good morning..
In post 505, Shoshin wrote:Back to Carmen. I feel like town in her position (L-1, under pressure) almost always care a lot about their potential mislynch, whereas scum tend to pretend they don't care because they wrongly think that lack of concern is a town-tell that will save them.
I think nine times out of ten, town in Carmen's position explain their reads instead of pretending they don't care, whereas scum often (more than half the time) keep refusing because they wrongly think that changing their behavior in response to votes makes them look scummy (changing behavior in reponse to votes isn't scummy; more often than not, it's the opposite).
I think in Carmen's case, it's even scummier because she's going out of her way to point out what she's doing, which is to say, the problem isn't just that she doesn't care about her lynching, the problem is that she's making a show of her lack of concern.
i disagree..town under pressure will NOT always care about their potential mislynch..just finished a game where town was fatalistic about her slot and she flipped town (unfortunately i was part of the wagon but that was after she failed to explain her reasoning and thought process after 3 or 4 times of prodding)..to be fair, i admit that carmen is not looking good here and im hoping she'll pop back soon and stop appearing disinterested, but we should give her the opportunity to respond back instead of being so ready to hammer..
In post 509, teacher wrote:[snip]
My reads have gotten stronger on town TW. A little weaker on Xwing simply from coasting when they are vla weekends and didnt seem to do much after securing a townread on Thur and Fri, but I still think the contentful posts ring townie. FWS has moved way down for me, Key has moved way up. Im at the point where my pool is Krazy, Elephant, Carmen, FWS.
Im still conflicted on Carmen and Elephant. Im locked that there is a scum there, but I want to double ISO for more confidence on which one. To be clear, my pure nulls on both were thinking one must be scum but not having strong pings on which one. Im also hesistant on reading Elephant because I have a genuine like for him as a person - I like how the game isnt personal for him. In my three games with him, Ive also misread him three times, so have little confidence on my ability to read his playstyle.
In addition to that double ISO, Im going to do a game search for Krazy, because I think reactions to that AFK may be informative. I want that slot to play the weekend like they said they would, and the two Friday posts seem like posting just to post without content or taking stances.
i agree with your tw reads, disagree on mine, disagree with FWS, okay with key, agree with carmen, not sure about irrel..i'm one with you re not sure how to read irrel (to be fair he was IC in my game so i was paranoid of him..maybe im sub consciously bringing it over here..also reading that irrel prefers to play scum is unsettling)..
i dislike your statement about me coasting, as we're on different time zones..
moving forward expect less activity from me as we're nearing the weekend (my time, UTC+13), i try to compensate by being active weekdays though..
i also dislike your statement on me being town coz of my "contentfulness".. (depending on what you meant)..so what do you mean by that exactly?
for now you're still on my town pile..
tw moves up to very townie..i think it's the towniest i've ever seen him..im a little spooked (in a good, unaccustomed sort of way)
In post 534, Shoshin wrote:Who cares? Just lynch her. She's already refused to claim while at L-1...
i care! strongly dislike shoshin post here about quick lynching carmen..are you that confident of scum!carmen? also, are you ignoring my slot for some reason? multiple people have already asked why you think i'm scum, you havent responded yet, but you keep responding to FWS (who is the only one seriously "attacking" you right now)..what gives?
i liked teacher's stance more..clearly he thinks that carmen might be scum but giving her time to respond and not to QH..
to be clear, im okay with lynching carmen slot, but not before giving her more time to explain..what's the rush here shoshin?
did anyone give intent? im not sure if teacher's statement counted as an intent..so maybe that's why she hasn't claimed?
In post 558, Krazy wrote:
In post 186, xwing wrote:re irrel: i've just finished playing with him and he's waaaaay different here than in newbie queue..but im thinking he's just adjusting his play based on the player list/level..so i have yet to slot him..just giving out my thoughts before i forget..
@xwing can you expand on your perceived difference in elephant's play?
i can talk about the game now coz it's completed..irrel was town there..i've already stated that i felt he was more informative/thoughtful in that game, but im thinking it's because he's playing against newer mafia players so he tried to explain his reads more and refrained from posting light/joke-y content (save for RVS)..but in hindsight his confidence on giving early town reads are similar fwiw..he gave them pretty early during that game as well..
In post 558, Krazy wrote:
In post 313, xwing wrote:shoshin slot pings me coz she still hasnt stopped talking about herself even after multiple comments from others..also when she got probed, multiple people immediately came to her meta defense..not sure what to think about this..
this reminds me a lot of how I felt when I first played with Shoshin, even if I think his read here might be wrong
townlean
why do you think im wrong with shoshin? yes i havent played with her, but im disliking her exchange with FWS..im favoring FWS more here..
In post 577, Shoshin wrote:To put it another way, FWS lacks a town perspective on this game. Everything he's saying comes from the perspective of someone who has no clue how a townie would actually respond.
why? what makes you say so?
going against popular opinion, im actually favoring FWS as town over shoshin right now..
i agree with krazy that FWS' early unconventional play makes it a bit harder to trust FWS' slot, but i think it's quite bold for scum!FWS to do that sort of entrance..moreover i get why FWS would not easily back down from his read, coz he *gasp* actually wants to grasp/probe where shoshin is coming from..which is townie motivation in my book..i dont understand how shoshin said that it's lacking a town perspective..
i may be biased here too, coz i dislike meta reads..i'd prefer the slots present themselves as is in the game outside of other games..
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@krazy - i didnt like how he posted meta games from others, felt a tad bit LAMIST to me..but read key's post somewhere that it's apparently krazy's playstyle, so okay i can understand that (with a grain/sackful of salt)..but we'll see if you're going to be able to read all of these metas?? i'll give you A for effort if you do..nevertheless i liked the other posts, seems like a genuine effort on sorting all the slots..also seeing that teacher agreed with krazy on his own (teacher's) meta read..and the fact that teacher is in my town pile..i need to read/see more..
@carmen - if you're town, unsolicited advice is please let us know your thought process and stop appearing disinterested..if you're town you're making yourself as easy lynchbait..
@FWS - RVS aside, im warming up to this slot re the shoshin/FWS "war"..im fine with sticking my head on this one and calling shoshin as scummier..
other reads remain the same..
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anyway you're at L-1 soooo there's that..
