[SETUP] Starvation Island

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[SETUP] Starvation Island

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:12 pm

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Starvation Island
  • 5 town, 2 scum; no power roles
  • Each player starts with 15 food (adjustable to "adjust the deadline"). There's no normal voting; the food mechanic replaces the voting mechanic.
  • Players can give their food away to other players at will (i.e. spending 1 food to give 1 food to another player). This action is public.
  • Players can spend 1 food to take 1 food away from another player. This action is also public.
  • Nightless; every 24 hours, each player simultaneously loses 1 food.
  • Players with 0 food left are eliminated and can no longer participate in the game (as usual, they still win with their faction).
  • Town win if all scum are dead, and at least 2 townies are still alive.
  • Scum win if town are reduced to one living player, or if nothing can prevent this.


There are some similarities to Angel Nightless here (in particular, there's an obvious HURT: /HEAL: tag usage), but the setup seems notably different in nature as it's mostly about saving people, rather than about throwing them out. (The "hurt" action is there as a safety valve against trolling scum; I suspect that most of the time, it would be a bad idea to use it. Both "hurt" and "heal" leave the town/scum balance of food the same if used correctly, and shift it by 2 if used on the wrong alignment, though, so they may turn out to be equally viable.)

The "two townies must live" rule seems to be necessary to avoid breaking strategies (such as choosing the most obvious townie and forcing everyone to pile up their food onto that player). That's a bit of a pain, as it makes the (otherwise very simple) setup a bit harder to explain, but I guess we'll have to live with it.

Can anyone see a breaking strategy here and/or does anyone think this is unbalanced? If not, I'm considering running it.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:32 am

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Pick the two towniest players and make everyone pile food on them? :P That has an EV of 10/21 but I suspect it'd be higher in practice.

The other thing I'm considering is voting on players to "suicide bomb" someone else-- spend enough food to kill both at once. (Any unauthorized transfer of food would be punishable by death.) I haven't calculated the EV, but I suspect it will be the same or almost the same, since the suicide bomb strategy requires identifying two townies and can be accomplished by identifying no more than two townies.

It doesn't seem unbalanced. It seems like, no matter how you slice it, the goal of the game is "identify two townies", and you're just giving them more toys to play with in order to do that.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:44 am

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Yes, that's fair enough. (You can also play the game as effectively a 5:2 nightless, which is also close in EV terms, at 3/7 = 9/21. So breaking the setup hardly seems to help, although it does help a bit.) Voting mechanics – and this is a voting mechanic, really – are pretty much just there to adjudicate what happens if everyone starts acting for themself; if there's a broad consensus on how to act, the specifics of the mechanic hardly matter.
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