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I'm not sure where to go with the "do whatever you want" sentiment, like there's defs a world where my reads are wrong somewhere and I feel like you're town before Rel is but I don't think either of you are, all that much
Despite d2 shenanigans w Ausuka/Keyser do you think Ausuka is ever a wolf with Dr. J here? I've found her play generally heaps townie and lije it wouldn't surprise me if someone d2 was pushing the TW v. Keyser fight if we're both town; or not Sheeping Keyser if he's a wolf; but idk who other than Dr. J I'm looking for-
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You ignored the interesting part of that post. Try again.
Shenanigans was Keyser's power???ing (power wolfsiding or something) and Ausuka's similar reads--difficult to parse if sheeping or just a parallel?-
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sorry only kinda like half here
I don't see a need to elaborate on Ausuka's heavy wolftells, wanna read an iso and a marathon and tell me if you disagree?-
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ok so you asked for me to elaborate on Ausuka's wolfgame because.........?-
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Pretty much yeah I may need to re-evaluate whether I still believe he was outside his scumrange tho-
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What did you think of my towncase on you Ausuka?-
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That's pretty much fine, just wanted to hear whether you thought I was on the right track.-
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if we're working with a communal PoE of {Lab, Rel, Volx} we still lynch Rel today-
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also analysing whether rel is aligned with volxen is a stronger read than whether volxen 'can be' scum in isolation :/
pedit: basically yeah, the only reason against lynching him atm is he isn't in anti spew mode which is probably slightly town indicative but...his actual content has still been super shallow and probably ate so it's basically geared towards spewing him not aligned with volxen
I'd say tmrw we should heaven {keyser, me} and the day after just keep nuking the PoE. I very much doubt I'm wrong on you keyser or eragon and will reevaluate Volxen but I trust either of myself or Keyser to read the associatives and thread context as long as Rel/Lab aren't factors. they're markedly harder to read.-
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I'll also, like. try to be present for Heaven 2.-
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how is the gamestate indicative of town!you?
players who are probably outside their scumrange don't magically fall back into it by being absent for a bit :/
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and?In post 1980, Irrelephant11 wrote:pedit: who doesn't want me lynched? I'm consensus, just like creature was-
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Ausuka and eragon are objectively higher town equity than you here dude where am I wrong?-
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to frame where my mind is at
if our solve is even close to correct it's objectively perfect scumplay to WIM as hard as you can and direct the lynch onto a townie preferably in the upper tier of the communal reads list which is why I'm pretty hard boycotting anyone but you or Labby being lynched today, and you'll need to convince me to vote Labby
Out of like respect for what I understand of your scumgame there's basically no way I can convince myself to read sheer d3 WIM as towniness-
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I didn't pedit because I think that gamestate read speaks for itself
Either were pants on head wrong and the team is like. volx/era or smth or whatever scum is in {Rel, Labby} is forced into a corner where WIM play is all you have left-
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if you and Labby are both town then its era/???
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I was so yelling about volxen being a better heaven candidate, I was just asleep for a lot of d2-
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We have two scum left, who do people think are actually aligned?-
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That's pretty much fine but like for example I strongly townread you because I don't think you're aligned with Dr. J, is that a bad read?-
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we're slowly falling into the trap of townreading everyone tho are we wrong on Eragon or is the issue further up the chain?-
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Relly what's the nefarious agenda you're asking me to see?-
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Putting his buddy as....?In post 2007, Irrelephant11 wrote:
I think eragon is the designated off-wagon scum, pushing mislynches while staying off the votecounts. I think his read on me is fake and now that popular opinion is I'm scum both scum have settled for lurking out the game phaseIn post 2004, the worst wrote:Relly what's the nefarious agenda you're asking me to see?-
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Throw something @ me on the Ausuka towncase or talk me thru why she's a wolf?-
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I'm not activity SRing Ausuka ever btw and I'm not biting on your "both wolves lurking" suggestion as it has at most, identical probability to my "both scums WIMposting" suggestion-
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In post 1861, the worst wrote:Yo
I'm just back to say this doesn't look like Ausuka's wolfgame like, at all.
if it isn't just Rel/Labby I'm gonna be confused as fuck.In post 1863, the worst wrote:I've never been much of a believer in bullet points.In post 1864, the worst wrote:I'm gonna have to pop in when I can and throw points around, bear with me
+Town points for tonality and entrance to the game but not a lot, vote's importantIn post 911, Ausuka wrote:Sure, if this is a WW reunion I have to get called opportunistic at least once right?
VOTE: Creature
I don't think she calls her scum buddy out for this shonky read. Pretty much ever. Competing with Mafia Month she did name a few posts from profii but it was mostly a "I like this" and "I think profii's town" kind of vibe; her other scumbuddy was Nero Cain who she scarcely interacted withIn post 952, Ausuka wrote:It really hasn't been very long since the game began. I don't get why you seem so convinced Creature's scum already. Also I don't think he really does the lurking thing as scum anymore.
Idk I would just be a little surprised if she picked her establishing deepwolf/heavenwolf to question on his reads like this so early
also there is zero self consciousness about parking her vote along with the wolfbuddy she's just quizzed which... seems contrary to scum!suka's mindset tbh
In post 1018, Ausuka wrote:
Like what is actually the point of this post? I feel like it's supposed to be game-related content but it contains nothing except Creature saying "I'm going to try and identify who's scum and town" which literally everyone tries to do. If it was as easy as just "finding scum" town would win every game.In post 226, Creature wrote:I'm gonna aim for the long game.
Find one scum per hell phase
One town per heaven phase
Given she's more burned out now than she was then (sorry if this is an outdated statement) I think scum!suka is a bit quieter when it comes to a d1 mislynch which will go thru. I'm not sure she's like "ye creature is the lynch now *INTERROGATES THE WORST*" before she kind of angles to position herself in a better spot to get towncredIn post 1019, Ausuka wrote:Actually I think the lynch is likely Creature anyways so not gonna post more about him for now.
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#wolfpostingIn post 112, LabRat01 wrote:honestly
I have never started an honest sentence with the worst "honestly"
Did you roll scum on me worstIn post 287, the worst wrote:honestly i called him "very town" because he pinged town to me consistently while he is posting, i'm cognisant of the fact that him sounding like that early is town indicative...and also i was biased by korina's posting later
i think that slot's reasonably obviously town, i'll be reevaluating it but i don't feel like i should be paranoid...? or doubting that people who sound like town in rvs might be tEh ScUmZ?
given she would have to know the wagon is partially scum motivated there's a lot more to gain from suddenly townreading Creature or admitting she's not sure if that makes sense? It felt like a legit sheep and I think she believed in the Creature wagon
actually just musing but I think in 14/2 we probably avoided that mislynch, I'm a little annoyed at myself for it. anyway gotta let bygones be bygonesIn post 1865, the worst wrote:her opening disdain towards {me, Dr.J} is probably worth analytical solvey mindset points as well She pushed me really well imo and the initial townread on volxen was also probably not super well researched, I was accountable to check it and make sure I was right (still think I am but go Ausuka d1)
I wanna say her reversal on my slot was during d2 when I was being heavily wolfcased as well which I mighttttt be misremembering bc fever happened during this game but if this happened she's townIn post 1866, the worst wrote:
I don't think this is Ausuka who's scum with Dr. J, really don't want to be wrong about this read tho so if this is becoming applied reasoning lmk.....In post 1603, Ausuka wrote:
Jekyll would've been in heaven by now if there's a "lack of rejection" from the entire thread. Just because people aren't screaming about how bad of a vote it is.In post 1599, the worst wrote:The lack of rejection from the rest of the thread makes me wanna not send Dr. J to heaven. I don't think he's a wolf but I think scum want him heaven'd
Eragon is null to me. Like I get he probably shouldn't be but like I seriously don't know what to read him on, lol. Most of his posts just look null to me. Maybe I should catch up on d1 after all.
kinda feeling her re-read of Dr. J with this kind of angle is probably from someone who didn't know Dr. J was a wolf before the flip if that makes senseIn post 1785, Ausuka wrote:
tbh I think it's partner indicative at least to the point of canceling out my earlier idea. The "this post has a bit of effort so it literally can't be scum" looks like it's explicitly trying to townread you rather than just TMI.In post 1784, the worst wrote:Do you think 388 is partner indicative or TMI cuz?
it's also a pretty dangerous w/w read for scum!suka to make and I feel like she probably talks herself out of it more than she makes it
yeah ok it was after d2 but it was still nice. this was literally the page after we re-read each other as TvT and unless she's a wolf with you? (but that's just a tinfoil of 2 people i think are town) there's really not a lot to gain from reinforcing town cohesionIn post 1820, Ausuka wrote:I can't not townread worst here I think.
I might be assigning this bonus points because I agree so strongly, my only associative was I had {Keyser, Dr. J} always containing exactly 1 scum because of the way d2 went down but for the most part that flip was like a kick in the guts. it was low info AND not the alignment we wanted and I don't think this was a Big Mood in the thread; just what I was feeling. (this is mid fever so if I misinterpreted thread mood that could be a thing :/)In post 1782, Ausuka wrote:
The flip itself doesn't change much for me other than generally losing confidence in my current reads as a whole. I never had any associations for anyone with Jekyll.In post 1781, Irrelephant11 wrote:In post 1779, Ausuka wrote:
I said that my read on him was null, didn't I? If I get a read on him when I'm reading the thread, I'll tell you.In post 1778, Irrelephant11 wrote:Ausuka did you ever settle on a read for eragon?
Okay, fine, how has the flip changed your reads?
this re re check of her read on me and possible associatives with Dr. J is interesting, I'm gonna think on this moreIn post 1783, Ausuka wrote:
Hmm actually maybe that comment was stupid.In post 388, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon - while I don't doubt scum could be WIFOMING there, I think thats much less unlikely than them leaving a wagon sit there.
Also, post 297 - it looks very town. I see plenty of town motivation there, it shows plenty of effort which I don't think scum is going to do if they can get by without it. Sort of similar to how someone in another game (town) literally made a chart with colour showing every vote
Furthermore, he kind of feels like he is enthusiastic. Maybe that sounds stupid and probably is, but just based on tone, I think he looks a lot more like town than scum.
I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me, but hmph, I'm probably reading too much into itIn post 1867, the worst wrote:Just picking random parts of Ausuka's iso I don't feel like this is scum!suka tho which is telling me that's a read I am swinging strongly towards : / I townread her pred a little as well so yeeeah this is a pretty comfy read to settle into
If I was being more politicalful I probably should have nullread Ausuka here without commenting and seen if she punched me for it (I think town!suka does but scum!suka probably chills with being third from the bottom)In post 1752, the worst wrote:
weightedIn post 1750, the worst wrote:{tw} 100%
{volxen} .....gulp..... 90%. If he's a wolf I'll be mad
{Keys} probably like 85%
{Era} maybe 80%
{Ausuka} probably 75%ish
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{Labby} ffffffifty%??? shaken read that is wolf by rand + PoE right now but I don't feel wrong on a townread
{Rel} looks SvS with Dr J is prime candidate for wolf sitting back watching town destroy itself nuanced thoughts so far look like they've come from other mouths, something like 60% wolf
this feels really gross in my playstyle tbh, I think I need to leave it to logical thinkers (ircher is brilliant at tiering and weighing his reads for example)
I think it's healthy for context tho. I'm not null on Ausuka, I think she's town. it's just if I am wrong on a townread it is probably her before you or Era. I just don't think I'm wrong on any currently.
but it felt kinda disingenuous so I over explained my read instead
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I'd rather let Era respond to Rel's case but I can be persuaded to flashwagon era as a worst case scenario
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ye no shit tbh
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I'll actually second this. his scumgame is deffo solid but his towngame is out of this worldIn post 2027, Keyser Söze wrote:The lynch is also a testament to Relly’s town-game too which is formidable.
ooOooOOoooOoOOOOO just had a spicy thought
VOTE: Keyser
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.....is that a thing? I need to reread the setup-
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to be prudent I would probably very seriously consider {Eragon, Volxen} tomorrow. Irrelephant's EoD was basically antispew towards those two slots
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this is a bad postEragon wrote:why volxen?
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I'm town. if you don't think I'm town case me, don't throw shade at me for shonky mechanical reasons.
in essence I'm starting to distrust my initial read on volxen and I think we need to flip him before the end of the game. heaven isn't safe for flipping to garner alignments anymore. we also cannot afford to send uncertain reads to heaven at this juncture.-
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I'm calling towncore {me, keyser, Ausuka} and on reflection I am loosely considering adding Labby's slot into it
we are sending someone from this list to heaven 100% of the time-
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Ausuka and I are not aligned with irrlepehant imo
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Heaven: meeee
Hell: volxen
Heaven: Keyser
Hell: Eragon
that should end the game and if it doesn't it's sudden death between Labby-slot/Ausuka which I think the lovely Keyser and I can solve on judgement day
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wrt "townread but not sending to heaven" we only have one scum left in the game. their entire agenda is to either get sent to heaven, or get through to judgement day against someone who they will not be lynched over
so either decide now if you want me, an obvious townie in heaven, or whether you want me alive in Judgement day so the townies in heaven don't even need to think about the lynch
hint: me in heaven is better :p-
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sorry but that logic more or less expires when there's only one scum left-
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In post 1997, Irrelephant11 wrote:So first thought is eragon's ISO is nearly as padded with fluff as it was in WW, and I feel like that's really obvious. Second thought is, where does his scumread on me come from?
Starting at the end of D2 for speed:
1410 - "I wish Irrelphant had double the posts for us to chew on." - Keyser
"hard agree with irrel"
1494 - "do you not think irrel is scum?"
1533 wherein he says "undereager to solve? No, I read Creature right! and also, I have more activity than you" (the second of which is objectively true but certainly not indicative of my alignment, given I was v/la until right before that post)
1550
-"on top of not liking their posts this game" (no clue what this is a reference to, except 1533)
-"they do not have the same form of transparant towni-ness that they were fond of in WW.
Like, did anyone ever even scumread them in WW?
they were extremly obvious through thoughts, reads, wagons, etc... and even from a scum perspective i knew that was always going to be town" (lol this is "I knew he was town as scum last game, and I don't think he's town this game!" which is honestly just silly, but more importantly, what is really being said here? This whole thing amounts to "I scumread him because I scumread him". Also yes, I played better in WW than here, which I readily admit, but I'm usually scumread more as town than as scum. Most of the time I'm lynchbait as town, actually, which Shoshin will vouch for)
1632 he just kind of says "no" to all of my points responding to 1550
no real reason hereIn post 1671, Eragon wrote:eh we cant really take the risk of having someone flip town today.
VOTE: Irrelephant
i think we need to solve TW/kesyer, but voting them today
if we lynch the scum, then its GG for us
if we lynch the town, then is basically GG for scum.
tl;dr its a lot riskier
1689 - "hot take: 3 of the doc J voters were scum", meh this is a reason I guess
I admit there's more here than I remembered, but it mostly amounts to "this is not as strong of play as in WW, and you're not really around"
I also still think eragon offering to vote creature D1 while later insisting his correct townread on creature is a read to townread him is scummy, as was the way he pushed Dr J's Heaven lynch lightly throughout without ever committing to getting on wagonIn post 2009, Irrelephant11 wrote:AusukaIn post 2010, Irrelephant11 wrote:I haven't checked how distanced/aligned they feel, but vca says she's the most likely partner, unless Doc J was the only scum on the D2 wagon or somethingIn post 2017, Irrelephant11 wrote:idk maybe ausuka can be town, my read there was mostly based on vca. fmpov one of volxen/ausuka has to be scum I think? but this can just be something useful post-my-flip
g2g, lynch eragon next hell phase if not this one
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Irrelephant's case on you was exceptionally wolfy and he was not pushing for your lynch (re-read and tell me if you disagree; it was about 80 levels lower than his usual scumhunting ability which is hard to tell from a bad wolfy post or scum theatre unfortunately. but realistically he was never swinging that lynch before EoD and I think he knew that)In post 2015, Irrelephant11 wrote:I mean let's start at [being on both mislynch wagons], which I know is a reason people are scumreading me but I have the advantage of knowing I'm town
pedit: I said before and I'll say it again, scum!me would be having way more fun this game. I don't have much WIM right now tbh, I mostly just feel obligated to share my reads in full before deadline because there won't be a twilight
pedit: I actually have to go afk for the last time before deadline in 5 minutes but reading that now
none of his reasons for wolfreading Ausuka are actually wolf indicative either tbf so I guess I can reconsider that heavy read
he badcases you then leaves for EoD saying to flip you next hell phase. at this point he probably knows like 80% of the time he's eating the lynch and flipping red; this doesn't get town!you mislynchedIn post 2017, Irrelephant11 wrote:idk maybe ausuka can be town, my read there was mostly based on vca. fmpov one of volxen/ausuka has to be scum I think? but this can just be something useful post-my-flip
g2g, lynch eragon next hell phase if not this one
signalling I was still there and not flashwagoningIn post 2018, the worst wrote:what would keyser söze do
dittoIn post 2022, the worst wrote:you're fine Labby. be safe. <3
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he's either turned on you at EoD because at a level 2 wolf level he needs to rapidly distance from his buddy, or at a level 3 level he wants to create WIFOM via a last minute false associative with a towny
I'm pretty sure this game gets a lot easier by removing that WIFOM before judgement day, I'm sorry if you're town-
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but liek, it was never a wolf 1 ploy to get you lynched in his stead. there wasn't enough time and he didn't really seem to fall for my offer to flashwagon you.-
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actually maybe he didIn post 2061, the worst wrote:but liek, it was never a wolf 1 ploy to get you lynched in his stead. there wasn't enough time and he didn't really seem to fall for my offer to flashwagon you.
I have no idea how to read scumrelephant's mind and I'm circular logicking myself into oblivion-
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just to hop back here I'm gonna keep thinking on this plan but we basically wanna nuke WIFOM slots that are gonna be a trainwreck to solve in F2In post 2049, the worst wrote:Heaven: meeee
Hell: volxen
Heaven: Keyser
Hell: Eragon
that should end the game and if it doesn't it's sudden death between Labby-slot/Ausuka which I think the lovely Keyser and I can solve on judgement day
I think this probably never comes to that tho
we want to heaven obvtown slots at this point, just avoid any slot with scum equity.
if we can reach a duo that can be organically read by the martyrs we'll be in a way better situation than random lynching for a 50% chance of winning because we can't engage with those slots anymore-
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starting to think it's better to leave volxen for judgement as well tbh, I think rel's early play on him is somewhat pocket indicative and his float towards the gravity of Keyser's case on me d2 probably still comes from town as well as scum
I trust my townread on him quite a lot less but that doesn't mean he's a wolf just means I need to effort this more
This is making me trust ausuka more-
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- reads heavily unaligned with both flipped scum. the more i'm thinking about it: if irrelephant planned to look like he was pocketing him d1 and then he decided to openwolf like an absolute scumlord to blast his partner into heaven d2 then he basically deserves the game, the rapid transitions in the quality and integrity of his scumplay would be absolutely masterful and i'm not sure my paranoia actually extends this far :/ he's probably just town like 90% of the time here.Keyser Söze
- i think there's a worst case scenario where ausuka is a wolf but it's a worst case scenario. it probably relies on irrelephant doing nothing to position his partner as town; relying on me to do it for him; missing my case on her and attempting to position her as scum very close to his own lynch before flying off and trying to hardcase her perceived scumbuddy instead. actually this is less bizarrely unlikely than i originally thought and i'm gonna re-sort this readslist after i'm done with this sorting of itAusuka
- every time i ISO dive labby i come back to town. like i said yday her worst position on my read list has been wolf via POE and i think per the last few days' posting + rep-out her internal struggle between trying to solve this game and telling us all to gtfo is probably coming from a feeling of being crippled by the POE gamestate more than being correctly POE'd wolf.LabRat01
- asdfghjkl;' same as labby i keep feeling bad every time i scumread eragon in a vacuum but irrelephant's antispew makes me want this slot flipped before judgement dayEragon
- needs to come play more and i need to re-evaluate thisvolxen
i think some d1/d2 stuff is probably still highly town indicative i guess
ok flip labby and ausuka in this list-
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it probably shouldn't give you Dr. J vibes manIn post 2065, Keyser Söze wrote:I agree that we shouldn’t be self-voting/wagoning here.
It simply gives me Dr J vibes. I rather the whys and how’s be presented by each player.
we're at the boiling point and we can't afford to resort to lazy plays the way we did on d2. we need bold plays and bold wagons (just shouldn't L-1 anyone unless they're selfvoting, which I was hoping you'd identify with my opening play here >:c)
we also need to spook the shit out of slots we feel are scum
wrt eragon:-
1. thoughts on irrelephant's eod push on him? which was incredibly obviously wolfy
2. thoughts on eragon's immediate surrender to pressure + vote on me today?
incidentally i also wonder why he stopped posting when i raised the possibility of him being s/s with rel but eh, that's not a conversation point so much as a curiosity-
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on this as well: nobody outside of you and I should be lynched for heaven today.In post 2067, the worst wrote:we're at the boiling point
i love taking risks as much as the next person, but Hell phases are for risk-taking at this point.-
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That's OK, net of all things I'm kinda predisposed towards townreading you here (that's a problem in itself which I think you can probably appreciate zzzz) it's just there's a lot of spice following the fact we nailed and lynched Irrelephant who is Good Scum
does you not being heavy town to me impact your read on my alignment? => why/why not?-
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That's exactly the mind melt phase I'm in right now. his read of you was either TMI or partner indicative but one thing I really liked from you in retrospect was your bite back. But the more I think about it that's something scum!rrelephant could have easily coached you through to come off as anti-aligned-
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Just floating through your ISO and god you're good
okay one question: why did you never vote rel until you L-1'd him?-
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Off wagon wolf is usually Eragon
Keysssss you should selfvote-
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