Open 738: Scumchat

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Hi o/

Lcp

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

No, it's a reference to one of my favourite shows, dads army

Is there anything majorly different between road to rome and here, apart from players being more experienced? Like, anything commonly done in R2R not done here or vice versa? This is my first game outside it

Lcp

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Looks like we want to lynch scum on even days (heaven), while lynching town on odd days (hell). Since our aim changes between days that makes it pretty difficult

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Basically if town sees someone who is good at lynching scum but on even days that would be indicative of scum?

So the easiest way to win this would seem actually to appear to be town on even days (they will lynch us and send us to heaven) and odd says (they will not lynch us and not send us to hell)

Basically just the same as a regular game now that I think of it
Lc

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

OH GOD NO
WHY
WHY ME

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Ok, well, my scumplay is really weak.
I'm gonna try to mimic my townplay super hard.
If it backfires, sorry guys.

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I kinda think Labrat could be an easy push today

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Starting to think that he's less of an easy push.
I'm trying to think who could be easy to push.

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Shit, I just realized that Creature is in the game.
We'd need to either stage a ML on him before he obv!towns or just give up on trying to ML him.

So far, it seems like Carmen, Volxen, tw are the easiest pushes to make.
I kinda don't wanna gun for a marytr end-game situation, however, that seems like it may be the best option considering who we have playing.

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I'm gonna start to try to throw doubt on Creature before he obv!towns, hopefully to get a ML on him.
Also wanna try to create doubt on Lab.

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Yea, that's why my plan this game to mimic my play in stack the deck (as Vex), and try to obv!town myself hardcore and then coast to endgame.
I think already I'm doing a decent job, which means that how to read me will be changing hardcore after this game.

I know where my weaknesses as scum fall, and I'll try to compensate for them, (if not, LCPL certainly can compensate).

I think still, apart from trying to obv!town, we need to try to force one or two mislynches so town can keep off of us. If not, try to create as much doubt and suspicion around players so we can just hide in the chaos.

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I'm not really sure which one I'm leaning more towards.

-Kor (to both)

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

No, it's a reference to one of my favourite shows, dads army

Is there anything majorly different between road to rome and here, apart from players being more experienced? Like, anything commonly done in R2R not done here or vice versa? This is my first game outside it

Lcp

I also second what Irrel said, only major difference is players knowing each other better and unpredictability of said players.
Really, the only player who could know my meta is Irrel, (because Stack The Deck), however, it'll be unreliable because I'm gonna try to hyper-mask my scum-meta. I also need to play more confidently as scum in general.

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Actually, tw as well.

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Noted.
Do you think its a bit too early to put TW at L-1?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I'm gonna keep trying to make Lab tilt.


-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

My goal of getting him to tilt as well, (for anyone wondering), is so if he angrily posts something, I can:
1) Use it against him and try to spin his posts so it looks like he's scummy
2) Try to prove his unfounded anger isn't pro-town
3) Get him to screw up in his logic

I'm also having a bit too much fun with this lol

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

We don't have a night kill, correct?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I'll be mostly AFK today, I'll be around tomorrow.
-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I think we have enough lynches in order to win the game if we town it up.
Lab is most likely today, followed by Volxen. Then probably Soze if TW can town it up.
3v3 judgement day, and if we’ve all towned it up, someone scummy gets sent to hell and we win.

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Actually, thinking about it, we could force Soze ML today/d3, if we wanna gambit it
Sending Volxen to heaven benefits scum more so than town, so why would Soze say that unless he’s scum?

Otherwise, we could play it safe and let Volxen be the d2 lynch.

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I'm trying to get creature lynched and TW seems super easy to manipulate

So hopefully he'll get us into heaven tomorrow

We can mislynch labrat and tw looks like he will lead on Keyser d3

But obviously that can change
Lcp

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Fair enough

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I kind of feel like pushing that Keyser is a counter wagon for creature helping to show that he is scum, but then I notice my two partners are on him :/

If the new replacement for Carmen votes for Keyser then would it make sense to do so considering it would be then 3 votes, instead of 2?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I didn't realize lefty got replaced welcome

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

sending volxen to heaven sounds good considering his reads

that sounds like a plan

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I agree with Volxen d2, if that's what you're saying.

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I'd personally like {Volxen, Eragon} in heaven, with {Creature, Lab} in hell.
I know Lab has made some seriously scummy posts before too, and Creature is an easy push atm.

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Thinking about it:
Creature ML today, any townie tomorrow, any ML d3 leads into judgement day.
If we go for that, I want someone like TW in heaven, someone tring us, or someone who'll pick someone like Lab or Soze.

-Kor

Pedit: no idea.

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

FUCK YES
I’M SO GLAD WE GOT CREATURE HANGED D1
If we can get ourselves in heaven, we should be golden.

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Irrelevant is kind of being townread as well so that might work

But it's risky

Who would be the most dangerous person (i.e person that we should get rid of by proposing they be sent to heaven)?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Not sure how they came to the conclusion I should be lynched... but I won't complain

Its a bit audacious but should I say that irrel should be lynched tomorrow? When they see my flip they should suspect irrel less. Maybe players are expected to bus in central park?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

it will be so much fun when keyser and tw find they are actually tvt

I'd lynch keyser tomorrow assume I'm lynched. it shouldn't be hard
just sheep tw

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I don't think the players in this game are predictable enough for one choice to be very optimal and it might be better to go with the flow here.

Was the 300000 word catchup real, Jekyll?

Yea but I’ve abandoned it.
Too much to catchup on from like 50+ pages after being V/LA for personal reasons, then having surgery/procedure, then getting sick on top of that.

If I wasb’t hydraing, I’d have just replaced out, ngl.

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Feel like calling out tw on 1391 is good:
He wants us around so we can find scum d3, however, wouldn’t it be better for us to get sent to heaven so if we ml d3, we just vote out scum, then autowin the game?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

-Kor ^

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

If I'm to going to heaven I think you'll have to vote for me irrelephant

Or I can self-vote at deadline...?

Anyway, you're doing well, when I flip scum Keyser definitely will look bad, and since he will flip town the worst is a potential day 5 lynch

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

In heaven?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Yes... Albeit risky to be all on a wagon
By the next phase we can force any lynch and basically quicklynch town to win :think:


That's definitely fine by me
I don't mind, do what you think is best, irrel

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Yep, it looks fine

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Keysers last post sounds like he knows my flip
Might help get him lynched

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Do or no?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Do I do it or not? Sorry, phone spelling

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Here's a thought:

If it looks like I'm going down, I'll "accidentally" post itt something that belongs in the scumchat as a way to fakespew ausuka town

Something like

"Yeah, looks like I'm going down . I think it probably sets us up well enough, though? I agree you should probably send him to Heaven if you can to get him out of the thread, and Ausuka/labrat both seem pretty lynchable for the next hell phase. but also if you see the opportunity to get to Heaven, take the win! Oh and I can still post here, right? I'll help you write cases if you need"

Followed by another post:
"lol"

It would "spew" labrat/ausuka town and potentially set up enough confusion for ausuka to make it to heaven?
But I won't do it if you guys think it's too WIFOMy

I feel that its definitely sensible
but doesn't that risk a reroll by the mod?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I think akusas doing fine ATM

Even if you get lynched irrel I feel laboratory gets lynches next hell phase afterwards (d5) probably volx next heaven (d4)

Best case scenario, akusa gets lynched next heaven,

2/3 of us need to be sent to heaven or hell or else a judgement day may also decide if we win or not


@irrel, I suggest you do the same with laboratory as you did with me
Townread but then post doubtful posts in case of a scumflip as someone else said. It will look bad for labrat

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

But then that would invalidate what you suggested we do... so if that's against the rules, then maybe semi-townread him, if not, do what you suggested?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I feel like laboratory can probably be pretty lynchable, I'd try and get him lynched as your scumbuddy, irrel?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Yep that's fine, if you are sure you are going to be lynched

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Hmm, what about trying to push asuka before you do it, then post it tomorrow?

That way it would definitely clear asuka if I got it right

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I'm not that good at town tbh

Korina is better. Maybe he can help more.

You're doing well so far, good job!

I'd advise against 'celebrating' the lynch, that looks suspicious iirc. But definitely appear confident if you can even if you aren't really, it will help

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volxen is so obv!scum its too bad he's town