Micro 831: Great Idea Mafia (Game Over)

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Vote Count #2.3 (FINAL):

Maruchan: Micc, Bicephalous Bob, Simeon, Maruchan (4)

My eyes must be going bad. I went through Maruchan's ISO twice and don't see him voting for himself.

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Yo Persivul. Long time no see

Yeah it's been over a year.

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FOS: Micc

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1. There was a day kill D1.
2. The only roles that can do this are town 1X dayvig and mafia 1X dayvig (please correct me if that's wrong, but that's all I see).
3. No one has flipped or claimed town dayvig, so there's a mafia dayvig.
4. Mafia dayvig killed shortaru.
5. shortaru had already claimed town compulsive childkiller.
6. Compulsive childkiller is not at all dangerous to scum.
7. Therefore, shortaru was killed for his reads.
8. Aside from Tazaro, shortaru scum read Gamma (who is now dead and flipped town) and ... Micc.

I'm really not vibing Micc atm.

I could totally lynch him.

Micc, who is scum?

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LOL - well that changes things.

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But no, it doesn't change things. I read the ISOs again. I still hate yours, and I still like dave and simeon.

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The 30 minute reread has me leaning towards davesaz being scum. His involvement on both the tazaro and maruchan wagons was basically "I think this person is scum and the wagon has support so I'll vote there".

But in reality, tazaro had a single vote. The wagon didn't have support. dave replaced in, gave a partial reads list, and put the second vote on tazaro in 177. Now the wagon had some support.

You

then came in just two posts later and basically said "I think this person is scum and the wagon has support so I'll vote there".

and yeah I'm in for this wagon. I've got other stuffs to do but I'll be back later tonight.

VOTE: Tazaro

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What do you mean by "out of default"?

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Sortaru and I had expressed scumreads and Simeon was already voting Tazaro so I'd say there was support for the wagon before davesaz replaced in. At least as much support as any other wagon had at that point in the game.

Expressing a scum read but not voting, only to vote once the wagon gains traction, is scummy AF.

I realize I didn't get back to the thread to explain my tazaro vote and that it looks pretty bad.

Yes, it does.

I almost replaced out over that weekend but thankfully the night phase was enough of a break to get me through. Despite this I don't think davesaz's vote was any stronger than mine and yet no one is willing to consider that.

1. davesaz gave a partial reads list upon placing in. I give that a lot of credit.

2. So, same situation - if you think it's scummy, why aren't you pushing him? Making weak suggestions in hope that someone else picks up the case and pushes it is a scum move.

We're headed in the direction of losing this game by mislynching me out of default and I don't know what I can do about that.

Push the person you think is scum. That's what you can do about it.

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I like Persivul so far, but I didn't quite tr bob.

You don't need to like or tr either of us. Scum doesn't fakeclaim one of the very few roles that can conftown itself. I'm not doing it now on the slight chance that scum is a day vig, but I will if needs be.

Micc seems genuine atm

Micc seems like caught scum ATM. We're in mylo, there are two days left in phase, and instead of scum hunting he's playing the

we'll lose if you lynch me

game.

Read his ISO. It's a lot of setup spec with a couple very weak pushes.

Simeon's and dave's aren't stellar, but they're significantly better.

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I don't TR any of you. Might as well put it on the table.

Which means POE is out for you. So... who do you scum read? How about putting that on the table...

MYLO... two days left in phase... today's a holiday in the US. This isn't looking good right now, folks.

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VOTE: Micc

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That reads list wasn’t rooted in anything. He could have pulled it from anywhere. Are you going to tell me you like bulbazoor too simply because he gave a partial read list?

First, bulbazoor didn't give a reads list, partial or otherwise.

Second, a reads list, particularly early in the game, is risky for scum, because if they need to later vote someone who they previously town read, they have to come up with a good reason for the change. Reads lists used to be common practice, but site meta has changed on that, and IMO it's a change for the worse.

I’ve said I’m leaning that direction the whole day and was pretty vocally not satisfied with his responses to me trying to wngage him. I’m not sure why you’d think I’m doing anything but pushing him.

Oh, I dunno, maybe it was that whole lack of a vote on him with phase nearing end.

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I don't have more to say until Micc and Bulb post.

Looks pretty likely to go to a no lynch.

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That's progress. You're most likely town because if you were scum it would not matter to you if you mislynched me or someone else.

Yeah, I was waiting to see if Micc moved to Simeon/Bulb when he came back. If he's not town, he's pretty sly scum.

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now turn that thought around and ask yourself who

has

been open to lynching just anybody today...

Uh...who?

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And also:

UNVOTE:

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davesaz

You mean the guy who DIDN'T join me in voting you?

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davesaz

You mean the guy who DIDN'T join me in voting you?

He sure wanted to. notice how he changed direction once bulba expressed having a mild town read on me?

What posts?

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Checked dave's ISO again, I don't see that you can reasonably conclude that he sure wanted to vote you. He complained that you chose a bad night action target. That's about it.

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And you agreed it was a bad choice.