns/feelings/treatment of women. This comes from the Renaissance and hysteria has typically been used as an excuse to mark women as irrational and, therefore, inferior as it was said to be only related to the uterus. I believe that might be the reason why Nancy doesn't like the usage of the word, and though it may not inherently be offensive, it could be argued that it implies something.

Further to the side note there is a lot of language in the posts that one could argue is obviously going to upset someone you have identified as “emotional about being scum read” or whatever

And I think it’s being masked under the guise of “I’m just being matter of fact about things”

I kinda think it’s a shading tactic tbh

[profii]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

[profii]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Has DrewVa been successful at making anyone agree with them so far? No? So what would be the motivation for shading them, rather than letting them just continue digging the hole they were already busy with.

The second possiblity, of just winding her up for no reason, is, again, something that would be better accomplished by going after other individuals in the game; that is, if one assumes that we'd even do that, which we never have felt the urge to do in the past. *shrug* Obviously you can't assume that we're not doing it this time, but again, where's the scum motivation?

-Cerb

I'm trying to be polite here and say if there is no reason to this why is it dragging on. It's a bit lame.

[profii]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

How is RR winding DrewVa up in the first place
Nancy was pretty high strung to start with

Dramas take 2 to tango - tbh I just got bored of wall quotes and want it to stop and it mostly looks irrelevant.

[profii]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Has DrewVa been successful at making anyone agree with them so far? No? So what would be the motivation for shading them, rather than letting them just continue digging the hole they were already busy with.

The second possiblity, of just winding her up for no reason, is, again, something that would be better accomplished by going after other individuals in the game; that is, if one assumes that we'd even do that, which we never have felt the urge to do in the past. *shrug* Obviously you can't assume that we're not doing it this time, but again, where's the scum motivation?

-Cerb

I'm trying to be polite here and say if there is no reason to this why is it dragging on. It's a bit lame.

No. You've been looking for an excuse to vote us all game. Jumping into a minor personal dispute to have an excuse is pretty bad man.

For the record (for the people who know us): I've been side eyeing Profii since that really bad "reads" list earlier. I wonder who else saw what I saw in the reactions to that. I suspect Thor, Varsoon and Tails all caught it.

VOTE: profii

I'm comfortable here. Too much baggage and noise on the DVA slot to have any certainty and nobody else seems to believe lying with ATE is indicative of anything so ... here we are.

~D

PS - really going to thanksgiving stuff now. Have fun storming the castle!

Wow this is so lame

I voted you because you were either doing something scummy- which fine, going about it a bit like a dick poking someone who you know you’ll get a reaction out of

Or if it’s not scummy then you are just plain being annoying for no reason

So the polite thing is to assume you are being scummy so I should vote you, right?

I mean you weren’t purposely causing meaningless drama , right?

[profii]

Also havin a laff that profii straight ghosted.
Probably to go tell scumbuddies what to do post-flip.

In the middle of a 3 hour car journey

If you’re really a day vig... oh my

[profii]

I tend to infer bullying a lot harder as a situation where intimidation (and often social dynamics) are involved--but that's more from the PoV of an educator where the sort of bullying I deal with manifests as social and physical bullying.

Being like "Your rhetorical aggressiveness makes me uncomfortable to the point of wanting to replace out" comes off far less like bullying to me. It's not so much of a taking-the-ball-and-going home thing since the game can continue with a replacement and replacing out for personal reasons (such as feeling emotionally compromised from playing to wincon) are perfectly valid. I don't really see DrewVa's move to replace out as a threat so much as an actual indicator that your rhetoric is legitimately making them consider replacing out.

P-EDIT: That's what I'm saying. Profii's not confident enough to not spill the WINE.

P-P-EDIT: Day should continue but thread will lock so a flip can be posted and VC should reset.

Yes, I would never have said anything otherwise. I extremely dislike the kind of attention this whole thing has put on me. I wasn’t considering replacing out at the time, Drixx used the term, “hysterics” but I was bothered enough to realize I needed to be pro-active and try to nip it in the bud. The replacing out part happened, when he persisted with it. I don’t know how to deal with that. If I say to someone, please stop whatever, it’s really making me uncomfortable and they not only persist with it but even double down, it legit sends me into a panic - and yes there are very good reasons for that - nothing game-related. So that and that alone - was where the boundary crossing took place - when he made it clear that he didn’t GAF how his words were affecting me.

This post summarises my whole thought on the process - IMO it was more than obvious we were heading i this direction and I didn’t want to say shut up Drixz you’re being a dick (well I did)

So I just voted


Anyway, if I’m dead or not I’ll move on now...

[profii]

Btw I’m about to head off but if Varsoon is not a day vig then we should lynch him - will explain when I arrive and can get access to a keyboard... 110 miles to go do couple hours

[profii]

Ok I’ve arrived

The reason day vig is scum is I’ve said imma cop someone twice. Granted I fake PR on day 1 to get night killed but if you are happy to shoot a potential cop without second thought then you should really be questioned from here on in

[profii]

Btw I’m about to head off but if Varsoon is not a day vig then we should lynch him - will explain when I arrive and can get access to a keyboard... 110 miles to go do couple hours

This is a bad look man. Disappearing and then beetlejuiceing back in with this "just in case it was a reaction test" post. Eww.

~D

You are one to call people on what looks bad

[profii]

I forgot who it was

I mean the reason Varsoon is scum is bla bla bla

I’m assuming I’m not dying here

[profii]

I don’t believe he is TOWN day vig because that was mad reckless to just shoot

Plus I cop hinted twice which makes it more reckless

So he either is scum and saw the crumb, or, he is crazy - why shoot someone for stepping in between a stupid 1v1 and saying leave it out


I suppose he could be scum day vig and I’m dead but it’s all the same

[profii]

I mean, I softed cop, too, for what it's worth.
I also didn't realize you were actually softing cop.
I just shot you 'cus I thought you'd flip scum.

Why would you crumb a role to get yourself shot if you’re a day vig? Because you plan to shoot day 1 when you have the least info

I know it’s overkill but ooooo kay

[profii]

I forgot who it was

I mean the reason Varsoon is scum is bla bla bla

I’m assuming I’m not dying here

??? Lol ok.

Just to get this straight, you don't believe he is the Dayvig, therefore based on your reasoning he is not scum because he couldn't kill you as the hypothetical Cop PR you claimed to be right? I mean if he's lying then the only reason I could see for the fake claim is to get a reaction from you which could reveal your alignment. Why would scum do that?

+ This will be multi ball - could be fishing for anything

[profii]

Idk maybe I am gonna die if Varsoon isn’t relenting on his day vig claim.

Play nice without me

[profii]

Yeah profii your vote is bad and you should feel bad
Anyway

Daykill : Profii

Hasta la vista baby

This feels like TMI.

I’m a cop you idiot

[profii]

It’s another Arnie quote and I’ve lol claimed cop so I was just mucking about

Anyway, did you answer 826?

[profii]

Gems? You have more than 1?! :p

[profii]

I haven’t claimed anything
“I’m a cop you idiot” is a quote from an arnie film - I was continuing the joke from Alonzos Arnie quote

[profii]

I haven’t claimed anything
“I’m a cop you idiot” is a quote from an arnie film - I was continuing the joke from Alonzos Arnie quote

I’m confused now. Are you walking back your cop claim?

Technically I’ve only ever suggested I might be a cop - I never claimed it

[profii]

I dunno about finding movies with them together - when Alonzo made the first get in da choppa post I was like - lols apparently I’m not the only one who confuses the 2 then - and totally assumed it was a joke

[profii]

hard claim would be me saying

hard claim: i am 100% no jokes a cop.

a soft claim would be 6 where i am suggesting to the group i am the cop - possibly a crumb for later, possibly because I want scum to think I'm a cop and shoot me for some reason tonight - potentially if i was bullet proof or a useless VT etc.

I've not hard claimed.

[profii]

I dunno about finding movies with them together - when Alonzo made the first get in da choppa post I was like - lols apparently I’m not the only one who confuses the 2 then - and totally assumed it was a joke

Could be but it seems deliberate since it's happened more than once. I didn't like his hasta la vista comment if it wasn't a badly timed crumb. If you do die, I'll be looking very closely at him.

i just want to be put out of my misery rn - i have my own personal PT and I'm keeping notes page by page on everyone, I cant be bothered to update rn for obvious reasons but I'm way behind now and it was working quite well i thought

[profii]

Oh and to explain day vig

If you know a vig role is a dude who can shoot in the night phase - a day vig just does it in the day phase as per that previous post

However - it is occasionally used as a ploy to make the target believe they’ve been killed, so they come out and say “oh hey you got me i was ___” when in fact they’ve not been shot at all but they reveal their role/alignment whatever

In this instance I’m making you wait for mod confirmation because I don’t think Varsoon is a real day vig

[profii]

Oh and crumbing - people leave clues to their PR role or actions they took so if they are forced to claim they can refer back to old crumbs to prove they didn’t just spin a story up under pressure

This might be the first letter of each line in a post spells out who they targeted so you could potentially say “I investigate Cerb day 1- look at the first post of day 2 it went P...L....a....y....G...u...I...l....t (etc)

Obviously nothing stopping scum from playing the long game either and if you crumb obviously scum will realise you have power and kill you

[profii]

Does anyone else not get preview edit when phone posting... I’m sure I used to

[profii]

Wait shit, profii I think I understand.
Everyone, Profii is town~
I faked the shot.

You boob

I thought you had - I’ve still never seen a legit day vig, but then I was thinking maybe in overkill there may just be one


I’m like 10 pages behind now :-/

[profii]

I skipped the last 10 pages.

From skimming though, I'm thinking Creature is scum. I vaguely remember Tails (I think) saying Creature was in town range. Please clarify.

VOTE: Creature

Easiest read in the game. I mentioned it a while back and tried to give Creature time to redeem himself. Other people have mentioned it. Yet no one seemingly wants to vote there.

Why do you have him as a scum read. I don't necessarily disagree but is it just a gut read or what stood out to you?

sheeping this question - i struggle to read creature so i'd be keen to hear more if you think you can do a good job there, Chickadee.

[profii]

less likely to be from a fakeclaim

what makes you think that? (asking that, but I've never seen the film my claim comes from so I'd have no idea )

[profii]

I skipped the last 10 pages.

From skimming though, I'm thinking Creature is scum. I vaguely remember Tails (I think) saying Creature was in town range. Please clarify.

VOTE: Creature

Easiest read in the game. I mentioned it a while back and tried to give Creature time to redeem himself. Other people have mentioned it. Yet no one seemingly wants to vote there.

Why do you have him as a scum read. I don't necessarily disagree but is it just a gut read or what stood out to you?

Only people who haven't played a lot with Creature ask this question. As a general rule: is creature posting? If yes, town. If no, scum.

If Creature comes back and ups his game, I'll take back my vote. But this is textbook scum creature.

I thought you might say that i just played mini normal 2030 (see wiki) with scum!creature and he posted as much as I'd expect from creature so whilst his lack of activity isn't amazingly helpful, I'm not going to use that creature-scum-tell juuuuust yet.

[profii]

Cerb do you have a read on Amzela - leaning on you for the best meta for obvious reasons

[profii]

yeah like pre that game i referenced i would have probably jumped on too but word on the street is creature is now super scum

I feel like I wanna vote Wisdom but it's like a gut read, let me go see if i can case it out a bit better.

[profii]

But sure, lynch me. This game was unpleasant with 5 players spamming the other 21 of us into prod dodge play and I don't see my enjoyment of it increasing any time soon

This is the only majiffy comment that kinda bothered me in ISO, prolly not gonna vote here.

[profii]

VOTE: Bujaber
im gonna sheep this because it will probably help me sort BuJ and I can't put my thoughts on Wisdom into coherent sentences yet

[profii]

@Davesaz: Profii's a dead man after the claim and the walkback of the claim (when they realized this) solidified them as town for me.

Daves gottttttta be scum

If I was a cop...

[profii]

Amzela, how good do you think you'd be at discerning Cerb as town or scum in forum based Mafia? Hopefully you don't talk about the game outside of the game, but do you get a sense that you can read him without actually seeing him? Is your only experience with Cerb in live versions of the game?

Also... you need an avatar.

pfft. Avatars are overrated!

Someone asked me what my read on amzela is, to which I say: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

^^ Honestly, I don't think she's faking being lost or the cute little newb that she is...and she hasn't done any of the obvious things that newbscum do, so maybe slightly more inclined to think she's town than scum, but there's very little behind that position.

-Cerb

ive seen multiple games not lynch multiple cute little noobs just because they cute little noobs so we I’ll take anything I can get to sort her

[profii]

Anyway Varsoon, now the dust has settled what did that day vig reaction test achieve for you and how/why

[profii]

I feel like Creature still hasnt done anything

[profii]

VOTE: vote: majiffy

are you trying to break the vote counter script?

[profii]

VOTE: vote: majiffy

are you trying to break the vote counter script?

Looks more like he just doesn’t realize how the tag works

Or you could let him answer himself, or whatever

[profii]

@Mod - I'm going to be limited access until Thursday - working away for a few days so I'll peruse in the evenings but I will be out with work people so wont have time to concentrate properly etc

[profii]

I’m back - anything good happen in the last 15 pages?

[profii]

Clemency is chick? People were starting the wagon on chick for not looking a great deal beyond Creature, right? Is that still the basis of the wagon or has clemency scummed it up further?

(I'm about 20 pages behind and at work, hopefully i'll get some time to work on this game tonight)

[profii]

Like, literally both Gamma and Proffi could have answered their own questions with 1 minute of skimming and the ISO feature.

sure because there is NO value whatsoever in finding out who jumps in and goes 'yeah man get on the wagon we need to lynch this scum'

[profii]

ok I just ISO'd clemency

VOTE: Clemency


pedit: BuJaber - Low hanging fruit

[profii]

I dunno why Clemency is concerned a 180 is a bad thing


There is no rule that a slot has to stick to a narrative so if someone does that, it would be more likely to push a particular scum agenda

There are already 26 people who are all reading the thread and all see things slightly differently so logically you expect the next player to have their own view and not just be an extension of their predecessor

[profii]

look at that, we didn't make it to 100 pages for day 1

[profii]

Don’t lynch me. Thanks, bye.

I’m gonna just coast. I’m probably a SK. If not SK, I’m Mafia.

Reactions? Go.

Imma cop you >=[

PS

[profii]

Think the selfhammer attempt is a scum claim

This seems to be the only rational explanation.

apathetic town self hammering because he cant be bothered to try and convince the town they're really wrong just doesn't make sense here

[profii]

I was expecting a lot more killing when I was invited to this game

This

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[profii]

lol @ underkill though

[profii]

Stop what?

[profii]

Stop what?

You’re just doing your night 1 always target FL thing, but had you targeted me, you’d be dead.

Lol You’re right I have no result

[profii]

Why would a scum self hammer to prevent his partner from hammering. That makes no sense

Yea this, I don’t get where Drewva is coming from there

[profii]

The thing that bugs me about toogeloo is it wasn’t until 401 they said oh look actor is a real role


Potentially this could be scummy but I’m still kinda thinking this through -


I asked A50 what it meant by scum has a fake claim and he told me it was the extra character
He DID NOT tell me they also got the extra potential roles to claim as per that PM flip

So is it possible toogeloo faked his claim ASAP ?

Probably not - you’d surely research your gambit before committing to it in your first post

Idk - if my role PM said something weird the first thing I’d do is go to the wiki to know what I can do but it took 400 posts

Admittedly I tend not to check things other people say to let themselves dig holes but just seems weird to me

[profii]

Why would a scum self hammer to prevent his partner from hammering. That makes no sense

If Toogeloo’s role is fake. Normally, you’d be absolutely right about that. But don’t you think there’s some weird associatives with Clem’s self-hammering - to according to him, prevent Toogeloo from hammering and Chick’s Toogeloo defense? Either one alone, wouldn’t have made me think that. Do you think Clem just wanted to die anyway and tried to shade Toogeloo? I suppose that is also possible.

If his claim was fake, letting him hammer would make much more sense than not letting him hammer. Unless Toog's role was "if you hammer one of your partners you die", which makes NO sense at all. Also, I don't think Chick's post was a defense, since there was a lot of consensus on Toog being town. I see that post much more like a "look at me I'm doing something", contributing nothing new to the game, than a defense.

I am going with this - I think Drewvas theory is maybe too complicated

[profii]

RR - Varsoon - Hebi - DGB


The toog voters

[profii]

Off Clem/Chick wagon

DrippingGoofball

(609)
Thor665 (1438)

Varsoon

1452)
Nero Cain (2147),
Malakitty (1178),
Creature (1921),
Flavor Leaf (2030),
Gamma Emerald (2397),

Reasonably Rational

,
CheekyTeeky (2070),
Amzela (1827),


Gonna concentrate there for obvious reasons

[profii]

Ok I need educating from the other players

1744

When someone says counter wagon is there any time when you would use that phrase to describe anything other than when you believe scum are directing us away from one of their own?

Assuming the answer is no - you could suggest 1744 is TMI

Looking at the rest of the ISO DGB makes 2 posts saying Clemency is town then Clemency is really town - now I was VLA when Clemency entered so by the time i got back in the swing of the game, the wagon was well formed and when I read the ISO of Clemency it looked really like a player with no idea of where they could go

So if DGB is going to convince me she’s town then I really need to understand that TR

[profii]

Ok so Varsoon posts a lot of fluff for quite a bit mainly up until he day vigged (forgot about that haha) and I recall thinking in that phase of play after his day vig on me and the following discussion it was kinda weird that he has town read me now, as I wasn’t sure what I did to suddenly town it up - especially after the accusation of ghosting

Then a bit later on Varsoon openly says he didn’t get the Chickadee wagon but again, doesn’t say why - he does however latch on to Nero who also is off wagon - now without checking Nero’s posts - off the top of my head & too much time hanging around site chat - I _think _ Nero knows Chickadee somehow IRL so perhaps was just being sympathetic to Chickadee saying she was legit busy

But never the less, it kinda looks like Varsoon is essentially asking Nero to do his bidding for him by asking him to tell the group why chicks might be town - like - if I was town and I’m town reading someone, I would work at taking people into not lynching that slot - why would you trust someone you don’t know the alignment of to do that for you?

Not looking great here

[profii]

So I kinda feel RR is the towniest of the 3 ISOs - whilst there is a number of Chickadee references that one could construe look like someone subtly saying nah my scum buddy is alright, I kinda interpret the ISO as a whole as someone like I typically would see Thor who picks a lynch and pushes hard for their way & in respect of that, i was that push so probably a distraction from allowing RR to sort elsewhere properly

[profii]

@Nero: For real, though, thoughts on Chikadee and the Chikadee wagon and why you've decided to go against the grain there?

So this is probably the most gross thing I saw in the 3 ISOs

As I just said - Varsoon said he didn’t want to lynch Chick in his ISO, so why ask someone else to convince you of something you are already believing ?


A logical answer to that question is simple - if you can convince a town to tell the town a scum is town, you are not associated to that mess


VOTE: Varsoon

[profii]

You win when you've eliminated all competition and subdued the Town.

Non flavor hint as well.

This quite clearly says multiball to me

you have to face some serious new problems going against major crime forces, professional killers, and law enforcement officers alike

[profii]

Nero what was the basis of your town read on Chickadee yesterday please

[profii]

You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang, but are generally considered to be the Underdogs of this crime-infested "warzone" town. You do everything together, which should make things easier but at the same time you have to face some serious new problems going against major crime forces, professional killers, and law enforcement officers alike.

I read the flip as multiball (major crime forces) and serial killer(s) (Professional killers)

So there is every chance that one of the players encouraging Toogeloo to hara-kiri is just a serial killer - they can appear like they are scum hunting, because that is a threat to their win con and makes them look townie, whilst at the same time just simply trying to remove people out the game.

I've definitely spotted serial killers because they just want

anyone

to die, rather than the

right

person... I need to look again but that might be happening here.

[profii]

I feel like nero is more salty / fighty when he's scum

[profii]

So looking at what Cerb is saying about trying to coach Toog into using his role wisely - I think it looks legit.

I think RR saying that was the objective of what he was doing and it was sincere so that's a consideration for me...

Now, I've not played much (if any? IDK) multiball on here before so like the point that !otherscum! team will likely been on Clemency wagon was like an adjustment in my thinking (I'm slow ok)

But that makes me reconsider the RR and Toog episode? I guess so because now we know Toog is town, that means !scum and !otherscum would have flocked to the wagon - I think this means that if RR was scum he'd have to be like "Guys wait and see who rushes this wagon to find the other team" - I think that would be tough to do without dropping your own team in it... so not really a scum lean on RR.

But

we have the serial killer potential aspect in this game too I think. The bit that you could probably argue is that RR was using Toog to serve his own purpose - obviously a SK can scum hunt like the rest of us and wants to remove all of us so helping a town is no skin off their nose - now the bit I think I have to consider is RR coached Toog into getting associatives going (this benefits all) but ALSO voted for Toog.

now this can be explained away as "yeah I wanted to coach him and demonstrate/accelerate the lesson" but it can also be explained as "I want to remove players by applying pressure/mind games"

It comes down to how devious you consider cerb to be I think - SK lean for me.

[profii]

Who is Nico

[profii]

VOTE: gamma

[profii]

There is a link to Chickadee in the gamma iso and there are loads of associatives to get out of the gamma lynch. Go look for them they are there

[profii]

I would appreciate succinctly phrased justifications for Gamma and Nero, preferably from the progenitors of the wagons.

I looked at Gamma, there are a couple of 'little' associations to Chickadee (like he says 'ew' to FL calling out Chick declaring her inactivity upfront - chainsawy ish) it's minor but it's there sort of thing.

So then, coming into this day, there seems to be a fair bit of momentum on Gamma and it also seems to have polarised opinions - obviously momentum is generated by people saying lets do it, some people have distinctly said nope and others, such as yourself have said hang on lets case it properly.


So I hadn't really considered gamma and felt I needed to look into it to decide myself what I thought...

I found the minor Chickadee links, which means he could potentially be a team mate - great this can be a scum lynch
People are piling on - great this means other people are seeing Chick links to justify their scum read, but given the momentum, the !other-scum team are probably in there, so this might help us find them

Plus I give you a town cookie for coming in with a 'hang on guys' kinda perspective


so lots of info to be gleaned right now I think.

[profii]

CheekyTeeky...?

[profii]

because?

[profii]

because?

Like how is 3 votes before you "people piling on" and what do you mean by "the other scum team" and why is RR holding back AI??

Yesterday I searched the thread for "gamma" and looked at people interested in lynching him after the N1 flip. There were 5 - might not all have been votes but it felt like something happening.

by "the other scum team" I've already said I think this is multiball

and RR is town for coming in like 'whats going on' because

my theory is Gamma made some Chick defense, as I said very minor. So let's theorise Gamma = Clemencys team.

This means, in multiball, !otherscum can legit scum hunt Gamma - hence my perception of momentum so they are going to be on that fast.
Players who are on the theoretical Gamma/Clemency team, don't want to lose another buddy, so they will resist (I have a list of 3 obvious people that did this)

Then player who are town and have no idea whats going on would do what RR did and be like whats going on can we case this properly - I had to go rummaging through the ISO to work out why Gamma was getting pushed, so if your agenda is town motivated - i.e. lets lynch the right people, you want to do things in a considered way, if you motivation is scum or 3p - you know who you can/cant lynch so you are a bit more rapid about things.


So to me, the push on gamma has given me 8 people to keep a close eye on and 1 person to give town points to. So lets go for it

[profii]

the !other-scum team are probably in there,

@Creature.

this is in the flip:

You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang, but are generally considered to be the Underdogs of this crime-infested "warzone" town. You do everything together, which should make things easier but at the same time

you have to face some serious new problems going against major crime forces, professional killers,

and law enforcement officers alike


that says to me !otherscum + serial killers

[profii]

BTW

I said my theory is people pushing Gamma are probably !otherscum trying to find scum!gamma for associative to Chick-lemncy - of which Gamma fits the bill.
!otherscum don't care if Gamma is town or scum as a lynch is fine.

IMO it seems prudent to work on the assumption of multiball until something suggests it's single ball and now we have

1. CheekyTeeky pushing gamma.
2. CheekyTeeky calling my theory on this awkward - It comes over weird that you would discredit the idea of multiball if you were town, however !otherscum have to push it to create the idea they are legit scum hunting the !scum team.

IMO I think we will find our first !otherscum here.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[profii]

assume law enforcement officials being a serious problem means corrupt cops that are scum right?

no because that flip was a scum PM - obviously cops are a problem for scum so why would they need to be corrupt.

I read that as "there are cops in this game"

[profii]

@profii: Are you no longer scumreading gamma?

There are definitely potential links to Chickadee in the ISO but it's not like sound the alarm we've caught scum here guys or anything like that. It's one to just be aware of.

Cheeky is way way higher on the scale of scum right now for the points I just made

[profii]

You are TMIing and now you're panicking

I don't panic

[profii]

1. CheekyTeeky pushing gamma.
2. CheekyTeeky calling my theory on this awkward

1. How does pushing gamma make me scum?
2. I called your whole post + tone awkward - your "theory" I called a scumslip. No idea how this makes me scum.

1. makes you scum because I think there are better people to push than gamma, so given that 5 people were in favour of it, seems co-ordinated, i.e. by !otherscum
2. it fits neatly in my theory that I'm pushing - Gamma is the nominated mislynch by otherscum because his ISO includes some minor Chickadee associatives. So you saying that multiball is unlikely seems like I'm onto something.

can you clarify for me exactly what info I've TMI'd? (and bear in mind my answer is likely to be "I got that from the flip" just to give you a headstart)

[profii]

it was just a misunderstanding, but I feel like cheeky's concern was valid

explaino pleaseo?

[profii]

2. CheekyTeeky calling my theory on this awkward - It comes over weird that you would discredit the idea of multiball if you were town

Lmfao I'm not discrediting multiball I'm discrediting you spewing that there are multiple groupscum. You are TMIing and now you're panicking. Both Gamma and Profii have omgused me when pushed on their spews.

Missed this
I find it laughable you think that was a multiball spew when it would be better argued as a singleball spew

I just re-read what Cheeky said now Gamma re-quoted it.

to be clear, I think there is at least 2 scum teams AND at least 1 SK but probably more as "professional killers" was plural in the flip.

I am assuming by multiball Cheeky means 1 scum team and 1 SK would be multiball.
I assume multiple group scum is cheekys way of saying 2 scum teams - I don't know why this is such an outlandish suggestion given the PM flip.

Also there were a number of people who pointed out the 'other scum team' would be racing on the Clemency wagon. Now whilst this could just be people reading the flip properly, it can also be scum who are aware their team is too small for a 26p game. Hadn't thought of that before actually, might go look at who they were properly

[profii]

I am using !otherscum because it will be easier to talk about !scum and !otherscum clearly. It'll be a trend that takes off - promise!

[profii]

When

scumslip! lol!1!one!

[profii]

I am using !otherscum because it will be easier to talk about !scum and !otherscum clearly. It'll be a trend that takes off - promise!

If you help me out with Varsooning in place of death tunneling then I'll back you up with !otherscum.

I've no objection to a varsoon lynch.

[profii]

ohh

[profii]

The !1!one! Inferred a joke

[profii]

Ok seriously someone please explain the Hebi case.

Just do it

VOTE: hebi

[profii]

@CheekyTeeky: It's the post as a whole. profii's posts weren't obvious snippets of a conversation that was meant to occur elsewhere. If he had said *anything* with no connection to what was being said/had been said, in teh form of him CORRECTING something he HAD NEVER SAID here, then even without the "other scumteam" bit I'd still consider it a slip.

How can you not see that all the conclusions Profii formed looked explicitly like someone on a scumteam (probably not with Chick) who has some info about another scumteam. When he said "other scumteam" it looked like he slipped there are definitely at least two

teams

and he's on one of them.

That post was directed at you, have you responded to profii?

Why are you blatantly ignoring the flip

[profii]

dude, Cheeky is just scum. I'll take care of her tonight. Just ignore her.

Well I was obviously gonna cop her >=[

[profii]

We'll DOUBLE cop her!

High 5!

[profii]

We'll DOUBLE cop her!

Count me in

High 10!

[profii]

Like, if creature is literally just talking to himself, and not actually completing any of his thoughts? :-/ I guess it could be a not-scum thing. *sigh*

-Cerb

I'm really suspicious of the fact that RR did not consider this very simple explanation and went in guns blazing and only "reconsidered" after creature explained. Not very rational actions. Very careless in fact. Especially that creature often talks to himself because he posts in his chopped up spam posting style.

Like how is posting in the wrong thread more likely than someone talking to himself? Are PTs not a different background in themes other than default mafblack?

Is creature really that threatening that people jumped on him for nonsensical reasons twice now? The d1 debacle that gave us a guilty on chick and now.

What's with the VT hate.. VT is the best role


Pedit - drewva just don't talk about the hammer thing anymore if you're not willing to listen to people correcting you.

I took me about 4 re-reads to understand the proper context of why Creature didn’t scum slip

This is mad shady

[profii]

Nero = hit and run

Creature = appeared to be shot

Cheeky = “possibly shot”

Mala = acid


So 2 shots and 2 distinctly different kill methods

My guess is 2 scum kills (shots)
And 2 3p kills (someone who has a driving flavour and an acid flavour) - who is familiar with films to flavour game that?

Also - cheeky “possibly shot” - maybe that means the janitor paid particular attention there as they were team mates because the hint from the theme is there

Aaaand finally 2 cop references so the cops will know if thats driven by night actions - given some of the flavour so far, multiple cops wouldn’t be a surprise?



I don’t play many themes - that’s the most I’ve ever paid attention to flavour - am I over-interpreting it or is any of that potentially clues?

[profii]

lmao

Just realized mod used a survivor wincon on his sample town role PM

Let me be frank with you all, each time I realize someone didn't fully read the rules/sample role PM/their own role PM/the opening day post flavor.. etc.. a little bit inside me dies.

I do not post all that much so as not to disrupt the flow of the game in anyway, but I try to be humorous, and give vague hints in my rules/flavour without actually giving away much.

If you don't want to be looking for clues, fine.. at least read it for the chuckles. I promise you'll at least smile once or twice.

Eh.. enough rambling. Carry on, please.

this post made me pay attention

[profii]

The good news is 5 people died so minimum 1 anti town

[profii]

The good news is 5 people died so minimum 1 anti town

That’s not clear - i mean with regards to the rule 8 saying max 4 people in a day AND night cycle

[profii]

True...

RIP in pieces toog, we salute your sacrifice

[profii]

Flavour Leaf

Hopefully this doesn’t give too much away - do you have a menu of kill flavours you can choose or are you just totally making yours up?

[profii]

If the guilty is not legit then there is something strange going on.

@protective roles
Keep my buddy RCE alive please or whoever you want around. My results could be tainted if heb flips town. Guess we see what I get tonight but if heb somehow flips town then I will only post my result if requested as to not skew peoples SRs.

also this post sounds to me like you knew your guilty could not be accurate

Yet today youre saying you dont understand how it wasnt accurate

That’s a good shout

[profii]

The BEF sifting RCE started _before_ night 1 commenced, so either there is a day factor to BEF, some kind of mason element, a strong read or TMI

So BEF comes right out the blocks after N1 and instantly votes Hebi so he must have confidence in either his result (or his plan of course)

There was a little bit of talk from BEF re how Toog didn’t get the hammer, a minor consideration of Nero and then stronger Hebi hints which set the wagon away.

Then - post hammer - the post that Wisdom quoted where BEF decides to hint his result could be tainted - as Wisdom correctly points out, potentially BEF knows something


VOTE: BEF

To consider removing my vote I will need to see:

1. Full explicit role claim
2. Why BEF chose Hebi
3. Who and why BEF chose night 2
4. The result from night 2
5. An explaination of the tainted comment

Obviously we can see Hebi was a VT so we need to find out why this went wrong - here is the ways we can do that:
1. Hear out BEF, sounds like he knows _something_ about it
2. Wait for the role manipulating this to come forward (sure!)
3. Lynch to prove BEF, thereby giving all other roles caution that their results are liable to interference

Given that BEF led us to a fake guilty I think we have to go this way for now

[profii]

DrewVa - I take it you have no idea why the no result on you happened? It must have been an external influence etc

[profii]

I get why people want to vote me, even if they see it as a policy lynch. However, if I get to L-1 someone with a power role should not hammer.

You’re a super saint?

This doesn’t explain what BEF is doing at night, assuming his role is a 2 parter

[profii]

1. No idea

2. Not noticed any specific mention in this game but I’ve seen weird PRs duplicated before

3. Minimum of 1 scum dead, as you say, Hebi means 1 of the 4 town deaths was take up so it can’t be 4 town deaths - but it could be 2 scum 3 town or even, if you are a believer in multi scum the it might be 1/2/2 - there are more permeatations if you think serial killer but you get the point

4. Would assume we need a further Pr for that- not sure if that exists - I’m not super familiar with all the potential roles

[profii]

Sounds too convoluted for a fake claim but I am not a fake claim expert

[profii]

Fake edit - I suppose fake claims are provided so hummm

[profii]

I'm not really familiar with the Rambo movies.
Does someone eventually kill Rambo?

Me neither - but given boxing / super saint discussion I imagine Rambo gets back up at the end for one final strike sort of thing

[profii]

Lol yes

[profii]

What made you track BEF on N1, Alchemist?

[profii]

Not with a global doctor

[profii]

Reading BEF/Alc ISOs and alcs narrative seems like the one to go with... I’m already voting ha

[profii]

Are we co ordinating a DGB hammer? Now is the time

[profii]

What made you think Toog was the rolemthat can hammer you BEF

Like specifically

[profii]

What if BEF is Rambo and will go down fighting but the fake guilty was to try and take down half a dozen of us at once ?

[profii]

VOTE: Unvote

I’m just going to try killing him tonight. People (scum) can try to stop me, but they’ll likely die in the process.

I have a feeling he’s a scum role that can kill a lot of people , and that he isn’t necessarily lying about that.

This is what I mean

UNVOTE:

The progression is
Day 1 - Netflix and chill your way through
Day 2- fake guilty, get dat mislynch yo
Day 3 - probably hope for another fake guilty, but - seeing as the wagon is as big as you’re gonna be, embrace that sweet sweet Rambo vengeance


UNVOTE:

[profii]

Risk mitigation is we lynch BEF with a smaller wagon

[profii]

Also I’m phone posting right now. If we get a scum flip, we will look at the odd/even factor and who joined in “safe spots”

[profii]

I’m curious if my blank unvote will work or do I need to add the name but I’m leaving it like this to find out:lol:

[profii]

lynch is still on btw
dont let him terrorize you
If he was scum and he could kill all those people he wouldnt tell us

I feel like you're arguing against him being scum.

Also, thoughts on risk mitigation? (because it could totally be true and him still be scum btw)

-Cerb

Yeah he has the potential to die tonight saying - my fake claim got a mislynch + a 10 strong wagon meant I picked off 5 players

So he is 6-1 winning


Definitely requires mitigation as RR says

[profii]

Clemency was hammered

Overkill 2; D1 Final VC

VC#?

Clemency

(14):

Fortian (830), pinturicchio (1599),

RCEnigma

(1601), Wisdom (1650), davesaz (1658),

BrightEyedFish

(1731),

Alchemist21

(1750), Tails (1913), BuJaber (2022),

Alonzo

(2242), profii (2288), DrewVa (2381),

hebichan

(2406),

Clemency

(2407),[/size]

BuJaber (4):

DrippingGoofball (609), Thor665 (

1438

), Varsoon (1452),

Nero Cain

(2147),

Flavor Leaf (2):

Malakitty

(1178),

Creature

(1921),

Creature (2):

Flavor Leaf (2030), Gamma Emerald (2397),

profii (1):

Reasonably Rational (893),

Tails (1):

CheekyTeeky

(2070),

Not voting (2):

Toogeloo

, Amzela (1827),

Deadline Suspended

hebichan was hammered

Overkill 2; D2 Final VC

VC#?

hebichan

(13):

BrightEyedFish

,

Creature

, Wisdom,

CheekyTeeky

, profii,

Nero Cain

,

hebichan

, Varsoon, davesaz, Gamma Emerald, DrewVa, Amzela, BuJaber,[/size]

Nero Cain

(3):

pinturicchio, Tails,

RCEnigma

,

Reasonably Rational (1):

Fortian,

Creature

(1):

Reasonably Rational,

CheekyTeeky

(1):

Alchemist21,

RCEnigma

(1):

DrippingGoofball,

Not voting (4): Flavor Leaf, Thor665,

Malakitty

,

Alonzo

,

Deadline Suspended

BrightEyedFish was hammered

Overkill 2; D3 Final VC

VC#?

BrightEyedFish

(10):

Alonzo

, DrewVa,

Alchemist21

, Wisdom, Varsoon,

RCEnigma

, Gamma Emerald, BuJaber, Reasonably Rational, pinturicchio,[/size]

Not voting (9): Flavor Leaf, Thor665, davesaz, Amzela, Tails, profii,

BrightEyedFish

, DrippingGoofball, Fortian,

Deadline Suspended

I thiiiiiiiink that's everything we know thus far

[profii]

In Clemencys role flip it says
You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang,
and it also says:
but at the same time you have to face some serious new problems

going against major crime forces,

professional killers, and law enforcement officers alike.


and then, Cheeky Teeky says:
eliminated all competition
and specifically, Mafia in the actual role.



i still say multiball.

[profii]

a50 is just crafty and used red font for them both.

[profii]

That meant someone on town's side shot Cheeky, because a Roleblocker doesn't actually do any killing.

What do you mean by that

[profii]

It makes her a multiball denier which is the derp that made me think cheeky was scum in the first place so just wanted some clarity there

[profii]

Also, first thought right now is that BEF received Alonzo's N1 results, saw a guilty, claimed a guilty(to communicate the guilty to whoever the cop was), and that's basically it.

Which, coupled with the likelihood that Alonzo's initial vote was on his cop target means...

VOTE: Gamma

+ existance of a Busdriver =

VOTE: Gamma

/sheeping

[profii]

Also, first thought right now is that BEF received Alonzo's N1 results, saw a guilty, claimed a guilty(to communicate the guilty to whoever the cop was), and that's basically it.

Which, coupled with the likelihood that Alonzo's initial vote was on his cop target means...

VOTE: Gamma

-Cerb

I thought the same thing, but why did BEF incriminate hebi? Was he just wrong?

bus driver!

[profii]

I'm sick. I'll either be here a lot...or not at all. We'll see. Have fun kids.

Nice setup of using you being sick as a potential alibi for coasting!

Ew.

Chickadee is probably flipping scum or 3P here but BuJ remains the ideal lynch today.

I feel that this statement warrants explanation.

-Cerb

Post-game, maybe.

Maybe

Why only postgame, what advantage would that give?

I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
If you’re making that type of statement you’d probably have already done analysis to support it. Since you haven’t that means it’s a crock of shit.

Can we get chickadee today and DGB tomorrow? If I need the puppy dog eyes ok but...

No.
Chick/Clem seems to be a LHF push based on activity

I'm gonna place a bet that Gamma flips the same team as Chick.

[profii]

[profii]

I'm not sure why Alonzo's result even matters here; we've only had one vanilla flip out of what, like 10 people? Doesn't make Gamma guilty but I'd like to see a stronger "Gamma is scum" argument than "Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

3769

he was doing as much as he could for chick day 1.

they are fairly obvious buddies from that imo

[profii]

Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

not removing my vote without a claim then

[profii]

I was expecting a lot more killing when I was invited to this game

This

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Stop this

Stop what?

You’re just doing your night 1 always target FL thing, but had you targeted me, you’d be dead.

I thought this was PGO crumbing but with the BEF flip, I've no idea and ultimately want to just lynch before we get too close to MyLo/LyLo

[profii]

I'm not sure why Alonzo's result even matters here; we've only had one vanilla flip out of what, like 10 people? Doesn't make Gamma guilty but I'd like to see a stronger "Gamma is scum" argument than "Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

Also, the way Cheeky was hardpushing him, makes me think that they are never w/w here.

again, 3769

[profii]

yeah im saying from the flip info, now confirmed by A50 it's Underdog (Chicka) VS Mafia (cheeky)

And to me it very much looks like Gamma was doing what he could for Chicka

[profii]

And why does that make Gamma scum?

At night I did some vca and the result came back Gamma = scum

I’ve highlighted how he is linked to Chickadee from day 1 and I noted of the 2 mislynches, Gamma was happy to go with both of them - noted that these lynches were biased by a fake guilty - however the thing that made me consider this at night was there were a significant amount of people that when “no ta”

So for me, it became very apparent last night that Gamma is scum because
1. I can see the link to other scum
2. He was happy to lynch both town mislynches, which is separates him from a couple of people in the VCA that wanted to just kill everyone

I agree it looks bad for Varsoon when Gamma flips red but let’s get 1 down first and work from there

[profii]

@A50: Can you please edit in the roles for each of the flips in the OP? It helps a lot to just see what roles died when without having to go to the actual flips, especially when they're a mess of flavor that doesn't matter for figuring out what information people may have been trying to crumb without claiming.

Also: BEF, next time you use a cop gambit as a PGO to draw fire, claim ascetic at the same time. It'll keep people from getting themselves killed trying to verify you, and though it'll make it a bit harder to keep from being lynched, it'll keep you from killing a doctor accidentally. Also also also: When a tracker exposes themselves to get you lynched, don't try to scare people off the lynch; come clean, and either claim PGO and lose all your utility, but know that you're guaranteed to take out a scum slot unless they want you gamesolving all game long, or else claim something else that isn't cop, but is still threatening to scum.

Also, first thought right now is that BEF received Alonzo's N1 results, saw a guilty, claimed a guilty(to communicate the guilty to whoever the cop was), and that's basically it.

Which, coupled with the likelihood that Alonzo's initial vote was on his cop target means...

VOTE: Gamma

-Cerb

Bus driver point - if Alonzo tried to cop Gamma he hinted it as per here

If BEF got a Hebi result then it could have been busdrivered

If Gamma has any useful results he should share

[profii]

Don’t lynch me. Thanks, bye.

I’m gonna just coast. I’m probably a SK. If not SK, I’m Mafia.

Reactions? Go.

@Wisdom - First post in the game.

There are 8.9 million reasons why no one will take a post 1 claim from your seriously :p

[profii]

When do I ever push this hard FL?

[profii]

When do I ever push this hard FL?

What is this in response to?

I think it makes sense that you push me here, tbh. I don’t think you’ve been pushing me hard at all, but Ithink you’re getting to the area that you’re just going to be paranoid of ScumMe.

However, before I don’t think you’ve ever pushed me as scum, or even considered me as scum besides that first game we played in.

I’ve never rolled scum against you either, though.

You said you don’t think Gamma is scum and I haven’t done nearly anything else today but push him

[profii]

Well I am a cop >=[

[profii]

That and having a result on gamma, yeah

He might have a result. He doesn’t have a guilty.

If I have a guilty should I hard claim cop and trade scum gamma 1 for 1 cop profii ?

[profii]

Stop what?

You’re just doing your night 1 always target FL thing, but had you targeted me, you’d be dead.

Lol You’re right I have no result

sure?

[profii]

anyway, don't answer that - lynch gamma and just revel in my glory for just one time, that's all I ask

[profii]

I'm not sure why Alonzo's result even matters here; we've only had one vanilla flip out of what, like 10 people? Doesn't make Gamma guilty but I'd like to see a stronger "Gamma is scum" argument than "Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

Wait what
I thought there was a cop guilty on me and the mention of bus driver made me think it was bus driven somehow
But if it’s a vanilla cop “guilty” then why the fuck would that dictate votes now...?

I have a guilty on you

[profii]

I'm not interested in vague guilties after the last two days.

2nd time you've pushed against a gamma lynch

imma cop u l8r m8 >=[

[profii]

Well I am a cop >=[

Press X to doubt

either we lynch you or the other scum kill you later I guess

but you are scum

[profii]

BuJ
old buddy old pal

you believe my guilty on gamma? right... right???

[profii]

Are you really intent on 1v1ing this?

sure

[profii]

Are you really intent on 1v1ing this?

as a thought - what is your objection to lynching gamma anyway?

[profii]

sure
I went FL N1 but got no result - hence I literally said I got no result in that post I quoted recently - that was the breadcrumb.
Then I went Cheeky but she died so I did not breadcrumb it at all for the sake of surviving
Then I went gamma based on some VCA I did overnight and got a guilty.

Note - my role says I can only catch scum, not any other wackos - so I went for FL on N1 because I thought it would give me credibility with FL and he would back me. I've been joking about it though for survival measures.
I went for Cheeky because she was derping and I went for Gamma based on his links to Chick as I quoted + he was quite happy on the 2 town lynches as I posted so it seemed like a fair choice.

my character is "Joe Bomowski"
I've never seen the film

[profii]

oh and my guilty literally says he is on chicks team hence I was pushing that at the start of the day too.

[profii]

so that's me dead

[profii]

How are the results phrased? I've seen several variations when it comes to results. Essentially, what is your character looking for?

But basically, the FL one said the computer was down so I got no result, I just interpreted that as a role block - I assume cheeky believed me or something.
The 2nd one told me the investigation led to organised crime and it actually said mafia for cheeky
then the Gamma one said someone had tipped off there was a group of kids called the underdogs and gamma was a member.

(sorry a50 If I'm not supposed to blab this but I am not c+v'ing!!!)

[profii]

it just popped into my mind - when I was messing with Nero that we were all going to cop cheeky - that was my pre-breadcrumb, given the death I didn't see the point of giving the result. I forgot I did that...


anyway, VCA I didn't feel like sharing earlier but now I might as well

There was a Gamma wagon earlier... I noted people who pushed for it and people who actively objected to it. I also annotated these slots with their status on the Chickadee wagon...

PUSHING Gamma
Drewva - on
Alonzo - on
Creature - off
Wisdom - on
Cheeky - off

AGAINST Gamma wagon:
Tails - on
Buj - on
Varsoon - off


So, let's look firstly at those against, now we know that Chick and Gamma are on one team and can openly discuss:

Varsoon looks pretty shocking as he didn't want to lynch either of these 2 underdogs.
BuJ has an ISO worth checking, as whilst he was on the Chick wagon, I can't remember from this copypasta if he was near the end and just inevitably bussed - however I do feel him taking my claim for granted in this day of doubt that he might just have TMI'd.
Tails I struggle to read.

So then we have people who were pushing Gamma, so let's assume we need to look for Mafia here, these are people that would be happy to vote Gamma and Chick so that is

Wisdom and Drew.

now let's look at the town mislynches who appears:

well gamma was on both - that was why I copped - overnight I found the chicka links I posted.

Drew was on both town lynches + chicka + gamma
Wisdom was on Chicka + gamma push + the 2 town mislynches

so those 2 cooooould be mafia because they've been involved in all death - I figured gamma was a safer bet as the town lynches were skewed by the fake guilty.


I was going to cop Varsoon tonight but I'm basically dead now

[profii]

I kinda wanna go for Mafia to prove I'm not fiddling that no result on FL with the roleblocker flip from cheeky

But I also think getting rid of a faction (I.e. the link to Varsoon seems obvious to me) is overall beneficial because it stems night kills a touch

plus my pm says I can't get the wackos so I pretty much have to scum hunt rather than say clear inactives or whatever

[profii]

Profii, if you live, look at FL again.

nah fuck that

[profii]

actually I see your point im dead anyway so why not

[profii]

yeah I'll cop FL again

[profii]

nah dude I had to out myself to get you all on this wagon I wondered if I'd survive again but then you lot might lose the result

[profii]

So BEF sacrificed himself, hebi, and potentially any protectives that visit him just to kill 1 scum?

to be fair, in multiball, he might have hoped that a fake guilty made both parties believe he was !otherscum so then he could have got 2 which would have been p. cool.

[profii]

i missed 3847 - page must have turned in real time or whatever...

this definitely needs copping